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HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid?

 
dfghj
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Do you know if this UCC is used in/by other countries courts
where the legal tender is also BankNotes issued by a central bank ?
(let's say Germany)
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The bottomline is we've failed to take 100% responsibility for our contracts and now we want a silver bullet to kill the beast we created.


Reality is an aquired taste.

Take what thou wilt,

spit out the rest.
 Quoting: a student of Protean thought


Nor are most smart enough to control their signature endorsement like the the rope it is. You can use it to protect you or hang yourself with if you do not know how powerful it is.

I would use my last US Treasury note to buy you a beer, or whatever you drink!
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Do you know if this UCC is used in/by other countries courts
where the legal tender is also BankNotes issued by a central bank ?
(let's say Germany)
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If you have a central bank (and Germany does) the UCC applies and is in effect.
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Do you know if this UCC is used in/by other countries courts
where the legal tender is also BankNotes issued by a central bank ?
(let's say Germany)
 Quoting: dfghj 1512488


If you have a central bank (and Germany does) the UCC applies and is in effect.
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Do you know of any successful attempt do discharge debt using these “legaleze” in Europe ?
(where every country has a central bank and all the legal tender is paper debt aka no gold money)
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09/18/2012 05:16 PM

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U.S. Supreme Court -- Hale v. Henkel, 201 US 43, at page 74:
"The individual may stand upon his constitutional rights as a citizen. He is entitled to carry on his private business in his own way. His power to contract is unlimited. He owes no duty to the state, or to his neighbors to divulge his business, or to open his doors to an investigation, so far as it may tend to incriminate him. He owes no such duty to the state, since he receives nothing therefrom, beyond the protection of his life and property. His rights are such as existed by the law of the land long antecedent to the organization of the state, and can only be taken from him by due process of law, and in accordance with the Constitution. Among his rights are a refusal to incriminate himself, and the immunity of himself and his property from arrest or seizure except under a warrant of the law. He owes nothing to the public so long as he does not trespass upon their rights... An individual may lawfully refuse to answer incriminating questions unless protected by an immunity statute."

[link to caselaw.lp.findlaw.com]


I love that one!

By the way, in todays maritime under the water mark system, just giving them a name is "incriminating" and creates a trust relationship with the OFFICER, who, in nearly every case, is NOT trust-worthy.

My right to not incriminate my 'self' starts not when THEY say it does, but right NOW.

No legal name officer, no, that is not my name on that paper, got a problem with that?

No D O B officer, got a problem with that?

No RES-I-DENCE officer, got a problem with that?

No AD-DRESS either, any more questions?

Nope, have no idea what a U S City-zen is, do YOU?, what else?

No? Good bye.

That is if I choose to talk to them at all, of course.
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If you are not prosecuting in your court then you are defending in theirs.
Time is short, know who you are and keep it simple.
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09/18/2012 05:24 PM
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Do you know if this UCC is used in/by other countries courts
where the legal tender is also BankNotes issued by a central bank ?
(let's say Germany)
 Quoting: dfghj 1512488


If you have a central bank (and Germany does) the UCC applies and is in effect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901334


Do you know of any successful attempt do discharge debt using these “legaleze” in Europe ?
(where every country has a central bank and all the legal tender is paper debt aka no gold money)
 Quoting: gfdsa 1512488


Canada, yes, no first hand info for anywhere else. However, nearly all mortgages are founded upon promissory notes, which are 'monitized' (most likely with the use of a foil star made of GOLD) and put on them and sold for under face value in packages internationally.

But, nearly every country, at one time or another issued gold or silver coins or notes backed by a reserve of such coins, in those countries that would most likely be lawful moneyas issued and not debt bearing.

Again, since I am NOT a high level banker/insider, I do not know exactly how that works, but I do know the reason for putting a Postage Stamp on promissory notes here is done because the stamps are actual MONEY and give the NOTE at least some real value.(the ones with a Cent or Dollar value on them anyway, FOREVER stamps are NOT money and are, in fact, elastic debt currency).
a student of Protean thought

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Do you know if this UCC is used in/by other countries courts
where the legal tender is also BankNotes issued by a central bank ?
(let's say Germany)
 Quoting: dfghj 1512488


If you have a central bank (and Germany does) the UCC applies and is in effect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901334


Do you know of any successful attempt do discharge debt using these “legaleze” in Europe ?
(where every country has a central bank and all the legal tender is paper debt aka no gold money)
 Quoting: gfdsa 1512488


We are going backwards a bit here.

Ask the right questions.

Who is charging?

Who is discharging?

Do you agree to a connection?

Do you choose to be the currency?

There ain't no silver bullet, never will be.

According to the system, the authority controls the charging and discharging and assumes you to be the connection and the currency.
What authorship do you ascribe in the system?
Where in the system can you amend the authority?
The system is trolling for response.
How do you respond?
Keep it simple. Time is short.
Anonymous Coward
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09/18/2012 05:30 PM
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In legal terms, the postage stamp or Gold foil star gives the note "Consideration".

[link to legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com]

In elastic currency terms, a 1 dollar US postage stamp carries REAL consideration (actual value) and not just a negotiable value.

That is why the party giving lawful money or a promissory note with a stamp on it would have higher standing legally than someone issuing paper notes with ZERO consideration. No value or in fact, a negative value.
a student of Protean thought

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09/18/2012 05:37 PM

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Roman Civil Law 101

It isn't fraud if you agreed to it.

There will never be a silver bullet.

So go burn your strawman at the burning man fest.
[link to proteanstudios.blogspot.com]

There will always be the choice that suffers consequences demanding to be reckoned.
a student of Protean thought

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09/18/2012 05:53 PM

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blind obedience

"...the frailty and self-delusion that are central to our lives and how easy it is to make ordinary people do terrible things- Evil often happens for the most mundane of reasons." ~Stanley Milgram - psychologist

People are willing to do what they say they’ll never do, provided there’s someone in authority who gives instructions and claims to “take responsibility” for the outcome.

“In the long and gloomy history of mankind, more crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than in the name of disobedience.” ~C.P. Snow

[link to subversiveinfluence.com]
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Roman Civil Law 101

It isn't fraud if you agreed to it.

There will never be a silver bullet.

So go burn your strawman at the burning man fest.
[link to proteanstudios.blogspot.com]

There will always be the choice that suffers consequences demanding to be reckoned.
 Quoting: a student of Protean thought


Thank you. So I'm toast!
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Here's the system that binds-

"Alpha waves in the human brain are between 6 and 8 hertz. The wave frequency of the human cavity resonates between 6 and 8 hertz. All biological systems operate in the same frequency range.
The human brain’s alpha waves function in this range and the electrical resonance of the earth is between 6 and 8 hertz. Thus, our entire biological system – the brain and the earth itself – work on the same frequencies.
If we can control that resonate system electronically, we can directly control the entire mental system of humankind."
~Nikola Tesla 1899


Now escape that one Houdini.
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Roman Civil Law 101

It isn't fraud if you agreed to it.

There will never be a silver bullet.

So go burn your strawman at the burning man fest.
[link to proteanstudios.blogspot.com]

There will always be the choice that suffers consequences demanding to be reckoned.
 Quoting: a student of Protean thought


Thank you. So I'm toast!
 Quoting: wert 1512488


You are what you say you are.

Things named are owned.
Who owns the name?
Who controls the name?

If you become aware of a fradulent contract as a named party, come foward to clear any and all misgivings to correct the error.
Anonymous Coward
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09/19/2012 10:26 AM
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I'm going to call the attorney today and also file for delay. Hopefully this works with this court here in Nevada.
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Hope is good, action is better, so take some action. For now, you WANT the court case, because if they refuse your legal tender, then the case is already open and there for you to use. That will save time, costs and worry on you and your wifes' part.

If its needed, let THEM come argue to the judge they have right to demand a certain form of payment, when, in fact, it was your PROMISE to pay on which the original issuer of the credit issued you the "$"'s to begin with.

If your "promise to pay" was worth that amount of "$"'s back then, why and HOW can it not be worth that same amount of "$"'s today, tomorrow or in 99 years? Who is the judge to tell you or them your promise is not valuable? Who are they to say so? CAN THEY PROVE IT?

Remember, they are going off what some other company TOLD them your DEBT PROMISE was worth, and THEY BOUGHT IT (literally). Also, that is after CAP1 used your promise to back ITS promises to pay others and most likely, sold your promise to its CREDITORS and on and on.

YOUR WORD IS YOUR BOND, right?

The court will very likely delay the summary judgement. Basically, the court clerk has a check list of things that need to happen or be in the file which a judge quickly looks over and signs off on for a summary judgement. These cases are common and rarely, if ever, get a detailed read or going over by anyone.

The court gets "paid", the less work they have to do, the better.
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Is it wise in my negotiations to refuse to pay the plaintiff's court fees because I'll be tending a promissory note? I've left messages and will probably have a call back today.
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09/19/2012 01:14 PM
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Wtf!? I got denieddelay of summary judgement again even when I want to settle?
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09/20/2012 09:24 AM
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I'm going to call the attorney today and also file for delay. Hopefully this works with this court here in Nevada.
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Hope is good, action is better, so take some action. For now, you WANT the court case, because if they refuse your legal tender, then the case is already open and there for you to use. That will save time, costs and worry on you and your wifes' part.

If its needed, let THEM come argue to the judge they have right to demand a certain form of payment, when, in fact, it was your PROMISE to pay on which the original issuer of the credit issued you the "$"'s to begin with.

If your "promise to pay" was worth that amount of "$"'s back then, why and HOW can it not be worth that same amount of "$"'s today, tomorrow or in 99 years? Who is the judge to tell you or them your promise is not valuable? Who are they to say so? CAN THEY PROVE IT?

Remember, they are going off what some other company TOLD them your DEBT PROMISE was worth, and THEY BOUGHT IT (literally). Also, that is after CAP1 used your promise to back ITS promises to pay others and most likely, sold your promise to its CREDITORS and on and on.

YOUR WORD IS YOUR BOND, right?

The court will very likely delay the summary judgement. Basically, the court clerk has a check list of things that need to happen or be in the file which a judge quickly looks over and signs off on for a summary judgement. These cases are common and rarely, if ever, get a detailed read or going over by anyone.

The court gets "paid", the less work they have to do, the better.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901334


Is it wise in my negotiations to refuse to pay the plaintiff's court fees because I'll be tending a promissory note? I've left messages and will probably have a call back today.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22886093


So what if the judge denies my request for delay even if I want to settle ( which he just did) and then he doesn't accept my promissory note? Can I appeal, sue the court, or? what kind of attorney should I hire?

But if they accept my promissory note AFTER judgment, how can I get the judgment removed or can i?
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09/20/2012 10:19 AM
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I wonder if its better to allow summary judgment so that I can file notarized copies of my promissory note, INSTEAD of having the Plaintiff dismiss with prejudice? What could happen if the case is dismissed by the plaintiff? Can I still file a copy of my note with the court if its been dismissed? Suggestions?
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09/28/2012 05:40 PM
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I wonder if its better to allow summary judgment so that I can file notarized copies of my promissory note, INSTEAD of having the Plaintiff dismiss with prejudice? What could happen if the case is dismissed by the plaintiff? Can I still file a copy of my note with the court if its been dismissed? Suggestions?
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I might like a copy of my legal tender offer in the court record. 2nd witness to the fact.

I would probably get it filed even if after the judgement, since the court judgment is just agreeing you owe the debt...
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09/28/2012 06:08 PM
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Roman Civil Law 101

It isn't fraud if you agreed to it.

There will never be a silver bullet.

So go burn your strawman at the burning man fest.
[link to proteanstudios.blogspot.com]

There will always be the choice that suffers consequences demanding to be reckoned.
 Quoting: a student of Protean thought


Common Law 1: It isn't a contract if you didn't knowingly agree to it with full substantive disclosure from all parties.

Contracts CANNOT be "presumed" or "imposed."

Force can - obviously. But not contracts.

"Presumption" is a judicial conceit. It is enacted, but it is NOT applicable to anything but the most minute situations - and it STLL technically requires full substantive disclosure from all parties. The abuse of presumption - alone - is what keep the administrative law farce going.

Oh and by the way - you say "It isn't fraud if you agreed to it." well you know something else that REQUIRES "your agreement"?

Extortion and blackmail.

Put that in your Roman pipe and smoke it.
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09/30/2012 05:42 AM
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I don't know if this has been said yet, but when every American is born, a STRAWMAN with your name in capital letters is created and a sum of ONE MILLION DOLLARS is created at the Treasury, to be used for debt payments on the national debt. To correct this one must gain back control of this strawman and by refusing to recognize the "corporation" of the U.S. and its subcorps.
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could this be why they're letting the illegals in? one day they'll be citizens and a strawman made for them too?
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I don't know if this has been said yet, but when every American is born, a STRAWMAN with your name in capital letters is created and a sum of ONE MILLION DOLLARS is created at the Treasury, to be used for debt payments on the national debt. To correct this one must gain back control of this strawman and by refusing to recognize the "corporation" of the U.S. and its subcorps.
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could this be why they're letting the illegals in? one day they'll be citizens and a strawman made for them too?
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Of course it is. "they" claim the right of property on anyone and everyone who stands on "their" land (under a high water mark) unless the Person has "diplomatic immunity" from another Government, which just means they are acting as property of another government.

Illegals are just property that ran away. Until their owner (Mexico or whatever) wants them back, they are used by the human herd masters here. If they turn out to be trouble makers or get caught crossing the "fence", they get shipped back (deported).

Its all a big cattle ranch only the ranches are called "countries! If they become US Citizens, they are just "legally" switching which "rancher" they want to be subject too.

Its all the same meat grinder in the end.
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UCC-1 stands for Uniform Commercial Code Form 1. It is not an agreement. It is just notice to the world that one person claims that it has an interest in someone else's property, usually as collateral for a debt. It is normally filed in the office of the Secretary of State in the state where the debtor/borrower is located. In most cases, located means the state of incorporation for corporations, the state of creation for limited liability companies and other entities, and the state of residence for individuals.

There must be another agreement, called a security agreement, that actually grants the security interest and defines the terms of the deal. The security agreement and the UCC-1 combined are like a mortgage on real estate. The mortgage is both the notice and the agreement for real estate, while for personal property the notice and the agreement are separate.


ok, so do i need to get the security agreement first and then get the UCC-1? any help please. thanks
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where can i get these forms for free, if they are and why do i need the security agreement?
this place is my home, my mind still runs free, the DR's prescription, less for you and more for me.
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10/09/2012 08:25 PM
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It is a valid "theory" but when used it is fully ingnored by the court system. It was some what effective about 10 years ago, but please do not waste your time with this approach any more.
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how does this method work with electronic signatures on loans? I have already sent document requesting the original promissory note from a 3rd party collector and they sent me a copy of an agreement not held with them and one that was faxed in and electronically signed. As I understand it they must maintain a wet ink copy of agreements for them to be legit but with with USC title 15 chapter 96 sub chapter 1, 7001, the general rule of validity on electronic signatureswtfwtfwtf states that it is enforceable. Help please!!
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While I only owed 6,000 when it got sent to lawyers they say I owe $16,000. BASTARDS
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While I only owed 6,000 when it got sent to lawyers they say I owe $16,000. BASTARDS
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Who is collecting OC ? Did you do a validation of debt or are they are suing you? depends on situationafro
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You are allowed to keep a (1) car in a bankruptcy and without a job your credit rating doesn't exist anymore anyway. A Trustee can try and merger the bills or stop the interest charges so that is one option.

Leave Admiralty Law is for something like a parking ticket when you are first starting to exercise that right in court.

I bet they have some interesting takes on property and it's changing value and such.
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Does anyone know if the contract law applies to parking tickets as well, and what the steps and procedures that are involved? I read on someone's Facebook page that he understands contract law and that he doesn't have to pay any of his parking tickets and now when the parking police see his car, they do not even bother to ticket him anymore. I want to know how he did this.
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