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| mohammed adel
User ID: 658842
4/17/2009 3:07 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 368509 |
| nortel
User ID: 668713
4/30/2009 8:31 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42896 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 668002
4/30/2009 8:46 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
I aint reading all these pages
but in case it aint included
if your case gets dismissed
and you are walking out of the courtroom
and the Judge calls your name
DO NOT STOP AND TURN AND SAY "WHAT"
because if you do.. You have just by action agreed that you are what you have just claimed to not be
do not go back into that flagship courtroom
RUN! Far Far Away from that courtroom
But In My Humble Opinion it will take a very well prepared person able to get to the point where they will just smile and run
much more likely
some Bubba guy will be enjoying your ass |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 590644
4/30/2009 9:55 PM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 590644
4/30/2009 10:43 PM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 196275
4/30/2009 10:47 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
wow. the power of glp.
any questions?
shibumi2 |
| Another Broke AC
User ID: 668839
4/30/2009 11:48 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Question for shibumi2 or anyone who can help,
I was unable to pay several credit cards. I received a demand letter from a bill collector back in August 2008, and then another letter (different card) from February 2009. I failed to reply to either of them. I haven't received any court summons or anything like that yet. What should I do? Is it too late to reply to these letters? Should I try to call them and ask for the status of my account? See if they will send me a new letter to start the process over?
Thanks for any help or suggestions. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 590644
5/2/2009 2:21 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
The credit the credit card companies and the banks loan is your own.
The bookkeeping is incorrect, and the redemption by method group is about correcting the bookkeeping.
1600 + members: [link to groups.yahoo.com]
Your credit was taken by government in the 30s under Roosevelt in an implementation of the communist manifesto. (5th plank, credit is the property of the government) The government assigned the credit of the people to the banks by license, but this was done without proper recompense.
The national debt can never be paid without correcting this fundamental bookkeeping error.
The process is described in writing by Griffin titled "The Mandrake Mechanism" found here: [link to goldismoney.info] |
| Another Broke AC
User ID: 668839
5/2/2009 7:15 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
644,
Thanks for your reply. I looked at your links, and I think I understand the overall ideas presented there about the monetary system.
What is the best or most practical thing for me to do now?
If 30 or more days have passed since receipt of the dunning letter, is it still worthwhile to reply? I was going to send them a letter asking for the ORIGINAL NOTE (as explained / outlined in this thread). But is it too late now? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 590644
5/2/2009 11:49 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
644,What is the best or most practical thing for me to do now?
If 30 or more days have passed since receipt of the dunning letter, is it still worthwhile to reply? I was going to send them a letter asking for the ORIGINAL NOTE (as explained / outlined in this thread). But is it too late now? Quoting: Another Broke AC 668839
I don't give legal advice.
Try this thread for more information: [link to goldismoney.info] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 590644
5/2/2009 11:54 PM | | Another Broke AC
User ID: 668839
5/3/2009 10:16 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
644,
Thank you for the links! I am now starting to read through them.
I don't give legal advice. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 590644
Yes, I understand that you don't give legal advice and that this discussion is for entertainment purposes only ! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 670729
5/3/2009 11:23 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Detaxcanada.org |
| William
User ID: 670753
5/3/2009 12:05 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
I have been through this issue a number of times, dealing with revenue canada and collection agencies.
One important fact to always keep in mind. A debt cannot be truly payed with a debt instrument. Simple mathematics, all money is borrowed in to existence. When a credit card company or other entity sends you a bill, they have already borrowed that amount of money in to existence. When you pay with money, you are simply bonding the issue over until a future date. The issue has not been closed.
Never refuse to pay, but inform them, you want to pay in a manner that closes the issue now, not at some time in the future and indicate you want the precise instructions for doing this. Let them know you are well aware that if you pay with money, it will be bonded over until a future date.
The collection company has the obligation to provide you with the correct info. You cannot get in to trouble as you have not refused to pay.
The problem with collection agencies and virtually any other agency is the people on the front line have no clue of what is going on and will continue harassing you.
This is when you need to tell them, Ok, take me to court and we will let the judge decide this matter. See, at this point it is your opinion versus theirs. You have a right to get a third party involved such as a judge and they are the ones who are responsible for putting it in court as they came forward with the initial collection action.
Stick with your position of a debt cannot pay a debt, it is a powerful tool. They cannot come after you for non payment.
William |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 590644
5/4/2009 1:43 AM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 590644
5/4/2009 8:52 AM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 590644
5/5/2009 9:57 AM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 590644
5/6/2009 9:20 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Here is a you tube on the all cap name and the tie in to the public debt: [link to www.youtube.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 674435
5/8/2009 12:59 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 674435
5/8/2009 1:01 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
For truth and justice.
Thank you people for sharing
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| DustinDale
User ID: 682108
5/18/2009 6:07 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Can some one tell me if using ucc-1 is valid in any way for dissolving a child support and custody order? Thanks |
| Caution_2_The_wind
User ID: 690756
5/29/2009 9:34 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Sight drafts: Financial freedom the easy, fraudulent way
By Laura Bruce • Bankrate.com
Anti-government extremists have long tried to avoid paying taxes, but in recent years some of them have focused on paying off everything from mortgages to credit cards to utility bills the quick and easy way -- with bogus sight drafts; essentially, bad checks.
The scheme doesn't hold up for long. Eventually, the person or company that was paid with the phony sight draft realizes it's worthless and takes action, says assistant prosecutor Dan Kasaris of the Cuyahoga, Ohio, county prosecutor's office.
"The problem is these things look so legitimate. We've had people take them to the county treasury office and use them to pay their taxes. The treasurer takes them, stamps them, and sends them off for processing. You get an initial credit that you paid the tax, and then the credit is reversed."
Historian Mark Pitcavage, who specializes in militia movements, says even banks have accepted them.
"The IRS will let one through, and very often private individuals or companies will accept them because they look extremely realistic."
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A sight draft looks like a check. It's payable on demand (on sight) and, sometimes, no signature is needed. Legitimate sight drafts are often used in international trade.
Twisted vision of history
The anti-government types apparently latched onto sight drafts to accommodate their belief that the U.S. government owes every American citizen a substantial amount of money.
The theory, called redemption or acceptance for value, says that legitimate constitutional government ended when the U.S. went off the gold standard in 1933.
The extremists believe the government had to find some other way to pay off its debts. It did this by using the energy, or work output, of its current and future citizens as collateral. The government pledges each birth certificate for an amount that's been quoted anywhere from $600,000 to $1 million.
Pitcavage says redemptionists believe that everyone in the U.S. is collateral for bonds issued by the U.S. government. The bondholder doesn't own you, but he or she owns everything you do. Each person has a mirror entity, a straw man that represents the amount of work they do.
Redemptionists say there's a way to redeem your straw man and stake your claim to that money. Simply file a particular document along with your birth certificate and hand it in to your secretary of state office.
Now, you control your straw man and all the money that goes with it. You now can print up a sight draft and pay off your mortgage, according to redemptionists.
Proponents of this fraud hold seminars around the country explaining the straw man theory and charging cash to redeem the straw man for participants.
"Initially, the person is a victim," says Kasaris. "They pay the teacher to have their straw man redeemed. Then once they get their straw man redeemed, they float these bogus drafts and the victim becomes the defendant.
"The teacher got a $128,000 sight draft to pay off his mortgage with Chase. He gets the mortgage statement the next month and it says it's paid off. He goes to a seminar and shows them the mortgage statement and says, 'Look what using sight drafts did for us.'
"What they don't show them is a month or two later, the bank says we have revoked your credit because your check bounced."
Meanwhile, the folks attending the seminar are forking over 10 percent of their mortgage to get their straw man redeemed. After they try to pay the mortgage with a bogus sight draft they're out the 10 percent, they're facing foreclosure and, worst of all, facing criminal charges for writing a phony sight draft.
Pitcavage says this particular scheme took root around 1999 and has caught on as a way to pay off everything from taxes to cars, boats, homes and weapons.
"One of the nastiest versions is they'll sell a sight draft to someone who's vulnerable and gullible -- someone who's about to lose their home or farm," says Pitcavage. "They'll say, 'You give me $5,000 and I'll give you this debt instrument to pay off your debt; then you can make lower payments to me.'"
Of course, the fraudster takes off with the $5,000, and the homeowner loses his money and the house.
American Bankers Association spokesman Jon Hall says check fraud costs the banking industry alone $700 million annually.
"Ever since the advent of color copiers, desktop publishing and computer scanning equipment, being able to detect counterfeit checks is very difficult."
Copy of a bogus sight draft
Source: U.S. Treasury
Spotting a sight draft
Bogus sight drafts used by redemptionists have similar identifiers. They may refer to House Joint resolution 192 (the resolution Congress passed in 1933 taking the government off the gold standard), the Uniform Commercial Code (a statute that deals with commerce, the sale of goods, and negotiable instruments in commerce), and they usually list United States Treasury, 15 & Pennsylvania Avenue.
Sometimes, the folks who print sight drafts like to give themselves plenty of options.
"When they create their documents they put three or four boxes on the left side that say money order, sight draft, check -- they check a box and call it whatever they want. Whatever it is, it's forgery because it's not drawn on a valid account," according to Kasaris.
Perpetrators of this fraud have been arrested and convicted in Ohio, Michigan, Oregon and Idaho. Kasaris says most of the people involved are over 50 and have had some sort of tax problem.
"It really works on people who are down on the government, taxes and their luck. But we've had police officers involved -- one was sentenced to two years in prison. It's getting bigger and bigger. We're finding more people involved and more people getting duped."
When people believe they have hundreds of thousands of dollars to draw on they can get greedy and stupid.
Kasaris says one couple walked into a Cleveland Cadillac dealership in 1999 and tried to buy eight cars with a bogus sight draft. They were arrested and convicted. Two years later, three men were nabbed when they tried to use a bogus sight draft to buy three Caddies at the same dealership.
The moral of this story -- if someone tries to pay a debt to you with a sight draft, have it thoroughly checked before accepting it for payment. If it has any of the previously mentioned identifiers, it's probably phony. |
| Caution_2_Tthe_Wind
User ID: 690756
5/29/2009 9:37 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
HI GLP.
I have a legal/financial issue that may be going to court soon. I cannot afford to lose!
I lost my job some time ago and was unable to keep up on payments for a car loan.
While considering declaring bankruptcy I discovered the 'Straw man'/Soveriegnty websites out there. Here are the sites i have found.
[ link to www.worldnewsstand.net]
[ link to www.the7thfire.com]
[ link to www.halexandria.org]
[ link to www.wealth4freedom.com]
Does anyone know if this stuff really works? Any legal eagles out there can tell me about this or if there is an alternative recourse?
I need someone who is not just preprogrammed by the system but someone who has tried it.
Sight drafts: Financial freedom the easy, fraudulent way
By Laura Bruce • Bankrate.com
Anti-government extremists have long tried to avoid paying taxes, but in recent years some of them have focused on paying off everything from mortgages to credit cards to utility bills the quick and easy way -- with bogus sight drafts; essentially, bad checks.
The scheme doesn't hold up for long. Eventually, the person or company that was paid with the phony sight draft realizes it's worthless and takes action, says assistant prosecutor Dan Kasaris of the Cuyahoga, Ohio, county prosecutor's office.
"The problem is these things look so legitimate. We've had people take them to the county treasury office and use them to pay their taxes. The treasurer takes them, stamps them, and sends them off for processing. You get an initial credit that you paid the tax, and then the credit is reversed."
Historian Mark Pitcavage, who specializes in militia movements, says even banks have accepted them.
"The IRS will let one through, and very often private individuals or companies will accept them because they look extremely realistic."
- advertisement -
{"width":"300","height":"250","ccid":"53241","campid":"25798","cpm":"45"}
A sight draft looks like a check. It's payable on demand (on sight) and, sometimes, no signature is needed. Legitimate sight drafts are often used in international trade.
Twisted vision of history
The anti-government types apparently latched onto sight drafts to accommodate their belief that the U.S. government owes every American citizen a substantial amount of money.
The theory, called redemption or acceptance for value, says that legitimate constitutional government ended when the U.S. went off the gold standard in 1933.
The extremists believe the government had to find some other way to pay off its debts. It did this by using the energy, or work output, of its current and future citizens as collateral. The government pledges each birth certificate for an amount that's been quoted anywhere from $600,000 to $1 million.
Pitcavage says redemptionists believe that everyone in the U.S. is collateral for bonds issued by the U.S. government. The bondholder doesn't own you, but he or she owns everything you do. Each person has a mirror entity, a straw man that represents the amount of work they do.
Redemptionists say there's a way to redeem your straw man and stake your claim to that money. Simply file a particular document along with your birth certificate and hand it in to your secretary of state office.
Now, you control your straw man and all the money that goes with it. You now can print up a sight draft and pay off your mortgage, according to redemptionists.
Proponents of this fraud hold seminars around the country explaining the straw man theory and charging cash to redeem the straw man for participants.
"Initially, the person is a victim," says Kasaris. "They pay the teacher to have their straw man redeemed. Then once they get their straw man redeemed, they float these bogus drafts and the victim becomes the defendant.
"The teacher got a $128,000 sight draft to pay off his mortgage with Chase. He gets the mortgage statement the next month and it says it's paid off. He goes to a seminar and shows them the mortgage statement and says, 'Look what using sight drafts did for us.'
"What they don't show them is a month or two later, the bank says we have revoked your credit because your check bounced."
Meanwhile, the folks attending the seminar are forking over 10 percent of their mortgage to get their straw man redeemed. After they try to pay the mortgage with a bogus sight draft they're out the 10 percent, they're facing foreclosure and, worst of all, facing criminal charges for writing a phony sight draft.
Pitcavage says this particular scheme took root around 1999 and has caught on as a way to pay off everything from taxes to cars, boats, homes and weapons.
"One of the nastiest versions is they'll sell a sight draft to someone who's vulnerable and gullible -- someone who's about to lose their home or farm," says Pitcavage. "They'll say, 'You give me $5,000 and I'll give you this debt instrument to pay off your debt; then you can make lower payments to me.'"
Of course, the fraudster takes off with the $5,000, and the homeowner loses his money and the house.
American Bankers Association spokesman Jon Hall says check fraud costs the banking industry alone $700 million annually.
"Ever since the advent of color copiers, desktop publishing and computer scanning equipment, being able to detect counterfeit checks is very difficult."
Copy of a bogus sight draft
Source: U.S. Treasury
Spotting a sight draft
Bogus sight drafts used by redemptionists have similar identifiers. They may refer to House Joint resolution 192 (the resolution Congress passed in 1933 taking the government off the gold standard), the Uniform Commercial Code (a statute that deals with commerce, the sale of goods, and negotiable instruments in commerce), and they usually list United States Treasury, 15 & Pennsylvania Avenue.
Sometimes, the folks who print sight drafts like to give themselves plenty of options.
"When they create their documents they put three or four boxes on the left side that say money order, sight draft, check -- they check a box and call it whatever they want. Whatever it is, it's forgery because it's not drawn on a valid account," according to Kasaris.
Perpetrators of this fraud have been arrested and convicted in Ohio, Michigan, Oregon and Idaho. Kasaris says most of the people involved are over 50 and have had some sort of tax problem.
"It really works on people who are down on the government, taxes and their luck. But we've had police officers involved -- one was sentenced to two years in prison. It's getting bigger and bigger. We're finding more people involved and more people getting duped."
When people believe they have hundreds of thousands of dollars to draw on they can get greedy and stupid.
Kasaris says one couple walked into a Cleveland Cadillac dealership in 1999 and tried to buy eight cars with a bogus sight draft. They were arrested and convicted. Two years later, three men were nabbed when they tried to use a bogus sight draft to buy three Caddies at the same dealership.
The moral of this story -- if someone tries to pay a debt to you with a sight draft, have it thoroughly checked before accepting it for payment. If it has any of the previously mentioned identifiers, it's probably phony.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 696716
6/6/2009 8:34 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
HI GLP.
I have a legal/financial issue that may be going to court soon. I cannot afford to lose!
I lost my job some time ago and was unable to keep up on payments for a car loan.
While considering declaring bankruptcy I discovered the 'Straw man'/Soveriegnty websites out there. Here are the sites i have found.
[ link to www.worldnewsstand.net]
[ link to www.the7thfire.com]
[ link to www.halexandria.org]
[ link to www.wealth4freedom.com]
Does anyone know if this stuff really works? Any legal eagles out there can tell me about this or if there is an alternative recourse?
I need someone who is not just preprogrammed by the system but someone who has tried it. |
| larry
User ID: 696716
6/6/2009 8:40 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
It seems to be for real to me, I have used this technology twice now with traffic tickets. I let a lady at commercial redemption.com do my paperwork for me, I was impressed with her knowledge on the subject. |
| The Jurist
User ID: 694575
6/6/2009 8:55 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Not this thread again.... People will never learn.
`
(Be) Divide(ed) and (be) Conquer(ed)...
Don’t listen to what they say, watch what they do.
~There is Tranquility in Ignorance, but Servitude is its Partner. —me
~What luck for Rulers that Men do not Think. —Adolf Hitler
:damned: Doom is optional. There is good news abounds. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 692317
6/6/2009 9:40 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
(Name of company here)
Attention: John Doe (name of person on demand notice)
Address of company here
Regarding: (put your information and account number here)
To Whom It May Concern:
I want to resolve this claim you have made regarding my account.
I am fearful that fraud is being perpetrated against my person.
I have several questions and issues that must be resolved in order to bring this
matter to a close.
Please provide me all documentation showing the origin of the funds used in this matter.
1. Was this a loan?
2. Is this loan considered to an extension of credit or debt?
3. What was the origin of these funds?“
4. Did my signature on the agreement/promissory note, allow these funds to be created
in accordance with the Federal Reserve and the U.C.C.?
5. Am I required to payback these funds?
Why is my name in all CAPITAL LETTERS on all documents you use?
1. Does my name spelled in all CAPITAL LETTERS denote me a fictitious juristic
corporate status, a constructive trust, due to the contractual obligations between the
Corporate United States, the Corporate States, (type your state here), and the Federal
Reserve?
2. Am I entitled to a complete refund of all monies I have paid in this matter?
Before you proceed further in any action against me, please furnish me:
An affidavit, signed under penalty of perjury with the implementing regulation(s) that gives
the statutes you are relying on, the force of law that applies to me.
Include a copy of the Delegation of Authority Order that gives you assessment, lien, and levy
authority.
Provide me with proof of your claim that you maintain a security interest.
U.C.C. 1-201 (37) (A).
And in addition to the signed contract alleged above;
I need the name and identity of the man/woman certifying under the penalty of perjury
that I owe you a debt, the date of the assessment, the authority of the man/woman that
made the assessment.
YOU HAVE TEN (10) DAYS WITH WHICH TO COMPLY, FROM RECEIPT OF THIS CERTIFIED
MAIL, U.C.C. 1-204, UNLESS YOU REQUEST AN EXTENSION OF TIME.
A lack of response on your part means a default, U.C.C. 1-103 creating fraud through
material misrepresentation, which vitiates all forms, contracts, agreements, etc., expressed
or implied, from the beginning, U.C.C. 1-103.
I, declare under penalty of perjury, the foregoing is true to the best of my knowledge.
I am anxiously waiting your quick response to these issues, in order to resolve any ambiguity
regarding our mutual duties and obligations.
God Bless America…
All Rights Reserved,
Your name here
Acknowledgment
The use of a Notary Public is for verification of autograph only
And does not grant jurisdiction to anyone.
Your Name Here (upper & lower case), the undersigned, who is personally known by me or
upon proper identification, is appearing before me this day and signing the within instrument
in my presence and for the purpose therein stated. Signed this ______day in the month of
________________ in the year of our Lord ________ in the state of (your state name here),
county of (your county name here).
SEAL
NOTARY PUBLIC
My commission expires on: ______________________________________________ |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 692317
6/6/2009 9:57 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 645078
6/6/2009 10:51 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Not this thread again.... People will never learn. Quoting: The Jurist
Never learn what? To not try stealing from thieves without expecting some lashback?
Let's face it, there is waaay too much garbage to sort through just to find that current commercial systems are designed to keep time and energy flowing one way, which is not in most people's highest interest.
It is high time we come to some new agreements, lest society really take a turn for the worst. How about we start with some honesty about the crimes that have been, or are we going to continue pretending that ignoring it will make it all go away? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 605143
6/6/2009 11:53 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
...but I have been a law librarian for over thirty years and, let me tell you, these "sovereign man" and "don't have to pay no taxes" theories are complete nonsense. Take it to court; you will lose. I can't tell you how many times I've chased this stuff down. All of it is legal-sounding mumbo-jumbo; anyone who buys it being buffaloed. I challenge anyone to provide any citation to any court anywhere where these idiotic theories have been successful. Grow up and face reality.
In response to...Not an Attorney...
DOJ Vs. Robert Lawrence May 12, 2006. Peoria, Ill.
Here is a link. [ link to www.givemeliberty.org]
AC 607663 your problem is that you see the losers who "take it to court".
The idea is to stay OUT OF THEIR COURT (off their admirality ship). If you stay off the ship, you can still deliver and receive Registered and Certified mail, written trails of legal communication. Therein YOU WIN. |
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