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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 62423091  Ireland09/21/2014 07:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now THIS I would like to hear more about. Are humans just pawns being used as "weapons" in some war between entities beyond this particular plane of existance? I can see the plausibility of that. The "enemy" of creation could subvert part of that self same creation and turn it against other creations by the same creator. But why would the main religions assist the "enemy"? Which they seem to do in thier teachings and actions. Ephesians 6;12 King James Bible For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 63024603  United States09/21/2014 07:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All Evil inflicted upon humanity (God's image) is not the fault of God. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63024603 Let me explain... A parent tells their kid not to play in the street. The obedience of the child to their parent will keep the child safe. Once the child disobeys and goes out to the street and gets killed by a car, this is the fault of the child because the child left the protective circle that the parent established. except the difference is no good parent would EVER just let their kid die if that happened if they could help it. Yet your God would. What does that say about it? Not much good to me. you have a finite understanding, therefore you can never fully understand your Creator. So you have confusion? Doubts? Bring it to Him and have Him help you. There's another thing. We're always told that we can't understand the nature of God. If we can't, how can you? How does that work? I cannot, nor can anyone else FULLY understand the nature of God. But through humility and obedience and PRAYER we come closer to God and He reveals Himself to us. He hides Himself from the proud and reveals Himself to the childlike. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 63024603 United States09/21/2014 07:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All Evil inflicted upon humanity (God's image) is not the fault of God. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63024603 Let me explain... A parent tells their kid not to play in the street. The obedience of the child to their parent will keep the child safe. Once the child disobeys and goes out to the street and gets killed by a car, this is the fault of the child because the child left the protective circle that the parent established. The world you see it today, the world in all its chaos and confusion and madness is but a product of leaving the protective fold of God. He set up his first covenant with Moses, laying down new boundaries in order to keep peace and safety. Then the new covenant of Jesus allowed all people to be welcomed into this fold of protection with "death to the old self" and becoming "reborn of the spirit". You will know when this happens because you will feel like an infant born into a new mind and spirit. O.K., sort of....but that is not really seen in the natural world, all other creation protects it's young from harm for it's formative years - yes, even with some scolding, (an animal will scold an errant offspring). But nature doesn't do controllers or rulers or "worshipping". Yet mainstream religions teach this throughout. Why? it's not "natural". worship is simply the response one has when they encounter God. You either do that or fall flat on your face. haha |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1985627  Canada09/21/2014 07:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now THIS I would like to hear more about. Are humans just pawns being used as "weapons" in some war between entities beyond this particular plane of existance? I can see the plausibility of that. The "enemy" of creation could subvert part of that self same creation and turn it against other creations by the same creator. But why would the main religions assist the "enemy"? Which they seem to do in thier teachings and actions. Of course they are being used, the complexity of mankind dictates that we will be a spectrum, from end to end. Nobody is the same, and this creates a unique and complicated set of circumstances for us as humans to work through. Spiritual warfare: when you are lead without a leader. Stuck in the desert without a cry to be heard |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 62423091 Ireland09/21/2014 07:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I can see I'm gonna be getting myself in a big knot here - am soon gonna be contradicting myself all over the shop! Please do point it out when I do. Quoting: odaeio Pointing it out. I can't tell what you're even trying to really get at, here. You're all over the place and nowhere at the same time. God is sacred, and if you are coming at God from a profane place, you will not find him. Whether you believe in God or not, your objections should be voiced from a place of respect and your questions should directly address your core sticking points. Yeah if you approach God in arrogance and try to pay Him or steal from Him what you need he will not reciprocate. If you are asking from an arrogant positon it's like you want to be God and compete so no reason for Him to help the competition, and if you approach Him in despression trying to guilt trip Him he won't help you becuase you won't aprreciate it and he loves you too much to encourage that kind of behaviour. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 62911607  United Kingdom09/21/2014 07:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The failure of your post is your obvious narcissism. You believe that you are the first person to have this critique of religion (which, by the way, you use broadly when you really mean to hone in on Judeo-Christian-Islamic theology) You aren't the first, it's not an original thought. It's not worthy of a rehash, it's elementary. If these were your real concerns you could settle them in moments by doing a search and then reading the counterpoints which already exist. To quote Poltergeist: It's like "You wandered out of the forest primeval, and, in seeing the moon for the first time, began throwing rocks at it." (Paraphrased) Yes, we wanna (sic) talk religion, but I think we need to do it at an adult level, if not collegiate.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1985627 Canada09/21/2014 07:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now THIS I would like to hear more about. Are humans just pawns being used as "weapons" in some war between entities beyond this particular plane of existance? I can see the plausibility of that. The "enemy" of creation could subvert part of that self same creation and turn it against other creations by the same creator. But why would the main religions assist the "enemy"? Which they seem to do in thier teachings and actions. Ephesians 6;12 King James Bible For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Son of Jacob, your will shines upon this earth |
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odaeio (OP) User ID: 55707969 United Kingdom09/21/2014 07:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The failure of your post is your obvious narcissism. You believe that you are the first person to have this critique of religion (which, by the way, you use broadly when you really mean to hone in on Judeo-Christian-Islamic theology) You aren't the first, it's not an original thought. It's not worthy of a rehash, it's elementary. If these were your real concerns you could settle them in moments by doing a search and then reading the counterpoints which already exist. To quote Poltergeist: It's like "You wandered out of the forest primeval, and, in seeing the moon for the first time, began throwing rocks at it." (Paraphrased) Yes, we wanna (sic) talk religion, but I think we need to do it at an adult level, if not collegiate. I do apologise, I am nowhere near the level you are looking for. Yes, I was referring to mainstream religions - they are the ones affecting the majority of humanity. I am just attempting to understand why humans have brought this planet to it's knees over the last 6 to 10 thousand years. Religions seem have played a large part in that. The Universe does Balance and Equilibrium - neither excess nor deficit. Perhaps humanity would have been wise to follow it's example. |
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| Neon_Knight User ID: 58725417 United States09/21/2014 07:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am just attempting to understand why humans have brought this planet to it's knees over the last 6 to 10 thousand years. Religions seem have played a large part in that. Quoting: odaeio You have already arrived at a foregone conclusion, which is illogical. You have this pinned on humans. Religion, itself, (all of them) makes no claim as to the human origins of it's beliefs. From Angry Sky Gods to burning bushes to superhuman beings descending in fiery chariots, religion has been infused with life on Earth since the beginning. Ultimately, might makes right, so there was no need for Humans to invent religion. Atilla, Genghis Kahn, Napoleon...these guys rose to power and dominated nations not based on manipulating religious beliefs but by amassing followers, armies, and territories. Just to put a finer point on it, the Torah contains coded information that human beings could not have produced without the benefit of computers and technology. Where you read myth stories about animals and arks, trees and snakes, those with "the key" read about genetics, chromosomes, pineal glands, and other scientific messages some which no doubt surpass what we currently know. |
| odaeio (OP) User ID: 55707969 United Kingdom09/21/2014 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am just attempting to understand why humans have brought this planet to it's knees over the last 6 to 10 thousand years. Religions seem have played a large part in that. Quoting: odaeio You have already arrived at a foregone conclusion, which is illogical. You have this pinned on humans. Religion, itself, (all of them) makes no claim as to the human origins of it's beliefs. From Angry Sky Gods to burning bushes to superhuman beings descending in fiery chariots, religion has been infused with life on Earth since the beginning. Ultimately, might makes right, so there was no need for Humans to invent religion. Atilla, Genghis Kahn, Napoleon...these guys rose to power and dominated nations not based on manipulating religious beliefs but by amassing followers, armies, and territories. Just to put a finer point on it, the Torah contains coded information that human beings could not have produced without the benefit of computers and technology. Where you read myth stories about animals and arks, trees and snakes, those with "the key" read about genetics, chromosomes, pineal glands, and other scientific messages some which no doubt surpass what we currently know. Right, am off to do some research - starting with the thread in your signature. The Torah "coded" info has peaked my interest. Thank you, you have kindly given me an excellent place to begin. I no longer have need for this thread - if others would like to continue, please do. All replies have been greatly appreciated. The Universe does Balance and Equilibrium - neither excess nor deficit. Perhaps humanity would have been wise to follow it's example. |
