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HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid?
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Moreinfoplease
User ID: 106184
7/19/2006 10:51 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Nice job guys.
Shimbumi2 I am looking at local state laws. It seems I need to determine whether NJ is an 'original document state'.
If it is then not even a certified copy of the note will be admissable in court.
Here are the links I found and am reading through to determine if original document is necessary in court.
[link to www.judiciary.state.nj.us]
[link to www.judiciary.state.nj.us]
I hope these are the right ones.
I still have to read the Yick vs Hopkins and will do so tonight hopefully.
The famous Jewish historian Josephus attests to its authenticity. He says that Alexander the Great, during his war against Persia in the fourth century B.C.E., came to Jerusalem, where the priests showed him a copy of the book of Daniel. Alexander himself concluded that the words of Daniel’s prophecy that were pointed out to him referred to his own military campaign involving Persia. This would have been about a century and a half before the “forgery” as proposed by critics. |
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shibumi2
User ID: 74188
7/19/2006 10:58 AM
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doesn't matter if the document is certified or not...they have to produce the original, or prove the existence of the original.
if not, when the note is "paid", must you not receive ther ORIGINAL back? YES. Otherwise the debt is not really discharged.
to illustrate this point, take a $100 bill and make a color copy. take that copy to a notary and pay them to notarize that your copy is an exact/certified copy. Then ask the judge or bank if they will honor your certified copy. By honor, i mean honor it for face value or redeem it |
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shibumi2
User ID: 74188
7/19/2006 11:00 AM
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don't forget to read what a Soverign is...and read Yick Wo to see if Soverigns are subject to statute/code law. |
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Bean There
User ID: 26722
7/19/2006 11:02 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
One thing to keep in mind in all this is:
Have you already repaid enough to extinguish the original loan amount? If so, the amount in demand is the interest. Makes some difference in civility of approach.
I've got to go just now. Will be back later with my experience in this whole area. |
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GREY LENSMAN
User ID: 118620
7/19/2006 11:03 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
S2, A SUPPLIMENTARY AND HIGHLY CHARGED QUESTION.
WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THE USA DEBT OF SEVEN TRILLION DOLLARS AND GROWING BY THE SECOND.
1. TO WHO IS THAT DEBT OWED.
2. IT IS ONLY A CASH DEBT, MOST DONT KNOW THA USA GOVERNEMNT, INDEED ALL GOVERNEMENTS DO NOT KEEP PROPER LEGAL ACCOUNTS.
3. WALTER BURIEN HAS SHOWN THAT THE USA DOES KEEP PROPER ACCOUNTS BUT THEY ARE NOT PUBLIC, THESE BEING THE CAFR.
4. THE CAFR SHOW A HUGE PROFIT, SUFFICENINT IN MOST STATES TO COVER ANY DEBT AND TO PAY A SUBSTANTIAL PENSION TO EVERY FAMILY IN THE STATE WITH ZERO TAXATION.
5. FOR EXAMPLE I BELIEVE THAT TEXAS HAS A NET SURPLUS OF 11 TRILLION DOLLARS.
WHAT IS YOU VIEW ON THIS AND HOW DOES IT EFFECT THE DOOM AND GLOOM MERCHANTS WHO CLAIM USA IS DOWN THE TUBES.
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GREY LENSMAN
User ID: 118620
7/19/2006 11:05 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
S2
FUNDAMENTAL OF COMMON LAW
1. YOU CANNOT BE A UNWILLING PARTY TO AN ILLEGAL CONTRACT
2. YOU CANNOT SIGN AWAY EITHER YOUR RIGHTS OR OBLIGATIONS
ERO NO HUMAN IS SUBJECT TO UNJUST LAW OR ILLEGAL CONTRACTS.
QED.
GL |
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Moreinfoplease
User ID: 106184
7/19/2006 11:06 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Shimbumi2
I dont understand. If they must give me the original note when I pay off the debt then how is it they cant show me it if I ask them to?
Also for what purpose do they despose of the original note if they may need it later?
The famous Jewish historian Josephus attests to its authenticity. He says that Alexander the Great, during his war against Persia in the fourth century B.C.E., came to Jerusalem, where the priests showed him a copy of the book of Daniel. Alexander himself concluded that the words of Daniel’s prophecy that were pointed out to him referred to his own military campaign involving Persia. This would have been about a century and a half before the “forgery” as proposed by critics. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 13440
7/19/2006 11:11 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Most people at GLP don't know whether their big toe or their mind runs their bodies. Why are you asking? Do your own homework jerkaloid. |
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shibumi2
User ID: 74188
7/19/2006 11:14 AM
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S2, CAN YOU THROW SOME LIGHT ON THE ORIGINAL HEIST, THE MAJOR STING. A USD 100 DEBT NOTE COST 3 CENTS TO PRINT ( SOURCE HIDDEN BY "CONTRACTING TO TREASURY TO DO THIS")
THAT NOTE IS THEN SOLD FOR USD 100 IN EXCHANGE FOR A TREASURY BILL AT AN AGREED INTEST RATE.
WHO POCKETS THE USD 99.97 AND HOW DO THEY HIDE IT.
GL Quoting: GREY LENSMAN 118620
Hi GL,
I've been studying this, but not sure I have the complete picture yet.
Essentially, The Fed has a monopoly on printing fiat, which is ACCEPTED FOR VALUE, or people will take them in payment of goods or services.
The Fed gets these bogus scraps of paper into circulation thru the NATIONAL BANKING SYSTEM. The FED loans FRN's to the NATIONAL BANKS at the DISCOUNT RATE, which the banks then loan out to "consumers"...or chumps if you will. The spread between the discount rate and the consumer loan rate...the bank keeps for its stockholders...their VIC, if you will.
What does the FED require from the banks in security of the FRN note loans?? Our titles/deeds etc...We sign over our REAL PROPERTY...deeds and titles/...TANGIBLE PROPERETY which is sent to the Fed. So the Fed, and its designees...essentially have bought all the assets of America for worthless fiat paper.
More interestingly, what we thought we bought, we actually didn't...we discharged via IOU...not paid for. So the whole thing spirals rapidly out of control when you follow the progression.
Of course, the US Treasury ALSO borrows its massive defecits from the FED, and pays interest via T Bills and other notes. The FED pays its member bank OWNERS (all national banks together OWN the FED) a 6% dividend...the FED also takes out its operation expenses as well...the rest it returns to the US Treasury....which I believe last year was around 30 Billion. WHY?? Cause they don't give a shit about fiat currency SINCE THEY OWN ALL OF THE ASSETS IN THE US...INCLUDING THE US GOVERNMENT.
Of course, this is simplified but essentially correct. It's still a work in process. |
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GREY LENSMAN
User ID: 118620
7/19/2006 11:15 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
SOME MORE MEGA THOUGHTS.
THE USA IS FULL OF LAWYERS FOLLOWED CLOSELY BY WELL QUALIFIED AND EXPERIENCED ACCOUNTANTS.
YET
THE PENTAGON ADMITS IT CANNOT ACCOUNT FOR THREE TRILLION DOLLARS AND NOT A WORD IS SAID.
FURTHERMORE, IN MOST COUNTRIES THE FINANNCE MINISTER RUNS THE ECONOMY AND LAYS DOWN THE LAW. YET I THE USA, THE FINANCE MINISTER, IN FOR FORM OF A TREASURY SECRETARY DOES NOTHING. INDEED RECENTLY A CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE LAID DOWN NEW GUIDELINES FOR THE IRS ABOLSHING MORTGAGE TAX RELIEF, JUST THE SORT OF THING THE TREASURY SECRETARY SHOULD DO.
NOW THIS IS A GLOBAL PROBLEM, HOW COME ALL THESE ACCOUNTANTS WILL SLAVE AND SWEAT BLOOD BLOOD TO GET EVERY BUSINESS P/L AND BALANCE SHEET OUT ON TIME BUT NONE OF THEM EXPECT A GOVERNWMNT TO DO IT. THEY KNOW PERFECTLY WELL THAT AN ANNUAL BUDGET OR APPROPRIATION IS IN NO WAY AND FORM A CORRECT AND FULL ACCOUNTING.
GL |
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shibumi2
User ID: 74188
7/19/2006 11:17 AM
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Shimbumi2
I dont understand. If they must give me the original note when I pay off the debt then how is it they cant show me it if I ask them to?
Also for what purpose do they despose of the original note if they may need it later? Quoting: Moreinfoplease
they have to prove that you owe them....they can do that by producing an ORIGINAL note or getting you to testify that you in fact signed the note...otherwise how do they prove the debt is legitimate?
The original of any note is of great value to both parties. They probably do not have the original because the bank had it then transferred to the Federal Reserve as collateral for THEIR loans.
Wonder why the FED insists on holding the ORIGINAL??? CLUE
If not important, the FED would have the banks SCAN the doc...lot easier...but they wrote the law so they know. |
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GREY LENSMAN
User ID: 118620
7/19/2006 11:21 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
THANKS S2
QUOTE
The Fed gets these bogus scraps of paper into circulation thru the NATIONAL BANKING SYSTEM. The FED loans FRN's to the NATIONAL BANKS at the DISCOUNT RATE, which the banks then loan out to "consumers"...or chumps if you will. The spread between the discount rate and the consumer loan rate...the bank keeps for its stockholders...their VIC, if you will.
UNQUOTE
BUT THIS IS ONLY PART OF THE SCAM, SAY THE DISCOUNT RATE IS 20% THAT STILL LEAVES USD 79.87 UNACCOUNTED FOR.
THEN WE HAVE THE CRUMBS RETURNED TO THE TRASURY, 30 BILLION.
NOW I AM AWARE THAT CASH, BILLS, PAPER MONEY IS ONLY A FRACTION OF THE TOTAL. SO IN JUMP THE DUMMIES BUT HOLD ON ELECTRONIC TRANSFERS AND GENERATION OF "CASH" IS VIRTUALLY COST FREE MAKES THE 3 CENTS LOOK EXPENSIVE.
NO MORE JIGGING GOES ON AND THE ACCOUNTING IS FAR FROM COMPLETE AND WOULD NOT SATISFY A SINGLE CORPORATE AUDITOR.
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Moreinfoplease
User ID: 106184
7/19/2006 11:36 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Shimbumi thanks for clearing that up for me!
The famous Jewish historian Josephus attests to its authenticity. He says that Alexander the Great, during his war against Persia in the fourth century B.C.E., came to Jerusalem, where the priests showed him a copy of the book of Daniel. Alexander himself concluded that the words of Daniel’s prophecy that were pointed out to him referred to his own military campaign involving Persia. This would have been about a century and a half before the “forgery” as proposed by critics. |
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Moreinfoplease
User ID: 106184 (OP)
7/19/2006 12:34 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Shimbumi2
It has occured to me that the company who gave me the loan is not a bank (I dont think). Credit Acceptance Corp. is their name.
Does it still stand that they likely have given the note to the FED? |
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Interdimensional warrior
User ID: 5854
7/19/2006 12:56 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
When I was in college I took out student loans totaling 5000 dollars.
I paid half of it off before I was out of college, and moved to another state. My income tax returns were witheld because I owed on student loans, to the sum of 4000 dollars over a period of several years of garnashement.
Now I get a call here in Texas, they've found me, and thet want thier 16000 dollars I owe them.
I simply said I don't owe you anything but a good beating, fuck off, don't call my private phone again for any reason . All communications will be either by registered mail or not acknowledged.
SO...They send me a bill by registered mail with a loan number on it, a debt consolidation corporation in Washighton state. Nowhere is my signature evident on any of thier paperwork.
I called the bank that made the loan in N.Y. directly, demanded they show the loan agreement with my signature and how I owe them 16,000 dollars and I would gladly and instantly square up with the bank.
I haven't heard from the bloodsucking jews in over five years. |
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Moreinfoplease
User ID: 106184
7/19/2006 1:04 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Interdimensional warrior
That's whats up. I'am just hoping it works when a corporation give you money (I think its not a bank, not sure tho).
Then i can tell them the same things you and shibumi2 did
The famous Jewish historian Josephus attests to its authenticity. He says that Alexander the Great, during his war against Persia in the fourth century B.C.E., came to Jerusalem, where the priests showed him a copy of the book of Daniel. Alexander himself concluded that the words of Daniel’s prophecy that were pointed out to him referred to his own military campaign involving Persia. This would have been about a century and a half before the “forgery” as proposed by critics. |
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Moreinfoplease
User ID: 106184
7/19/2006 1:58 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Shibumi2
I hope iam not annoying you. Do you if this works with a non-bank company? I dont believe my lender is a bank. They are called 'Credit Acceptance Corporation'.
I need to know do they sell their original notes too?
The famous Jewish historian Josephus attests to its authenticity. He says that Alexander the Great, during his war against Persia in the fourth century B.C.E., came to Jerusalem, where the priests showed him a copy of the book of Daniel. Alexander himself concluded that the words of Daniel’s prophecy that were pointed out to him referred to his own military campaign involving Persia. This would have been about a century and a half before the “forgery” as proposed by critics. |
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shibumi2
User ID: 74188
7/19/2006 6:00 PM
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When I was in college I took out student loans totaling 5000 dollars.
I paid half of it off before I was out of college, and moved to another state. My income tax returns were witheld because I owed on student loans, to the sum of 4000 dollars over a period of several years of garnashement.
Now I get a call here in Texas, they've found me, and thet want thier 16000 dollars I owe them.
I simply said I don't owe you anything but a good beating, fuck off, don't call my private phone again for any reason . All communications will be either by registered mail or not acknowledged.
SO...They send me a bill by registered mail with a loan number on it, a debt consolidation corporation in Washighton state. Nowhere is my signature evident on any of thier paperwork.
I called the bank that made the loan in N.Y. directly, demanded they show the loan agreement with my signature and how I owe them 16,000 dollars and I would gladly and instantly square up with the bank.
I haven't heard from the bloodsucking jews in over five years. Quoting: Interdimensional warrior 5854
EXACTLY dude. the paper is long gone, and strong law supports that no original=no DEBT.
When people learn their rights and stand up, the BULLSHIT will come to a screeching halt...you had the balls to do that. |
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shibumi2
User ID: 74188
7/19/2006 6:05 PM
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Shibumi2
I hope iam not annoying you. Do you if this works with a non-bank company? I dont believe my lender is a bank. They are called 'Credit Acceptance Corporation'.
I need to know do they sell their original notes too? Quoting: Moreinfoplease
They all do, for the most part. The only consistant exception to this is STATE BANKS, which for the most part are actually run correctly for the most part (although this may not universally true, it is generally)
CREDIT ACCEPTANCE CORP? Sounds like a collection agency??
Dude...if it is a THIRD PARTY DEBT COLLECTOR, you're probably home free. It sounds like it but I have no way of knowing.
Look them up, call them or tell me what the letter you received says.
Does it say..."THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO COLLECT A DEBT AND ANY INFORMATION GIVEN WILL BE USED FOR THAT PURPOSE" or something similar?
hope so.
by the way, it works pretty much with any debt/contract...except the STATE BANKS |
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shibumi2
User ID: 74188
7/19/2006 6:09 PM
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FROM GOOGLE...
Credit Acceptance Corporation
Provides funding, receivables management, collection, sales training and related services to automobile...
sounds like a third party debt collector...drop everything and figure that out.
Did you make car payments and send to this outfit as you would to a bank?
what did you put on the check when you made a payment? |
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GREY LENSMAN
User ID: 118620
7/19/2006 9:51 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
GOOD MORNING AMERICA
KEEPING UP THE FLOW OF INFO AND DISCUSSION.
GL |
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Shibumi2
User ID: 106184 (OP)
7/20/2006 9:12 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Ok this is what I have. Credit Acceptance Corp is the original company that made the auto loan.
So far I have recieved a court summons with no date on it. It says I can dispute the debt by filing a "written answer or motion and proof of service" within 35 days ( that's the 2th of this month for me). Looks like I need to pay $135 to the clerk for filing it too.
The total on the summons is $5,566.01 for the balance and $606.60 for the attorney's fee.
A few days ago I got a letter saying they know I have been served with their papers. The current balance is $16,609.38.
They then say 'Wont you kindly contact our claims adjuster at ext 8 and to discuss suitable arangements for payment of this balance. |
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Moreinfoplease
User ID: 106184
7/20/2006 9:13 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
SHIBUMI2
Sorry about the post b4. Put your name in wrong spot.
Ok this is what I have. Credit Acceptance Corp is the original company that made the auto loan.
So far I have recieved a court summons with no date on it. It says I can dispute the debt by filing a "written answer or motion and proof of service" within 35 days ( that's the 2th of this month for me). Looks like I need to pay $135 to the clerk for filing it too.
The total on the summons is $5,566.01 for the balance and $606.60 for the attorney's fee.
A few days ago I got a letter saying they know I have been served with their papers. The current balance is $16,609.38.
They then say 'Wont you kindly contact our claims adjuster at ext 8 and to discuss suitable arangements for payment of this balance.
The famous Jewish historian Josephus attests to its authenticity. He says that Alexander the Great, during his war against Persia in the fourth century B.C.E., came to Jerusalem, where the priests showed him a copy of the book of Daniel. Alexander himself concluded that the words of Daniel’s prophecy that were pointed out to him referred to his own military campaign involving Persia. This would have been about a century and a half before the “forgery” as proposed by critics. |
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Moreinfoplease
User ID: 106184
7/20/2006 10:09 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
The famous Jewish historian Josephus attests to its authenticity. He says that Alexander the Great, during his war against Persia in the fourth century B.C.E., came to Jerusalem, where the priests showed him a copy of the book of Daniel. Alexander himself concluded that the words of Daniel’s prophecy that were pointed out to him referred to his own military campaign involving Persia. This would have been about a century and a half before the “forgery” as proposed by critics. |
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The Idiot
User ID: 81125
7/20/2006 10:31 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Quote:
Be cautious as an unwise move at this time may be seen as "fraudulent conveyance" or "attempted theft by deception".
Please explain how a good faith request to see the original loan document could in any way be a fraudulent conveyance or attempted theft?
HAHAHA well put C.O.
I like the part that idiot threw in about "jail time"
hopefully thr OP has enough info to start reseraching it for himself.
once people get a whiff of the truth, generally its like eating chips. Quoting: shibumi2
Shibumi
I threw in the part about jail time because many of the websites are touting asset protection strategies which are in essence "fraudulent conveyance" and yes they will land your ass in jail if caught.
Please note that I did not disagree with the concept of soveriegnty nor the fact that many of the time tested institutions are unfair or borderline criminal.
I do not think that it is wise to push someone who is in a bad, yet curable situation, into one that may fuck his life up for good. I speak out of experience, how about you? |
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shibumi2
User ID: 74188
7/20/2006 10:33 AM
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SHIBUMI2
Sorry about the post b4. Put your name in wrong spot.
Ok this is what I have. Credit Acceptance Corp is the original company that made the auto loan.
So far I have recieved a court summons with no date on it. It says I can dispute the debt by filing a "written answer or motion and proof of service" within 35 days ( that's the 2th of this month for me). Looks like I need to pay $135 to the clerk for filing it too.
The total on the summons is $5,566.01 for the balance and $606.60 for the attorney's fee.
A few days ago I got a letter saying they know I have been served with their papers. The current balance is $16,609.38.
They then say 'Wont you kindly contact our claims adjuster at ext 8 and to discuss suitable arangements for payment of this balance. Quoting: Moreinfoplease
Hi Moreinfo...is there anywhere you can post that on the web? Sounds like a summons, but also sounds like a 3rd party debt collector.
are you absolutely sure they are the originator of the loan? Did you make your check payable to them while you were making payments? The last part...about contacting their claims adjuster...is that on the so called "summons"? you could also contact the court and see if there is a pending case on file with the case number captioned on it.
the summons is different from the COMPLAINT...have you received one of those? It would spell out their complaint...ie you borrowed money...didnt pay it back..they have a note...etc....anyone can file a summons, but until there is a complaint spelling out the issues, there is no court action. sounds like they are playing with you.
so...you need to know if the summons is actually a court document and if Credit Acceptance is the ORIGINATOR of the loan...ie that you were making your checks payable to Credit Acceptance Corp.
ALSO...GOOGLE the Fair Debt Collections Practices Act and read it. Its not very long and is very clear about what debt collectors can, and cannot do. You'll be using this if C.A.C. is a 3rd party debt collector |
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Moreinfoplease
User ID: 106184
7/20/2006 10:34 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Just talked to a friend who is a debt collector. He says that since the debt is from 1996 it is no longer valid to sue for it since it is over 7yrs old. Iam looking into this also.
The famous Jewish historian Josephus attests to its authenticity. He says that Alexander the Great, during his war against Persia in the fourth century B.C.E., came to Jerusalem, where the priests showed him a copy of the book of Daniel. Alexander himself concluded that the words of Daniel’s prophecy that were pointed out to him referred to his own military campaign involving Persia. This would have been about a century and a half before the “forgery” as proposed by critics. |
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shibumi2
User ID: 74188
7/20/2006 10:37 AM
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dude...if it's over 7 years old, it almost certainly is a debt collector....if so, you're home free. |
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Moreinfoplease
User ID: 106184
7/20/2006 10:37 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
SHIBUMI2
Sorry about the post b4. Put your name in wrong spot.
Ok this is what I have. Credit Acceptance Corp is the original company that made the auto loan.
***** SUMMONS SAYS *****
So far I have recieved a court summons with no *COURT* date on it. It says I can dispute the debt by filing a "written answer or motion and proof of service" within 35 days ( that's the 2th of this month for me). Looks like I need to pay $135 to the clerk for filing it too.
The total on the summons is $5,566.01 for the balance and $606.60 for the attorney's fee.
***** LETTER FROM LAWYER SAYS *****
A few days ago I got a letter saying they know I have been served with their papers. The current balance is $16,609.38.
They then say 'Wont you kindly contact our claims adjuster at ext 8 and to discuss suitable arangements for payment of this balance.
The famous Jewish historian Josephus attests to its authenticity. He says that Alexander the Great, during his war against Persia in the fourth century B.C.E., came to Jerusalem, where the priests showed him a copy of the book of Daniel. Alexander himself concluded that the words of Daniel’s prophecy that were pointed out to him referred to his own military campaign involving Persia. This would have been about a century and a half before the “forgery” as proposed by critics. |
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Moreinfoplease
User ID: 106184
7/20/2006 10:39 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
CRAP!!!!!!! YOUR RIGHT....THE LETTER IS FROM A DEBT COLLECTOR!!!
I cant believe i missed it. You see they got all this company seals on the paper that says law this and law that. And it says they represent Credit Acceptance
The famous Jewish historian Josephus attests to its authenticity. He says that Alexander the Great, during his war against Persia in the fourth century B.C.E., came to Jerusalem, where the priests showed him a copy of the book of Daniel. Alexander himself concluded that the words of Daniel’s prophecy that were pointed out to him referred to his own military campaign involving Persia. This would have been about a century and a half before the “forgery” as proposed by critics. |
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