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UNC scientist proves mathematically that black holes do not exist

 
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09/24/2014 03:09 PM
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The paper was terrible, I read it and the author made some serious mistakes in the formulas they used. Basically the author over generalized and simplified their data to make the data support their theory. The author even said one of the formulas they used was "idealized." The author made some pretty predictable fallacies trying to connect two separate theories and essentially left out a lot of variables. Remember people, this person was mathematically summarizing the collapse of a star, and they did it only 7 pages. Not only does this lead me to believe the paper is suspect but they only did calculations for a "perfect" or "idealized" model anyway, one that was far too simple to take into account all the variables of a collapsing star. The article wasn't published in a peer reviewed journal anyway, so that should tell you something too.

Most of you probably didn't even bother to look at it and just saw it as a green light to bash science like peasants from the middle ages. Ignorance breeds contempt. Science is probably wrong on a lot of things, and I believe in a different model of the universe rather than mainstream science's version, but they still have done plenty of things right and have evidence to support their views. Black hole like objects are certainly out there, it's been observed and its kind of hard to refute.
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Re: UNC scientist proves mathematically that black holes do not exist
The paper was terrible, I read it and the author made some serious mistakes in the formulas they used. Basically the author over generalized and simplified their data to make the data support their theory. The author even said one of the formulas they used was "idealized." The author made some pretty predictable fallacies trying to connect two separate theories and essentially left out a lot of variables. Remember people, this person was mathematically summarizing the collapse of a star, and they did it only 7 pages. Not only does this lead me to believe the paper is suspect but they only did calculations for a "perfect" or "idealized" model anyway, one that was far too simple to take into account all the variables of a collapsing star. The article wasn't published in a peer reviewed journal anyway, so that should tell you something too.

Most of you probably didn't even bother to look at it and just saw it as a green light to bash science like peasants from the middle ages. Ignorance breeds contempt. Science is probably wrong on a lot of things, and I believe in a different model of the universe rather than mainstream science's version, but they still have done plenty of things right and have evidence to support their views. Black hole like objects are certainly out there, it's been observed and its kind of hard to refute.
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Sure they are, but the premise on what's occurring inside the event horizon is wrong.

When you're halfway in, you're halfway out. Like a dog running into the woods.

Now if you want a real laugh, there's always dark matter...
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This hasn't been peer-reviewed nor has it been submitted to be, so it's only the authors who are making this claim.

Remember what the scientific world was like before the BICEP II results were actually reviewed?

This is less of a story than that, so I'm not holding my breath.
 Quoting: The Joker


Peer review approval by the same purveyors of all this bogus anti-creation-cosmology nonsense is like saying that a tree falling in the woods when no one is around doesn't make any noise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63167361


"Peer review" turns out to be a huge, scamtastic fraud, anyway;

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This whole discussion is possible cuz some scientists are trolling. Blackholes dont exist, and neither do mathematical calxulations to disprove the existance of black holes. You have been bamboozled by nasa and star trek and xfiles and bill nye.
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peer reviewed a scam now....bwahahaha. the complete and utter stupidity and ignorance on this site never gets old. all of you so sure of yourselves, yet can't even pass a college entry level biology or chemistry course.

It's not a very hard concept to grasp here...if the information is legit she can send her methods out to every single university in the world to verify. If it hasn't happened by this point, rest assured


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peer reviewed a scam now....bwahahaha. the complete and utter stupidity and ignorance on this site never gets old. all of you so sure of yourselves, yet can't even pass a college entry level biology or chemistry course.

It's not a very hard concept to grasp here...if the information is legit she can send her methods out to every single university in the world to verify. If it hasn't happened by this point, rest assured


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I'd consider your opinion, but first I'm going to need notarized, publicized letters from every human on Earth proving that you do in fact exist, otherwise:

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Re: UNC scientist proves mathematically that black holes do not exist
This whole discussion is possible cuz some scientists are trolling. Blackholes dont exist, and neither do mathematical calxulations to disprove the existance of black holes. You have been bamboozled by nasa and star trek and xfiles and bill nye.
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I wonder why peer reviews dont show the moonlanding was an obvious hoax or 911 was an obvious inside job.
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No one posting here can verify any of these peer reviews and are therefore just as ignorant as those they claim to be ignorant for not trusting peer reviews. Outerspace nasa talk is run by nasa charlatan frauds.
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Bullshit. Nuclear bombs and microchips prove you wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2920706


Actually GPS and gravitational lensing really proves him wrong.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


How can you (or any other academic schmuck) prove that those GPS atomic clocks are ticking faster so to compensate for "the realativity" ?!

You are just REPEATING what THEY have told you.. but you don't know for sure
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He wanted his children to see that relativity is proportional. So he loaded the family's blue minivan with portable power supplies, monitoring equipment, and three HP 5071 cesium clocks. Three, because time is always marked relative to other clocks: More clocks mean more accurate time. With his three kids and some camping gear in tow, he drove the winding roads spiraling up Washington's Mt. Rainier and checked the family into a lodge 5,319 feet above sea level.
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 Quoting: Dr. Astro


That ^^ is your "proof" ?! A bedtime story ?!

Did it occur to you that maybe the change in the oscillation frequency of the Cesium clock is caused (at the subatomic level) by the change in gravity and not as an effect of relativity ?!
twisted causality you have...

only a clock that will remain immune to gravity or high speeds could disprove this theory immediately
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Actually GPS and gravitational lensing really proves him wrong.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


How can you (or any other academic schmuck) prove that those GPS atomic clocks are ticking faster so to compensate for "the realativity" ?!

You are just REPEATING what THEY have told you.. but you don't know for sure
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10112898

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He wanted his children to see that relativity is proportional. So he loaded the family's blue minivan with portable power supplies, monitoring equipment, and three HP 5071 cesium clocks. Three, because time is always marked relative to other clocks: More clocks mean more accurate time. With his three kids and some camping gear in tow, he drove the winding roads spiraling up Washington's Mt. Rainier and checked the family into a lodge 5,319 feet above sea level.
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 Quoting: Dr. Astro


That ^^ is your "proof" ?! A bedtime story ?!

Did it occur to you that maybe the change in the oscillation frequency of the Cesium clock is caused (at the subatomic level) by the change in gravity and not as an effect of relativity ?!
twisted causality you have...

only a clock that will remain immune to gravity or high speeds could disprove this theory immediately
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52348031


Maybe the moral of the story is scientific religions pay enough to buy huge exclusive family outings not to mention farking CESIUM CLOCKS!
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No one went to the moon and no one sent anything into 'space.' Therefore the nasa version of gravity is complete fraud, just like everything else nasa. If they are willing to lie about 911, they are willing to completelt lie about space. The Heavens are completely blocked off from nasa fraud.
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Bullshit. Nuclear bombs and microchips prove you wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2920706


Actually GPS and gravitational lensing really proves him wrong.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


How can you (or any other academic schmuck) prove that those GPS atomic clocks are ticking faster so to compensate for "the realativity" ?!

You are just REPEATING what THEY have told you.. but you don't know for sure
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10112898

"Two years ago, he realized he'd acquired the capability to offer his children a demonstration of one of the effects predicted by Einstein's general theory of relativity -- a demonstration that Einstein himself couldn't have performed with the equipment of his day.

The theory says time passes slowly for someone near a massive object, as measured relative to someone farther away. On Earth, this effect is so small as to be undetectable to all but the most precise equipment, putting demonstrations beyond the reach of, say, a typical high school science fair. Consequently, "kids grow up thinking relativity is only for really fast speeds or really heavy gravity," says Van Baak.

He wanted his children to see that relativity is proportional. So he loaded the family's blue minivan with portable power supplies, monitoring equipment, and three HP 5071 cesium clocks. Three, because time is always marked relative to other clocks: More clocks mean more accurate time. With his three kids and some camping gear in tow, he drove the winding roads spiraling up Washington's Mt. Rainier and checked the family into a lodge 5,319 feet above sea level.

They hiked the trails, and the kids relaxed with board games and books, while in the imperceptibly lessened gravity, time moved a little bit faster than at home. Van Baak found himself explaining to park rangers more than once why a minivan filled with inscrutable equipment was idling in front of the national park lodge for hours on end. But the effort paid off. When the family returned to the suburbs two days later, the cesium clocks were off by the precise amount relativity predicted. He and his family had lived just a little more life than the neighbors."
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 Quoting: Dr. Astro


That doesn't make sense, then...

^^ "The theory says time passes slowly for someone near a massive object, as measured relative to someone farther away."

and the story says that, at a higher elevation..."He and his family had lived just a little more life than the neighbors."

...shouldn't it have been "A little 'less' life than the neighbors?"

Last Edited by Dace on 09/24/2014 11:36 PM





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