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Wolf-Rayet Stars :)

 
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This is some great information on Wolf-Rayet stars and goes into the physics of said stars.

*let me say I'm not an expert on this stuff, so if I cannot answer a question I will simply say "I do not know"...maybe some theoretical astrophysicist will show up to provide their input and theories :)

[link to www.physics.usyd.edu.au]

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WR 104: Technical Questions

This page is for a more in-depth technical discussion of the risk posed by WR 104. There is jargon and techincal stuff ahead, and I won't try to explain all the terms. Ask your local friendly Astronomer if in doubt.

This discussion focusses on the risk to earth from a potential future gamma ray burst (GRB) in WR 104. Note that this was not a big part of my scientific article published in Astrophysical Journal. The article only had a paragraph or two about this scenario. But for understandable reasons, the press and public have picked up on this aspect of the work. It is maybe a little more widely relevant than, say, "radiative braking in colliding-wind systems" (which is discussed at length in the paper).

Furthermore let me add that any discussion of the future behavior of this complicated star system by necessity covers quite a lot of difficult astronomical terrain. I am in no way an expert in all the aspects one needs to cover to see the argument through. So I invite anyone reading this who sees a hole in my logic, or can add insight or detail to the discussion to get in touch and let me know what I have mistaken or missed.

The chain of logic from the observations through to a plausible credible future threat to Earth's biosphere has a lot of steps, and I will try to go through each of them with a realistic discussion of what we (or rather I) know and don't know about each step.

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I find it hilarious at the bottom of this link he mentions the "Bad Astronomy" website...

BWAHAHAHA!
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Author of the link is a Professor and ARC Future Fellow in the School of Physics and director of the Sydney Institute for Astronomy (SIfA) at the University of Sydney, Australia.

This link shows amazing images/videos of Wolf-Rayet stars.

Link to his main page: [link to www.physics.usyd.edu.au]
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These technologies are giving humanity its first ever window into the intimate lives of stars: how they are born and how they die, and perhaps most exciting of all, whether they are surrounded by their own families of exoplanets.

ETA: I forgot to mention his name...I certainly want to give him credit...

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Interesting article OP. Thanks for posting it.

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yeah!
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Interesting article OP. Thanks for posting it.

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yeah!
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Thanks my friends...

Nice to see GLPers interested in this type of stuff...

I noticed at the bottom of Peter Tuthill's main page he speaks about research opportunities...I soo wish I would've continued my college education...I would probably give up all my material possessions and live in a hut, in the same clothes every day, with no hot water, just to be able to research this stuff :)

I have soo many theories floating around in my *brian* I need to communicate...

Please add to the discussion.

^^lol...I guess I'm referring to the 'discussion' in my head...

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Where is the local Astronomer?
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Another brilliant link on Wolf-Rayet stars...

[link to math.ucr.edu]

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But when silicon fuses, it forms highly stable nuclei like iron that don't want to fuse any further. So, silicon burning is the end of the line. And it doesn't last long! For example, a star 25 times the mass of the Sun is expected to spend about 5 to 10 million years burning hydrogen, 0.5 to 1 million years burning helium, 500 to 1000 years burning carbon, 6 to 12 months burning oxygen... but just a day or so burning silicon!


I'm only about half way through this one...I will be back to edit post.

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the FOX news crawler says 'the biggest in years"...

wasn't there a carrington sized event, in july 2012 ??
that just missed us by a week ??

and this one, is bigger than that ????
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They are pushing the fear factor, which has got my attention, usually they don't report until days have went by. I'll be interested to see the stats in the morning not sure how I feel about this event without exact numbers, lots of ins and outs.lol
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Don't be fazed....

I know most don't want to hear my opinion here, short of simple and Isis, but I felt my ears ringing at the time of lift off...

We are dealing with particles that are faster than the speed of light...remember the link I sent you?

Our star just got 'charged' up by the Wolf-Rayet star near by and 'reacted'...

This time...no big deal...except for earthquakes etc...not for USA...we have weapons to 'divert' the energy...

Take what you will for what I post...I am being 100% serious right now...

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Sounds like you're attempting to work your Glp Lunatic Ramblings into known science theory.
Set'N-uP for a Crush & Burn.

Really like the passive (IMO) then parading science theory as your base facts in understanding.
You're a mess.
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Thanks for the bump :)

I see you've been indoctrinated into the 'box'...too bad...

Let me know when you have a valid opinion on Wolf-Rayet stars instead of bashing me :)
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Thanks for the bump :)

I see you've been indoctrinated into the 'box'...too bad...

Let me know when you have a valid opinion on Wolf-Rayet stars instead of bashing me :)
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Just call'N U out on your own stupidity.
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Oh, and I see you're posting from a proxy AC...you don't think other GLPer notice this???

Laughable...
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Oh, and I see you're posting from a proxy AC...you don't think other GLPer notice this???

Laughable...
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Ob·liv·i·ous Trolling(Your Style on threads).
Cheers.

A favor in return.
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Thanks for the bump :)

I see you've been indoctrinated into the 'box'...too bad...

Let me know when you have a valid opinion on Wolf-Rayet stars instead of bashing me :)
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Just call'N U out on your own stupidity.
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Please show me the errors of my ways?

I'm really curious in your opinion...do you have an explanation for the 100 >Mev particles as seen on GOES?

Do you have a workable theory on giant planet formation from gravitational instability (likely caused by a Wolf-Rayet star colliding) instead of the antiquated core accretion theory?

Or are you just going to continue to say how crazy I am?

Let me know when you have an opinion other than I'm crazy :)

Looking forward to it...

*play nice, unless you want my full attention*
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Thanks for the bump :)

I see you've been indoctrinated into the 'box'...too bad...

Let me know when you have a valid opinion on Wolf-Rayet stars instead of bashing me :)
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Just call'N U out on your own stupidity.
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Please show me the errors of my ways?

I'm really curious in your opinion...do you have an explanation for the 100 >Mev particles as seen on GOES?

Do you have a workable theory on giant planet formation from gravitational instability (likely caused by a Wolf-Rayet star colliding) instead of the antiquated core accretion theory?

Or are you just going to continue to say how crazy I am?

Let me know when you have an opinion other than I'm crazy :)

Looking forward to it...

*play nice, unless you want my full attention*
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Just more of your BullsHat Projections.
Thanks.
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Continue to play nice and you can stay here and learn something :)




Thanks for the bump :)

I see you've been indoctrinated into the 'box'...too bad...

Let me know when you have a valid opinion on Wolf-Rayet stars instead of bashing me :)
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Just call'N U out on your own stupidity.
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Please show me the errors of my ways?

I'm really curious in your opinion...do you have an explanation for the 100 >Mev particles as seen on GOES?

Do you have a workable theory on giant planet formation from gravitational instability (likely caused by a Wolf-Rayet star colliding) instead of the antiquated core accretion theory?

Or are you just going to continue to say how crazy I am?

Let me know when you have an opinion other than I'm crazy :)

Looking forward to it...

*play nice, unless you want my full attention*
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Just more of your BullsHat Projections.
Thanks.
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Anyone want to talk about "degenerate electron gas"?
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Just call'N U out on your own stupidity.
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Please show me the errors of my ways?

I'm really curious in your opinion...do you have an explanation for the 100 >Mev particles as seen on GOES?

Do you have a workable theory on giant planet formation from gravitational instability (likely caused by a Wolf-Rayet star colliding) instead of the antiquated core accretion theory?

Or are you just going to continue to say how crazy I am?

Let me know when you have an opinion other than I'm crazy :)

Looking forward to it...

*play nice, unless you want my full attention*
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Just more of your BullsHat Projections.
Thanks.
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Gosh Geeeeee.
No Thanks.

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[link to math.ucr.edu]

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You may think I've forgotten about GRB030329 and Wolf-Rayet stars, but I haven't. This big digression was just to set the stage. I've sketched what stars of up to 25 solar masses will do, but remember, Wolf-Rayets are a lot bigger: they begin life at about 60 solar masses. And astronomy resembles opera in this way: the bigger the star, the more noise they make in their final scene. So, the stuff about supernovae was just to whet your appetite.


^^THIS guy is hilarious for a nerd :)

Ofcourse I have a thing for nerds...
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So, within 90 min, a 40-inch telescope at the Siding Spring Observatory in Australia was looking at this spot. So was a telescope in Japan. They saw the optical afterglow of the &#947;-ray burster and watched how its brightness changed with time. And within 24 hours, a spectrograph on a telescope in Chile made detailed readings of the spectrum, measuring the redshift (z = 0.1685) and thus the distance of the burst, and seeing signs of radioactive nickel - about 1/3 of a solar mass of the stuff, according to one estimate! Later, more telescopes probed the event in different ways.


SAME LINK AS LAST POST: [link to math.ucr.edu]

What the author is talking about in bold is the classic blue 'glow' of Cherenkov radiation...

[link to en.m.wikipedia.org]

Many of you see this some times when you close your eyes to go to sleep. This same phenomena has been reported by miners deep underground.

See Andrew Collins LINK: [link to www.andrewcollins.com]

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The details of what was seen gave a lot of credence to the "hypernova" or "collapsar" model of &#947;-ray bursters, championed by Stan Woosley of U. C. Santa Cruz, among others. But much remains mysterious about &#947;-ray bursters. Nobody knows exactly how the energy from the jet gets turned into &#947; rays! And, the hypernova model only fits "long" &#947;-ray bursters, where the burst lasts about 2 seconds or more. There are also "short" ones, which may work some other way.


LINK: [link to math.ucr.edu]

I really, really, want to talk about this...

I think I have a model that can show how we can tell...although I know the 'experts' already have models...guess I want to communicate my ideas with someone :(
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I should add that the 'y' included in the above links represents photons...
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LINK: [link to annesastronomynews.com]

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Globular clusters are gravitationally bound concentrations of ancient stars (up to a million such stars) which form a nearly spherical system. They orbit the galactic center along highly elliptical paths, and on average one revolution takes 300 million years. Recent estimates indicate that about 150 globulars exist in the Milky Way (the Andromeda Galaxy has been estimated to contain approximately 500 globular clusters).


^^THIS talks about Charles Messier and his discovery on planet formation due to gravitational instability.

IMO, Saturn was our old star when we humans inhabited Mars...this was waay before we through the \Z/ last time :)

IE: before our current star was born.

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Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.

I'd like to go quietly in my sleep, like grandpa did. Not screaming in terror like the people in the back seat of the car he was driving.
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[link to www.constellation-guide.com]

^^THIS link, in the SECOND ARTICLE, talks about Cygnus (the Swan constellation in the 'dark rift' of the Milky Way) and the Summer Triangle...this is the same same triangle on Nut in the Egyptian Papyrus. It is shown by the darken triangle by her public region...

ETA: this link misdirected me the second time I clicked on it...try this link if you can't get through to see Nut and the Summer Triangle

LINK: [link to www.andrewcollins.com]

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sooo I'm guessing you don't like learning about stars?

Btw, incase you're wondering...I have a pretty good life...I like being down in the basement :) I don't need much light...
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I gave you 5* TAMPA HEATHER I'm kinda a space-science tard too but this is a bit out of my range. No formal school on these subjects for me but incredibly fascinating.
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I gave you 5* TAMPA HEATHER I'm kinda a space-science tard too but this is a bit out of my range. No formal school on these subjects for me but incredibly fascinating.
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Listen, I know it sounds intimating but it is pretty straight forward. Maybe save the links for when you're enjoying a cup of coffee...life is stressful...

Even if you skim those links I bet you will come away with some understanding.

I appreciate your interest my friend :)
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Nice.

Let me paste this as a primer for some.
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Nice.

Let me paste this as a primer for some.
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Thank you :)

Reading this now, but I def appreciate your interest...I suspect you have your own theories...

Please feel free to explain here on this thread...make yourself at home.

popcorn

ETA: T Tauri on steroids?

^^i might be in love :)

Seriously, I love your simple, to the point essay...

Seriously, THANK YOU!
Sometimes I get ahead of myself because of my personal experiences and I don't know how to explain them...so I go off looking...you helped a lot!

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Hey OP thanks for this post. I just got out of my AST 102 class and we just went over WR stars!

interesting stars they are. So rare. The nuclear fusion overpowers gravity and the star burps out large quantities of mass.

I understand that these class O stars are so large, they will create a hypernova, which is much larger than a supernova and a black hole will be the remainder of such an explosion.

Hmm... I find it curious that I just learned about this today and my go to place glp has it too
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