Serious discussion - Georgia Guide Stones - what's wrong with them?

They reflect the arrogance of man and will be stricken from the record.

They are arrogant and presumptuous.

The authors hide themselves from the scrutiny of others who could judge their merits, character and authority to write such "suggestions" and determine if they are truly wise enough to guide anyone let alone the whole world.

if you take the time to read the book that was just published about the united nations...and there plans for New World Order...u will find a few of the exact same....new ten commandments.....are directly connected to the georgia guidestones....u do the math ..united nations....sounds like it means what....all nations united into one....think about it...and maintaining anything doesnt mean that if your aquarium is overflowing let it be...it can go either way ...add to it or take from it to maintain it.....

That's the word I was searching for - "arrogance". Yes, but man has been taught or indoctrinated in this arrogance. It's not a naturally occurring thing. Simply due the systems man has put in place, humanity will be "stricken from the record", that is not in doubt.

Yet the two largest world religions teach anti-nature, so the stones are not entirely out of context in this regard?

The mainstay of the largest religions is that "Man has dominion over ALL things" - irrespective of anything which was created or evolved before him. That does not fit with the natural universe at all.

Why would this be so all pervading? In what way does it enhance creation for man to believe he is so superior?

Yes, thank you, the aquarium thing makes it clearer. However, it is patently obvious that the current way of doing things has resulted in the destruction we have now, why would any one want to ensure humanity does it all over again? Surely, if one didn't have a beef against something, why destroy it for no reason?

Actually, the stones do appear to be trying to prevent a re-occurrence, but still maintain the control/slave structure. This must benefit someone in some way - but who? and to what end? We are talking about eons here, not just some bloke who wants to "rob the bank" so he can live comfortably and he can leave a good stash for his kids. Who, or what, is it that considers sorting things out so that his/it's off-spring in 1000 generations time are well off?

Humans rarely consider beyond thier grandchildren at best.

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Who, or what, is it that considers sorting things out so that his/it's off-spring in 1000 generations time are well off?

It's the same mindset that created class distinction that Britain was noted for during its history.

A superiority complex that's ego driven leads to the delusion that one can guide humanity as their vision and wisdom is unimpeachable.

It's a materialists sense of false immortality that their seed must triumph over others. The strong swimmer gets the prize.

the whole maintaining the population at 500 million troubles me a bit..it should you. I met an Agenda 21 guy..believe he was a mercenary. I believe he kills people for a living. He didn't hesitate to say there are way too many people on the planet and agenda 21 is coming like it or not. Aside from killing 92 % of the people on the planet, just whom would be running the show at that point? No thanks. I think it's God's job to keep us in check. Not some Soros like meat puppet.

O.K., sure, agreed, but all that is relatively "recent". Class distinction and so on only really shows up from Sumerian/Ancient Egypt times. As far as I know it shows up in Peru around the same period. It appears that Stone Age/Bronze Age/Iron Age class distinction wasn't really there to any great extent. Certainly some were held in higher regard - elders or wise men, but the true ruler/slave thing is more recent than that.

I may be wrong, but that's the impression I have anyway.

Anyway, are we agreed that the stones are "evil", or of "evil" intent?

Does anyone disagree? Someone erected them, someone out there must have an alternative view - that perhaps there is indeed good intent? Anyone with these views want to add to the discussion?

despite some of their 'lofty sounding' principles, I believe the stones are evil. they say something to the fact that when 92% of the population is dead, and you no longer believe in God...the world will be a better place. Ironic that the person who commissioned them was RC Christian.

Yes, I 100% agree on that score. The thing is, if humanity had not been so arrogant, and left it up to Nature to use her checks and balances, population would indeed be around 1 1/2 to 2 billion - that is what she maintained it at for millenia. All that happened was humanity - simply because it believes it's far cleverer - over rode all that with disease control/elimination, saving of life at all costs etc. If we had just concentrated medicine on prevention of suffering, NOT saving of every life, there would be no over-population, nature is pretty remarkable in achieving balance and equilibrium.

Having said that, even if we simply changed our ways right now, and let everyone die as nature decided, just making sure they were as comfortable as possible during the process, it wouldn't be long before nature managed to restore the balance - there is no requirement for mass-murder.

"Maintain" would imply that the population is 500,000,000 and it's not. To reach that number a lot of people have to die.

^^^^ this..and who gets to choose? every evil people

No, no - I see the stones as "instructions" for a post-apocalyptic event. I read that particular statement as saying don't let over-population occur again, AFTER this event, which is absolutely garaunteed to happen, when you set about re-building.

My argument is that humanity does not need to do the maintaining - all we need do is accept that Nature has had milenia before we came along to figure out the best methods of doing that.

The way I would have worded that is "Whilst minimising suffering, allow Nature to maintain the population" - something like that.

My gripe is that it's worded as if humanity is cleverer than the Universe, or God, or whatever, and so needs to step in and do the "maintaining".

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To be the ones that choose would indeed be the evil ones.
to task that job in itself is evil.

Who decides? When and where.
one day mother nature is going todecide unless TPTB have already made thathappening... which with viruses and nano technology may be on its way to apandemic nearyou

Exactly! Let Nature do what she does - she's damn good at it. Nature doesn't care about suffering, it has no physical effect on her. So she would not mind if we concentrated on relieving it in a dying human, we could put all our resources and intelligence into that. It's the over-riding of her checks and balances that she is almost powerless to overcome which has caused this current situation.

This does not mean that WE now have to correct it with mass murder, but we CAN just let her correct it over time, provided we stop trying to over-rule Nature. This is not something any ruler or controller has to decide, it just a way of thinking that we all would have to accept individually.

I don't see anything wrong with them - freedom of speech and all that. All those countries with unchecked population growth and people living on just $2 per day - WTH? They have got to be retarded - getting rid of a bunch of them through Ebola is no great loss in the big picture of the Earth's history.

Human natures basic operating system is self interest. So I imagine that during those earlier ages you've mentioned it was no different. There was a class system then to as the physically strongest and best hunters were revered. I think wise elders came later once the mind became more developed and the right brain kicked in more after basic needs were met.

I think your take on the stones being a post apocalyptic guide may be as you Brits say, spot on.

What the stones should add on is this.

Beware of entities that profess to lead and guide you, for they are the very same that brought you to this misery that causes you to stand here and read.

P.S. and let no man own the world.

I wonder why "2014" has been added to the guidestones?

Yes, you put that very well, thank you. I do though make a distinction between "revered" and "rulers". The best hunters or those who could work out best what to do in immediate danger would certainly have been revered, as is the Alpha Male, or Matriach is in nature - but they do not "rule" over the others - they are followed because that is the sensible, or most efficient/effective thing to do.

I have nothing to say or add to your statements I have bolded - says it all.

Thank you for your contribution - this is a genuine discussion, and there would be none if there were no opposing points of view. Anyone else wish to expand on this viewpoint?

"Classy" thread OP. Pun intended. Thanks for it. Have a great day. AC out.

To me they represent someone's understanding of what's coming to our global society. Someone know's that humanity will have a reset and we will have to try our best to hold on to some of the technology we've developed.

We are approaching something I call "The Shift". As we've advanced there's been "revolutions" that greatly altered the human experience and what was "normal". The agriculture revolutions that allowed us to become city dwellers, the industrial revolution that allowed us to mass produce things. Each one of these types of advances pushed humanity into a new paradigm, however, there were major consequences. Things like uprisings, overthrows of kings / queens, the abolition of the Feudal system (I know it could be argued that Feudalism still exists, I get it). With each human existence paradigm shift throughout our history, wars, famines, diseases, revolutions, et al, have come along for the ride. This is because of the massive disruption to the traditional ways of doing things.

Now look at today. Today everything is changing, like it or not. More and more books are disappearing from our education system, less and less is being written down on paper, more things are being stored digitally in the cloud or on hard drives and computers. People are communicating using electronic means, text messages, email, online chats and forums such as GLP. As we get more and more "advanced" through our technology we become smarter in different areas and largely lose the intelligence of other things. For example, today more and more people have the knowledge of how to do things on computers, set up networks, establish data transfers between each other. More people are familiar with digital and electronic technologies to where it's not a foreign concept and we can largely troubleshoot our own technology. We've grown to a high level of sophistication, on the individual level, with high technology. However, that doesn't mean we're actually more intelligent, it simply means our intelligence has been driven in a different area. In general individuals in society, today, know how to operate their advanced computing technologies, yet don't know how to grow their own food in a way that is sustainable. Many grow their cute little gardens from seeds they got at Home Depot or something, but they do not know how to manage a large growing area to sustain many people. They do, however, know how to sustain server "farms" for the distribution of information.

Here's the scary part. If something happens down the road we're screwed. Yeah, sure, you and I might survive because of a better understanding of many disciplines, but in large, hum any will not. As we transition the common person is losing the knowledge of building, farming, survival. Our society is moving away from the hand written word, the book, and other physical information mediums. If there is a collapse where we lose all electricity for a long time, like decades, we're looking at a situation where, after a generation, many will have to learn how to write a language by hand. There will not be any libraries full of physical books full of information, and those that do remain will be like the legendary library at Alexandria, Egypt. We will lose everything as a society and we will have to start over.

The crazy thing is I don't think this will be the first time it's happened.

I think that each time this "collapse" happens and humanity is forced to start over there is a pocket of elite that hold on to everything. They keep their technology, they keep everything and they keep advancing. Perhaps UFOs and "aliens" are nothing more than the elites from the previous human civilization on Earth that survived their collapse.

Imagine if that's the case and they've been in communication with our current elite. Imagine if what I said were true and they knew it. Do they say anything? Or do they create a situation where those that "feel" something coming and make the effort to learn how to survive such things are marginalized and not taken seriously so they are the ones with the best chance of survival?

Turning point - the date is written going "around a corner". I think whoever it is, is stating that this was the year when the tipping point was reached - there is no going back now, we no longer have the opportunity to prevent Armageddon. It's not stating that this IS the year of apocalypse - just that this is the year of no return.

The year of the fall

It's secretive NWO crap and it needs to be bulldozed

seriously..accidentally smash it into little pieces.

I apologise for the delay in reply to your post sir, I read it in depth in order to fully take on board what you are saying. It is evident that throught recent history - post sort of Iron Age - that "civilisations" have risen and fallen. I see this as a direct consequence of humanity - only some groups mind - being so arrogant as to think they were more intelligent and "above" creation. Now this arrogance is not natural, it appears to have really got going around 8 to 10 thousand years ago.

If we were to leave everything as is regarding technology, but removed the "arrogance", things would be quite different and sustainable.

Let's take the use of the wheel for example. Nature does not use the wheel anywhere, she uses legs for mobility. However, since we found the wheel useful, there is no real reason why we should not make use of it's dicovery - BUT - Nature restricted human mobility to 5 to 15 miles an hour. If we had not been so arrogant, we would have thought about that and looked to see why nature did this. The only time a human naturally travels at 50 miles an hour is off the top of a cliff, and that is ALWAYS disasterous! If we had just thought about it, and followed nature, restricting our speeds wheel or not, and built our way of life around that natural limitation, we would not have all the pain and misery on our roads today. We would be far better off.

Also electricity. Nature uses electricity all the time - but only in minute quantities. She uses it extensively for signalling in every living thing, but NEVER in sufficient quantities to cause harm. Even lightning is tempered with rain 99% of the time. If we had again, just stayed within the parameters that nature has already discovered to be the most useful and efficient, we could still have computers and low power electronics, we just wouldn't have huge high energy power lines and machinery, which uses electricity as brute force, setting fire to our homes and electrocuting people.

It is not the technology which has been our downfall, it is the arrogance which we have shown toward nature when implementing it which has caused this situation we find ourselves in today.

The Guide Stones, in my view, don't do anything to change this. That is where I find them wrong - they say nothing which would create balance and equilibrium - and that is what the Universe strives for, balance and equilibrium.

I'm not yet going to advocate it being buldozed, though the more we discuss this the more inclined I am toward that thought. I don't believe it's all that "secretive" - more "deceptive", which is just as bad, if not worse!

We seem to be working through the deception in this thread, and awakening to, or exposing, the real agenda.

I must say I am surprised that some who agree with the architects haven't come forward yet to put thier point of view across.

It seems the notch corner was filled this year somtime but was notched out in 2009

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

From Wikipedia
A message consisting of a set of ten guidelines or principles is engraved on the Georgia Guidestones in eight different languages, one language on each face of the four large upright stones. Moving clockwise around the structure from due north, these languages are: English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindi, Hebrew, Arabic, Chinese, and Russian.
1.Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2.Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
3.Unite humanity with a living new language.
4.Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
5.Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6.Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7.Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8.Balance personal rights with social duties.
9.Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.

Into the top of the English stone was a notch carved, which was there from at least 2009. In September 2014 this notch was filled with a small stone which reads "20" and "14" on the both visible sides. It's unclear who placed this nor what it means.

I don't care what loopy phrases is has.

What I don't like about it - is that it is an ugly structure and needs to be re-designed. What did they do? pour concrete into a simple 2x10 frame, let it dry, and then raise them up? It looks like there should be a large mobile home park behind it or something.