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ACA Thanks OBAMA!!!!!!!!

 
davvi

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Kill the middle class, Kill small business.

He promised change.

As much as i hate the idea universal coverage it would be far better than this. That way it would be equal.

This will bleed to death the people hurting the most.

I also gave up on the idea that our two parties care about the US anymore and despise them equally the Democrats OWN this abomination and should be held accountable for it.

Oh and Judge Roberts(oddly enough, or was it that odd?)


America is be purposefully dismantled before our very eyes and the vast majority of Americans don't even see it.
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It will NOT be equal, the minorities and welfare queens who vote to keep these damn democraps in office will always get better care than the tax-payers who pay for it all.

Universal care is bankrupting Europe what the hell do you think it will do here?

They want you to want universal care and have control over that part of your life too.
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09/04/2014 08:12 PM
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Just got my new premiums for health insurance. A little background first:

- Self Employed
- Wife and 2 boys ages 13 & 16
- Wife and I are in late 40's
- No diseases, we do not take any medications either
- $5,000 deductable old policy

We were paying $620.00/month, Renewal $1,200/month!!!!!!!!!!!! Who in Gods name can afford to pay $14,400 per year for healthcare?????????????

New plan to get the pricing down, new deductable $12,700 per year for the family. We each get 3 doctors visits per year.

All medications are out of pocket until the $4,500 per individual is met or the $12,700 total.

I LOVE TO PAY MORE FOR LESS, NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone else have any horror stories??????? I hope this happens to a lot more of us prior to the mid-term elections.

The next Congress should defund this abortion and return healthcare back to the private sector completely.
 Quoting: Scottish Indian


No Obama care here. In business 35 years as 50% owners. Healthy 49 - 53 year olds ,active parents. Healthy, 19 year old and 14 year old...........Medical Mutual 2200.00 per month Go figure that one ??
Anonymous Coward
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09/04/2014 08:13 PM
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It is a potent cancer prevention...

1000 IU for every 25lbs of bodyweigh...
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I've been told at that kind of dosage, D3 can be toxic
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62289711


Proven wrong.
 Quoting: AlcoholicAlien


30 minutes in the bright sun without a shirt on and in shorts will net you about 20,000 IU
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Yup. Not during the winter though so that's why I suggusted 5,000 IU a day for most adults during "school year".
Anonymous Coward
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09/04/2014 08:14 PM
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Just don't pay. Pay for health care in cash. Be your own insurance.
 Quoting: Bear Drinker


You will have to pay the tax on your 1040 which is 2% of your income I think. Still loads cheaper usually.
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But ONLY if you have a refund coming!

for people who had insurance at some point during the year, If you do owe a penalty, it will be withheld from your 2014 tax refund. If the payment is not made, the IRS can withhold the amount from any future tax refunds, with an accrued interest of approximately 3 percent. However, the IRS cannot impose liens, levies or criminal penalties for failure to pay the penalty.

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So, just adjust your withholding so as not to be getting a refund and your penalty amounts to absolutely NOTHING!
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09/04/2014 08:16 PM
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Kill the middle class, Kill small business.

He promised change.

As much as i hate the idea universal coverage it would be far better than this. That way it would be equal.

This will bleed to death the people hurting the most.

I also gave up on the idea that our two parties care about the US anymore and despise them equally the Democrats OWN this abomination and should be held accountable for it.

Oh and Judge Roberts(oddly enough, or was it that odd?)


America is be purposefully dismantled before our very eyes and the vast majority of Americans don't even see it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49173534


It will NOT be equal, the minorities and welfare queens who vote to keep these damn democraps in office will always get better care than the tax-payers who pay for it all.

Universal care is bankrupting Europe what the hell do you think it will do here?

They want you to want universal care and have control over that part of your life too.
 Quoting: davvi


I think both options are unsustainable but if I had to choose it would be single payer only because what we have now is going to destroy the middle class and small businesses. There will be nothing left and the incentive to work will be gone as medical insurance will be you entire paycheck, if you can even get a job.

This system is tailor made to kill our economy.

Honestly I think both parties tipped their hands when Judge Roberts bent over backwards to find a way to uphold the ACA.

He actually found a way to keep it that Obama and the Dems could figure out.

Who is going to save us? The republicans? They are fake opposition in my mind and any rational person should be able to see that now.

True Tea Party candidates(Libertarians) but it would require a third party President.

We are screwed.
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09/04/2014 08:22 PM
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I just got laid off so I know I can't pay. I am working poor, too. Let the IRS take the fine out of my federal refund. I can't afford anything right now.
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09/04/2014 08:23 PM
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Just got my new premiums for health insurance. A little background first:

- Self Employed
- Wife and 2 boys ages 13 & 16
- Wife and I are in late 40's
- No diseases, we do not take any medications either
- $5,000 deductable old policy

We were paying $620.00/month, Renewal $1,200/month!!!!!!!!!!!! Who in Gods name can afford to pay $14,400 per year for healthcare?????????????

New plan to get the pricing down, new deductable $12,700 per year for the family. We each get 3 doctors visits per year.

All medications are out of pocket until the $4,500 per individual is met or the $12,700 total.

I LOVE TO PAY MORE FOR LESS, NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone else have any horror stories??????? I hope this happens to a lot more of us prior to the mid-term elections.

The next Congress should defund this abortion and return healthcare back to the private sector completely.
 Quoting: Scottish Indian

We need to Impeach this Criminal!!!!!!

bumpbumpbumpclappabumpbumpbump
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09/04/2014 08:26 PM
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Just don't pay. Pay for health care in cash. Be your own insurance.
 Quoting: Bear Drinker


yes, just go to any ER and babble in some undecipherable foreign language and point to where it hurts. They MUST treat you. Scribble your name on some papers and just walk out after treatment.

The dam illegal aliens do it all the time.
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09/04/2014 08:28 PM
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Just got my new premiums for health insurance. A little background first:

- Self Employed
- Wife and 2 boys ages 13 & 16
- Wife and I are in late 40's
- No diseases, we do not take any medications either
- $5,000 deductable old policy

We were paying $620.00/month, Renewal $1,200/month!!!!!!!!!!!! Who in Gods name can afford to pay $14,400 per year for healthcare?????????????

New plan to get the pricing down, new deductable $12,700 per year for the family. We each get 3 doctors visits per year.

All medications are out of pocket until the $4,500 per individual is met or the $12,700 total.

I LOVE TO PAY MORE FOR LESS, NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone else have any horror stories??????? I hope this happens to a lot more of us prior to the mid-term elections.

The next Congress should defund this abortion and return healthcare back to the private sector completely.
 Quoting: Scottish Indian

We need to Impeach this Criminal!!!!!!

bumpbumpbumpclappabumpbumpbump
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19800101


and all the other criminals who supported this.
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09/04/2014 08:31 PM
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Just don't pay. Pay for health care in cash. Be your own insurance.
 Quoting: Bear Drinker


yes, just go to any ER and babble in some undecipherable foreign language and point to where it hurts. They MUST treat you. Scribble your name on some papers and just walk out after treatment.

The dam illegal aliens do it all the time.
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hesright
GodManMyth

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09/04/2014 08:34 PM
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I'm getting tired of everyone blaming Barry the bagman Obama ...The ACA was written by that dual citizen demonic POS ezekiel emanuel brother of Rahm and they are just doing the bidding of their masters. Put the blame where it truly belongs and watch this every time you want to place the blame on the bought and paid for sociopaths in DC..

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09/04/2014 08:48 PM

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This is why no one has any damn money to spend. How can you afford to go out to dinner if you are paying this much for health insurance???

Am I the only one who is going through this? WTF
 Quoting: Scottish Indian


non-sense don't you know we are all hoarding our money.
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09/04/2014 08:51 PM
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Free healthcare they just neglected to mention that it's free for illegals and worthless eaters while the working class foots the bill.

Hows that change working out for you?
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09/04/2014 09:03 PM
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This was 100% a democrat bill. They have tried for years

Not one single republican voted for this bullshit. Remember that you assholes who always get on here and say there is no difference between republicans and democrats.

There is a solution, vote out democrats at all costs. Support candidate that stand for repeal and or defunding.
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09/04/2014 09:07 PM
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Just got my new premiums for health insurance. A little background first:

- Self Employed
- Wife and 2 boys ages 13 & 16
- Wife and I are in late 40's
- No diseases, we do not take any medications either
- $5,000 deductable old policy

We were paying $620.00/month, Renewal $1,200/month!!!!!!!!!!!! Who in Gods name can afford to pay $14,400 per year for healthcare?????????????

New plan to get the pricing down, new deductable $12,700 per year for the family. We each get 3 doctors visits per year.

All medications are out of pocket until the $4,500 per individual is met or the $12,700 total.

I LOVE TO PAY MORE FOR LESS, NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone else have any horror stories??????? I hope this happens to a lot more of us prior to the mid-term elections.

The next Congress should defund this abortion and return healthcare back to the private sector completely.
 Quoting: Scottish Indian


Same quote I got,$24,000+ a year counting deductible and no 100% coverage.

Make sure you read the fine print close, lot of the plans don't cover prescriptions till the deductible is filled. Plus they only have to cover 1 drug in each category, so if you have a prescription already there is a very good chance it won't be covered. My accountant said we could divorce to save because of my glaucoma prescription, it will save us over $6000 a year. I'm not doing it, I'll bank the cash and take my chances. I increased my medical coverage on our auto insurance just incase of an accident.
 Quoting: Chrit


If you divorce to pay less in medical insurance, you may end up in a higher tax bracket. 25% is a lot higher taxes than 15%. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Who is John Galt?
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09/04/2014 09:20 PM

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Payment for our insurance b4 ACA, $160.00 every two weeks. Coupled with a $25.00 dollar copay for Dr.s visits and medicine. No deductible.
After ACA. $280.00 every 2 weeks. No more copay, A $6,000.00 dollar deductible, annually, per person. For ALL Dr.s visits, and medication.The wife and I have two children. I have already had to stop taking a medication that went from a $25.00 copay every month . To $238.00 a month. What the hell, it only relived pain. I now for the first time, have a tab with my Dr. I owe him $400.00 bucks.
These are real numbers. When does the "affordable" part start? I used to consider me and mine middle class. Not any more.

p.s. This thread will disappear.

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09/04/2014 09:21 PM
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Democrats did this to you, folks. Remember that in November, unless you're stupid.
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"The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their President." - Vaclav Klaus
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09/04/2014 09:27 PM
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I left the US and came to NZ with "universal healthcare"

We now pay over 30% in taxes (it is a flat progressive tax that charges everyone the same but still...) (and if you earn even slightly above poverty, there are no deductions for children or anything else to offset the tax)(this includes over 1% of your annual salary as a levy for accidents=---anyone in NZ is covered for accidents)


We also pay 15% goods and service tax (like a sales tax) on EVERYTHING!!! they even tax you on taxes!


Gas is over $8/gallon b/c of taxes


Healthcare is severely rationed here. Yes, I can get in to see my doctor the same day (for $25-50) and prescriptions are $5

BUT everything needs a referral to a specialist and that takes forever.

I went to the emergency room 2 years ago with a suspected heart attack. I am STILL waiting to see the cardiologist. To be fair, I did get a heart monitor for 24 hours about 6 months after the ER visit. But no one has ever seen me to explain what is happening.

I have been waiting several months for an endocrinologist. I can pay privately ($400 for first visit) but that will still take about 4 more months to see the doctor even on the private system.

Break an arm and they are great. Anything else---they are useless. Just want to write you a prescription anyway.

And only some of the prescriptions are covered by the govt. Doctors try to make sure that they write the prescription in a way to ensure it is NOT covered. They give you the pill instead of the liquid and only the liquid is covered, for example.

End result is that we pay HEAPS for the national healthcare but we can't actually use any of it.

We are thinking of trying a new country.
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09/04/2014 09:28 PM
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Democrats did this to you, folks. Remember that in November, unless you're stupid.
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Truth
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09/04/2014 09:34 PM
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This is what you get for not participating in a democracy. You don't vote you get your rights freedom and wealth stolen from you by those who do.

Democracy is simulated combat with aggression replaced with reason.

Remember that this November.
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09/04/2014 09:45 PM
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I got free air thanks to Obama: no one built that.
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I left the US and came to NZ with "universal healthcare"

We now pay over 30% in taxes (it is a flat progressive tax that charges everyone the same but still...) (and if you earn even slightly above poverty, there are no deductions for children or anything else to offset the tax)(this includes over 1% of your annual salary as a levy for accidents=---anyone in NZ is covered for accidents)


We also pay 15% goods and service tax (like a sales tax) on EVERYTHING!!! they even tax you on taxes!


Gas is over $8/gallon b/c of taxes


Healthcare is severely rationed here. Yes, I can get in to see my doctor the same day (for $25-50) and prescriptions are $5

BUT everything needs a referral to a specialist and that takes forever.

I went to the emergency room 2 years ago with a suspected heart attack. I am STILL waiting to see the cardiologist. To be fair, I did get a heart monitor for 24 hours about 6 months after the ER visit. But no one has ever seen me to explain what is happening.

I have been waiting several months for an endocrinologist. I can pay privately ($400 for first visit) but that will still take about 4 more months to see the doctor even on the private system.

Break an arm and they are great. Anything else---they are useless. Just want to write you a prescription anyway.

And only some of the prescriptions are covered by the govt. Doctors try to make sure that they write the prescription in a way to ensure it is NOT covered. They give you the pill instead of the liquid and only the liquid is covered, for example.

End result is that we pay HEAPS for the national healthcare but we can't actually use any of it.

We are thinking of trying a new country.
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Dayum!
Who is John Galt?
Chrit

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Just got my new premiums for health insurance. A little background first:

- Self Employed
- Wife and 2 boys ages 13 & 16
- Wife and I are in late 40's
- No diseases, we do not take any medications either
- $5,000 deductable old policy

We were paying $620.00/month, Renewal $1,200/month!!!!!!!!!!!! Who in Gods name can afford to pay $14,400 per year for healthcare?????????????

New plan to get the pricing down, new deductable $12,700 per year for the family. We each get 3 doctors visits per year.

All medications are out of pocket until the $4,500 per individual is met or the $12,700 total.

I LOVE TO PAY MORE FOR LESS, NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone else have any horror stories??????? I hope this happens to a lot more of us prior to the mid-term elections.

The next Congress should defund this abortion and return healthcare back to the private sector completely.
 Quoting: Scottish Indian


Same quote I got,$24,000+ a year counting deductible and no 100% coverage.

Make sure you read the fine print close, lot of the plans don't cover prescriptions till the deductible is filled. Plus they only have to cover 1 drug in each category, so if you have a prescription already there is a very good chance it won't be covered. My accountant said we could divorce to save because of my glaucoma prescription, it will save us over $6000 a year. I'm not doing it, I'll bank the cash and take my chances. I increased my medical coverage on our auto insurance just incase of an accident.
 Quoting: Chrit


If you divorce to pay less in medical insurance, you may end up in a higher tax bracket. 25% is a lot higher taxes than 15%. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
 Quoting: Renegade ()


Yep, we are now a corporation to reduce income intake. They forced me to do it, it was not by choice. I'm pissed about it, but it had to be done.
I'm only human, it's my biggest flaw.

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09/04/2014 10:11 PM
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Just don't pay. Pay for health care in cash. Be your own insurance.
 Quoting: Bear Drinker


Oh sure, everyone's got that cash laying around to pay their own doctor bills. The wife and I just spent a year in cancer treatment (for her). If we didn't have insurance, our bill would be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62289711


Vitamin D3 supplement at the right dosage will save you tons of money in the long run...

It is a potent cancer prevention...

1000 IU for every 25lbs of bodyweigh...
 Quoting: AlcoholicAlien


Now that he has been robbed how the fuck is he supposed to afford vitamins?

"If you like your curent shirt, you can keep it."ohappy
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Just don't pay. Pay for health care in cash. Be your own insurance.
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^^^THIS^^^^^
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09/04/2014 10:21 PM
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I just fired my whole staff last week...all over obamacare and his regulations an d taxes
F()CK obama and his transvestite bentover boyfriend
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09/04/2014 10:22 PM
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Democrats did this to you, folks. Remember that in November, unless you're stupid.
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Yes and be sure to rush into the loving arms of your favorite professional republican foreflusher.
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s will htf when tax season rolls around and a lot of people find their refunds have been cut in half or completely gone. They are going to have a lot of folks paying back these subsidies out of their refunds.
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09/04/2014 10:36 PM
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Well let's see. Pay cash till you get a major illness. Then get insurence cause you cant be denied. Touch down dont fuck wit the man
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