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| Shadow Dancer
User ID: 134567
9/19/2006 3:34 AM
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All choices have consequences, choose wisely, CHOOSE WISELY. |
| Shadow Dancer
User ID: 134567
9/19/2006 3:42 AM
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The Fair Debt Collection Practices Act is one of those RARE consumer friendly laws that come along...oh, every 230 years or so. The last one being the CONSTITUTION.
It's a pretty easy read and if you look at case law, it generally supports the consumer. Also, the Federal Trade Commission will help if you pull them into it. I always copy my letter to the FTC, whihc the scumbags HATE and it provides a lot of incentive to quit.
The address is:
Consumer Response Center
Federal Trade Commission
Washington D.C. 20580 Quoting: shibumi2
Good info
I have used the Insurance commission to back up insurance companies as they hate that as well as collectors hate the FTC
Good ideas and methods-I will research it further and pm you if needed-thx so much
very helpful and more need to be diligent about blocking them and shutting them down
 for Shibumi2 and all who added to thread-good one!
All choices have consequences, choose wisely, CHOOSE WISELY. |
| shibumi2
User ID: 74188
9/19/2006 4:16 PM
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Shibumi2,
Here is something that you might find interesting. I have no idea if it was/is valid, I just ran across it one time.
[ link to www.worldnewsstand.net]
If it still stands (or ever did) can you imagine the effects on the banking system?
Enjoy.
Hi S.C.
I'm familiar with the case and had read the decision of the lower court. The speculation was that there was no appeal as that would create a precedent, and havoc for the banking industry.
A decision of the lower court, as it stands, cannot be cited for other cases.
Essentially, the info presented in the case is factual, althought I have no way to verify the case itself. Others that have tried to pull the case from the court files in MN were told the files were missing/sealed/destroyed or never existed. Take your pick.
But the truth is the truth and the info is mostly true.
Amazing...the greatest fraud of all time and people still don't understand. I know it took me a lot of time and energy to sort thru all the nonsense and find the kernels of truth. That's why I was so pissed when some GLP'ers were deliberately posting stuff to see who got the most responses.
I've spent so much time sorting and compiling info...and i've found about 90-95% is BS. But when I DO find the good stuff, its a real rush to see it work. The OP was able to avoid filing bankruptcy and dump a $16 thousand dollar bogus debt that would have followed him for years. It's a great relief to get ones life back. |
| shibumi2
User ID: 74188
9/19/2006 4:19 PM
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The Fair Debt Collection Practices Act is one of those RARE consumer friendly laws that come along...oh, every 230 years or so. The last one being the CONSTITUTION.
It's a pretty easy read and if you look at case law, it generally supports the consumer. Also, the Federal Trade Commission will help if you pull them into it. I always copy my letter to the FTC, whihc the scumbags HATE and it provides a lot of incentive to quit.
The address is:
Consumer Response Center
Federal Trade Commission
Washington D.C. 20580
Good info
I have used the Insurance commission to back up insurance companies as they hate that as well as collectors hate the FTC
Good ideas and methods-I will research it further and pm you if needed-thx so much
very helpful and more need to be diligent about blocking them and shutting them down
for Shibumi2 and all who added to thread-good one!
Hi Shadow,
Happy to see your interest...the movement needs more people like you that are willing to open their eyes and do the work necessary to learn the truth.
Let m eknow if there is anything I can do or answer any questions. I'm not an expert, but have had good success so far with this approach. |
| mercury2 
User ID: 145456
9/19/2006 4:38 PM
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Hey mercury2...I couldn't tell from your post if you ever validated your debt...IE did you admit in writing (or in court) that the debt was yours?
Is the debt still outstanding and are you being harassed presently? Quoting: shibumi2
Hi Shibumi, the Department of Education has my loans. They bought them from the original lender, that is the meaning of "guaranteed" student loans. They bailed the lender with interest too, the lender lost nothing, and gained plenty. Personally I don't think our government should be in the business of buying bad debts.
As far as validating it, I made payments on it different times when I could, wouldn't that "validate" it in a court? I just have been very reluctant to go up against the Federal Government directly. In fact I would not do so and I don't think it's necessary.
I am "judgement proof" except for the wage garnishment issue. I have no titled property of any kind, and never have. I have some bank accounts which never have any money in them ( I am not such a fool as to leave money in the bank - many bad stories from many people about having bank accounts seized with no warning and no recourse . . not going to happen to me).
Self employment is the solution to my problem at the moment. So that is what I am working on.
I just never made the kind of income that could make a dent in this student loan balance. The interest alone is about three hundred dollars a month. I feel that throwing money at this twenty year old debt would be very foolish of me, when I am approaching middle age, have no savings of any kind, no insurance of any kind, no property of any kind. At this point my attitude is they will never get another dime out of me. I can't afford any kind of medical care, have been putting off a more or less urgent dental procedure again.
However! My life is good! I may not have made any money, but I owned a business doing something I enjoyed for many years. I was able to sell all my possessions and relocate across country a few years ago, and I have very low living expenses here. I really like my job a lot, it doesn't pay much, but I'm happy, so that counts for a lot. Also my health is good and I spend a lot on supplements and good food to keep it that way.
Anyway kind of a long rambling answer. Student loans are pretty different than other kinds of debts. Also I have found that bankruptcy lawyers don't know anything about them, I know more than they do.
The rules have changed since I took out the loans, which seems unfair in its own right, when I took out the loans, there was a statute of limitations on them, now there is no statute of limitations other than the one that says they expire when you die, and they won't collect them from your estate or your heirs.
Also when I took them out, you could discharge them in bankruptcy, now there is pretty much no way to do that.
The way to deal with these things is to never respond to them, never answer the phone, they go away for years at a time when you do not respond. Have no property that can be siezed and no wages that can be garnished. When you are self employed there are no "wages" as such that they can take. Meaning a sole proprietor. If you are a corporation and draw a paycheck with taxes withheld, they could garnish that, but then you pay yourself very little and find other ways to take compensation, there are many legitimate ways to do that.
Blah blah blah. i should make another post and tell you how I handled my tax debt. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 145548
9/19/2006 9:15 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Stick it to them!  |
| shibumi2
User ID: 74188
9/22/2006 4:33 PM
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hey mercury...the mods (i assume) deleted my rather lengthy reply for unknown reasons...
I would try and verify if it is infact the Department of Education trying to collect...my guess is that it isn't.
If not, they are in the same boat as the other third party debt collectors...
check it out and let me know |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 75141
9/22/2006 9:30 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Why don't you guys join the sui juris site and post your stuff there?
[link to www.suijuris.net] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 75141
9/22/2006 10:54 PM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 21618
9/22/2006 11:02 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
You guys will get in deeper and deeper until you find out there is no remedy, it is nothing but a giant spider web with the laws of descent and distribution at the hub. It is a word game you are not allowed to win. It is a word game on WHO owns WHAT. It is all about inheritance and who is at the top. |
| mercury2
User ID: 146772
9/22/2006 11:13 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
hey mercury...the mods (i assume) deleted my rather lengthy reply for unknown reasons...
I would try and verify if it is infact the Department of Education trying to collect...my guess is that it isn't.
If not, they are in the same boat as the other third party debt collectors...
check it out and let me know Quoting: shibumi2
Hi Shibumi, the Department of Education is the one holding the debt, and they are using the services of a third party debt collector. The thing with student loans is, they can garnish your wages without taking you to court. I believe it is the same way with the IRS. I could have fought the wage garnishment but I just wasn't comfortable picking a fight. I am going out of this one sideways rather than directly. First by reducing my hours and income to the point where it is exempt from garnishment, second by building a business on the side now, which will be very difficult for them to attach.
I just wasn't comfortable going head to head with them without proper legal advice, and that really isn't available to me in any convenient or affordable form. I would rather solidify my "judgement proof" status and just let them whistle for it.
The drag is I worry that if I ever wanted to emigrate this might trip me up. They are already doing that to people who owe child support, and also in some tax cases.
The debt is all penalties and interest and interest and penalties on the penalties and interest. It is like an IRS debt that way. I can never pay it off, so I am not going to be a fool any more and play a fool's game throwing good money after bad, when I need the money for basic living expenses. Hell, I have never owned a car, don't drive, live in a 400 sq ft studio, I am happy and glad I have the flexibility I have to deal with this the way I am dealing with it. It does suck though.
This is a great thread. And I'm glad the really bitter people who come onto some of the debt threads and hurl unwarranted bitter abuse have stayed away from this one for the most part. I wonder what their parents told them that gives them such a weird attitude about owing money. I'm sorry, the Department of Education has like an 84 billion dollar budget, and a lot of embezzlers working there, I will make about ten grand this year, so they can fuck off for now. I did what I could about the loan, and I'm done. Debt repudiation, whole countries do it, it's my turn. |
| shibumi2
User ID: 74188
9/23/2006 10:17 PM
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You guys will get in deeper and deeper until you find out there is no remedy, it is nothing but a giant spider web with the laws of descent and distribution at the hub. It is a word game you are not allowed to win. It is a word game on WHO owns WHAT. It is all about inheritance and who is at the top. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21618
wrong...the remedy is in understanding the LAW, and not falling subject to the lies and deceit...
did you even bother to read the thread?? OP, in 60 days, dumped a $16K "obligation" by going back to basics.
Take the time to learn, then comment. |
| shibumi2
User ID: 74188
9/23/2006 10:29 PM
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hey mercury...i understand the strategy and commend you for making the best of a bad situation...but if the debt is being collected by a third party debt collector, and you haven't previously validated the debt by admitting in writing or testifying in court, you can probably still get rid of the debt using very easy and basic techniques as demonstrated in the thread. Essentially, go head on with them...tell them you want to settle the debt (in writing) and need a copy of the original document. That may trip them up right there because the original is probably long gone. If they send you a copy, then we ask them to swear, under oath, that they possess the original and will allow you to schedule a visit to inspect it and will produce it in court for a judges inspection.
watch the roaches scurry then.
No original, no debt.
you didn't set the system up, but you and quite a few others have been taken for a ride....hell, we all have.
I'm not an expert, but have had good success with the approach. I'm not trying to push anything on you, but if you want to take a run at it, I will try and assist to the best of my ability. Whatever the outcome, you aren't going to be any worse off than now.
There were a few people that jumped on the morality of the debt issue, which I understand somewhat. But as you see, the majority of these charges are bogus and USURY interest rates. The OP had a 6K debt turn into 16K WTF??? Criminal.
At the same time, the debt collectors pay about 7 cents on the hundred dollars of debt. 7 cents!! Some more and some less.
Here's a question for the moralists...why don't the original debt holders just offer to settle with the DEBTORS for 7 cents on the hundred dollars????? Why indeed? Because it is a scam.
If the OP, who had an original debt of 6,000 was offered to settle for $50, he would have jumped all over that. If you "owe" 30,000 and had the chance to settle for $500, would you take it?? So why do the debt scum get that deal and you, the originator, dont???
think about it |
| shibumi2
User ID: 74188
9/23/2006 10:30 PM
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You guys will get in deeper and deeper until you find out there is no remedy, it is nothing but a giant spider web with the laws of descent and distribution at the hub. It is a word game you are not allowed to win. It is a word game on WHO owns WHAT. It is all about inheritance and who is at the top. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21618
for the system to work, people have to ROLL OVER |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 76936
9/24/2006 6:52 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Btt |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 76936
9/25/2006 6:43 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Shibumi, I have a question. We have a credit card debt and debt for a motorcycle , neither of which we've been able to make payments on in about a year. We've gotten collection letters over time and have discarded them. Now, we have another letter asking for $9,500. I'm not sure which of the two debts it's for. It's higher than either was originally, so could be either. It's from NAFS (a collection agency) and says the previous creditor was Wells Fargo (where we got both the loan and the credit card), and current creditor is Cavalry Portfolio Services (another collection agency.) How should I proceed? Use the reguest for original contract? |
| shibumi2
User ID: 74188
9/25/2006 11:50 PM
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Hey--
First, reread this thread...the OP was further along than you are in that he was already summoned to court...so you're ahead of the game.
Second, Google the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act and READ IT. It s pretty simple and straightforward. If you don't understand a word...LOOK IT UP. So read it 3 or 4 or 20 times...read it until you understand it...it's going to save you a ton of time and money so get to know it as it is your friend.
Third..you're going to send a letter something like this...
Dewey, Cheatum and Howe PC
PO Box XXX
Lowlife TX 66666-6666
Attn: Unknown—Unsigned Correspondence Received
June X, 2006
VIA: Certified Mail # _________________________
Re: Your account #666
A collection letter was received from your office on May X, 2006.
You are hereby in receipt of notice under the authority of the Fair Debt Collections Practices Act regarding your above referenced file number that part, or all, of the alleged debt is DISPUTED and hereby demand validation and verification, in writing, as follows:
1) A copy of the ORIGINAL signed contract and other supporting documentation that gave rise to the alleged obligation Dewey, Cheatum and Howe PC is claiming owed.
2) Statement, under penalty of perjury:
a. that your client is the bona fide party in interest of the contract and will produce said ORIGINAL signed contract (#1 above) for my own and a judge’s inspection should there be a trial to contest these matters.
b. the name and address of all persons, corporations, associations, legal firms or any other parties and entities having an interest in the collection or legal proceedings regarding the alleged debt.
c. that as a debt collector you have not purchased evidence of debt and are proceeding with this collection activity solely in the name of the original contracting party.
d. that you know and understand that certain clauses in a contract of adhesion are unenforceable unless the party to whom the contract is extended could have selectively rejected the clause.
e. and provide written verification from the stated creditor that you are authorized to act on their behalf in this debt collection action.
f. That Dewey Cheatum and Howe PC has taken reasonable and prudent diligence to verify that the amount claimed owed is in fact a legitimate debt prior to instigating this action and making said claims, and that all relevant correspondence has been reviewed prior to initiating this claim.
3) Production of the account and general ledger statement showing the full accounting of the alleged obligation you are attempting to collect from me, signed and sworn by the person responsible for maintaining these records and having first hand knowledge as to their accuracy and authenticity, and able to testify under oath to that effect.
Contacting me again after receipt of this notice without providing procedurally proper validation of the alleged debt constitutes a scheme of fraud by advancing a writing that you know or should know is false, with the intention that the courts and/or others rely on the written communication to impair or damage my credit rating, my reputation, my standing in the community as well as intentionally inflicting financial and emotional harm upon me. I take this notice, and my rights, very seriously and expect Dewey Cheatum and Howe to do the same.
Your firm is now the third debt collection firm to contact me in regards to this alleged debt. I have requested the exact same information from each firm and to date have received no response. In the event that this debt is not validated by you as required by the Fair Debt Collections Act, you have a legal responsibility to terminate the claim and correct any negative credit reporting which may have been made in connection with this alleged debt. You may want to obtain a legal opinion on this, but I believe that would constitute a scheme of fraud if this debt were to be resold; assuming that Dewey Cheatum and Howe PC has in fact purchased evidence of debt in this matter.
I also will not respond to any future correspondence which is not signed or does not indicate who at your firm has sent the demand for payment.
I expect timely responses to the above confirmations and that they be made in writing and sent via certified mail to the address listed below. Alternately, a letter from your firm that the matter has been satisfied and that any adverse credit reporting relating to this transaction has been expunged by the three major credit reporting agencies.
Signed
U.R. Fraud
Of course, the name of the firm, your name are going to be substituted as appropriate. When you read the Fair Debt Collections Act you'll get why you're doing this and why what is written is written. If you don't understand the letter, reread it. The letter is from YOU, so make sure it makes sense. If you fuck it up, you're still going to win, but the flies will keep after you longer because they're going to think you're stupid. As soon as they figure you aren't stupid, they quit.
I suspect that the debt is for your credit card. On the bike, they'll probably repossess it, or try to...THEN you'll get a similar letter, loaded with fat fees and weird charges. You'll end up handling it the same way, so this is your trial run. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 147892
9/26/2006 12:14 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
hey mercury...i understand the strategy and commend you for making the best of a bad situation...but if the debt is being collected by a third party debt collector, and you haven't previously validated the debt by admitting in writing or testifying in court, you can probably still get rid of the debt using very easy and basic techniques as demonstrated in the thread. Essentially, go head on with them...tell them you want to settle the debt (in writing) and need a copy of the original document. That may trip them up right there because the original is probably long gone. If they send you a copy, then we ask them to swear, under oath, that they possess the original and will allow you to schedule a visit to inspect it and will produce it in court for a judges inspection.
watch the roaches scurry then.
No original, no debt.
you didn't set the system up, but you and quite a few others have been taken for a ride....hell, we all have.
I'm not an expert, but have had good success with the approach. I'm not trying to push anything on you, but if you want to take a run at it, I will try and assist to the best of my ability. Whatever the outcome, you aren't going to be any worse off than now.
There were a few people that jumped on the morality of the debt issue, which I understand somewhat. But as you see, the majority of these charges are bogus and USURY interest rates. The OP had a 6K debt turn into 16K WTF??? Criminal.
At the same time, the debt collectors pay about 7 cents on the hundred dollars of debt. 7 cents!! Some more and some less.
Here's a question for the moralists...why don't the original debt holders just offer to settle with the DEBTORS for 7 cents on the hundred dollars????? Why indeed? Because it is a scam.
If the OP, who had an original debt of 6,000 was offered to settle for $50, he would have jumped all over that. If you "owe" 30,000 and had the chance to settle for $500, would you take it?? So why do the debt scum get that deal and you, the originator, dont???
think about it Quoting: shibumi2
Shibumi, that last part of what you wrote is so crystal clear, thanks for putting it so clearly, it really makes a lot of sense. I am too tired to make a sensible post but just wanted to quote yours to emphasize what you said.
I will keep in mind what you said about the stupid student loans too. It is a smart strategy. |
| fawnknudsen
User ID: 88188
9/26/2006 12:50 AM
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Hey OP, you need Senator Eric Madsen on your case. [link to www.teamlaw.org] |
| shibumi2
User ID: 74188
9/26/2006 1:07 AM
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There were a few people that jumped on the morality of the debt issue, which I understand somewhat. But as you see, the majority of these charges are bogus and USURY interest rates. The OP had a 6K debt turn into 16K WTF??? Criminal.
At the same time, the debt collectors pay about 7 cents on the hundred dollars of debt. 7 cents!! Some more and some less.
Here's a question for the moralists...why don't the original debt holders just offer to settle with the DEBTORS for 7 cents on the hundred dollars????? Why indeed? Because it is a scam.
If the OP, who had an original debt of 6,000 was offered to settle for $50, he would have jumped all over that. If you "owe" 30,000 and had the chance to settle for $500, would you take it?? So why do the debt scum get that deal and you, the originator, dont???
think about it
Shibumi, that last part of what you wrote is so crystal clear, thanks for putting it so clearly, it really makes a lot of sense. I am too tired to make a sensible post but just wanted to quote yours to emphasize what you said.
I will keep in mind what you said about the stupid student loans too. It is a smart strategy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 147892
You know what?? Once you see the reality of everything, you will learn that it's all a scam designed to keep you chasing your tail and searching out that non-existant person that's going to fix all your problems...the truth is once you learn the TRUTH, you can do it yourself. It isn't difficult, but certain people have a VESTED interest to keep you and the TRUTH as far apart as possible.
Someone once said "ALL PROFESSIONS ARE A CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE LAITY"...
boy is that the fucking truth.. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 37302
9/26/2006 3:02 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
HI GLP.
I have a legal/financial issue that may be going to court soon. I cannot afford to lose!
I lost my job some time ago and was unable to keep up on payments for a car loan.
While considering declaring bankruptcy I discovered the 'Straw man'/Soveriegnty websites out there. Here are the sites i have found.
[ link to www.worldnewsstand.net]
[ link to www.the7thfire.com]
[ link to www.halexandria.org]
[ link to www.wealth4freedom.com]
Does anyone know if this stuff really works? Any legal eagles out there can tell me about this or if there is an alternative recourse?
I need someone who is not just preprogrammed by the system but someone who has tried it.
No it does not work and you can end up in a lot more trouble if you go this route plus be out of money by scammers. We did go through this and all for naught. We then had documents shown to attorneys and judges for their review... filing a UCC1 Strawman will not work because you are still a citizen of the US and therefore owned by the US. To be soverign one would have to become an ex-patriot and surrender their US citizenship. The best thing is to go through bankruptcy, if you cannot get a payment plan set up where you can handle your debt. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 76936
9/26/2006 10:35 AM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Thanks Shibumi,
I'm reading up on the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act now. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 76936
9/26/2006 12:04 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
This would seem to be the most pertinent part of the FDCPA:
§ 809. Validation of debts [15 USC 1692g]
(a) Within five days after the initial communication with a consumer in connection with the collection of any debt, a debt collector shall, unless the following information is contained in the initial communication or the consumer has paid the debt, send the consumer a written notice containing --
(1) the amount of the debt;
(2) the name of the creditor to whom the debt is owed;
(3) a statement that unless the consumer, within thirty days after receipt of the notice, disputes the validity of the debt, or any portion thereof, the debt will be assumed to be valid by the debt collector;
(4) a statement that if the consumer notifies the debt collector in writing within the thirty-day period that the debt, or any portion thereof, is disputed, the debt collector will obtain verification of the debt or a copy of a judgment against the consumer and a copy of such verification or judgment will be mailed to the consumer by the debt collector; and
(5) a statement that, upon the consumer's written request within the thirty-day period, the debt collector will provide the consumer with the name and address of the original creditor, if different from the current creditor.
(b) If the consumer notifies the debt collector in writing within the thirty-day period described in subsection (a) that the debt, or any portion thereof, is disputed, or that the consumer requests the name and address of the original creditor, the debt collector shall cease collection of the debt, or any disputed portion thereof, until the debt collector obtains verification of the debt or any copy of a judgment, or the name and address of the original creditor, and a copy of such verification or judgment, or name and address of the original creditor, is mailed to the consumer by the debt collector.
(c) The failure of a consumer to dispute the validity of a debt under this section may not be construed by any court as an admission of liability by the consumer.
So I should send the letter within 30 days disputing the debt and asking for the ORIGINAL signed contract to verify the debt (#4). Shibumi, where do you find that only the ORIGINAL contract is valid as verification? Thanks! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 76936
9/26/2006 6:04 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Ok! Just re-read this thread for the THIRD time! I'm blind LOL.
But now it's perfectly clear why the original is necessary. Thanks again! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 76936
9/30/2006 5:28 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
btt |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 136331
5/10/2007 12:38 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Quote:
Be cautious as an unwise move at this time may be seen as "fraudulent conveyance" or "attempted theft by deception".
Please explain how a good faith request to see the original loan document could in any way be a fraudulent conveyance or attempted theft? Quoting: captain obvious 118839
There is no way to explain bullshit.I don't believe a word he posted. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 258566
6/28/2007 1:42 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Anybody know what happened to wealth4freedom.com?
I understand the government shut down these type sites?
worldnewstand links to some consumer site now instead of the old material on sovereigns too. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1265
7/27/2007 2:29 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
shibumi2
What if the complaint is from a local attorney reresenting Citibank?
Thanks |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1265
7/27/2007 2:38 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
Is this true?
In a commercial note with a NATIONAL bank (Citibank/Bank 1, Wells Fargo...all the large banks) the original (signed) mortgage is LONG GONE. Credit cards too. I once got a credit card ONLINE...there never was a fucking signature...I told them to go pound sand...and they went away. |
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7/27/2007 3:15 PM | | Re: HELP! Legal Straw Man and Sovereignty UCC-1 theory valid? | Quote |
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