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The evolution of Ebola statements: Now using the term Endemic when discussing Ebola.

 
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The evolution of Ebola statements: Now using the term Endemic when discussing Ebola.
New CDC and WHO data suggest that Africa’s Ebola outbreak is worse than expected — and in a worst-case scenario, the current Ebola epidemic could become endemic.

And those gloomy projections have experts worried that Ebola will inevitably arrive in the United States.
[link to www.forbes.com]

“We must therefore face the possibility that [Ebola] will become endemic among the human population of West Africa, a prospect that has never previously been contemplated,” the WHO Ebola Response Team wrote in the New England Journal of Medicine.
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en·dem·ic
1.
(of a disease or condition) regularly found among particular people or in a certain area.



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en·dem·ic
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(of a disease or condition) regularly found among particular people or in a certain area.



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Thank you. That was gonna be my next step.

Now..

“Endemic” is in danger of losing its core meaning through confusion with “epidemic.” An endemic condition is one characteristic of a particular region, population, or environment: “sore thumbs are endemic among teen text-messagers.” A condition need not affect a majority or even a very large number of people in a population to be endemic. In biology, an endemic disease is one that is maintained locally without the need for outside influence: “Cholera is endemic in Kolkata.” It keeps recurring there, but still only a small minority of the population gets cholera.

An epidemic condition is widespread, rampant: “ Overindulgence in fatty foods is epidemic throughout the world.” The dominance of the noun “epidemic” (“the threat of a flu epidemic”) may make people reluctant to use it as an adjective (“flu may become epidemic”) but both uses are legitimate. It’s best to stick with “epidemic” unless you have a specific need for the technical term “endemic.”
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[link to public.wsu.edu]

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In biology, an endemic disease is one that is maintained locally without the need for outside influence
 Quoting: [link to public.wsu.edu]




So exactly just what are they trying to imply by classifying it 'endemic' at this point??
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It seems like the nicest possible way of saying that it is so out of control that the disease is going to be common place in the areas infected(assuming adequate containment measures are achieved.) Until it runs out of hosts..

Best case scenario is that it is contained (though some effort put forth by somebody) and they are now living (dying) in an Ebola zone.
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Very, very not good.
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Exactly. Localized. Not a worldwide threat.
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Exactly. Localized. Not a worldwide threat.
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Have we stopped international flights to these regions yet?

If not then you can hardly say that the containment effort is sincere.
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In biology, an endemic disease is one that is maintained locally without the need for outside influence
 Quoting: [link to public.wsu.edu]




So exactly just what are they trying to imply by classifying it 'endemic' at this point??
 Quoting: Mister Obvious

They may be implying that the disease is much more common than previously thought. There probably realizing that asymptomatic infections had been endemic to the region, with people's immune system able to keep the virus from becoming symptomatic.

There is a strong possibility that the thing that has changed is people's immune system. It's possible the same thing which has been increasing virus mutation rates is also causing a slight increase in the number of people with slightly weakened immune systems.

Toxin/Radiation-Induced Accelerated Mutation of Pathogens (T/RIAMP) and Toxin/Radiation-Induced Immune Disfunction Syndrome (T/RIIDS) are likely to blame.

This would have the effect of causing a number of people who previously had been asymptomatic to develop a full-blown infection as their immune system becomes too weak to keep the virus at bay.

The main issue this article is ducking however is that they have yet to find the reservoir species. What is it that is infecting chimpanzees, gorillas, fruit bats, monkeys, antelopes, porcupines, rodents, dogs, pigs and humans?

Since whatever it is seems to be endemic to Africa alone, there isn't any logical reason to think that there is any immediate risk of Ebola becoming a pandemic.
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In biology, an endemic disease is one that is maintained locally without the need for outside influence
 Quoting: [link to public.wsu.edu]




So exactly just what are they trying to imply by classifying it 'endemic' at this point??
 Quoting: Mister Obvious

They may be implying that the disease is much more common than previously thought. There probably realizing that asymptomatic infections had been endemic to the region, with people's immune system able to keep the virus from becoming symptomatic.

There is a strong possibility that the thing that has changed is people's immune system. It's possible the same thing which has been increasing virus mutation rates is also causing a slight increase in the number of people with slightly weakened immune systems.

Toxin/Radiation-Induced Accelerated Mutation of Pathogens (T/RIAMP) and Toxin/Radiation-Induced Immune Disfunction Syndrome (T/RIIDS) are likely to blame.

This would have the effect of causing a number of people who previously had been asymptomatic to develop a full-blown infection as their immune system becomes too weak to keep the virus at bay.

The main issue this article is ducking however is that they have yet to find the reservoir species. What is it that is infecting chimpanzees, gorillas, fruit bats, monkeys, antelopes, porcupines, rodents, dogs, pigs and humans?

Since whatever it is seems to be endemic to Africa alone, there isn't any logical reason to think that there is any immediate risk of Ebola becoming a pandemic.
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Exactly. Localized. Not a worldwide threat.
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Once it's endemic to a region the native population of that region can carry it to other places through migration. With that in mind, it is a worldwide threat.
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Exactly. Localized. Not a worldwide threat.
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Once it's endemic to a region the native population of that region can carry it to other places through migration. With that in mind, it is a worldwide threat.
 Quoting: {Epona}


Ah yeah! That's pretty much the way I am reading & comprehending it.
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Exactly. Localized. Not a worldwide threat.
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Once it's endemic to a region the native population of that region can carry it to other places through migration. With that in mind, it is a worldwide threat.
 Quoting: {Epona}


Ah yeah! That's pretty much the way I am reading & comprehending it.
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Re: The evolution of Ebola statements: Now using the term Endemic when discussing Ebola.
Freckles are endemic among red haired people.

The wording is no big deal.

Epidemic is much worse.
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In biology, an endemic disease is one that is maintained locally without the need for outside influence
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So exactly just what are they trying to imply by classifying it 'endemic' at this point??
 Quoting: Mister Obvious


In a nutshell, they are saying the people of West Africa are going to become extinct.

The disease does not allow a person to build an immunity upon initial exposure.


Endemic is just a line on a map away from pandemic.
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Very, very not good.
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The comparison I read was too chicken pox in the U.K being endemic. Always around in some capacity.

But then I thought...chicken pox does not kill at 70+% rate.
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Seems to me that it might be a combination of factors that cause the outbreak. Rather than being from a single source, I.e. 'Eat monkey brain'and get Ebola, it is when you 'eat a monkey' and 'get sucked on by a bat' that the virus emerges.

Otherwise, why has it been so difficult to find the source? There have been numerous studies and no one seems to have found or reported the true origins.

Plus, given the incubation time, the multiple factor origin has credence. Heck, it could be three or more factors. Drinking contaminated hippo water, waiting a week, then getting stung by Nairobi fly, and then eating monkey brain, and then getting sucked on by bat equals Ebola. Near too many variables to easily find the trigger.

If it crosses from a single source, we will likely find that that source had multiple inputs to form the virus. Nor example, if just the bite from a bat actually can cause it, one will find that the bat was the one that ate the monkey brain, got bitten by something, and drank the hippo poop.

Key question is whether any serious research is being done, or are we just working on containment and trying to find a cure or vaccine that continuously needs to be changed to accommodate an ever changing virus? The latter means more money and funding, so, like 'cancer', instead of working on reducing chemicals and improving diet, we focus on the resolution of symptoms with more chemicals and procedures instead of the real cure.
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"It is thought that fruit bats of the Pteropodidae family are natural Ebola virus hosts."

[link to www.who.int]
-WHO



So, they technically have no idea what the fuck is happening.
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Why are you people listening to the CDC and WHO?

They have lied so many times just to sell vaccines and drugs.
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since Aug articles show armed men poisoning wells with syringes, I guess it means the Africans are being murdered. So if it spreads, the murderers will be adding flavor to US air and water too.
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since Aug articles show armed men poisoning wells with syringes, I guess it means the Africans are being murdered. So if it spreads, the murderers will be adding flavor to US air and water too.
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read these statements to see if they intend to stop in Africa. [link to www.green-agenda.com] And vaccinations have already been taking place, with Cholera there, so...they do not need another reason to vaccinate Africans there.
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In biology, an endemic disease is one that is maintained locally without the need for outside influence
 Quoting: [link to public.wsu.edu]




So exactly just what are they trying to imply by classifying it 'endemic' at this point??
 Quoting: Mister Obvious


It means the think they'll never get rid of it in West Africa. It will always be there now, unlike before when the virus would pop up in a small village and poof was gone.

This raises the stakes for the global community.
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In biology, an endemic disease is one that is maintained locally without the need for outside influence
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So exactly just what are they trying to imply by classifying it 'endemic' at this point??
 Quoting: Mister Obvious


It means the think they'll never get rid of it in West Africa. It will always be there now, unlike before when the virus would pop up in a small village and poof was gone.

This raises the stakes for the global community.
 Quoting: RelentlessDespot


It does. It raises the likelihood of the virus spreading through out the world at some point.
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Re: The evolution of Ebola statements: Now using the term Endemic when discussing Ebola.
This is actually a fairly large announcement from them. This means from now on there will always be a threat of someone traveling from Africa being infected with Ebola and causing an outbreak in other nations.
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