What is the veil and how does it work? And don't tell me you forgot!

The veil is:

God's mercy

and... It is time/ and space / and it also separates our conscious mind from our subconscious mind, and separates this world from the afterlife, heavenly multi-dimentional beings from earthly physical beings.

space/time = mercy

The angels had one moment to decide whether to follow God or not. Some stayed, some fell

Human beings, on the other hand, were given "time" and "separation" from God to so that we have a chance to decide.

So the veil hides the truth from us / and creates a space/time for us so that we won't be held completely culpable for our mistakes and wrong-doings. If the veil was lifted, we would be too horrified by the effects of our mistakes and how they affect all other things and we wouldn't be able to even function. So the veil is a protection until we are ready to face the truth, until we have had enough time to think about our decisions. Our soul is constantly making the decision whether to love or not to love. And these constant decisions are kept submersed in our subconscious.

Lifting the veil is a spiritual experience and happens when God knows you are ready to face the true truth about yourself and the world. It is symbolized by the bride/groom. Jesus represents the groom, we are the bride. When the veil is lifted we are able "see him face to face, because we are like him"

In the lifting of the veil we become love, so we are able to communicate with heavenly beings and see beyond the veil.

The true truth can only be known through love.

:fworks:

to answer your question, the Veil can refer to a few different things. To some, it is the envelope around our planet that is formed partly by the magnetosphere and partly by it's reactions with inbound particles etc.

in metaphysical circles, the Veils are that which keep the Spheres of Existence separate...they are a barrier between the Physical multiverse, the Ether (or the Astral Plane), and the Sphere of Time (though there are other theories as to what the third prime Sphere is). All three of these interact with each other to a point, for example we occasionally see evidence of things originating from the Etheric manifesting here, and we see our interaction with the the Sphere of Time in terms of linear time as we know it. However, traveling physically (or even via RV or Astral travel) is generally blocked by the Veils between the Spheres....it takes a bit of training and practice to be able to reach the Astral, as anyone will tell you who isn't trying to sell you a book. And traveling there physically, as in transferring your body from this layer of existence to that one requires a tremendous amount of energy. It is theorized that this may be how EBEs (the ones that actually hail from a different point in the physical multiverse) get here....they have sorted out a way to use the Etheric as a shortcut.

regardless of your beliefs, there is a mass of hard science and fact that can be found about this...you just have to know where to look

the veil is a metaphor and there are thousands of veils we impose on ourselves throughout this life. It is the perceived separation of you and I or of you and everything. the more you live in the present the thinner the veil becomes and the less separation you experience. The veil is duality, the removal of the veil is oneness. Dig it sucka!

What I've learned about everything is that there isn't one simple answer. The veil is everything that is written here in these pages and it's the veil in the Temple, and it's the veil that was torn at the crucifixion. There is so much to be felt and lived.

How can we say Jacob's ladder is 33 degrees of the human body, that into ourselves we find God. The God within through Kundalini?

That's the truth of it, but when you look at what is 32?
Look at the computer. Look at the OS of Microsoft Windows. It's System 32. How many names has Windows had? I'll tell you 2 that parallel with the Bible.

System 32 recently Windows XP. XP is Chi Rho which is a sign used in Christianity. Before XP was Windows NT. NT? New Testament...You think there is higher intelligence in this world running the show?

I don't think there is, I know there is. And they have fun playing ARG/Alternate Reality Games...ARG 0...ARGO Navis is the Pirates of Orion. Jason JSON and the Argonauts/Astronauts. Hahaha...more fun. Look up JSON...more computer terms and JSTOR? it's Jestor....

'There must be some kinda way outta here. Said the Joker to the thief.'

Oh what fun...

Me? I still pray for love, not jokes.

It is physical existence, the third dimension. The fourth dimension trapped inside the third dimension, we look through a glass darkly, but sometimes we do see.

:FDOHGR:

It's the darkness (psychological darkness) to which we are not privy.

Necessary to keep this clusterfuck running.

Hopi say our hearts are tied to Mother Earth. If you read some of the Astronauts accounts some talk about a experiencing a "great sense of loss and that only when they returned to Earth did that sense of loss leave them".

It's really easy to do. You do it all the time anyway. You just don't have any awareness that you are. Easy as pie. Move your conscious awareness out of your mind and focus that awareness on your own conscious being (soul, spirit, spark, whatever makes it easy for you to get out of your mind). Then with your conscious awareness you jump in with your own consciousness away you go right through the veil. It's that simple.

Now on your return trip with your conscious awareness totally focused on your own consciousness try and find anything that is off this world that your f'n mind can relate to. You can't because there is nothing here in this Matrix or simulation that resembles anything out side of the Matrix. If your conscious awareness is locked on to your mind you will never leave this world or this Matrix.

Your welcome!

In the past it did indeed happen that I doze off which indeed made me forget. But I learned to stay alert just before the delta stage, that of sleeping. In that stage I did not find knowledge, I was in the nothingness with no emotions nor feelings. But then I have been in states where I knew it all but when coming back I forgot. There are many layers in consciousness to explore, it is a bit confusing at times what the purpose is for all these layers. Consciousness is pretty complex.

Thank you all for your input, it is interesting to see from how many angles people perceive truth.

"Because initiation in the past was reserved for an elite, a moral elite, many people imagine that extraordinary mysteries were revealed to them. No, initiation was reserved only for a few, not because it involved secrets which the masses must not be told, but because those who received these revelations possessed certain qualities which enabled them to truly benefit from them. Spiritual truths enrich only those with the intelligence to understand how to use them, whose hearts truly yearn for them, and above all, who have the will and tenacity to persevere in the work. To others they are of no use, and they can even be harmful. Therefore, it is not what is revealed in an initiatic school that is important, but what you yourself will do with these truths."

"In the presence of certain profound works – philosophical, initiatic, mystical – and before the beauty of certain works of art, we realize that their creators have contemplated a high and distant reality that escapes ordinary consciousness. In order to access this reality, they have traversed not only the opaque layers of physical matter but also the obscure layers of psychic matter. Until we decide to follow them on this path, what we believe to be reality remains a mere semblance of it, a distorted reflection, or at best a wrapping, a veil which hides it from our view. To lift a veil, to remove a veil, is the purpose of initiation. This is the meaning of the expression ‘to lift the veil of Isis’ which has been handed down to us by tradition."

"It is quite extraordinary how today you can find initiates everywhere you go, even in clubs and other such haunts. And how do you recognize them ? Well, it is quite simple, because they themselves proclaim : ‘I am an initiate !' Some even add that they have reached the seventh, eighth or ninth level of initiation ; much to the delight of the naïve and undiscerning who imagine they have found a real live initiate able to award them with initiatic diplomas within a just few days.

In the past the identity of an initiate was hidden from all except those who were sincerely searching, and possessed true discernment. The fact that they were were initiates was never vaunted : they remained private, unknown, hidden, like the Hermit on the ninth Tarot card. The old man holding a lamp, shielding it in the folds of his large coat to screen it from the crowd's eyes – that is the image of a true initiate."

"True direction, true knowledge and true experience come from above. Since time immemorial, the initiates, the great masters of humanity, have continuously transmitted the same knowledge to their disciples: they teach that, from the atom to the archangels and all the way to God, life is one continuous hierarchy of beings all linked to each other, each one constituting one part of that immense living organism which is the universe.

We humans are found placed somewhere on this ladder of creatures. Above and below us are beings that are linked to us. This link exists, whether we know it or not and whether we wish it or not. But it’s essential for us to be conscious of this and to work at relating to the beings above us, who will take us with them, higher and higher."

"Much has been said and written about initiations, because at different times and in different places on earth they have taken very different forms. The fact is that all initiations, past as well as present, wherever they take place, have only one goal: to unite spirit and matter. Yes, one goal only: the fusion of spirit and matter, of human beings and their Creator. And if the explanations and forms for reaching this unique goal are so varied and numerous, it is because the knowledge necessary to realise this fusion is infinite. Human beings must place all their means, all the knowledge they ceaselessly work to acquire, in the service of this one goal: to unite with the Divinity, to become one with the first Cause. So long as they seek something else, they will simply wander along paths that lead nowhere."

"In the belief that we must all show a critical mind and demystify the philosophical and religious ideas passed on by previous - over-credulous - generations, our contemporaries have lost their sense for what is sacred, which has meant that they have overlooked the greatest truths of initiatic science. This is highly detrimental to their evolution, because as such nature closes its doors to them and they are deprived of all its revelations. Nature opens up only to those who possess a sense of sacredness. Cultivating this sense of sacredness means finding the right inner attitude that will give an as yet unsuspected dimension, colour and flavour to the minutest details of everyday life. Do not expect great things from the outside. Even if an initiate were to come and reveal great things to you, they might be of no use to you at all. If they are to find a true echo within you, you must develop a sense for what is sacred."

"You don’t become an educator by following courses or reading books on education. You can only become an educator if you were born an educator: then, merely by your presence, the looks you give and your emanations, you have a beneficial effect on the children. There have been people throughout history who were born with this love and these moral qualities; they influenced children through their natural authority and worked wonders with them. Children are sensitive; they can tell from miles away whether you’re a master or not. Animals, too. Take the horse, for instance: if its rider is a coward, the horse senses it, then up it goes, and the rider’s on the ground! Otherwise, it’s submissive. Children also have this natural intuition.

Actually, true education is none other than initiation. A true educator is an initiate. Through their example, self-denial, patience and sacrifice, great initiates have slowly educated humanity, showing it new paths."

"It is characteristic of philosophers, artists and even some scientists to live in their inner world more than in the outer world. But since they cannot always control the inner world, many get swept along onto dangerous paths and into dead ends, where they lose themselves, because they do not have a true philosophy to show them the way. They always say, 'In my opinion, this... In my opinion, that... I think that...' And some, who think of themselves as great creators and innovators, are merely anarchists, since they rebel against nature's immutable laws.

There exists an eternal philosophy, which has been passed down by initiates through the ages. And our work, here, is to come ever closer to this philosophy. It does not mean that we must no longer express ourselves in our own way. We can express ourselves, be original, unique even, but at the same time as we study and apply the philosophy of the initiates."

"When adolescents read novels, they focus on the passages about love and adventure. If these novels treat social, political or philosophical matters, they quickly skim them. But as the years go by, people practise their professions, marry, have children and live different experiences, and if they come across these same novels again, what had impressed them in the past no longer interests them. Instead, they concentrate on the passages they had once put aside, for everything they have experienced since then has opened their minds to new subjects.

In the same way, the teaching of the initiates is only appreciated by those whom life has matured. Others who haven’t had certain experiences or asked certain questions will find it uninteresting and even forbidding. They are still very young! But once life leads them to pose the essential questions, they will feel a whole new world open before them."

"A true initiate, a true disciple always looks natural, simple and approachable. Why would you want to draw attention with superior or inspired looks? You might say, 'You mean we must not show our spiritual acquisitions? - Yes, you must show them. - And how?' Since you have worked on yourself, since you have called on the spirit to shape you, sculpture you, then let your body, the features of your face, your posture and gestures speak in your favor. And you, stay simple and natural. Why impose yourself artificially? Since you follow a spiritual teaching, understand that your qualities - wisdom, purity, nobleness - will manifest naturally, without the need to adopt poses or make speeches to emphasize them. Simply let your interior work speak for itself; even without your knowing it, it will bear witness to your qualities."

Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov

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