M14 / M1A

Here is an M1A/M305/M14 scope mount you should check out. I will prob be buying one myself soon.

[link to www.m14.ca]

What scope were you thinking of mounting? I like this one:

[link to www.bushnell.com]


Norinco M305

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It's not so bad unless you're on the smaller side. It just depends on what your using it for. Close range or long range. In a house clearing scenario would I use it? Not unless I absolutely HAD to. That .308 would just devastate dry wall and you don't know what's on the other side after all. Could be friend or foe. And that's risky. Would I use it "block by block" and "roof top by roof top"? 100% yes. That's why I suggest the socom 16. Because you can do all that and still use it inside a building in a pinch. If you absolutely had too. Mix a socom 16 in a sage EBR chassis and you get very little muzzle rise...

If you're out on open terrain than go with the longer version by all means.

Like a was saying different tools for different jobs.

Those m1a receivers are forged in Brazil. Brazilian forging is pretty damn great from what I hear.My m1a's are SOUND rifles.

You ever look into AR 9mm's? Those are super fun. Shot one suppressed once. Sounded like a paint ball gun!

Look into the 300 blackout AR too. Suppressed it's the most quiet rifle you can own. A hybrid 556/7.62 round. Like an AR mated with an AK. You can hear the buffer moving in the buffer tube...And it uses an ak bullet so you know it's gonna suck if you get hit by it. DOA. Game over. Lol

You ready for a wild card op? Just as a side bar, look into a PTR-91 GI model HK clone.

They're a pinch over 1k and are fucking deadly accurate and reliable.

Out of the box you'll be hitting shit with ease at 100-200 yards.

And mags are super cheap so you can buy dozens and dozens and you won't crush your bank account. The GI model is their top tier model and at 1k you're getting a SOLID rifle for your money and it's built buy Americans.

I live in a state that just went full retard on banning guns after the last string of psycho dickweed mass shootings so the PTR 91 was banned and FUCK I wish I had gotten ahold of one(that and a scar). My friend got one of the last Ptr-91 rifles made in the state of CT before they packed up and headed south and I got to shoot it and boy was I super impressed. I'd read some mixed stuff about those rifles but after spending a day with them I decided that I will buy one one day when I move to a free state. They're great.

Felt like I was on Safari in the Rhodesian army. Lol

I like how low the casm mount is but i would miss my iron sight. I'm going to go with the lowest mount that will let me use my irons.

I like fixed power scopes like the one you linked. I am afraid, that if something popped up close, and all I had was 10x and no irons that I would miss my shot. Maybe that could be avoided with practice? I like the burris here

[link to burrisoptics.com]

if i go with a scout concept, otherwise a fixed 6x maybe to start, or a 10x like you linked if i can get more comfortable with the idea.

I like the fixed 10X mildot because with a little knowledge of simple trigonometry and that reticle with that magnification it allows you to do on the fly range estimations, as well as holdovers but it also has nice turrets to dial it in with as well.

Here is the philosophical question you have to ask yourself; does the completed build's qualities compliment the inherit traits of the basic system?

An M-14 will never be a semi auto sub MOA rifle but in the DMR role it performs well because those build qualities compliment the basic system's inherit traits.

The Sub MOA battle rifle is a Unicorn.

It is possible, but entirely impractical.

Unless, you shoot only handloads crafted for your rifle, and mill a tight chamber which isn't really battle worthy.

A battle rifle is perfectly acceptable with 4 MOA accuracy, provided the shooter does his part.

You want sub MOA accuracy?

Get a bolt gun.

You can turn the gas off.

The Sub MOA battle rifle is a Unicorn.

It is possible, but entirely impractical.

Unless, you shoot only handloads crafted for your rifle, and mill a tight chamber which isn't really battle worthy.

A battle rifle is perfectly acceptable with 4 MOA accuracy, provided the shooter does his part.

You want sub MOA accuracy?

Get a bolt gun.

I wasn't really sure what to expect response wise on this thread but there are a few of you guys lurking around with good practical advice and I appreciate it. Next week I will post some pics of what I end up with.

Agree with you guys though, sub moa will require a bolt action, but turning off the gas is a nifty little step in the right direction. An adjustable gas block is def in the cards.

Thanks for all the convo, I need to hit the hay.

Would a decent compromise be teh
Ruger Mini-30?

The AK is good for it's purpose. It was meant to be used by poorly trained conscript soldiers entering combat at close range from the armored personnel carriers of the Soviet mechanized army. Then and now the Russians have virtually no conventional infantry.

The AK has poor accuracy by any standard. BY ANY STANDARD. It's caliber is lousy in that it displays poor accuracy, poor trajectory, poor penetration, and poor lethality.

Beyond 200 yards an iron sighted AK can barely hit a car door. This is due to it's sloppy typical build, terrible sights, short barrel, less than great ballistics, and the fact that in general shots beyond 200 yards are difficult for those not skilled in making them...such as poorly trained spray and pray storm troopers of the Soviet block.

After saying all that I must admit to liking the AK for what it is. Still, I'd prefer an FAL, M1, M14, or even a Ruger mini 14, M4, or any of several other rifles.

if you butt stroke someone with a ar, your going to get your ass kicked by one pissed off dude. do that with a m1a1 and you'll crush their skull.

True, but the steel butt plate of the M1A adds a lot of weight. What's cool is that you can get a polymer one put out by a company that's called Butt-Lite that reduces the rifle weight by a half pound. It's nice to have options.