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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 301426
1/28/2008 2:56 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
To shibumi2 and other honorable ones,
What are your thoughts on this Florida traffic citation I received Jan 1. 2008? I signed my name on the ticket then added "without prejudice UCC 1-308." The officer took the original and I got the copy. He said, "interesting signature" and walked away.
After I got home, I took my copy, wrote on the back, "Receipt of your offer of contract is acknowledged and returned for discharge and closure for your failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted. I do not wish to contract with you. My signature, Jan 4, 2008, Agent." This is from Mary Croft's book, How I Clobbered...
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I did hear of another option which sounds interesting wherein I send a Promissory Note to pay the fine. I have it notarized and mailed certified mail by the notary on my behalf. I give the court ten days to respond to the note. If they don't, I send another notice that says something else, basically claiming they accept the note as payment. The end. What that notice is exactly I forget. Quoting: Jame Spond 360753
Uhhhhhhhh? Would you accept an ad-hoc unsecured IOU, ultimatum, and creative redefinition of terms/law from someone who owed YOU money?
Anyway -
#1, The UCC applies to commercial transactions/sales/contracts and related docs, not to law enforcement. Your interaction with the cop was neither commercial nor a contract. Creative redefinition won't work.
#2, You've already HAD notice of payment due, and they now want the $. There's no reason why they should accept your IOU, or do anything other than ignore it.
(And why would you need a notary to mail a certified letter, anyway? The cert-mail receipt itself -- not the party who mails it -- is proof that something was mailed.)
You can't just creatively decide which regs apply, or whip up your own law + ad-lib docs and have them apply. It's saner to just proest the ticket (if possible), via normal route; or just pay the damned thing. |
| Seeing the light
User ID: 365273
1/31/2008 4:17 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
I've been reading this thread for a few days, when I get the chance. A couple of years ago, during my bartending duties, I met a man who told me of this whole discharging-of-debt thing and, while I found it intriguing, I blew it off. Mostly because I was working three jobs and trying to keep my head above water. I didn't have the time to learn. Well, I'm listening now. I've done a lot of reading in the interim, and I get the gist of it, but I don't know how to get started - ie. filing a UCC statement and the other subtleties and complexities involved. I don't have a grand to spend on the adverts touted online, and I'm not so sure I trust them anyway.
I tried to access a few of the links that were posted here for more info. Half of them no longer work, and one actually shut down my browser, like *now*. Spooky. The man I spoke with a couple years ago directed me to the worldnewsstand.net site, which I devoured, but now it's something else. What is going on? This has happened with a few sites I've tried to research.
If anyone has any nuggets of wisdom, I would certainly appreciate any guidance. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 368509
2/5/2008 4:50 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42896 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 376378
2/19/2008 2:31 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
I've been reading this thread for a few days, when I get the chance. A couple of years ago, during my bartending duties, I met a man who told me of this whole discharging-of-debt thing and, while I found it intriguing, I blew it off. Mostly because I was working three jobs and trying to keep my head above water. I didn't have the time to learn. Well, I'm listening now. I've done a lot of reading in the interim, and I get the gist of it, but I don't know how to get started - ie. filing a UCC statement and the other subtleties and complexities involved. I don't have a grand to spend on the adverts touted online, and I'm not so sure I trust them anyway.
I tried to access a few of the links that were posted here for more info. Half of them no longer work, and one actually shut down my browser, like *now*. Spooky. The man I spoke with a couple years ago directed me to the worldnewsstand.net site, which I devoured, but now it's something else. What is going on? This has happened with a few sites I've tried to research.
If anyone has any nuggets of wisdom, I would certainly appreciate any guidance. Quoting: Seeing the light 365273
My advice would be to stay away from the whole UCC-1 thing, for now. You have to understand that when living in a Commercial world/venue you have to play by the rules of the Commerce Game:
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1. A workman is worthy of his hire. Authorities: Exodus 20:15; Lev. 19:13; Matt. 10:10; Luke 10:7; II Tim. 2:6. Legal maxim: “It is against equity for freemen not to have the free disposal of their own property.
2. All are equal under the law (God’s Law-Moral and Natural Law). Authorities: Exodus 21:23-25; Lev. 24:17-21; Deut. 1:17, 19:21; Matt. 22:36-40; Luke 10:17; Col. 3:25. Legal maxims: “No one is above the law.”; “Commerce, by the law of nations, ought to be common, and not to be converted into a monopoly and the private gain of a few.”
3. In commerce, truth is sovereign. See Exodus 20:16; Psalms 117:2; John 8:32; II Cor. 13:8. Legal maxim: “To lie is to go against the mind.” Oriental proverb: “Of all that is good, sublimity is supreme.”
4. Truth is expressed in the form of an Affidavit. See Lev. 5:4-5; Lev. 6:3-5; Lev. 19:11-13; Num. 30:2; Matt. 5:33; James 5:12.
5. A matter must be expressed to be resolved. See Heb. 4:16; Phil. 4:5; Eph. 6:19-21. Legal maxim: “He who fails to assert his rights has none.”
6. An unrebutted affidavit stands as truth in commerce. See 1 Pet. 1:25; Heb. 6:13-15. Legal maxim: “He who does not deny, admits.”
7. An unrebutted affidavit becomes a judgment in commerce. See Heb. 6:16-17. Any proceeding in court, tribunal, or arbitration forum consists of a contest, or “duel,” of commercial affidavits wherein the points remaining unrebutted in the end stand as the truth and the matters to which the judgment of the law is applied.
8. He who leaves the field of battle first (does not respond to Affidavit) loses by default. See Book of Job; Matt 10:22. Legal maxim: “He who does not repel a wrong when he can occasions it.”
9. Sacrifice is the measure of credibility. One who is not damaged, put at risk, or willing to swear an oath on his commercial liability for the truth of his statements and legitimacy of his actions has no basis to assert claims or charges and forfeits all credibility and right to claim authority. See Acts 7, life/death of Stephen. Legal maxim: “He who bears the burden ought also to derive the benefit.”
10. A lien or claim, under commercial law, can only be satisfied by one of the following actions. See Gen. 2-3; Matt 4; Revelation. Legal maxim: “If the plaintiff does not prove his case , the defendant is absolved.”
10.1. A rebuttal Affidavit of Truth, supported by evidence, point-by-point.
10.2. Payment.
10.3. Agreement.
10.4. Resolution by a jury according to the rules of common law.
=========================================
Now look at #4,5,6, and ESPECIALLY 7. What does that tell you?
Also, when it comes to so-called "money" it doesn't exist. The remedy is found in HJR-192. The PTB won't admit it but the U.S. is truely BRANKRUPT. And if there is only pieces of paper, fiat money, to live with you play the Commerce Game with other pieces of paper. But BE CAREFUL and PRUDENT. After all, you are dealing with thugs who are only interested in collecting the "interest" on the fraudulent, national debt.
Here are some good places to start, briefly, in catorgies:
1. Traffic tickets:
Newbies: [link to ticketslayer.com]
Experienced: [link to www.freedom-school.com]
2. Credit Card Debts, and others - i.e. bills, student loans, etc. (However, see the end for my take on rent payments!):
A. After getting sick and tired of paying you can wait for the account to go to collections. After going to collections, WITHIN 30 DAYS YOU CAN SEND THEM THIS!!:
[link to www.fair-debt-collection.com]
B. After they respond with copies of your statements, send them both the Notice and AFFIDAVIT:
[link to www.fair-debt-collection.com]
[link to www.usa-the-republic.com]
(But of course, you would have to tailor it to your situation! ALSO, DON'T FORGET TO PUT THE ADDRESS OF THE NOTARY ON YOUR NOTICE.)
C. Then, if they try to move again against you, send them this:
[link to freedom-school.com]
(Again, study, do some research and tailor for yourself. Yes, you can do this without a UCC-1.)
And what will happen is the debt will either be discharged, they will try to take you, or threaten you, to court (laughable and doubtful in regards to the affidavits already filed), or, MORE THAN LIKELY, they will sell it to another interloper, debt collector. You have to be persistent because each time they sell the debt to another collector, over time, it becomes "worthless" to other interlopers/players in the field.
Now for rent payments, you are REALLY going to have to understand your situation. Yes, it is possible to not pay your rent and eventually have the debt discharged but your Credit Report won't let you easily move to another apartment/dwelling anytime soon. And remember, DON'T DO THIS WITH OTHER LIVING SOULS. If the apartment is owned by a sole proprietor, FORGET IT! IT WON'T WORK AND YOU JUST BROKE THE REAL LAW OF THE LAND: Don't infringe or impede on another person's life, liberty, and persuit of happines!
That being said, you can also use the affidavit first mentioned to keep your property safe. For example, suppose you can't get your inspection sticker on your car and the apartment manager is threatening to tow it! Remember who you are - life and blood, natural man/woman. Send them the affidavit:
[link to www.usa-the-republic.com]
, and watch them stop themselves in their tracks! But, as I said again, you have to DO SOME RESEARCH and study on your own.
I have to say, having family members who work for law firms helps! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 368509
2/21/2008 4:44 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42896 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 378187
2/21/2008 5:11 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42896 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 378280
2/21/2008 7:50 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42896
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 378278
2/21/2008 8:26 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
301426; there is no money! Notes are not money,i.e. Federal Reserve Notes. Read HJR 192 of 5 June 1933, 73rd Congress First Session and since October 1977 there is no legal tender, take a red of 31 USC section 5118 (d)(2). |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 196275
2/21/2008 8:58 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
It does not say ANYWHERE in the FDCPA about an ORIGINAL Verification and or ORIGINAL Contract. It actually says:
"...., the debt collector will obtain verification of the debt or a copy of a judgement against the consumer and a copy of such verification or judgement will be mailed to the consumer by the debt collector."
So please answer this.
Any answer to this comment? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 308987
wow...i'm surprised and happy this thread came back to life.
specifically, you want to accomplish two things relating to verification of debt...
1) The verification can consist of one of two acceptable items a) a court order showing that a judgment had been obtained already (usually through a DEFAULT JUDGMENT because someone ignored and didn't show up to a properly scheduled hearing) of b) a signed and sworn affidavit from an OFFICER of the corporation attesting to the debt...this USUALLY also requires a signed statement, under penalty of perjury from the bookkeeper that has first hand knowledge of your account. I've yet to receive one of these. They ALWAYS go away when they know YOU know the law
With credit card debt, there is usually no one that can attest and no OFFICER is going to attest to the debt. Usually by the time you get a letter, the debt has been sold and the CC company has washed their hands of the matter.
The second part is that the original contract HAS TO EXIST somewhere. The maxim in law is no original no debt. Many have tried to challenge this but to my knowledge courts still require an original document to be tendered.
shibumi2 |
| not a Person
User ID: 239180
2/21/2008 10:48 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
wow! I have a question..
Say I wanted to go thru with the plan posted a few posts above for debt. I have a debt arbitrarily assigned to me from a law office from an accident, the law office has assumed control of the debt from the insurance agency for damages i caused. The case was going to court but i got a settlement set up to agree to make payments. So its essentially a contract to pay the law office, which is paying the insurance agency, some number we agreed upon. And its all hearsay anyway for the dollar amount of damage and stuff. Well heres the problem, if I decide to not make my payment to start the process of collections so I can file the affidavits and stuff, less than a week after Im supposed to make the payment the law office files something with the DMV to suspend my drivers license due to nonpayment of debt related to traffic accident.
HOW do I stop the law office from filing to suspend my (well, my legal-fiction agent in commerce's) license whenever they feel like it without my permission??
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BTW this page is AWESOME (and page 2).. Congress is fake and run by Executive Power after Civil War quorum was lost!
[link to ticketslayer.com]
Another interpretation I find useful to summarize some of this info, relating to court:
The FIRST thing any officer (on the road) or judge (in court) asks you is, "IS YOUR NAME 'JOHN DOE'?" Since this is your legal fiction name, and not you personally standing there, just say NO!! Astound and shock them! Noone EVER expects someone to say NO to a question of who they are! Tell them, when they pick their jaw up off the floor, that you are "commonly called John of the family Doe", and that you are "a sovereign free will human appearing as speaker on behalf of your agent in commerce" (the fact is a legal fiction is virtual and cant speak!), who is the 'person' in question. They cant throw you in jail, only the legal fiction - IF YOU SAY YES and thus agree that you ARE the legal fiction name. The court can only assess judgement in the form of fines against the fiction, which you can either pay to settle things, or simply tell them (as the speaker) to refer all debts to the rightful owner of the 'person', the State of _______ who owns the Birth Certificate! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 18692
2/22/2008 8:09 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 250863
2/23/2008 11:06 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 376378
2/25/2008 2:02 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
To Anonymous Coward 378280,
F**k you too with your sensless, trolling spam!! You post three times after my thread!! So what is it? you don't like it when people don't buy from your UCC-1 scam crap or have to suffer when trying to find what rights they have by way of the US Constitution?
F**king troll. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380468
2/25/2008 2:37 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
dude. I think i responded to your issue earlier.
what you will find is that the so called "loan" was sold by the bank to either a mortgage company or sent to the Federal Reserve directly.
the only thing you need to do is insist on inspecting the ORIGINAL NOTE!
Go ahead...tell them you will pay off the amount due, but you want to inspect the original note!
they won't be able to produce it!
guess what, no note..no debt.
i've used it at least 6 times on debt collection scumbags and it's worked every time. Quoting: shibumi2
this is true, they sell and resell these debts go after everyone and expect no one to fight back. Essentially they throw all the debts at the wall and whatever sticks is more than enough for them to all get rich, since they hardly ever find someone willing to request the original documentation or threaten legal action against them (since these people are already so in "debt" they don't imagine hiring an attorney will help. They also don't even typically have real attorneys, just a bunch of kids still going through law school who use it as an internship and these places put faked out official looking seals on things just to try to get you to think they are more important than they are.
The strawman thing is damn cool, I hope people figure out how to get it to work in practise and not just in theory, but I doubt the all powerful FED will let it happen, forget it for this circumstance and follow this USEFUL advice. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 373728
2/25/2008 2:51 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
this is all bullshit. i tried this with a goodyear credit card i stopped paying on and the collectors threatened me with further legal action after i asked for the "original note." the conversation was being recorded and i had already acknowledged i was the person with the debt. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380698
2/25/2008 11:01 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
this is all bullshit. i tried this with a goodyear credit card i stopped paying on and the collectors threatened me with further legal action after i asked for the "original note." the conversation was being recorded and i had already acknowledged i was the person with the debt. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 373728
It doesn't matter what you tell them over the phone, verbal threats have NO LEGAL CLOUT. You can tell them you are Henry Kissenger for all they care. It doesn't matter. The so-called contract you signed with the credit card company doesn't have any characteristics of a valid, legal binding contract. What you and I sign are unenforceable, UNILATERAL contracts with thugs. Therefore I would advice to start with, (B.), in the second part of dealing with Credit Cards as outlined here from a previous post:
[/qoute]My advice would be to stay away from the whole UCC-1 thing, for now. You have to understand that when living in a Commercial world/venue you have to play by the rules of the Commerce Game:
======================================
1. A workman is worthy of his hire. Authorities: Exodus 20:15; Lev. 19:13; Matt. 10:10; Luke 10:7; II Tim. 2:6. Legal maxim: “It is against equity for freemen not to have the free disposal of their own property.
2. All are equal under the law (God’s Law-Moral and Natural Law). Authorities: Exodus 21:23-25; Lev. 24:17-21; Deut. 1:17, 19:21; Matt. 22:36-40; Luke 10:17; Col. 3:25. Legal maxims: “No one is above the law.”; “Commerce, by the law of nations, ought to be common, and not to be converted into a monopoly and the private gain of a few.”
3. In commerce, truth is sovereign. See Exodus 20:16; Psalms 117:2; John 8:32; II Cor. 13:8. Legal maxim: “To lie is to go against the mind.” Oriental proverb: “Of all that is good, sublimity is supreme.”
4. Truth is expressed in the form of an Affidavit. See Lev. 5:4-5; Lev. 6:3-5; Lev. 19:11-13; Num. 30:2; Matt. 5:33; James 5:12.
5. A matter must be expressed to be resolved. See Heb. 4:16; Phil. 4:5; Eph. 6:19-21. Legal maxim: “He who fails to assert his rights has none.”
6. An unrebutted affidavit stands as truth in commerce. See 1 Pet. 1:25; Heb. 6:13-15. Legal maxim: “He who does not deny, admits.”
7. An unrebutted affidavit becomes a judgment in commerce. See Heb. 6:16-17. Any proceeding in court, tribunal, or arbitration forum consists of a contest, or “duel,” of commercial affidavits wherein the points remaining unrebutted in the end stand as the truth and the matters to which the judgment of the law is applied.
8. He who leaves the field of battle first (does not respond to Affidavit) loses by default. See Book of Job; Matt 10:22. Legal maxim: “He who does not repel a wrong when he can occasions it.”
9. Sacrifice is the measure of credibility. One who is not damaged, put at risk, or willing to swear an oath on his commercial liability for the truth of his statements and legitimacy of his actions has no basis to assert claims or charges and forfeits all credibility and right to claim authority. See Acts 7, life/death of Stephen. Legal maxim: “He who bears the burden ought also to derive the benefit.”
10. A lien or claim, under commercial law, can only be satisfied by one of the following actions. See Gen. 2-3; Matt 4; Revelation. Legal maxim: “If the plaintiff does not prove his case , the defendant is absolved.”
10.1. A rebuttal Affidavit of Truth, supported by evidence, point-by-point.
10.2. Payment.
10.3. Agreement.
10.4. Resolution by a jury according to the rules of common law.
=========================================
Now look at #4,5,6, and ESPECIALLY 7. What does that tell you?
Also, when it comes to so-called "money" it doesn't exist. The remedy is found in HJR-192. The PTB won't admit it but the U.S. is truely BRANKRUPT. And if there is only pieces of paper, fiat money, to live with you play the Commerce Game with other pieces of paper. But BE CAREFUL and PRUDENT. After all, you are dealing with thugs who are only interested in collecting the "interest" on the fraudulent, national debt.
Here are some good places to start, briefly, in catorgies:
1. Traffic tickets:
Newbies: [link to ticketslayer.com]
Experienced: [link to www.freedom-school.com]
2. Credit Card Debts, and others - i.e. bills, student loans, etc. (However, see the end for my take on rent payments!):
A. After getting sick and tired of paying you can wait for the account to go to collections. After going to collections, WITHIN 30 DAYS YOU CAN SEND THEM THIS!!:
[link to www.fair-debt-collection.com]
B. After they respond with copies of your statements, send them both the Notice and AFFIDAVIT:
[link to www.fair-debt-collection.com]
[link to www.usa-the-republic.com]
(But of course, you would have to tailor it to your situation! ALSO, DON'T FORGET TO PUT THE ADDRESS OF THE NOTARY ON YOUR NOTICE.)
C. Then, if they try to move again against you, send them this:
[link to freedom-school.com]
(Again, study, do some research and tailor for yourself. Yes, you can do this without a UCC-1.)
And what will happen is the debt will either be discharged, they will try to take you, or threaten you, to court (laughable and doubtful in regards to the affidavits already filed), or, MORE THAN LIKELY, they will sell it to another interloper, debt collector. You have to be persistent because each time they sell the debt to another collector, over time, it becomes "worthless" to other interlopers/players in the field.
Now for rent payments, you are REALLY going to have to understand your situation. Yes, it is possible to not pay your rent and eventually have the debt discharged but your Credit Report won't let you easily move to another apartment/dwelling anytime soon. And remember, DON'T DO THIS WITH OTHER LIVING SOULS. If the apartment is owned by a sole proprietor, FORGET IT! IT WON'T WORK AND YOU JUST BROKE THE REAL LAW OF THE LAND: Don't infringe or impede on another person's life, liberty, and persuit of happines!
That being said, you can also use the affidavit first mentioned to keep your property safe. For example, suppose you can't get your inspection sticker on your car and the apartment manager is threatening to tow it! Remember who you are - life and blood, natural man/woman. Send them the affidavit:
[link to www.usa-the-republic.com]
, and watch them stop themselves in their tracks! But, as I said again, you have to DO SOME RESEARCH and study on your own.
[/qoute] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380698
2/25/2008 11:06 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
OK, the links to my previous post don't work so I recopied/pasted to see if this does the job.
I've been reading this thread for a few days, when I get the chance. A couple of years ago, during my bartending duties, I met a man who told me of this whole discharging-of-debt thing and, while I found it intriguing, I blew it off. Mostly because I was working three jobs and trying to keep my head above water. I didn't have the time to learn. Well, I'm listening now. I've done a lot of reading in the interim, and I get the gist of it, but I don't know how to get started - ie. filing a UCC statement and the other subtleties and complexities involved. I don't have a grand to spend on the adverts touted online, and I'm not so sure I trust them anyway.
I tried to access a few of the links that were posted here for more info. Half of them no longer work, and one actually shut down my browser, like *now*. Spooky. The man I spoke with a couple years ago directed me to the worldnewsstand.net site, which I devoured, but now it's something else. What is going on? This has happened with a few sites I've tried to research.
If anyone has any nuggets of wisdom, I would certainly appreciate any guidance.
My advice would be to stay away from the whole UCC-1 thing, for now. You have to understand that when living in a Commercial world/venue you have to play by the rules of the Commerce Game:
======================================
1. A workman is worthy of his hire. Authorities: Exodus 20:15; Lev. 19:13; Matt. 10:10; Luke 10:7; II Tim. 2:6. Legal maxim: “It is against equity for freemen not to have the free disposal of their own property.
2. All are equal under the law (God’s Law-Moral and Natural Law). Authorities: Exodus 21:23-25; Lev. 24:17-21; Deut. 1:17, 19:21; Matt. 22:36-40; Luke 10:17; Col. 3:25. Legal maxims: “No one is above the law.”; “Commerce, by the law of nations, ought to be common, and not to be converted into a monopoly and the private gain of a few.”
3. In commerce, truth is sovereign. See Exodus 20:16; Psalms 117:2; John 8:32; II Cor. 13:8. Legal maxim: “To lie is to go against the mind.” Oriental proverb: “Of all that is good, sublimity is supreme.”
4. Truth is expressed in the form of an Affidavit. See Lev. 5:4-5; Lev. 6:3-5; Lev. 19:11-13; Num. 30:2; Matt. 5:33; James 5:12.
5. A matter must be expressed to be resolved. See Heb. 4:16; Phil. 4:5; Eph. 6:19-21. Legal maxim: “He who fails to assert his rights has none.”
6. An unrebutted affidavit stands as truth in commerce. See 1 Pet. 1:25; Heb. 6:13-15. Legal maxim: “He who does not deny, admits.”
7. An unrebutted affidavit becomes a judgment in commerce. See Heb. 6:16-17. Any proceeding in court, tribunal, or arbitration forum consists of a contest, or “duel,” of commercial affidavits wherein the points remaining unrebutted in the end stand as the truth and the matters to which the judgment of the law is applied.
8. He who leaves the field of battle first (does not respond to Affidavit) loses by default. See Book of Job; Matt 10:22. Legal maxim: “He who does not repel a wrong when he can occasions it.”
9. Sacrifice is the measure of credibility. One who is not damaged, put at risk, or willing to swear an oath on his commercial liability for the truth of his statements and legitimacy of his actions has no basis to assert claims or charges and forfeits all credibility and right to claim authority. See Acts 7, life/death of Stephen. Legal maxim: “He who bears the burden ought also to derive the benefit.”
10. A lien or claim, under commercial law, can only be satisfied by one of the following actions. See Gen. 2-3; Matt 4; Revelation. Legal maxim: “If the plaintiff does not prove his case , the defendant is absolved.”
10.1. A rebuttal Affidavit of Truth, supported by evidence, point-by-point.
10.2. Payment.
10.3. Agreement.
10.4. Resolution by a jury according to the rules of common law.
=========================================
Now look at #4,5,6, and ESPECIALLY 7. What does that tell you?
Also, when it comes to so-called "money" it doesn't exist. The remedy is found in HJR-192. The PTB won't admit it but the U.S. is truely BRANKRUPT. And if there is only pieces of paper, fiat money, to live with you play the Commerce Game with other pieces of paper. But BE CAREFUL and PRUDENT. After all, you are dealing with thugs who are only interested in collecting the "interest" on the fraudulent, national debt.
Here are some good places to start, briefly, in catorgies:
1. Traffic tickets:
Newbies: [ link to ticketslayer.com]
Experienced: [ link to www.freedom-school.com]
2. Credit Card Debts, and others - i.e. bills, student loans, etc. (However, see the end for my take on rent payments!):
A. After getting sick and tired of paying you can wait for the account to go to collections. After going to collections, WITHIN 30 DAYS YOU CAN SEND THEM THIS!!:
[ link to www.fair-debt-collection.com]
B. After they respond with copies of your statements, send them both the Notice and AFFIDAVIT:
[ link to www.fair-debt-collection.com]
[ link to www.usa-the-republic.com]
(But of course, you would have to tailor it to your situation! ALSO, DON'T FORGET TO PUT THE ADDRESS OF THE NOTARY ON YOUR NOTICE.)
C. Then, if they try to move again against you, send them this:
[ link to freedom-school.com]
(Again, study, do some research and tailor for yourself. Yes, you can do this without a UCC-1.)
And what will happen is the debt will either be discharged, they will try to take you, or threaten you, to court (laughable and doubtful in regards to the affidavits already filed), or, MORE THAN LIKELY, they will sell it to another interloper, debt collector. You have to be persistent because each time they sell the debt to another collector, over time, it becomes "worthless" to other interlopers/players in the field.
Now for rent payments, you are REALLY going to have to understand your situation. Yes, it is possible to not pay your rent and eventually have the debt discharged but your Credit Report won't let you easily move to another apartment/dwelling anytime soon. And remember, DON'T DO THIS WITH OTHER LIVING SOULS. If the apartment is owned by a sole proprietor, FORGET IT! IT WON'T WORK AND YOU JUST BROKE THE REAL LAW OF THE LAND: Don't infringe or impede on another person's life, liberty, and persuit of happines!
That being said, you can also use the affidavit first mentioned to keep your property safe. For example, suppose you can't get your inspection sticker on your car and the apartment manager is threatening to tow it! Remember who you are - life and blood, natural man/woman. Send them the affidavit:
[ link to www.usa-the-republic.com]
, and watch them stop themselves in their tracks! But, as I said again, you have to DO SOME RESEARCH and study on your own.
I have to say, having family members who work for law firms helps! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380698
2/26/2008 12:42 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
this is all bullshit. i tried this with a goodyear credit card i stopped paying on and the collectors threatened me with further legal action after i asked for the "original note." the conversation was being recorded and i had already acknowledged i was the person with the debt. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 373728
Also, after serving them with the notices and affidavits as listed from the previous posts you need not worry if they summon you to court. In fact, for me, I look foward to it because I can motion to dismiss, with prejudice, as soon as the judge calls my name - "nome de gurre" to be exact. What the prosecuting attorney has is "failure or lack of evidence." Therefore, after the judge calls you to his bench or calls your case and looks at you, you ask to see if the judge has read your documents also. If you have not made copies with the court clerk I suggest you do before your case is heard. Then, right when the judge begins looking over your papers state the following, "In the interest of justice, I move this court to dismiss my case based upon the legal facts and arguments presented in my documents." (I have to credit [link to ticketslayer.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 372252
2/26/2008 12:50 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
380698- how familiar are you with the sam kennedy and winston shrout teachings |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380698
2/26/2008 1:00 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
this is all bullshit. i tried this with a goodyear credit card i stopped paying on and the collectors threatened me with further legal action after i asked for the "original note." the conversation was being recorded and i had already acknowledged i was the person with the debt. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 373728
I should also advise when making the Notices and Affidavits that you should make FOUR (4) copies of each document you send out. Heck, make FIVE (5) copies of affidavits each for the notary to sign and stamp if you want. Go to your local bank and ask if they can do this for free as my bank does!! This is not only for your records to keep at hand, but to have if they should summon you to court. And if they summon you to court, you will have enough copies to give the court clerk for him/her to stamp at any time before your case is heard. Make the clerk stamp three (3) copies of each of your documents, then give one to the (1) judge, (2) one to the fraud, prosecuting attorney, and (3) one to keep for yourself. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 376378
2/26/2008 1:27 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
380698- how familiar are you with the sam kennedy and winston shrout teachings Quoting: Anonymous Coward 372252
The only product I have purchased to date is Ticketslayer.
[link to ticketslayer.com]
The rest have been study and research on my own. I have a degree from a local, accredited college and colleagues(friends) with commercial and various other degrees relating to law. (Don't worry, the friends I have know about the B.S., fraud that is being perpetuated via against the US Constitution too. Also, they like pepperoni on their pizzas, (most) ARE FUNDAMENTAL BAPTIST CHRISTIANS, and are aware of the following links):
(MY FAVORITE!!!)
[link to www.iamthewitness.com]
[link to judicial-inc.biz]
[link to www.erichufschmid.net] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 376378
2/26/2008 3:24 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
this is all bullshit. i tried this with a goodyear credit card i stopped paying on and the collectors threatened me with further legal action after i asked for the "original note." the conversation was being recorded and i had already acknowledged i was the person with the debt. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 373728
I must assume that you are concerned 'goodyear credit card' company is going to come after you directly. Most, if not all the time, the debt is going to go to a debt collector which is a DIFFERENT company. YOU NEED TO NAME THE DIFFERENT COMPANY ON THE NOTICES AND AFFIDAVITS. It's as if you signed a contract with them DIRECTLY which, of course, you didn't! So in essence, they are trying to get you to confess that you are under the ASSUMPTION of having a legal, binding contract with the debt collector. I don't know about you, but I haven't signed any credit cards with names such as 'Debt Collector Company' Visa credit card.
And even if the company has its own debt collection department they have to get you to confess in court that that was your voice in the recording. With all the affidavits and notices, the judge is going to rule in favor of your affidavits because the collection company, whoever that may be, will default before you are summoned!! Remember Commercial Maxims 4,5,6, and 7!! AFFIDAVITS RULE!!
You are pressing the debt collectors to verify if they have a legal, binding contract with you, which, again, they DON'T!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380698
2/26/2008 6:23 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
this is all bullshit. i tried this with a goodyear credit card i stopped paying on and the collectors threatened me with further legal action after i asked for the "original note." the conversation was being recorded and i had already acknowledged i was the person with the debt. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 373728
How about a worst case scenario:
You can't pay your bills and the credit card company has its own department to collect deadbeats. You just admitted to one of their service debt reps over the phone that you owe such and such and that your family is starving and you can't make payments. Do you think they still have you by the balls? Hell NO!! Know why? Because after you give them the Notice and Affidavit you are stating that you "deny the corporations: FRAUD DEBT COLLECTION COMPANY.....YOUR ALL CAPS FIRST AND LAST NAME, ETC." in the affidavit. You go to court, they pull out some cheap recording device that has a voice similar to yours. What do you say? THAT'S HEARSAY!! Why? There is no witness! There is no sworn affidavit signed UNDER PENALY OF PERJURY that someone talked to you and saw you physically with a notary as a witness!! Even if they dragged and flew the service rep to court it would not be admissable in court. THERE IS NO MEETING OF THE MINDS TO BEGIN WITH, NO SIGNED INVOICE OR SWORN AFFIDAVIT SIGNED UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY!! NOTHING!! YOU DIDN'T BREAK THE LAW OF THE LAND: DO NOT IMPEDE OR INFRINGE ON ANOTHER PERSON'S LIFE, LIBERTY, AND PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380698
2/26/2008 8:07 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
"I should also advise when making the Notices and Affidavits that you should make FOUR (4) copies of each document you send out."
This does not mean you make copies of one original off the copy machine. You make four identical affidavits per Credit Card Exthortion Company and have the notary sign/stamp EACH EXACT SAME ONE!! I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH!! However, with the Notices/Letters you can go make copies off of the original from a copy machine.
The reason for the importance on the AFFIDAVIT is because this is THE MEAT of your defense and OFFENSE of your case!! In order to make TRUE copies of your affidavit you would have to go to the nearest County Clerk Recording Office and see if they will allow you to record it so you can get CERTIFIED COPIES in return. I don't know about you but I hate taking chances on ASKING PEOPLE FOR PERMISSION. |
| dude in florida
User ID: 368421
2/26/2008 4:22 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
this is all bullshit. i tried this with a goodyear credit card i stopped paying on and the collectors threatened me with further legal action after i asked for the "original note." the conversation was being recorded and i had already acknowledged i was the person with the debt.
How about a worst case scenario:
You can't pay your bills and the credit card company has its own department to collect deadbeats. You just admitted to one of their service debt reps over the phone that you owe such and such and that your family is starving and you can't make payments. Do you think they still have you by the balls? Hell NO!! Know why? Because after you give them the Notice and Affidavit you are stating that you "deny the corporations: FRAUD DEBT COLLECTION COMPANY.....YOUR ALL CAPS FIRST AND LAST NAME, ETC." in the affidavit. You go to court, they pull out some cheap recording device that has a voice similar to yours. What do you say? THAT'S HEARSAY!! Why? There is no witness! There is no sworn affidavit signed UNDER PENALY OF PERJURY that someone talked to you and saw you physically with a notary as a witness!! Even if they dragged and flew the service rep to court it would not be admissable in court. THERE IS NO MEETING OF THE MINDS TO BEGIN WITH, NO SIGNED INVOICE OR SWORN AFFIDAVIT SIGNED UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY!! NOTHING!! YOU DIDN'T BREAK THE LAW OF THE LAND: DO NOT IMPEDE OR INFRINGE ON ANOTHER PERSON'S LIFE, LIBERTY, AND PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 380698
how about a company that you have a loan with that you have allowed to place a lien on your property such as a car or household goods? what about an internet loan such as [link to www.cashcall.com] or online payday loan?
i just don't understand how this can work if they have records of you making previous payments. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380698
2/26/2008 11:14 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
this is all bullshit. i tried this with a goodyear credit card i stopped paying on and the collectors threatened me with further legal action after i asked for the "original note." the conversation was being recorded and i had already acknowledged i was the person with the debt.
How about a worst case scenario:
You can't pay your bills and the credit card company has its own department to collect deadbeats. You just admitted to one of their service debt reps over the phone that you owe such and such and that your family is starving and you can't make payments. Do you think they still have you by the balls? Hell NO!! Know why? Because after you give them the Notice and Affidavit you are stating that you "deny the corporations: FRAUD DEBT COLLECTION COMPANY.....YOUR ALL CAPS FIRST AND LAST NAME, ETC." in the affidavit. You go to court, they pull out some cheap recording device that has a voice similar to yours. What do you say? THAT'S HEARSAY!! Why? There is no witness! There is no sworn affidavit signed UNDER PENALY OF PERJURY that someone talked to you and saw you physically with a notary as a witness!! Even if they dragged and flew the service rep to court it would not be admissable in court. THERE IS NO MEETING OF THE MINDS TO BEGIN WITH, NO SIGNED INVOICE OR SWORN AFFIDAVIT SIGNED UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY!! NOTHING!! YOU DIDN'T BREAK THE LAW OF THE LAND: DO NOT IMPEDE OR INFRINGE ON ANOTHER PERSON'S LIFE, LIBERTY, AND PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS!!
how about a company that you have a loan with that you have allowed to place a lien on your property such as a car or household goods? what about an internet loan such as [ link to www.cashcall.com] or online payday loan?
i just don't understand how this can work if they have records of you making previous payments.
Sorry to hear about that. However, in a situation as yours you would could send a Notice/Letter to ask them to release the lien and mail them an affidavit as this [link to www.usa-the-republic.com]
After they default, you have full rein on fixing your credit by threatening to file a tort claim whenever you want. With this new knowledge of using affidavits you can keep them off your back. However, it is really up to you if you want to assert your rights as a sovereign State Citizen by way of the US Constitution. Also, you have to realize that you have NO constitutional rights! The US Constitution was made specifically to keep the government subservient to "We the People". What you have, if you want to claim, and the early Americans had were sovereignty rights. NO MORE DIVINE RIGHT OF KINGS!!
As for the payment history, like I said before, IT DON'T MEAN SQUAT. Not without the affidavit of course.
I would recommend looking at page 4 of this link [link to www.freedom-school.com]
Good luck! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380698
2/26/2008 11:17 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
The pdf book link seems to not work, here is the same link here:
[link to www.freedom-school.com]
Hopefully this one works. |
| C-Fa
User ID: 381436
2/27/2008 1:35 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Well I just took a few hours to review this entire thread. Very enlightening, and thank you all whom put in good honest input.
My question is this. I have been struggling due to a back injury and slow business for the past 2 years. I had some credit cards and a GE money line of credit that I just gave up on. When I started missing payments they came down on me like vultures jacking the rates you now the game.
I have recieved a lot of mail, and as bad as it is I just ignore it. So assuming I missed my "30 day window" How might I proceed as to cleaning up my credit mess?
Thank you!
C. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 376378
2/27/2008 2:51 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Well I just took a few hours to review this entire thread. Very enlightening, and thank you all whom put in good honest input.
My question is this. I have been struggling due to a back injury and slow business for the past 2 years. I had some credit cards and a GE money line of credit that I just gave up on. When I started missing payments they came down on me like vultures jacking the rates you now the game.
I have recieved a lot of mail, and as bad as it is I just ignore it. So assuming I missed my "30 day window" How might I proceed as to cleaning up my credit mess?
Thank you!
C. Quoting: C-Fa 381436
Read post dated from the following:
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 376378
2/19/2008 2:31 AM
You can start with (B.) under section titled "Credit Cards". You more than likely will not get them discharged, at first, but what you are doing is making a "case" for yourself. It might not seem much but the a-holes on the other end are noticing with each Notice and affidavit you send. Just be persistent and don't worry about fumbling and making mistakes. There really isn't anything worse that can happen as you are doing this. And after they received your letters/affidavits tell them, "I do not know who you are. I am Natural Man, 'Your Full Name', not the Corporation, 'ALL CAPS NAME'. I need to see a binding contract between me and you. I have never heard of you."
Just keep repeating and if they call you again, write a letter that will state, in so many words, that you are being harrassed by "Debt Company" and they refused to discharge the debt as they have no proof of claim. Each letter will be addressed to your State Attorney General, the Federal Trade Commission, your local Better Business Bureau, and the Debt Collector company and make a copy of each original. Make sure each letter has at the bottom "Cc:" of your your State Attorney General, the Federal Trade Commission, and your local Better Business Bureau. YES, I KNOW IT'S SCARY TO SEND LETTERS TO THE 3 ABOVE MENTIONED FOR SOME PEOPLE BUT REMEMBER WHO YOU ARE. And besides, the debt collector is interfering with the 5th Amendment of the US Constitution, "No person shall be...deprived of life, liberty, and property WITHOUT DUE PROCESS OF LAW." Every time they call you they are impeding your commercial affairs!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380698
2/27/2008 4:46 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
In case the website with the 1st affidavit should ever go down it would look something like this.
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Affidavit of Denial of Corporation Existance
One, Your Name (Upper/Lower case), a living, breathing Natural Man, declare that the following facts are true to the best of my knowledge and belief.
I hereby deny that the following corporations exist: THE UNITED STATES, STATE OF SHYSTER, COUNTY OF FRAUD, CITY OF FRAUD, SHYSTER, DEBT COLLECTION COMPANY NAME, ALL BAR ASSOCIATIONS, YOUR FULL NAME, of YOUR ADDRESS(in UPPER CAPS ONLY), CITY, STATE and ALL OTHER CORPORATE MEMBERS WHO ARE, OR WHO MAY BE ASSOCIATED WITH ANY COMPLAINTS AGAINST MY NATURAL BODY.
If any man or woman desiring to answer this affidavit, please answer in the manner of this affidavit, with notarized affidavit, using your Christian or family name for signature, and mail to the below named notary, address provided, within ten (10) days or default will be obtained.
Your Full Name (Upper and lower case)
On the ____ day of (Month), 2008 A.D., a man who identified himself as (Your Full Name Upper and lower case) appeared before me, a notary, and attested to the truth of this affidavit with his signature.
__________________________________ Seal:
Notary Public in and for the State of (Your State)
My Commission expires; __________________
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This would be the affidavit of your first line of defense. Use wisely... |
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