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So you've created an invention or have an idea for an invention what to do next

 
Sam Fox 76
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So you've created an invention or have an idea for an invention what to do next
I felt that this could be just a get away from all the doom and gloom to help people to become creative and maybe turn that idea into an actual sellable product.

Let me start off by saying that idea's are easy; but, taking the idea from thought to reality is a whole different story.

The journey from idea to product is always pie in the sky. If I create this great product everyone will buy it and I will make millions of dollars. In reality the chances of this happening is less than 1%.

Where to go from here? You have to ask yourself what are your trying to solve and how do you get it to market.

I am an inventory and I am a business person. These are two different thought processes. I wanted to share some of the information that I know with the people here on glp and I hope that other people will be able to do the same.

When I started on my journey it was all about the money. The older that I got the more I realized that it is about the journey. Just think about buying a lottery ticket. You know your chances are not that great. You decide to spend $1.00 for the possibility of making millions. The same goes for creating an invention.

My number one and two pieces of advice are to never let anyone tell you that you can't do that. This should start the fire under you to get moving with your idea. Always invest in yourself.

When I started on my journey I picture the product in my head and I am able to break the product down to the lowest working component and determine how to better improve each component.

Once I go through the steps in my head I draw the idea on a piece of paper. I learned about this strategy from The Big Idea with Donny Deutsch. What this does is put thought into action. This can be applied to starting a business.

The next step that I do is make a cheap prototype. What this does is prove the concept can work. The problem with prototypes that new inventors make is they get other people to do their work for them; because they are afraid of failure. My piece of advice is that you probably will fail if you don't ever try.

Once I am able to see the product work; then, I am ready for the next step. This one people will disagree with me on. I tell people about my idea. What I have figured out in life is that most people are too afraid to tell people because they are afraid that someone will steal the idea. I am going to tell you this that most people will not steal the idea; because they are too lazy to face the challenges of getting the product to market. What this does is to help you determine if there is any market viability of your product. I highly recommend doing this; before, spending anymore time energy or money on your product.

This is when people start giving up.

This next stage is what costs a lot of money, time, energy, dedication, family problems, stress, and other issues.

My advice that you have to ask yourself are you willing to do what it takes to get your product to market? This is where you have to grow a set of steel balls.

1) Determine what type of protection that you need for your product or business.

Do I need a patent, trademark, non-disclosure agreement, attorney, engineers, certification, business license, bond, insurance, and other types of protection.

Just remember that these cost as little as a few hundred dollar to upwards of $100's of thousands of dollars. (Don't invest if you don't think the market is large enough)

People always try to do this the cheapest route and it bites them in the butt in the end.

Build a professional prototype that you can truly present to customers or do a control group study (this will cost you a few thousand dollars to pay for peoples time). They will give you honest feedback. The question that you have to ask yourself is this going to be money well spent.

I am going to stop for today; but, I will continue on throughout this week.
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09/17/2014 11:09 PM
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Re: So you've created an invention or have an idea for an invention what to do next
Do NOT go to a "Patent Research Company"

I spent 6 months going to the library (pre-internet) every weekend and doing my own patent searches because the "company" wanted $5,000 to do "market research" and do pie graphs and a whole bunch of other stuff.

...But only AFTER telling them WHAT it is.

Somehow, about 8 months after my visit, my invention of "Screenies" came out mass-produced in the market. ( [link to www.bettermousepads.com]

If you have an idea -- DON'T share it until after you have protection. (Whatever THAT is).

For example:

Let's say you invent a widget that attaches to your monitor.
HOW does it attach?
If your patent says "with velcro", someone ELSE will re-patent it with a minor change to the design. Saying "attach with sticky tape".

Voila'. It's stolen.

Just exercising poor judgement and sharing some personal experiences on the internet w/a bunch of loonies.
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09/17/2014 11:23 PM
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Re: So you've created an invention or have an idea for an invention what to do next
Do NOT go to a "Patent Research Company"

I spent 6 months going to the library (pre-internet) every weekend and doing my own patent searches because the "company" wanted $5,000 to do "market research" and do pie graphs and a whole bunch of other stuff.

...But only AFTER telling them WHAT it is.

Somehow, about 8 months after my visit, my invention of "Screenies" came out mass-produced in the market. ( [link to www.bettermousepads.com]

If you have an idea -- DON'T share it until after you have protection. (Whatever THAT is).

For example:

Let's say you invent a widget that attaches to your monitor.
HOW does it attach?
If your patent says "with velcro", someone ELSE will re-patent it with a minor change to the design. Saying "attach with sticky tape".

Voila'. It's stolen.

Just exercising poor judgement and sharing some personal experiences on the internet w/a bunch of loonies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55534957


Patent law states that the change has to be well distinguished; not, just a minor change. I agree with you 100% on the above stated information. It is through these life lessons that we can prevent other people from making the same mistake.

Another point on telling people. Always use good judgement and common sense when talking to people about your idea. Don't go tell a large corporation. Talk to friends, family, church members, and some people that you don't know. Don't discuss anything about the design. Just tell them about the idea. This way that you can protect yourself. Sorry for not going into more detail regarding my above statement. You can also get them to sign an NDA if it makes you more comfortable. If someone doesn't want to sign do not disclose.
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09/21/2014 10:14 PM
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Re: So you've created an invention or have an idea for an invention what to do next
I want to start off by saying thanks to AC for telling about your personal experience with others. This will help others not make the same mistake.

I would like to further discuss AC's comment about going to a patent research company. The problems with these companies is that they are there to make money through any means necessary. When going to these companies they are not there for the best interest of the inventor. This is a lesson that I had to learn myself. This is the reason that I stated to just apply a little bit of common sense when talking to people about your invention.

This is one example of a little common sense approach. You have a great idea. It is a new software for x product. You decide to go talk to a person that works for x company about your product without any protection. X person takes the product and creates it for himself to get promoted. X company does a press release and your product is in their press release. You don't want to talk to these types of people until you are protected.

Here are a few examples of people that you want to avoid or proceed with caution until you have protection in place.
VC firms
Angle Investors
Investors
Other inventors unless you are good friends with them
Sharing your ideas on an open forum
Business owners unless you personally know them
Large and medium corporations
and etc.


It is always better to do a market survey; before, spending a lot of money on a new product.

What this survey will help you to do is create a business plan or an action plan. It will also show you if their is a need and demand for your product.

PROTECTION
There are a few different types of patent's that you can pursue. There was a current change to patent law. The new law states that it is a first to file instead of first to invent. If you think you have the best idea since sliced bread and do not want to go through the prototyping stage. I recommend first doing a patent search through Google Patent or US Patent Office. See if there are any patents that are similar to your patent. If there are patents similar to yours. You have to make sure the change that you are doing are well distinguished over the existing product. This is not as simple as a material change or adding an extra screw. Once you feel that there might be a chance I would recommend talking to a patent attorney's office and have them conduct a patent search. You are protected under Attorney–client privilege. This will cost a few hundred dollars; but, they will do a thorough job and make sure that you can get protection. You can also go through legal zoom to get this done. Just a piece of advice if you send it off to an online company. Do you research to see if they have stolen anyone's product or ripped off any clients. Here is a great resource for you. [link to www.ripoffreport.com.]

Once you see that you can get protection it is time to really move forward with your product. You can either get the attorney's office to submit for a provisional patent or go through an online patent company. One that I found was good and cheap was [link to www.propatents.com (secure)] They were very professional and did a great job for me. I would also recommend LegalZoom. My recommendation is to always have an attorney fill out and file your patent application. You cannot afford to mess this up. If you are smart enough and up to the challenge I would say go right ahead. Once you have the patent submitted to the US Patent Office this allows you 12 months of protection. The cost can be as little as $300 and up to a few thousand. This will allow you to tell people the product is patent pending. Almost all companies and potential thieves are not willing to steal your idea; because, they do not want to face litigation. You still need to proceed with caution; until, you get the full patent. this doesn't always guarantee you protection. There is nothing that can absolutely guarantee to protect your product from theft. Once example is counterfeit nike shoes.

When you go and present a new product to a large corporation or a VC firm or investor have them sign an NDA (non-disclosure agreement). If you are looking at possibly having other manufactures build your product have them sign an NDA with a non-compete clause. This will prevent them from creating a competing product with your product. If they are not willing to sign you have to ask yourself if you are willing to move forward with this company. Do not show any details of the product without them signing. I can tell you that legitimate companies will be willing to sign an NDA. I have dealt with billion dollar companies before and they have signed NDA's. It might take a few days for you to get it back; but, you will get it back if the company is truly sincere about your product.

If you are trying to close a large company on a sale. They might ask you to leave the product with them. You will have to apply your gut feeling about the company and make a decision about your product safety.

Once you have the professional prototype and patent pending status you are ready to move forward with your product. This will allow you to get investors, buyers, purchase orders, and you can even license the technology to a company.

I am not an attorney. I am just an inventor and business owner trying to offer advice to help future inventors to avoid lands mines. You can either choose to take the safe route or just swing it. By justing building and starting to sell your product this can either bring in great reward for you are cost you everything. If anyone say's that you will become a billionaire overnight. Tell them to stop drinking.





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