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HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid?

 
Anonymous Coward
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07/18/2006 12:03 PM
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Are there any more methods of cheating the system that I should know about? Thanks for your time peace
BrokeAC (OP)
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07/18/2006 12:06 PM
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Are there any more methods of cheating the system that I should know about? Thanks for your time peace
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 118505


The system is a cheat. Get educated on the federal reserve and banking systems. I am doing that now.

If you cheat a system that is based on cheating then you aren't cheating you are reclaiming your freedom from the party that cheated you.
captain obvious
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07/18/2006 12:06 PM
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If the federal reserve ownwers have hundreds of trillions of dollars that they have scammed from the unwitting sheeple, who is cheating whom?
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07/18/2006 12:06 PM
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SHIBUMI2

I can ask the company to produce the original note outside of court? Will they actually send it to me? (the original that is)?
 Quoting: BrokeAC 106184


no, they aren't going to send it to you for two reasons...they don't have it...but if they did (and they don't) they would guard it and not let it out of their hands since it is the only LEGITIMATE way to verify and validate the debt.

you want them to know that YOU know that there is no ORIGINAL note...and if they push the issue, you will insist on making them bring the note to court in the event of any action.

if you properly NOTICE them of that fact, and do not authenticate the note on their behalf...they cannot proceed.

if they do proceed, and cannot supply the original or authenticated copy..they are committing a FRAUD UPON THE COURT...a FELONY. But read the rules of the court for the state you live in...
shibumi2

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07/18/2006 12:10 PM
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"Credit cards too. I once got a credit card ONLINE...there never was a fucking signature...I told them to go pound sand...and they went away."

So you admit you obtained a credit card online, then claim that since you didn't sign anything, you don't owe the money because they cant prove it? I guess this is admittance enough that you obtained the debt. Shame they can't bust your fradulent ass.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9482


i'm glad there are still losers left out there that will support the fraud long enough for me to extricate myself from this FRAUD of a system.

DO you know that Kennedy signed an Executive Order to begin issuing US Notes...effectively the first step in eliminating the Federal Reserve shortly before he was shot?

You can google it and read the ACTUAL Executive Order.

After he was killed, one of Johnson's first acts as president was to rescind KENNEDY's E.O.

Gee, Wally....i think a lone commie gumnan killed our president...

must be a lonely world of ignorance you occupy 9482....good german
Anonymous Coward
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07/18/2006 12:10 PM
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I didn't really mean "cheating" per se, but I wanted to know of more ways that I could use these methods to my advantage.
GREY LENSMAN
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07/18/2006 12:11 PM
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ONE THING THEY CANNOT ANSWER, WHO GETS THE USD 99,97

A USD 100 NOTE COSTS 3 CENTS TO PRINT. THEY SELL IT FOR USD 100 PLUS INTEREST.

LOTS OF WORDS

LOTS OF TREASURY BILLS

BUT WHO GETS THE USD 99.97

GL
shibumi2

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07/18/2006 12:12 PM
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If the federal reserve ownwers have hundreds of trillions of dollars that they have scammed from the unwitting sheeple, who is cheating whom?
 Quoting: captain obvious 118839


hey CO...i freely admit americans did this to themselves...and i also admit "the greatest country on earth" is most certainly the most deluded on earth...with a population that lives beyond its means and lacks basic educational skills.

but enough is enough...this country has been robbed blind.

if 9482 actually does some basic research./...assuming he/she isn't some paid lackey of the system....or TOOL if you will...they will find out how STUPID they really are.

LOSER/TOOL
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07/18/2006 12:16 PM
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118505

Check out the links I posted at the start of this thread, has some good info that i have not mentioned here.
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07/18/2006 12:16 PM
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118505

Check out the links I posted at the start of this thread, has some good info that i have not mentioned here.
GREY LENSMAN
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07/18/2006 12:16 PM
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ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT.

YOU MAKE A FEWDOLLARS OUT OF THEM, ITS FRAUD.

THEY STEAL BILLIONS FRO YOU, THATS BANKING.

SCAM.

GL
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I didn't really mean "cheating" per se, but I wanted to know of more ways that I could use these methods to my advantage.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 118505


works on ALL FRAUD...NATIONAL MORTGAGES/CREDIT CARDS/TAX LIENS etc.

I haven't yet won on the tax issue, but am in the middle of it right now...


EXCUSE ME....I HAVE TO PAY $650/MONTH IN PROPERTY TAXES TO KEEP MY LAND??? OH YEAH??

WHO CAME UP WITH THAT ONE? WHAT HAPPENED TO PERSONAL PROPERTY OWNERSHIP?? AM I NOT ESSENTIALLY RENTING THE LAND FROM THE STATE???

FUCK THAT SHIT WALLY.

THIS IS ALL FRAUD

AND TRAFFIC TICKETS...ANOTHER FRAUD...I HAVE NEVER LOST A TICKET YET...MAKE THEM TELL YOU IF A TICKET IS A CIVIL OR CRIMINAL PROCEEDING??? HAHA THEY CAN'T BECAUSE THEY ARE NEITHER...NOT CIVIL...NOT CRIMINAL? WHAT ELSE IS THERE...ADMINISTRATIVE!

SAME ROBE, SAME COURTROOM...BUT NO JUDICIAL AUTHORITY!!! WHAAAAAA??

sorry for the caps./...it just pisses me off to no end..

FRAUD!!
shibumi2

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07/18/2006 12:17 PM
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Oh yeah...ignore THE CREATURES FROM JECKYLL ISLAND...

FRAUD BOOK
captain obvious
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07/18/2006 12:18 PM
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Another homework assigment, 9482.

Explain who the trustee is on the deed of trust that we get for our property. And who holds the title to all the vehicles in the US, since all we get is a certificate of title?

And why does the government have 2 sets of books? The assets (50 to 100 trillion not reported in the budgets) that they have "title" to (stolen from the People) show up in the comprehensive annual financial reports.

Your heroes are scumbags.
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07/18/2006 12:19 PM
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07/18/2006 12:20 PM
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Hate to say it but a debt is a debt. You may be able to bring this strategy up, but you will lose. Be cautious as an unwise move at this time may be seen as "fraudulent conveyance" or "attempted theft by deception". Default on a loan will get a judgment against you, fraud will get you time.

Avoid bankruptcy if you can, it isn't worth the years of hard work to get back in shape. Negotiate with the party attempting collection. They will typically rather negotiate than chase you in court and attempt to collect a judgement.

As for mortgages, notes etc. The originials or certified copies are available at the Clerk of the Court and certified copies are admissable in any court.

As for whose fault your debt is, you can whine all you want about TPTB or "the man". You incurred a debt under both UCC and Common Law. Fair or not, remember the schoolyard strategy, don't provoke a bully. The bully may be wrong, but he will beat you just the same.

Be cautious about implementing any of the strategies you find on the net ....unless you have plenty of time and money to fight in court.

Good Luck
Anonymous Coward (OP)
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07/18/2006 12:20 PM
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ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT.

YOU MAKE A FEWDOLLARS OUT OF THEM, ITS FRAUD.

THEY STEAL BILLIONS FRO YOU, THATS BANKING.

SCAM.

GL
 Quoting: GREY LENSMAN 118620



lmao

TRUE yet ENTERTAINING
shibumi2

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07/18/2006 12:21 PM
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Well it is good to see that all the self-rightous woo-woo's are not confined to 9/11 and Bush hating, but also deeply involved in the realm of monetary and credit policy and law.

rolleyes
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9482


you must be a beneficiary of the fraudulent system...


LOSER!

FRAUD!

SCUMBAG!

KARMA to you, dude.
shibumi2

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07/18/2006 12:23 PM
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Another homework assigment, 9482.

Explain who the trustee is on the deed of trust that we get for our property. And who holds the title to all the vehicles in the US, since all we get is a certificate of title?

And why does the government have 2 sets of books? The assets (50 to 100 trillion not reported in the budgets) that they have "title" to (stolen from the People) show up in the comprehensive annual financial reports.

Your heroes are scumbags.
 Quoting: captain obvious 118839


very true...manufacturers certificate of title for youe vehicle goes to the STATE..who instead gives you a certificate of title from them, which can be revoked at their whim.

Also subjects you to the fraudulent driving license/code/ticket scam

FRAUD!
GREY LENSMAN
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07/18/2006 12:23 PM
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SOME EXAMPLES OF BANKING SCAMS HERE IN MALAYSIA.

RECENTLY THEY INCREASED THE CREDIT CARD MOTHLY INTEREST. MUCH FUSS AND BLEATING BUT THEY SAID, BE CALM, ITS ONLY A SMALL INCREASE ONLY HALF A PERCENT. SO SMALL YOU WILL HARDLY NOTICE.

FACT IS IT WAS FROM 1.5% TO 2%, A THIRTY PERCENT INCREASE.

OF YOU INVEST SAY 100,000 IN A BANK, YOU GET 1.0% INTEREST.

IF YOU BORROW 100,000 YOU PAY 8.0% INTEREST.

THEY SAY THATS A 7% SPREAD, ITS ACTUALLY A 700% MARKUP.

GL
Anonymous Coward
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07/18/2006 12:26 PM
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GL

It is actually greter than a 7% spread because banks are allowed to oerform what is called franctional reserve banking. The profit margin is much higher.
GREY LENSMAN
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07/18/2006 12:27 PM
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CAPT O

EVERY CORPORATION RIGHT DOWN TO PARTNERSHIPS IN THE WHOLE WOLRD HAS TO BY LAW KEEP BOOK, ACCOUNTS AND PRODUCE AN ANNUAL PROFIT AND LOSS ACCOUNT AND A BALNCE SHEET.

NOT A SINGLE GOVERNEMNT DOES THAT, THEY JUST PUBLISH A CASH DEMAND. ALL ASSETS, ETC ARE OFF BOOKS.

IN THE USA THEY NEED TO PRODUCE CAFR BUT IF YOU ASK FOR THEM YOU GET SENT TO JAIL.

GL
BrtokeAC (OP)
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07/18/2006 12:28 PM
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SHIBUMI2 AND GL

Where did you guys find all of this wonderful info? Any sites or books you recommend?

militia
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SHIBUMI2 AND GL

Where did you guys find all of this wonderful info? Any sites or books you recommend?

militia
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07/18/2006 12:28 PM
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81125

AGREED BUT I AM TRYING TO KEEP IT SIMPLE.

GL
shibumi2

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07/18/2006 12:29 PM
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Hey GL...yr living in Malaysia? How do you like it there? Business??
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07/18/2006 12:31 PM
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Be cautious as an unwise move at this time may be seen as "fraudulent conveyance" or "attempted theft by deception".

Please explain how a good faith request to see the original loan document could in any way be a fraudulent conveyance or attempted theft?
GREY LENSMAN
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CAPT O

AS I UNDERSTAND IT, USA LAND TITLES ARE ILLEGAL CONTRACTS.

THE CLAUSE DEMANDING YOU PAY TAXES IS ON BEHALF OF A THIRD PARTY WHO IS NOT PARTY TO OR BENIFICIARY OF THE CONTRACT.

IN COMMON PARLANCE THE CONTRACT IS NUKKK AND VOID.

GL
GREY LENSMAN
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07/18/2006 12:36 PM
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MALAYSIA US GREAT, IT IS WHAT THE USA THINKS IT IS.

VERY RELAXED AND THE WEATHER TERRIFIC.

THE POWERS THAT THINK THEY ARE ATTACK IT ALL THE TIME ON EVERY FRONT, SO FAR TO NO AVAIL.

GL
shibumi2

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07/18/2006 12:39 PM
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Be cautious as an unwise move at this time may be seen as "fraudulent conveyance" or "attempted theft by deception".

Please explain how a good faith request to see the original loan document could in any way be a fraudulent conveyance or attempted theft?
 Quoting: captain obvious 118839


HAHAHA well put C.O.

I like the part that idiot threw in about "jail time"

hopefully thr OP has enough info to start reseraching it for himself.

once people get a whiff of the truth, generally its like eating chips.

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