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Israel has instigated a water war- and here's a kill shot to any doubt about it
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Anonymous Coward
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7/20/2006 6:57 AM
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This exhaustive pre-2001 article by Tobias Eickelpasch posted at scripps.ohiou.edu/news/beirut/tobias.html
very clearly delineates exactly where this is all coming from.
This is a water war.
The Litani River is entirely contained within Lebannon.
The Israeli's wanted it even when the territory of Israel was called Palestine.
It has been an object of need since the initial planning to create Israel commenced.
And now they need it to survive.
Israel has drilled and pumped its own springs and groundwater completely dry.
This is very short snip from towards the end puts it in a nutshell, but I very highly recommend that anyone wondering what in the world is really going on and why take the time to read the entire article.
"Lebanon is a water-rich country in the Arab world. Although it has not implemented major development and infra structure plans - especially in the South - it does not face the same water scarcity as Syria or Israel. Lebanon is far from what is going on in for example Damascus, where the main spring dried up in July 2001 and the capital of Syria is now left with no more than four hours of water every day.
And Israel, according to Dr. Majzoub, has used up its groundwater sources completly.
Israel drilled so deep and pumped water from such great depth that the springs will never replenish again.
Israel now relies on surface water, water coming from outside the country and desalination of sea water only."
[link to www.scripps.ohiou.edu]
And Syria is pretty much in the same boat as Israel- the spring that supplied Damascus for thousands of years dried up several years ago. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 120699
7/22/2006 1:29 PM | | Re: Israel has instigated a water war- and here's a kill shot to any doubt about it | Quote |
Again, the crux of the issue:
"Israel has been dropping leaflets on southern Lebanon that urge residents to leave the area and move north of the Litani River. The river runs east to west in a line about 15 miles north of the Israeli border."
[link to www.nytimes.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 120696
7/22/2006 1:32 PM | | Re: Israel has instigated a water war- and here's a kill shot to any doubt about it | Quote |
With a world that consists of 80% water this makes no sense. |
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Anonymous Coward
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7/22/2006 1:36 PM | |
Anonymous Coward
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7/22/2006 1:36 PM | | Re: Israel has instigated a water war- and here's a kill shot to any doubt about it | Quote |
only 3 % of the water in the world is fresh water |
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Maya Man
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7/22/2006 1:36 PM | |
Anonymous Coward
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7/22/2006 1:37 PM | |
Anonymous Coward
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7/22/2006 1:39 PM | | Re: Israel has instigated a water war- and here's a kill shot to any doubt about it | Quote |
They drop leaflets to tell the Lebanese to get out but yet they destroy all the bridges that lead them out
There's one shitty little dirt road thats being used by at least half a million people to get them out of there |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 120701
7/22/2006 1:44 PM | | Re: Israel has instigated a water war- and here's a kill shot to any doubt about it | Quote |
Extensive post on this topic from last week with great resources:
[link to godlikeproductions.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 120707
7/22/2006 1:45 PM | | Re: Israel has instigated a water war- and here's a kill shot to any doubt about it | Quote |
It sounds like Frank Herbert was a prophet
to me.
The spice(oil) must flow ! But the water
is the real precious thing that all must
have or else they will die. |
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4Q
User ID: 30701
7/22/2006 1:47 PM
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I have a 'Kill Shot' that trumps yours...
If this is a 'water war'...Then why didn't Israel take the water in the 18+ years they were entrenched in southern Lebanon...You do realize they only left in 2000, right?
[link to news.bbc.co.uk]
If this is a 'water war', then explain the ongoing desalination projectsthat will provide 90% of the domsetic water used in Israel by 2015 (the first plant is online and providing 15% already)...
[link to www.water-technology.net]
You see?...Your arguments simply do not hold water...
Pun intended...
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 9237
7/22/2006 2:00 PM | | Re: Israel has instigated a water war- and here's a kill shot to any doubt about it | Quote |
Well hey I was first out to see the thirst for that river it was very clear. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 120699
7/22/2006 2:00 PM | | Re: Israel has instigated a water war- and here's a kill shot to any doubt about it | Quote |
Actually, a lot of people believed
If you read extensively on the matter, you will find that there were/are many who believed that Israel was indeed taking water from the Litani and from the Chebaa Farms area too.
This is from an article published while Israel was STILL occupying southern Lebanon:
1. Abstract
In the Middle East, the supply of water is much less than its demand, thereby resulting in conflict over it. This is true for Israel and Lebanon, where there have been struggles, although not always armed, for the waters of the Litani River. At this point, Israel occupies southern Lebanon. Part of the Litani is located in this region. There are conflicting reports and conclusions over whether or not Israel is using the Litani. There is also a verbal struggle over which country needs the Litani more, could make best use of it, and who, therefore, should develop their use of the Litani. Although there is not an armed struggle over it now, it has been involved in armed struggles in the past (in the 1967 war, and in 1982) and it is conceivable that in the future the struggles over it may become armed.
[link to www.american.edu] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 120699
7/22/2006 2:02 PM | | Re: Israel has instigated a water war- and here's a kill shot to any doubt about it | Quote |
As to desalinisation:
One:
It's much more expensive.
Two:
What will they do until 2015?
There is not enough water NOW. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 83389
7/22/2006 2:12 PM | | Re: Israel has instigated a water war- and here's a kill shot to any doubt about it | Quote |
AHhhh First you guys say Bush did it for oil, now its Irael did it for water.
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4Q
User ID: 30701
7/22/2006 2:14 PM
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One:
It's much more expensive.
Two:
What will they do until 2015?
There is not enough water NOW. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 120699
Did you read the link?...Apparently not...
What will they do till 2015?...The same as they have always done...Make do with what they have...And you are not understanding that the first plant is finished...The 2nd is well underway, and 2 others are already started...The END of the project is 2015...It started in the planning stages in 2000...The 2nd plant will be done in a year or so...That is 30% of domestic needs covered by desalination freeing up that 30% for industry and agriculture...They don't care that it is 'more expensive' as it pays off in the long term...
I'd be interested in seeing where you are getting your info that "There is not enough water NOW."...
Maybe an Israeli government document perhaps?
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4Q
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7/22/2006 2:19 PM
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Quoting: Anonymous Coward 120699
Apparently not as many as you think...
From your own link:
>>>"Although Israel still occupies the southeastern corner of Lebanon, it has not completed the major portion of the project. Satellite pictures are unavailable, but eyewitnesses do report evidence of construction. The US and Israel deny this. There is no evidence that water supplies are being increased as a result of diversion from the Litani. Therefore, Stauffer concludes, if there is any diversion, it is small.(55) Soffer (1994) asserts: "Israeli invasions of southern Lebanon (1978, 1982) were a direct result of PLO attacks on Israel, and in no way does Israel control the Litani zone, nor has it ever transferred even one cup of water from Lebanon to Israel."(56)"<<<
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IamthatIam
User ID: 88042
7/22/2006 2:20 PM | | Re: Israel has instigated a water war- and here's a kill shot to any doubt about it | Quote |
i see this subject is a sore spot to some....
why ask why they need the water
dead sea is dropping also |
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wtng2fish
User ID: 113673
7/22/2006 2:23 PM | | Re: Israel has instigated a water war- and here's a kill shot to any doubt about it | Quote |
I have a 'Kill Shot' that trumps yours...
If this is a 'water war'...Then why didn't Israel take the water in the 18+ years they were entrenched in southern Lebanon...You do realize they only left in 2000, right?
[ link to news.bbc.co.uk]
If this is a 'water war', then explain the ongoing desalination projectsthat will provide 90% of the domsetic water used in Israel by 2015 (the first plant is online and providing 15% already)...
[ link to www.water-technology.net]
You see?...Your arguments simply do not hold water...
Pun intended...
The anti-Israeli crowd has been frantically posting any and every negative story they can drudge up to sway opinions about Israels intentions. Whether the info is true or not. It is called disinformation. Something they decry when it comes to the US government but which they will quickly resort to to achieve their own ends. They are nothing but morons with double standards who will stop at nothing to smear Israel even if it means calling a lie the truth and the the truth a lie. |
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4Q
User ID: 30701
7/22/2006 2:24 PM
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i see this subject is a sore spot to some....
why ask why they need the water
dead sea is dropping also Quoting: IamthatIam 88042
Yes it is...Due to water being diverted before it gets there...Stop diverting that water for domestic use, and the sea will rise again...
That is why the desalination plants are being built...To halt the excess diversion to the cities...
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Anonymous Coward
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7/22/2006 2:25 PM | |
4Q
User ID: 30701
7/22/2006 2:26 PM
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I have a 'Kill Shot' that trumps yours...
If this is a 'water war'...Then why didn't Israel take the water in the 18+ years they were entrenched in southern Lebanon...You do realize they only left in 2000, right?
[ link to news.bbc.co.uk]
If this is a 'water war', then explain the ongoing desalination projectsthat will provide 90% of the domsetic water used in Israel by 2015 (the first plant is online and providing 15% already)...
[ link to www.water-technology.net]
You see?...Your arguments simply do not hold water...
Pun intended...
The anti-Israeli crowd has been frantically posting any and every negative story they can drudge up to sway opinions about Israels intentions. Whether the info is true or not. It is called disinformation. Something they decry when it comes to the US government but which they will quickly resort to to achieve their own ends. They are nothing but morons with double standards who will stop at nothing to smear Israel even if it means calling a lie the truth and the the truth a lie.
I just like to point out when people are being one sided...
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 9237
7/22/2006 2:39 PM | | Re: Israel has instigated a water war- and here's a kill shot to any doubt about it | Quote |
Its a centries old problem the lebanese have all the water.
in sufficient water can close down a country.
This is the case here |
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wtng2fish
User ID: 113673
7/22/2006 2:39 PM | | Re: Israel has instigated a water war- and here's a kill shot to any doubt about it | Quote |
"I just like to point out when people are being one sided..."
I now certify yo to be "Selective Logic Free".
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Emperor Kenton
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7/22/2006 2:41 PM
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desalinisation
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Technology aside this is more about the OWNERSHIP of water--power, greed, money and all that old-fashioned stuff.
Global Water Lords
[link to www.polarisinstitute.org]
How transnational water corporations are commodifying the earth’s water for profit
Most wars are about reinforced business shenanigans.
[link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 120699
7/22/2006 2:49 PM | | Re: Israel has instigated a water war- and here's a kill shot to any doubt about it | Quote |
Israel has considered diverting the Litani southward, first proposed in 1905 because it seemed "the waters of the Jordan basin would be insufficient for the future needs of Palestine."(14) The Litani, because of its water, was suggested to become part of the "national Jewish entity" in 1919 but this was rejected by the League of Nations, and the Litani became part of Lebanon.(15)
There were also prestatehood Jewish interests in the Litani. David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first prime minister, suggested the inclusion of the Litani in the Jewish state. The 1941 international commission to whom this was suggested recommended seven-eighths of the Litani be "leased to Israel."(16) Ben-Gurion and Moshe Dayan advocated Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon and the Litani.(17)
In 1945, Professor Lowdermilk proposed a comprehensive water plan for the region which would have included changing the course of the Litani toward the Jordan and used its water for irrigation along the Jordan Valley and in central Eretz Israel (Palestine) where the electricity produced could be transferred to Lebanon. This was never implemented because the Arabs did not want to cooperate with Israel.(18) In 1947, Ben Gurion thought the Litani should be Israel's northern border. Also, water was a source of conflict in the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.(19) In fact, in the war in 1967, water resources were "perhaps the prominent factor in Israeli strategic calculations."(20)
After the 1967 war, Moshe Dayan, defense minister, asserted Israel acheived "provisionally satisfying frontiers, with the exception of those with Lebanon."(21)
Israel hoped that it would have use of the Litani by the mid 1980s, when it projected that it would have fully used up the waters captured in the 1967 war. Israel hoped to meet this goal by securing the Litani in 1978. Israel had even included the Litani in calculations of their water resources.(22)
In fact, Israel's need for water makes it conceivable that it may already be using the Litani. It is not recent that Israel has been suspected of planning to divert the waters of the Litani for its own use. Near 1994, this developed into a large number of direct accusations that Israel was using the Litani.(23) |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 120699
7/22/2006 2:56 PM | | Re: Israel has instigated a water war- and here's a kill shot to any doubt about it | Quote |
3. Reasons to want the Litani
a. Israel
Israel could increase its annual water supply by 800 MCM (approximately 40% of its annual water consumption in 1993) if it had continued access to the Litani through continued/permanent occupation of southern Lebanon.(38) Another reason for Israel to want the Litani is that, especially along the Israeli coast, many aquifiers are stressed and their water is increasingly brackish.(39)
Chaim Weizmann, head of the World Zionist Organization, wrote (around 1919-1920) to Prime Minister David Lloyd George that Lebanon was "well-watered" and that the Litani was "valueless to the territory north of the proposed frontiers. They can be used beneficially in the country much further south." He concluded the Litani was "essential to the future of the Jewish national home.'" Yet the British and French mandate powers kept the Litani entirely in Lebanon.(40)
Returning water-rich western slopes to the West Bank (acquired in the 1967 war), may be seen as relinquishing Israel's water sovereignty and threatening its national existence.(41)
A major reason that Israel gives for its use of the Litani is that Lebanon is not doing so. As evidence, Israel cites Lebanon's "Litani Project," of which only a third has markedly been realized. Yet, Lebanon argues that if it does not have control over its water and land, it will not be able to realize the potential of its water or land, or use it to the utmost.
[link to www.american.edu] |
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wtng2fish
User ID: 113673
7/22/2006 2:57 PM | | Re: Israel has instigated a water war- and here's a kill shot to any doubt about it | Quote |
Israel has considered diverting the Litani southward, first proposed in 1905 because it seemed "the waters of the Jordan basin would be insufficient for the future needs of Palestine."(14) The Litani, because of its water, was suggested to become part of the "national Jewish entity" in 1919 but this was rejected by the League of Nations, and the Litani became part of Lebanon.(15)
There were also prestatehood Jewish interests in the Litani. David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first prime minister, suggested the inclusion of the Litani in the Jewish state. The 1941 international commission to whom this was suggested recommended seven-eighths of the Litani be "leased to Israel."(16) Ben-Gurion and Moshe Dayan advocated Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon and the Litani.(17)
In 1945, Professor Lowdermilk proposed a comprehensive water plan for the region which would have included changing the course of the Litani toward the Jordan and used its water for irrigation along the Jordan Valley and in central Eretz Israel (Palestine) where the electricity produced could be transferred to Lebanon. This was never implemented because the Arabs did not want to cooperate with Israel.(18) In 1947, Ben Gurion thought the Litani should be Israel's northern border. Also, water was a source of conflict in the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.(19) In fact, in the war in 1967, water resources were "perhaps the prominent factor in Israeli strategic calculations."(20)
After the 1967 war, Moshe Dayan, defense minister, asserted Israel acheived "provisionally satisfying frontiers, with the exception of those with Lebanon."(21)
Israel hoped that it would have use of the Litani by the mid 1980s, when it projected that it would have fully used up the waters captured in the 1967 war. Israel hoped to meet this goal by securing the Litani in 1978. Israel had even included the Litani in calculations of their water resources.(22)
In fact, Israel's need for water makes it conceivable that it may already be using the Litani. It is not recent that Israel has been suspected of planning to divert the waters of the Litani for its own use. Near 1994, this developed into a large number of direct accusations that Israel was using the Litani.(23) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 120699
Why would you not reference your source? Could it be because it is another bogus anti Israeli twisting of historical facts to further achieve an ideological terrorist agenda?  |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 30701
7/22/2006 3:00 PM | | Re: Israel has instigated a water war- and here's a kill shot to any doubt about it | Quote |
Why do you continue to leave out this part from your link???
From your own link:
>>>"Although Israel still occupies the southeastern corner of Lebanon, it has not completed the major portion of the project. Satellite pictures are unavailable, but eyewitnesses do report evidence of construction. The US and Israel deny this. There is no evidence that water supplies are being increased as a result of diversion from the Litani. Therefore, Stauffer concludes, if there is any diversion, it is small.(55) Soffer (1994) asserts: "Israeli invasions of southern Lebanon (1978, 1982) were a direct result of PLO attacks on Israel, and in no way does Israel control the Litani zone, nor has it ever transferred even one cup of water from Lebanon to Israel."(56)"<<< Quoting: 4Q |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 107704
7/22/2006 3:01 PM | | Re: Israel has instigated a water war- and here's a kill shot to any doubt about it | Quote |
well well well
o well |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 120682
7/22/2006 3:05 PM | | Re: Israel has instigated a water war- and here's a kill shot to any doubt about it | Quote |
Maybe that is why everyone wants nukes, to de-salinate sea water???
By depriving countries of nuclear power is to prevent them from having water in the future. |
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