FACT: Most of the time nice guys DO finish last!!

This sounds like justification of your own failures with women.

Actually I've been pretty successful. How bout you?

No, it sounds like the truth of it.

We DO finish last because we throw a high powered BOB on the little man in the boat to make sure she finishes first.

The reasons are myriad but the fact is still a fact. If women are to blame for part of it is in telling men that is what they really want repeatedly with their words and then constantly showing otherwise with their actions.

As men we have to acknowledge this fact and stop listening to their words and watching their actions. Or at least paying more attention to their actions over their words. Otherwise we have no one to blame but ourselves eventually.

It means doing the opposite of what they say they want often and is weird and pointless game imo. But it is what it is.

Disclaimer: not all women are the same blah blah bleh bluh

There is a difference between being a jerk and being a man.

Took me till about 30 before I learned that lesson.

Good luck OP, and don't fail as a human and resort to smacking.

I said I would never get married.Un-till I met my wife.They are out there.

You don't have to treat her "like shit"

Just say "no" every now and then.

And even if you are feeling a bit clingy and needy, don't show it.

If they test you with sex talk or stuff to get a rise out of you change the subject or better yet say nothing at all.

nice girls don't even get to finish :(

There is no need to treat a woman "like shit". Like any relationship, to gain respect you must earn it. If anyone does something unacceptable to you you make it clear that you cannot tolerate it. Then be big enough (man enough) to walk away if the person persists. Everyone needs boundaries and everyone needs a challenge. If you are a person who allows others to walk on you then women won't trust you enough to defend them when needed. Any seemingly adverse treatment from them is simply an attempt to wake up the man within, thats all any woman wants. Take up the challenge, don't resent it or misinterpret it. It's up to you to lead, women know it instinctively and are waiting for savvy and capable men to do this.

Drawing a line and refusing what's unacceptable isn't being a jerk, it's being a confident, competent human being. Your misunderstanding of this is what makes you think you're a jerk for acting on it and the woman is a jerk for expecting it. Damn right a woman shouldn't respect a doormat, and damn right you shouldn't be one.

This is a true statement, another important aspect though is creating the illusion of being to busy for them.

If you seem always available to a woman she won't appreciate the time she has with you, therefore not having respect for you.

Also always try to make yourself tall around women, even if your not tall you can create the perception.

Touch the ceiling around them playfully, put your hand down hard on their shoulder to kinda push them down.

You can lift a girl off the ground but becareful many girls do not like this, so you could piss them off cas it scares them, etc.. But it does work.

Depending on the type of girl, usually the more social butterfly types they like to be teased constantly if you get to rough housing with them make sure you slide your knee in between their legs and their panties will drop faster than you can say... fill in the blank

No the good guys all are saved and finish first.

Eternal life for them all.

For crying out loud. This sounds like a sad little Napoleon.

I believe it is called a Putin complex now.

No its just what works with women, I'm 5'10 myself but, certain girls like the perception of a guy being manly around them, and you can display that by just acting tall around them, not being slouched over, having good posture, etc. I tried it around this one girl and she was getting turned on by just me touching the ceiling around her. This is just one of many tips but it does work I have tried this around many girls.

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I thought I was bucking the trend, but it turns out I was just being self delusional. In reality I am an asshole, not the nice guy i may think I am.

No that's not true. Nice guys finish, and last. While the mean guy may succeed for a short season, he burns up. The nice guy is still there. Maybe fake nice guts who only think they are nice think this

Women respect & appreciate confidence just like men do, but in regards to what you describe, it seems like you're going for the low hanging fruit. .

MGTOW has gotten quite popular lately, and another man has seen through the Twatosphere for what it is!

No rational male wants to deal with a used up cunt who's banged assholes, shitbags, thugs, bad boys, douchebags and scumbags, and is now past her good looks failing miserably to convince and make fools out of any man of her interest that those guys weren't REALLY what she was seeking, she's a victim of them.

Women control sex and feel empowered from fucking as many losers and thugs as their looks hold out, but decent MEN control long term and stability, and opting out men are!

Bad boys get a lot of press. Girls who go after bad boys have issues. Both burn out fast and have unfulfilling lives.

Better to be good, honest, and loving. Love endures.

That is splendid!!! You sir...have my respect.

Ahhh shut up Francis. You have porn. Use it. Actually you NEED to use it. Damned you are uptight.

First time posting but had to jump in here.

Until I started listening to Tim Leykis I never would have believed that to be true. There is something about most chicks that has them hard wired to like guys that are dicks. How many times have you wondered why some hot girl is with such an asshole? If you are after hookups rather than relationship, google Tom and let the professor show you the way.

OP

There is chateaux hearstiste, return of kings, vox day's alpha game and many others that explain "Game" and MGTOW. NEVER apologize for being a Man. Ignore the women, pay attention to what they do, not what they say. Women want: financial security, social status, but they MUST have passion INsecurity. They want and crave knowing the sugar daddy beta man they are with is HIGH RANKING and has SMV and OPTIONS.

Here is an example. Men go to strip clubs to see women strip totally naked cause that is the stripper's job.

Women go to strip clubs to see hot men strip almost naked; wearing firefighter hats, police holsters, cowboy stetsons, business suit ties and doctor's stethoscopes. The male stripper's job is to be hot and socially and financially desirable.

Of course, this is all fantasty, but you can clearly see the difference. The former, all the female has to do is look hot and young and slutty. The latter, the dude better have a job.

UNLESS....he is a "Bad boy" then watch out! The whole strip club floor will be covered ankle deep with vaginal fluids whipped to a froth from the screaming old spinsters sick of the weekly "tuna smears and kitty licking routine".

I agree with this OP.
Just replace the word "jerk" with "assertive" or "confident", because from what I'm seeing in these responses, some people think that what you are saying is for men to act like total dicks if they want to attract women.

Western women and westernized women are probably some of the most spoiled women on this planet.
Guys have to stop kissing ass and say no to them sometimes, especially if she is disrespecting you.

Just realize you lose in the end period. Nice, jerkish, witty, cunning, funny, unconfident, confident, etc... Its easy to get a western woman, impossible to satisfy her. Just make sure you never forget about your happiness and progression in life...NOTHING...I REPEAT NOTHING WILL GUARANTEE YOU FINISH FIRST WITH WOMEN...Dont expect anything from these ladies man. Then you will be good

Chuuuch

Great point, MGTOW wisdom, keep it going!

Look at any dating profile. Twats now expect men to be the PERFECT balance of "assertive" and "passive", ("social party asshole" and "submissive beta"), like a switch on his back she can flip at her cuntrol when she needs either behavior.

A growing number of younger men are now spotting the growing cancer feminism has infected twats with, and more seasoned men are sharing just how bad shit has really become and men are listening to them in order to make sense why they were taught about women incorrectly from their childhood, the opposite of what they believed.

It will be dark stormy weather in Cupcakeville, and hell to pay against men who decided to MAN OUT and ignore twats for a better life solo, leaving behind an army of liberated strong independent frustrated twats who will never find "the one".

Look just be yourself. There is advice about being a man out there but all men can be hurt...even assholes have expectations and feelings. Men have to remember that women are the most unpredictable of the two species.

They are controlled by their emotions. This isn't a bad or good thing...it is what it is.

Once you realize their nature, you will always be comfortable in your own skin. Dont overthink or research what women want. You cannot reason w the unreasonable. This is actually why you should love that you are a man. Also, on the contrary, that is why women embrace who they are as a species.

The Rock said it best..."Know your role, and shut your mouth!"