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Jesus's DNA - who's the Father?

 
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look for the story of the found ark of covenant and jesus blood...just look it up
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hf also I've read tests from the shroud of Turan only resulted in 1/2 human DNA.
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Mary was a true hermaphrodite who produces both sperm and egg cell in "her" body. The miracle of Christ's birth is when God allowed Mary's sperm cell to impregnate her own egg cell.

Aside from having an ambiguous-looking external genitalia, true hermaphroditism in humans differs from pseudohermaphroditism in that the person's karyotype has both XX and XY chromosome pairs and having both testicular and ovarian tissue.
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The thought occurred to me today that the foundation of the Jesus narrative in the bible (NT) is the story of the virgin birth. For centuries a virgin birth was considered a miracle, and of course a miraculous birth was a necessity for any claim of divinity.

Today virgin births are possible via artificial insemination. Nothing miraculous about it anymore, science has enabled this.

OK...

The NT narrative states that Mary was the mother - thus we know her eggs provided the maternal DNA.

If Jesus was a normal human, with normal human DNA, then who/what provided the paternal DNA portion for his chromosomes?

(Sidebar: and if Jesus wasn't a normal human could he still qualify theologically as the savior of humanity?)

Considering the NT narrative indicates nothing unusual about his appearance, we can infer form this his features fit in with the local population. This observation supports paternal DNA of Jewish origin, even if it wasn't provided via sexual contact. I'm not suggesting it came from Joseph, I take the narrative at face value on this point.

Thoughts?
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If God can part the red Sea for Moses, he can restore a virgin's hymen after dropping his seed into her. THUS...virgin birth! God banged Mary and sealed her afterward. GOD WINS!
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Since God is so powerful, he certainly doesn't need to "bang" anyone in order for her to give birth to His Son.
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The thought occurred to me today that the foundation of the Jesus narrative in the bible (NT) is the story of the virgin birth. For centuries a virgin birth was considered a miracle, and of course a miraculous birth was a necessity for any claim of divinity.

Today virgin births are possible via artificial insemination. Nothing miraculous about it anymore, science has enabled this.

OK...

The NT narrative states that Mary was the mother - thus we know her eggs provided the maternal DNA.

If Jesus was a normal human, with normal human DNA, then who/what provided the paternal DNA portion for his chromosomes?

(Sidebar: and if Jesus wasn't a normal human could he still qualify theologically as the savior of humanity?)

Considering the NT narrative indicates nothing unusual about his appearance, we can infer form this his features fit in with the local population. This observation supports paternal DNA of Jewish origin, even if it wasn't provided via sexual contact. I'm not suggesting it came from Joseph, I take the narrative at face value on this point.

Thoughts?
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I'm of opinion Julius Caesar was Jesus' father and Cleopatra, Pharao of Egypyt was his mother ... thus unification of known eastern and western world under one birth right King.

His demonstrable heirs thus rightful Kings of known world.

Corrupt and deviant Senate, who Caesar had been clamping down on for their perversions and immoral practices, had other ideas, and killed Caesar and his supporters (Marc-Antony), supposedly Cleopatra, and the historically recognized child Caesarian aka. Jesus of Nazareth.
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His father was Julius Caesar and his mother was Cleopatra the 6th, she say`d she was the reincarnated virgin ISIS. His first name was Caesarino and at the age of 13 Cleopatra sent him away with a maiden named Mary who was married to an uncle named Joseph. the tin merchant who traveled north towards Ireland to take metals from the earth. Hence Jesus was in Ireland stories the irish claim. After caesar was killed, Cleopatra married Marc Anthony and had a twin boy and girl, her name was Cleopatra selene, hence Mag de Lene. Caesirino went by the name ESU, then greek form ESUS, Latin form JESUS. (ESU meaning Son Of ISIS) His twin brother which is mentioned in the bible is not actually his twin, its his younger brother who is a twin of his half sister Selene. The twin brothers name was Alexander Helios who is also Thomas Ditimus the decipal, Marc and cleo had a third born named Ptolemy Philadeiphus who is also James the decipal. Jesus and Mary inbred a new born, the same way kings and queens still do it today. Oh, the statue of liberty is Cleopatra Selene, Notice the maternity robe she wears. Everyone says its because the birth of america, no its because she's pregnant with her half brother (Ceasarino`s) baby. The statues face was taken from the ancient coins of egypt which bore Cleopatra`s image. it goes on and on
p.s the washignton monument, 555ft hight, but 111ft underground =666 ft. or is it coincidence.
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Missed this one ... we are somewhat in sympatico cheers

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Obviously Aliens

White light, she see's angels, they impregnate her, walla.
A son with perfect DNA is born. None of the moms or dads.

Then we kill him.
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His father was Julius Caesar and his mother was Cleopatra the 6th, she say`d she was the reincarnated virgin ISIS. His first name was Caesarino and at the age of 13 Cleopatra sent him away with a maiden named Mary who was married to an uncle named Joseph. the tin merchant who traveled north towards Ireland to take metals from the earth. Hence Jesus was in Ireland stories the irish claim. After caesar was killed, Cleopatra married Marc Anthony and had a twin boy and girl, her name was Cleopatra selene, hence Mag de Lene. Caesirino went by the name ESU, then greek form ESUS, Latin form JESUS. (ESU meaning Son Of ISIS) His twin brother which is mentioned in the bible is not actually his twin, its his younger brother who is a twin of his half sister Selene. The twin brothers name was Alexander Helios who is also Thomas Ditimus the decipal, Marc and cleo had a third born named Ptolemy Philadeiphus who is also James the decipal. Jesus and Mary inbred a new born, the same way kings and queens still do it today. Oh, the statue of liberty is Cleopatra Selene, Notice the maternity robe she wears. Everyone says its because the birth of america, no its because she's pregnant with her half brother (Ceasarino`s) baby. The statues face was taken from the ancient coins of egypt which bore Cleopatra`s image. it goes on and on
p.s the washignton monument, 555ft hight, but 111ft underground =666 ft. or is it coincidence.
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CT ... any references you can quote?
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JUlIUS CAESAR
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ENKI
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He might be important, but he is also Abel, Abraham, Abram and Jacob. He is still the energy who rules this world.

He hasn't made this a pleasant world, has he?

Why would we want to live with Enki and his androids, anymore? Well for one, I do not.
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I think the Enlil-bots are being represented as followers of Enkido Idol1 ... something doesn't smell right
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Aside from _credentials_ in this topic area, we might also consider our respective _pedigrees_ and let our casual references to _logic_ be offered with a little more _technical rigor_ ... A _comprehensive_ list of the Bible's references to physical appearance is _necessary_ to avoid leaving the impression that we're _arm-waving_. It is useless to try to _fool_ anyone with our _typographical histrionics_ because in the end we would be _found out._
It seems someone asked about the physical appearance of the _Romans_. Did the Bible give us descriptions of any red-haired Romans? Any blue-eyed Romans? hf
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There is no mention of red-haired or blue-eyed Romans that I'm aware of....the e-floor is yours.
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God may have materilised his own seed inside of Mary, or used the male DNA in Mary's brain to instigate impregnation.

I believe we will put this DNA in a womans brain to rest eventually. And it will be discovered she inherits it from her line of forefathers.

This is how Christ was the seed of David. The mothers carried it in their bodies and Jesus was able to be both mitochondrial Jewish as well as Y chromosome Jewish.

The same Y chromosome of King David.
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GLPer's,

Time for a recap? Answers offered so far:

(A) Mary's DNA provided everything via an extremely uncommon natural biological possibility.

(B) Joseph's DNA was used on the paternal side, without sexual contact. Only his lineage (traced back to David) was presented in the narrative, fulfilling the narratives claim that the messiah would come from the house of David.

(C) 'God' provided the paternal DNA supernaturally.

(D) A wayward Scandinavian sailor's DNA (with blond hair and blue eyes presumably).

(E) Aliens

(F) Julius Ceaser and Cleopatra the 6th


Did I miss any??
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Simple. Excavate Jesus's tomb and conduct DNA test. If his father DNA is human and matches partially with any jew alive, declare christainity as a hoax religion.
:pope;
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Why? It clearly states in prophecy that the messiah would be of the line of David, (who is human), and Joseph was a descendant of this line. If Christ had been anything else, than the prophecy would not be fullfulled.
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Someone ten generations downstream from David would have 1,024 ancestors in David's generation. But how many descendants did David have in 10 generations? It's not impossible that Cleopatra was one of them, or even Julius Caesar.

I personally believe that DNA teaches us there are dimensions beyond pedigree in the human pageant.
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Aside from _credentials_ in this topic area, we might also consider our respective _pedigrees_ and let our casual references to _logic_ be offered with a little more _technical rigor_ ... A _comprehensive_ list of the Bible's references to physical appearance is _necessary_ to avoid leaving the impression that we're _arm-waving_. It is useless to try to _fool_ anyone with our _typographical histrionics_ because in the end we would be _found out._
It seems someone asked about the physical appearance of the _Romans_. Did the Bible give us descriptions of any red-haired Romans? Any blue-eyed Romans? hf
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There is no mention of red-haired or blue-eyed Romans that I'm aware of....the e-floor is yours.
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Thank You. I'm hoping someone is ROFL about it. In a good way.
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did jesus have ab or ab- blood?
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ENKI
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He might be important, but he is also Abel, Abraham, Abram and Jacob. He is still the energy who rules this world.

He hasn't made this a pleasant world, has he?

Why would we want to live with Enki and his androids, anymore? Well for one, I do not.
 Quoting: Janemer


I think the Enlil-bots are being represented as followers of Enkido Idol1 ... something doesn't smell right
 Quoting: Woot Woot


bump for intelligent discussion
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They got blood off the Shroud of Turin which had DNA in it, when tested it didnt have any Y chromosome which we get from the male side of our father. So egg wasnt fertilized by any male
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Blood type AB would be the same as Mothers
KINGDOMS, NATIONS AND KINGS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT DOWN TO THEIR KNEES WITH ONE GLANCE FROM A WOMAN.

I WEAR MY SKIN OF ARMOR SO NO ONE CAN GET IN AND NO ONE CAN GET OUT.

HOW CAN I MOURN YOU, WHEN I HAVE NEVER LET YOU GO, monster 1991-2008 RIP
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The thought occurred to me today that the foundation of the Jesus narrative in the bible (NT) is the story of the virgin birth. For centuries a virgin birth was considered a miracle, and of course a miraculous birth was a necessity for any claim of divinity.

Today virgin births are possible via artificial insemination. Nothing miraculous about it anymore, science has enabled this.

OK...

The NT narrative states that Mary was the mother - thus we know her eggs provided the maternal DNA.

If Jesus was a normal human, with normal human DNA, then who/what provided the paternal DNA portion for his chromosomes?

(Sidebar: and if Jesus wasn't a normal human could he still qualify theologically as the savior of humanity?)

Considering the NT narrative indicates nothing unusual about his appearance, we can infer form this his features fit in with the local population. This observation supports paternal DNA of Jewish origin, even if it wasn't provided via sexual contact. I'm not suggesting it came from Joseph, I take the narrative at face value on this point.

Thoughts?
 Quoting: CSI Judea 61373691

Rubbish he stood out in the crowd because he was so different. Read the letters to Rome from observers of Jesus about his beautiful appearance and how different he was from the rest
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Until the council of nicea, he was just a man. Changed to fit the control narrative better.
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A worthy question.
That is one of the reasons Christ said he would return with his Father.
Reincarnation via a bloodline.
His Father is to be "Born Again", then he discovers his son is the "Born Again" Christ.

Hebrews1:6
And "Again" when 'He' bringeth in the 'Firstbegotten' into the World.
He saith, "And let all the Angels of God worship..."Him".

Matthew 24:36
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

John14:1
Thomas could not comprehend what Jesus meant when He said...
"I will come again, and take you to myself.
That where I am... You may be also, and you know the way where I am going."
Thomas asked..."How can We know The Way?"
Jesus answered.... "I am The Way... and The Truth... and The Life."

Thomas was his Father, is again.

Thomas was a Carpenter. Is Again.

John14:2
In my Fathers house... are many Mansions.
If it were not so... I would have told you.
I go to prepare a place for you.

John20:26
And after eight days... again his Desciples were within.
And Thomas with Them... then came Jesus.
The doors being shut... and stood in the midst, and sang....
"Peace be onto You".

Psalms2:12
Kiss the Son... lest He be angry.


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The thought occurred to me today that the foundation of the Jesus narrative in the bible (NT) is the story of the virgin birth. For centuries a virgin birth was considered a miracle, and of course a miraculous birth was a necessity for any claim of divinity.

Today virgin births are possible via artificial insemination. Nothing miraculous about it anymore, science has enabled this.

OK...

The NT narrative states that Mary was the mother - thus we know her eggs provided the maternal DNA.

If Jesus was a normal human, with normal human DNA, then who/what provided the paternal DNA portion for his chromosomes?

(Sidebar: and if Jesus wasn't a normal human could he still qualify theologically as the savior of humanity?)

Considering the NT narrative indicates nothing unusual about his appearance, we can infer form this his features fit in with the local population. This observation supports paternal DNA of Jewish origin, even if it wasn't provided via sexual contact. I'm not suggesting it came from Joseph, I take the narrative at face value on this point.

Thoughts?
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