Lesbian Couple Asks Surrogate to Abort Baby After Learning She Had Down Syndrome

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I agree. It would be very selfish to bring a child into the world to suffer.

Because people with Downs can't function like normal people.

The comments on this thread are pretty representative of the bible-thumping non-learners that seek to criminalize abortion and create a world full of humans of sub-par genetics and intelligence.

Let's all be HAPPY.

Because HAPPINESS is what we should all be striving for as a species.

Not intelligence, reason or social advancement, but unadulterated HAPPINESS - regardless of the genetic or social cost.

Please.

These people with Down's are so happy because they lack the intellectual reasoning capacity for any other state of being.

This is not something that a reasonable society should be striving for or promoting.

I'm not saying we should terminate all Down's pregnancies or round these people up and off them, but to imply that their genetic deficiency is something to be celebrated is disgusting and detrimental not just to society but to our species as a whole.

I am sure that this surrogate signed legal contracts and accepted payment in exchange for renting out her womb and being used as nothing but a piece of paid-for breeding chattel.

I am equally confident that this woman who thinks so little of herself that she would rent her body out as an incubator for strangers had no qualms cashing checks and spending the money she was paid for her undignified service as a brood mare.

To come in at this point and get all holier than thou and to pretend to have some kind of moral leg to stand on when she is participating in a process that is brought into being not by morality but through the very intelligence and reason she is showing contempt for with her attention whoring is juvenile and lamentable.

If she was uncomfortable being asked to abort a genetically compromised fetus, she should never have undertaken the contract in the first place.

At this point, if she REFUSES to do what she agreed to do, she should be 100% legally, morally and financially responsible for the damaged child she insists upon bringing into the world. Additionally, she should be financially responsible to the lesbian couple in question for all of their medical costs that they incurred paying for the surrogacy (including IVF and OB-GYN fees, as well as legal fees and any other damages up to and including punitive damages for intentional infliction of emotional distress for refusing to uphold her end of their legally binding contract.)

Notice I don't say she should be legally compelled to terminate or forced to undergo an abortion against her will.

Unlike so-called 'pro-lifers' I am all about reproductive freedom and don't think that a woman should EVER be physically forced to gestate or abort against her will.

However, I don't think that a morally bankrupt PAID surrogate should be able to hold legal parents hostage.

If she didn't want to be in a position to have to abort a genetic defect, she should never have agreed to the surrogacy and taken these women's money.

Frankly, I think that as surrogacy becomes more and more mainstream, we are going to have to enact federal laws with regard to the procedures that protect all parties involved, perhaps even up to the point of legislating criminal penalties for surrogates who refuse to comply with the terms of their contracts.

Remember, no one is FORCED to become a surrogate. It a choice that some women make, and they are generally compensated very generously for what they choose to do. No one forces them to sign agreements that conflict with their personal stance on abortion. If they choose to make these agreements, they need to follow through with them to the letter or be held accountable.

In cases of surrogacy, when women are PAID to be nothing but a walking incubator and are okay with that status, they forfeit the right to get all indignant when they are treated as such.

Maybe a test will be developed so that the homosexual perversion can be detected in the womb and parents can abort these mistakes of nature, too.

That is one of the only reasons I think abortion should happen.

how many people with Down's do you personally know?

and have you known them for many years?


They are most likely a lot happier than most people. Definitely happier than those who wish to exterminate them.

There is a waiting list for people hoping to adopt Down Syndrome babies, because they are such special people. The truth is that they are happier and have a better quality of life than us 'normal' people.

When a child's not in pain and there are people happy to take them, what kind of monster kills the child????

There is a waiting list for people hoping to adopt Down Syndrome babies, because they are such special people. The truth is that they are happier and have a better quality of life than us 'normal' people.

When a child's not in pain and there are people happy to take them, what kind of monster kills the child????

Yes there is a waiting list . and it's very long.


My grandson who is DS is learning to play the violin.

He loves music and books. He's a happy little dude and everywhere we go people gush over him.


I wonder if the lesbians parents would have aborted them if had they known they were birthing lesbians ?

they most certainly are absolute joys to be around. Im sickend by the responses on this thread. sickened.

I agree. It would be very selfish to bring a child into the world to suffer.

The comments on this thread are pretty representative of the bible-thumping non-learners that seek to criminalize abortion and create a world full of humans of sub-par genetics and intelligence.

Let's all be HAPPY.

Because HAPPINESS is what we should all be striving for as a species.

Not intelligence, reason or social advancement, but unadulterated HAPPINESS - regardless of the genetic or social cost.

it is depressing to realize that Downies are smarter than many who push the little thingies on their keyboards here.

This is a rational idea....unless a functional christian family steps up to the plate and offers to adopt the
infant when it is born

Thanks for the red for my 'disgusting' comment about Down's babies.

I don't think I said anything disgusting at all, only the absolute truth.

As for people who believe that people who use IVF or surrogacy to reproduce should have to 'take what they get' with regards to their offspring, welcome to the future baby.

There's no viable reason to deliberated inject genetically deficient humans into the gene pool.

Particularly if you don't want to deal with a lifetime of being a caregiver for someone who has the mental capacity of a slow 12 year old for their entire life.

This is not cruel, this is reality.

We are creating a society where we have to spend more to care for our disabled and infirm than those capable of footing the bill can manage.

Our 'healthcare crisis'?

It's not due to whole healthy people reproducing and living their lives as such, it's due to the fact that we have created a society of people dependent upon medical intervention for their very survival, and there is a huge percentage of the populous who sees nothing improper or wrong with adding to that demographic - of creating a future of people genetically incapable of sustaining themselves.

Is that rational?

There is nothing to be celebrated in genetic deficiency or the infusion of our collective gene pool with substandard, sub-par, damaged genes that the process of natural selection would have weeded out without humanity's short-sighted medical intervention.

Be realistic for a second.

Down's Syndrome is not about a cheery smile and perpetual placation.

It is a real and often devastating medical condition fraught with countless very painful and very real complications that vary in degree and which I wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy, let alone my own beloved child.

Do you not think that these people would prefer a life in which they were not chronically disable and disadvantaged as opposed to the rest of the population - in which they need handlers and constant care and see the rest of humanity living lives of normalcy?

You know what they say - ignorance is bliss.

People with lobotomies are generally happier than those without, but I certainly wouldn't want to sign up for one.

Would you?

No one is saying that these people who are burdened with Down's don't often have sweet, enduring spirits and aren't often a joy to be around. What we are saying is why add to humanity's torment and condemn a sentient child to a lifetime of disability if you have it within your power not to.

Thanks for the red for my 'disgusting' comment about Down's babies.

I don't think I said anything disgusting at all, only the absolute truth.

As for people who believe that people who use IVF or surrogacy to reproduce should have to 'take what they get' with regards to their offspring, welcome to the future baby.

There's no viable reason to deliberated inject genetically deficient humans into the gene pool.

Particularly if you don't want to deal with a lifetime of being a caregiver for someone who has the mental capacity of a slow 12 year old for their entire life.

This is not cruel, this is reality.

We are creating a society where we have to spend more to care for our disabled and infirm than those capable of footing the bill can manage.

Our 'healthcare crisis'?

It's not due to whole healthy people reproducing and living their lives as such, it's due to the fact that we have created a society of people dependent upon medical intervention for their very survival, and there is a huge percentage of the populous who sees nothing improper or wrong with adding to that demographic - of creating a future of people genetically incapable of sustaining themselves.

Is that rational?

There is nothing to be celebrated in genetic deficiency or the infusion of our collective gene pool with substandard, sub-par, damaged genes that the process of natural selection would have weeded out without humanity's short-sighted medical intervention.

Be realistic for a second.

Down's Syndrome is not about a cheery smile and perpetual placation.

It is a real and often devastating medical condition fraught with countless very painful and very real complications that vary in degree and which I wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy, let alone my own beloved child.

Do you not think that these people would prefer a life in which they were not chronically disable and disadvantaged as opposed to the rest of the population - in which they need handlers and constant care and see the rest of humanity living lives of normalcy?

You know what they say - ignorance is bliss.

People with lobotomies are generally happier than those without, but I certainly wouldn't want to sign up for one.

Would you?

No one is saying that these people who are burdened with Down's don't often have sweet, enduring spirits and aren't often a joy to be around. What we are saying is why add to humanity's torment and condemn a sentient child to a lifetime of disability if you have it within your power not to.

how many people with Down's do you personally know?

and have you known them for many years?


They are most likely a lot happier than most people. Definitely happier than those who wish to exterminate them.

Of course you wouldn’t-----you think your skewed and corrupted version of “truth” is all that there should be.

Somehow I doubt you even really know much about/have experience with people with downs syndrome or any other type of disability......your whole stance is they don’t deserve to live.

And I have no doubt (having read many of your posts in other threads) that if given the ability or power you would extend that mentality to how many others EM18966? Christians, pro-lifers, the elderly? Anyone who doesn’t agree with you or think like you? Anyone with any type of disability? Where exactly is the line for you?

I hope and pray often that people like you never gain positions of power or authority-----you are far more dangerous to society than any person with downs syndrome ever possibly could be.