Jesus's DNA - who's the Father? | |
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Janemer User ID: 50287210 United States 10/04/2014 06:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The thought occurred to me today that the foundation of the Jesus narrative in the bible (NT) is the story of the virgin birth. For centuries a virgin birth was considered a miracle, and of course a miraculous birth was a necessity for any claim of divinity. Quoting: CSI Judea 61373691 Today virgin births are possible via artificial insemination. Nothing miraculous about it anymore, science has enabled this. OK... The NT narrative states that Mary was the mother - thus we know her eggs provided the maternal DNA. If Jesus was a normal human, with normal human DNA, then who/what provided the paternal DNA portion for his chromosomes? (Sidebar: and if Jesus wasn't a normal human could he still qualify theologically as the savior of humanity?) Considering the NT narrative indicates nothing unusual about his appearance, we can infer form this his features fit in with the local population. This observation supports paternal DNA of Jewish origin, even if it wasn't provided via sexual contact. I'm not suggesting it came from Joseph, I take the narrative at face value on this point. Thoughts? I can tell you from whom He didn't come. NT Enloe! That is a scientific hospital that Sig or Solomon, you know the most knowledgeable beings ever to have lived...I mean Athena/goddess of wisdom, well they used their immortal powers at a place called NT Enloe and used HEBRew/ewe of the RAM to install their stronghold. San Graal, Holy Grail is San Francisco, and this NT Enloe is close to San Graal. And the San Graal is within the town of this Legion of Swine. But THEY didn't create it, unless you consider that the San Graal was created in spite of themselves, they made it because they were so afraid of it!... God said: 1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; So you see, God hasn't even yet...had to lift a finger, but to give within His word that these will happen. The wise have become foolish. The strong have become weak. God hasn't yet applied His full force. They live a self-fulfilling prophecy, which they've known always. The Father will deal with all of this, He just hasn't needed to yet. He still sends His babies into a world full of lies...one of His babies has taken hold of His love and is yet trying to spread it. |
CSI Judea (OP) User ID: 61373691 United States 10/04/2014 06:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I can tell you from whom He didn't come. Quoting: Janemer NT Enloe! That is a scientific hospital that Sig or Solomon, you know the most knowledgeable beings ever to have lived...I mean Athena/goddess of wisdom, well they used their immortal powers at a place called NT Enloe and used HEBRew/ewe of the RAM to install their stronghold. San Graal, Holy Grail is San Francisco, and this NT Enloe is close to San Graal. And the San Graal is within the town of this Legion of Swine. But THEY didn't create it, unless you consider that the San Graal was created in spite of themselves, they made it because they were so afraid of it!... ... Sorry, you lost me with all these references. Try again? |
Janemer User ID: 50287210 United States 10/04/2014 06:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This picture of Jesus eating popcorn just shows what I said: God hasn't needed to lift His finger much, it was all done in ancient prophecy. So Jesus might be eating popcorn whilst Jacob/Israel is ending the world of his lies. Jesus Christ is more than a man who wandered 40 days and told Satan to 'get thee behind me'...It is ideas and thoughts that we make up, into this world. We are people who can manifest Jesus, or manifest Satan. Either can work through us. I've been learning this too. Jesus is an idea that won't die, because we believe in what He told us. He tells us that TRUTH, love and peace will...'not maybe' But will SET US FREE. It's hard to do because we are bound up within flesh that is subject to Satan. I do believe it's a test. So, how are you going to study for your test? |
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Gigolo Jesus User ID: 63443016 United States 10/04/2014 07:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey Man: Enjoy your delusional state, while still able, you soon will be ooozing red stuff and nothing for you to look forwards too! If you knew who I am your whole being would want to change! Wish you peace... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61274659 Hey guys! We got someone important over here! "A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right." ~Thomas Paine |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56963000 United States 10/04/2014 07:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm only going with biblical premises followed by scientific reason that would allow for the premise. premise- Jesus is of a virgin birth. premise- Jehovah was the father of Jesus While the second premise can neither prove nor disprove paternity in this case it can offer a possible solution for the first. Chimeric Mosaicism would allow for a female who carries male chromosomes that are not expressed from her father, in that she would have been fraternal twins that fused in early development. As she began menses she could have had a few eggs that failed in meiosis resulting in a complete cell that had been programmed to be and egg. upon maturation this type of egg can spontaneously begin the process mitosis and auto-zygogenisis. Allowing uterine implantation to occur and the development of a fetus, and eventual deliver of a newborn. While this is highly improbably (less then 1 in a billion) it does allow for the scenario. There have been a few cases of possible parthenogenesis, but these were tested back in the 1950/60's long before our current understanding of genetics had come about. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63559778 United States 10/04/2014 07:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It was actually Enlil. Remember that Jesus's primary objective was originally not to save mankind, but to enslave them in yet another religion. BUT...in the midst of his mission, he actually fell in love with humanity, and ended up attempting to help them. Too little too late. And it's likely why his sick ass fucked up dad had him murdered. It is also why jesus was not a jew. It's why he had blond hair and blue eyes like his fellow Annunaki. Also why he was raised from death. It's all written in the Sumerian transcripts. Most of you are too obtuse to actually read something. The bible was entirely extracted from ancient Sumerian writings. |
CSI Judea (OP) User ID: 61373691 United States 10/04/2014 07:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't think any of you are getting down to it yet. If Jesus had a normal human body, then he had normal human DNA. This requires a blend of maternal and paternal DNA. The narrative tells us where the maternal DNA came from, case closed. But what of the paternal DNA? 'God' being, at least, all knowing could certainly create the paternal DNA sequence required in some sort of God lab and have a technician (angel) inseminate it. (Therefore 'God' provides the paternal DAN.) But in this case, why would 'God' need to engineer the paternal DNA and not the maternal DNA? In the not so distant future, probably within the life span of must GLPer's, designer fetuses (with custom DNA for maternal and paternal sequences) will be a reality. Did 'God' use the technology at God lab to engineer a custom paternal DNA sequence (with mostly Jewish traits)? If so, why? Or was an actual Jewish man's DNA selected to be used (without sexual contact with Mary) and his identity kept secrete? If so, why? |
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CSI Judea (OP) User ID: 61373691 United States 10/04/2014 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm only going with biblical premises followed by scientific reason that would allow for the premise. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56963000 premise- Jesus is of a virgin birth. premise- Jehovah was the father of Jesus While the second premise can neither prove nor disprove paternity in this case it can offer a possible solution for the first. Chimeric Mosaicism would allow for a female who carries male chromosomes that are not expressed from her father, in that she would have been fraternal twins that fused in early development. As she began menses she could have had a few eggs that failed in meiosis resulting in a complete cell that had been programmed to be and egg. upon maturation this type of egg can spontaneously begin the process mitosis and auto-zygogenisis. Allowing uterine implantation to occur and the development of a fetus, and eventual deliver of a newborn. While this is highly improbably (less then 1 in a billion) it does allow for the scenario. There have been a few cases of possible parthenogenesis, but these were tested back in the 1950/60's long before our current understanding of genetics had come about. ^^ You're getting down to it - nice work! ^^ OK, let's assume this is the case improbable as it may be. What can we conclude? ->MARY is the mother/father of Jesus<- |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63559778 United States 10/04/2014 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most of you are basing your assumptions on the bible and your silly interpretations of the bible. Or what some pastor with an agenda told you. If you are citing scripture as proof, then you can not be taken seriously. Sorry. But bible thumpers are considered not credible in this topic. The bible is only 2% of what is available. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63633332 Canada 10/04/2014 08:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It was actually Enlil. Remember that Jesus's primary objective was originally not to save mankind, but to enslave them in yet another religion. BUT...in the midst of his mission, he actually fell in love with humanity, and ended up attempting to help them. Too little too late. And it's likely why his sick ass fucked up dad had him murdered. It is also why jesus was not a jew. It's why he had blond hair and blue eyes like his fellow Annunaki. Also why he was raised from death. It's all written in the Sumerian transcripts. Most of you are too obtuse to actually read something. The bible was entirely extracted from ancient Sumerian writings. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63559778 United States 10/04/2014 08:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus was a hybrid. Half human, half Annunaki. The Sumerian scriptures clearly state the exact lineage of jesus. And since the bible comes entirely from Sumerian scriptures, and has over 80,000 KNOWN alterations since then, you have no other option than to turn to the original source. The bible simply is not a credible source. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63633332 Canada 10/04/2014 08:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm only going with biblical premises followed by scientific reason that would allow for the premise. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56963000 premise- Jesus is of a virgin birth. premise- Jehovah was the father of Jesus While the second premise can neither prove nor disprove paternity in this case it can offer a possible solution for the first. Chimeric Mosaicism would allow for a female who carries male chromosomes that are not expressed from her father, in that she would have been fraternal twins that fused in early development. As she began menses she could have had a few eggs that failed in meiosis resulting in a complete cell that had been programmed to be and egg. upon maturation this type of egg can spontaneously begin the process mitosis and auto-zygogenisis. Allowing uterine implantation to occur and the development of a fetus, and eventual deliver of a newborn. While this is highly improbably (less then 1 in a billion) it does allow for the scenario. There have been a few cases of possible parthenogenesis, but these were tested back in the 1950/60's long before our current understanding of genetics had come about. ^^ You're getting down to it - nice work! ^^ OK, let's assume this is the case improbable as it may be. What can we conclude? ->MARY is the mother/father of Jesus<- You worship columbiya, not mary. Mary was another disciple of Jesus, in a unique position. Missionary. Behold, this is the truth |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63559778 United States 10/04/2014 08:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It was actually Enlil. Remember that Jesus's primary objective was originally not to save mankind, but to enslave them in yet another religion. BUT...in the midst of his mission, he actually fell in love with humanity, and ended up attempting to help them. Too little too late. And it's likely why his sick ass fucked up dad had him murdered. It is also why jesus was not a jew. It's why he had blond hair and blue eyes like his fellow Annunaki. Also why he was raised from death. It's all written in the Sumerian transcripts. Most of you are too obtuse to actually read something. The bible was entirely extracted from ancient Sumerian writings. Took long enough for that cult derived idiotic brainwashed response. So predictable. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63633332 Canada 10/04/2014 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus was a hybrid. Half human, half Annunaki. The Sumerian scriptures clearly state the exact lineage of jesus. And since the bible comes entirely from Sumerian scriptures, and has over 80,000 KNOWN alterations since then, you have no other option than to turn to the original source. The bible simply is not a credible source. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63559778 Nope. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63633332 Canada 10/04/2014 08:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It was actually Enlil. Remember that Jesus's primary objective was originally not to save mankind, but to enslave them in yet another religion. BUT...in the midst of his mission, he actually fell in love with humanity, and ended up attempting to help them. Too little too late. And it's likely why his sick ass fucked up dad had him murdered. It is also why jesus was not a jew. It's why he had blond hair and blue eyes like his fellow Annunaki. Also why he was raised from death. It's all written in the Sumerian transcripts. Most of you are too obtuse to actually read something. The bible was entirely extracted from ancient Sumerian writings. Took long enough for that cult derived idiotic brainwashed response. So predictable. Get out of the lane if you don't want to be sheered, this is real shit. If you don't understand it, shut the fuck up |
CSI Judea (OP) User ID: 61373691 United States 10/04/2014 08:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think Joseph, they document his lineage, not Mary's in Matthew. Christ later says that through God it is possible to raise children for Abraham from stones. I don't think its far fetched at all for Joseph's dna to be introduced to Mary's without copulation. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62103152 Great point about the narrative documenting Josephs lineage, never thought of that before, why would it matter? But then, to my question above, why was this kept secret? (No doubt because it would invalidate the claim of divinity - both mom and dad or normal humans.) Again, artifically inseminating Mary with Joseph's DNA is absolutely possible with today's technology. Extrapolating that 'divine' beings had those, and greater, capabilities in the past is no stretch at all. |
CSI Judea (OP) User ID: 61373691 United States 10/04/2014 08:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most of you are basing your assumptions on the bible and your silly interpretations of the bible. Or what some pastor with an agenda told you. If you are citing scripture as proof, then you can not be taken seriously. Sorry. But bible thumpers are considered not credible in this topic. The bible is only 2% of what is available. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63559778 Correct. The point is that the new testament (NT) narrative is the basis of faith for millions of Jesus believers. The narrative can either stand up to a logical analysis, using deductive reasoning based on proven scientific principles, or it can't. If it can't, believers need to find a new faith. If it can, all the more power to believers. |
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MONSTER User ID: 2819601 United States 10/04/2014 08:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus was a hybrid. Half human, half Annunaki. The Sumerian scriptures clearly state the exact lineage of jesus. And since the bible comes entirely from Sumerian scriptures, and has over 80,000 KNOWN alterations since then, you have no other option than to turn to the original source. The bible simply is not a credible source. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63559778 The human race is all hybrid. Jesus was far beyond the average KINGDOMS, NATIONS AND KINGS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT DOWN TO THEIR KNEES WITH ONE GLANCE FROM A WOMAN. I WEAR MY SKIN OF ARMOR SO NO ONE CAN GET IN AND NO ONE CAN GET OUT. HOW CAN I MOURN YOU, WHEN I HAVE NEVER LET YOU GO, monster 1991-2008 RIP |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 50661111 United States 10/04/2014 08:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The thought occurred to me today that the foundation of the Jesus narrative in the bible (NT) is the story of the virgin birth. For centuries a virgin birth was considered a miracle, and of course a miraculous birth was a necessity for any claim of divinity. Quoting: CSI Judea 61373691 Today virgin births are possible via artificial insemination. Nothing miraculous about it anymore, science has enabled this. OK... The NT narrative states that Mary was the mother - thus we know her eggs provided the maternal DNA. If Jesus was a normal human, with normal human DNA, then who/what provided the paternal DNA portion for his chromosomes? (Sidebar: and if Jesus wasn't a normal human could he still qualify theologically as the savior of humanity?) Considering the NT narrative indicates nothing unusual about his appearance, we can infer form this his features fit in with the local population. This observation supports paternal DNA of Jewish origin, even if it wasn't provided via sexual contact. I'm not suggesting it came from Joseph, I take the narrative at face value on this point. Thoughts? it wasn't required when He was born the first time nor was it required when He was reborn aka resurrected if you aren't yet aware of the power of the Living Word then you simply are yet asleep look up the term Omnipotent or just stick around and you can witness such first hand |