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Anonymous Coward User ID: 60926590 United States 10/07/2014 05:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP please consider this. If the only thing Jesus wanted was for people to follow the old testament law, why would Jesus give us new commandments? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63754214 And now I give you a new commandment: love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. (John 13:34) Jesus answered, “What God wants you to do is to believe in the one he sent.” (John 6:29) What he commands is that we believe in his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as Christ commanded us. (1 John 3:23) Jesus didn't command that the people believe in him as the son of God. Here is the message Jesus preached scribe: ‘Which commandment is the first of all?’ Jesus: The first is, “Hear, O Israel: the Lord OUR God, the Lord is one; (He repeated the message of Moses) you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.” this is the 2nd command The scribe said:‘You are right, Teacher; you have truly said that “he is one, and besides him there is no other”; Jesus had the opportunity to tell people he is the son of God but he didn't because he knew he is NOT the son of God. The scribe called him a Teacher. That is what he was a teacher/prophet. Teaching his people (children of israel) the torah and gospel. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54980830 United States 10/07/2014 05:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When he said he came to fulfill the law and not do away with it, he came to fulfill the promise of the messiah. He is the Messiah, not a replacement, but IS. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54980830 The law is written in the hearts of Christians. But do you practice this law that is written in the hearts of Christians? Can you tell me what the law is? One is easier for me than the other. I struggle, therefore am filthy in the eyes of God, in they eyes of man, I'm pretty much a saint (not literally but graded on a curve of our society atm, I don't do too bad....but still, filthy to the Lord). Thank goodness my sins are paid for by Jesus. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63754214 Australia 10/07/2014 05:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When he said he came to fulfill the law and not do away with it, he came to fulfill the promise of the messiah. He is the Messiah, not a replacement, but IS. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54980830 The law is written in the hearts of Christians. But do you practice this law that is written in the hearts of Christians? Can you tell me what the law is? Love God with all your heart and love your neighbors as yourself. please refer to John 13:34, John 6:28-29, John 15:12, 1 John 3:22-24. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63754214 Australia 10/07/2014 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP please consider this. If the only thing Jesus wanted was for people to follow the old testament law, why would Jesus give us new commandments? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63754214 And now I give you a new commandment: love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. (John 13:34) Jesus answered, “What God wants you to do is to believe in the one he sent.” (John 6:29) What he commands is that we believe in his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as Christ commanded us. (1 John 3:23) Jesus didn't command that the people believe in him as the son of God. please refer to what the bible says: What he commands is that we believe in his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as Christ commanded us. (1 John 3:23) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60926590 United States 10/07/2014 05:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He came to fulfill the law by being without sin and receiving the punishment for ours. He made the law impossible to keep so that we would all stand guilty. Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. Its not about legalism. Its about relationship. You can't explain the genuine born again experience. It must be experienced for yourself. Its not about saying a little prayer and going on with business as usual. I don't believe because I was scared of hell or brainwashed. I had a real encounter with the Holy Spirit that was tangible both emotionally and physically. A love and power that I had never known and it changed me forever. This is the difference between saying a half hearted prayer that leaves you as empty as you started and having a life changing conversion. Its sad how twisted the gospel has been presented to people many times over the years. Pretend church buildings and preachers are not part of the equation. Forget about the people promising a life without struggles or getting snatched into the clouds before gas hits $5 a gallon. Read the bible, cry out to the Lord sincerely and He will be found. Let go of this world because it is all passing away. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63712063 But his mother was without sin. So who did God sacrifice Jesus too? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36045510 United States 10/07/2014 05:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When he said he came to fulfill the law and not do away with it, he came to fulfill the promise of the messiah. He is the Messiah, not a replacement, but IS. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54980830 The law is written in the hearts of Christians. But do you practice this law that is written in the hearts of Christians? Can you tell me what the law is? The 10 Commandments |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60926590 United States 10/07/2014 05:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP please consider this. If the only thing Jesus wanted was for people to follow the old testament law, why would Jesus give us new commandments? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63754214 And now I give you a new commandment: love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. (John 13:34) Jesus answered, “What God wants you to do is to believe in the one he sent.” (John 6:29) What he commands is that we believe in his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as Christ commanded us. (1 John 3:23) Jesus didn't command that the people believe in him as the son of God. please refer to what the bible says: What he commands is that we believe in his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as Christ commanded us. (1 John 3:23) Jesus told you to worship ONE God. You are going against Jesus' message. Isaiah 45:21-22, “And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.” You guys pick and choose from your own bible, its very sad. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6858375 United States 10/07/2014 05:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He came to fulfill the law by being without sin and receiving the punishment for ours. He made the law impossible to keep so that we would all stand guilty. Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. Its not about legalism. Its about relationship. You can't explain the genuine born again experience. It must be experienced for yourself. Its not about saying a little prayer and going on with business as usual. I don't believe because I was scared of hell or brainwashed. I had a real encounter with the Holy Spirit that was tangible both emotionally and physically. A love and power that I had never known and it changed me forever. This is the difference between saying a half hearted prayer that leaves you as empty as you started and having a life changing conversion. Its sad how twisted the gospel has been presented to people many times over the years. Pretend church buildings and preachers are not part of the equation. Forget about the people promising a life without struggles or getting snatched into the clouds before gas hits $5 a gallon. Read the bible, cry out to the Lord sincerely and He will be found. Let go of this world because it is all passing away. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63712063 But his mother was without sin. So who did God sacrifice Jesus too? NOWHERE does Scripture claim that. Please do not preach it or believe it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57260171 United States 10/07/2014 05:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus fulfilled parts of the law forever ! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62878501 No more blood sacrifice ! Jesus fulfilled it ! No more sabbath either No more festival No more strict diet Here is what you need to do , be born again and follow Jesus to eat his body just means the manna from heaven(God's Word fed through the Holy Spirit directly from His mouth to ours, the solid food, no longer milk from pastors and preachers) we all have the possibility to know him personally now and have the whole time, but we instead of going through him, we took the long way home having preachers and religions constantly confusing us. rev 3:11 …10 Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11 'I am coming quickly; hold fast what you have, so that no one will take your crown. 12'He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.… |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60926590 United States 10/07/2014 05:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He came to fulfill the law by being without sin and receiving the punishment for ours. He made the law impossible to keep so that we would all stand guilty. Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. Its not about legalism. Its about relationship. You can't explain the genuine born again experience. It must be experienced for yourself. Its not about saying a little prayer and going on with business as usual. I don't believe because I was scared of hell or brainwashed. I had a real encounter with the Holy Spirit that was tangible both emotionally and physically. A love and power that I had never known and it changed me forever. This is the difference between saying a half hearted prayer that leaves you as empty as you started and having a life changing conversion. Its sad how twisted the gospel has been presented to people many times over the years. Pretend church buildings and preachers are not part of the equation. Forget about the people promising a life without struggles or getting snatched into the clouds before gas hits $5 a gallon. Read the bible, cry out to the Lord sincerely and He will be found. Let go of this world because it is all passing away. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63712063 But his mother was without sin. So who did God sacrifice Jesus too? NOWHERE does Scripture claim that. Please do not preach it or believe it. Well why do you think God chose Mary? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54980830 United States 10/07/2014 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He came to fulfill the law by being without sin and receiving the punishment for ours. He made the law impossible to keep so that we would all stand guilty. Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. Its not about legalism. Its about relationship. You can't explain the genuine born again experience. It must be experienced for yourself. Its not about saying a little prayer and going on with business as usual. I don't believe because I was scared of hell or brainwashed. I had a real encounter with the Holy Spirit that was tangible both emotionally and physically. A love and power that I had never known and it changed me forever. This is the difference between saying a half hearted prayer that leaves you as empty as you started and having a life changing conversion. Its sad how twisted the gospel has been presented to people many times over the years. Pretend church buildings and preachers are not part of the equation. Forget about the people promising a life without struggles or getting snatched into the clouds before gas hits $5 a gallon. Read the bible, cry out to the Lord sincerely and He will be found. Let go of this world because it is all passing away. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63712063 But his mother was without sin. So who did God sacrifice Jesus too? NOWHERE does Scripture claim that. Please do not preach it or believe it. Well why do you think God chose Mary? Probly the same reason why he spared Lott. ??????? all speculative. Jesus was the only flesh without sin-not speculative. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60926590 United States 10/07/2014 05:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus fulfilled parts of the law forever ! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62878501 No more blood sacrifice ! Jesus fulfilled it ! No more sabbath either No more festival No more strict diet Here is what you need to do , be born again and follow Jesus to eat his body just means the manna from heaven(God's Word fed through the Holy Spirit directly from His mouth to ours, the solid food, no longer milk from pastors and preachers) But how do you follow Jesus when there is no more sabbtah, or strict diet? Didn't Jesus pray, and how did he pray? Can we follow how he prayed? He fasted, can we follow him and fast? So how do you follow Jesus?? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1003364 United States 10/07/2014 05:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He came to fulfill the law by being without sin and receiving the punishment for ours. He made the law impossible to keep so that we would all stand guilty. Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. Its not about legalism. Its about relationship. You can't explain the genuine born again experience. It must be experienced for yourself. Its not about saying a little prayer and going on with business as usual. I don't believe because I was scared of hell or brainwashed. I had a real encounter with the Holy Spirit that was tangible both emotionally and physically. A love and power that I had never known and it changed me forever. This is the difference between saying a half hearted prayer that leaves you as empty as you started and having a life changing conversion. Its sad how twisted the gospel has been presented to people many times over the years. Pretend church buildings and preachers are not part of the equation. Forget about the people promising a life without struggles or getting snatched into the clouds before gas hits $5 a gallon. Read the bible, cry out to the Lord sincerely and He will be found. Let go of this world because it is all passing away. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63712063 Thanks. However, to be totally honest I do not believe in the Bible, or Jesus, or the God of the Bible... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4627571 United States 10/07/2014 05:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus fulfilled parts of the law forever ! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62878501 No more blood sacrifice ! Jesus fulfilled it ! No more sabbath either No more festival No more strict diet Here is what you need to do , be born again and follow Jesus to eat his body just means the manna from heaven(God's Word fed through the Holy Spirit directly from His mouth to ours, the solid food, no longer milk from pastors and preachers) But how do you follow Jesus when there is no more sabbtah, or strict diet? Didn't Jesus pray, and how did he pray? Can we follow how he prayed? He fasted, can we follow him and fast? So how do you follow Jesus?? With your heart, mind and soul. By practicing the teachings He taught us in the Bible, in the New Testaments. By obeying the LAW as best as we can. In Jesus Christ. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4627571 United States 10/07/2014 05:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus fulfilled parts of the law forever ! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62878501 No more blood sacrifice ! Jesus fulfilled it ! No more sabbath either No more festival No more strict diet Here is what you need to do , be born again and follow Jesus to eat his body just means the manna from heaven(God's Word fed through the Holy Spirit directly from His mouth to ours, the solid food, no longer milk from pastors and preachers) But how do you follow Jesus when there is no more sabbtah, or strict diet? Didn't Jesus pray, and how did he pray? Can we follow how he prayed? He fasted, can we follow him and fast? So how do you follow Jesus?? With your heart, mind and soul. By practicing the teachings He taught us in the Bible, in the New Testaments. By obeying the LAW as best as we can. In Jesus Christ. When I say the LAW, I mean the 10 commandments, which in total summary is: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and soul. Love your neighbor as thyself. In Jesus Christ. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63757714 Australia 10/07/2014 05:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus told you to worship ONE God. You are going against Jesus' message. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60926590 Isaiah 45:21-22, “And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.” You guys pick and choose from your own bible, its very sad. Jesus is God. All I did was quote from the bible. You're arguing with the bible. You say: Jesus didn't command that the people believe in him as the son of God. Bible says: What he commands is that we believe in his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as Christ commanded us. (1 John 3:23) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60926590 United States 10/07/2014 05:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60926590 But his mother was without sin. So who did God sacrifice Jesus too? NOWHERE does Scripture claim that. Please do not preach it or believe it. Well why do you think God chose Mary? Probly the same reason why he spared Lott. ??????? all speculative. Jesus was the only flesh without sin-not speculative. I don't understand this, God chose Mary for a reason. Do you know the answer? Do you know the story of Mary? I want to know more about Mary and why she was chosen to be the mother of Jesus and why Jesus was pure and Mary wasn't ? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60926590 United States 10/07/2014 05:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus told you to worship ONE God. You are going against Jesus' message. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60926590 Isaiah 45:21-22, “And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.” You guys pick and choose from your own bible, its very sad. Jesus is God. All I did was quote from the bible. You're arguing with the bible. You say: Jesus didn't command that the people believe in him as the son of God. Bible says: What he commands is that we believe in his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as Christ commanded us. (1 John 3:23) I am not arguing with you, I quote the 2 most important commandments in the bible that Jesus preached and you refuse to believe in the commandments. Anyway I'm a follower of Jesus because i believe in the 2 most important commandments he preached. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54980830 United States 10/07/2014 05:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6858375 NOWHERE does Scripture claim that. Please do not preach it or believe it. Well why do you think God chose Mary? Probly the same reason why he spared Lott. ??????? all speculative. Jesus was the only flesh without sin-not speculative. I don't understand this, God chose Mary for a reason. Do you know the answer? Do you know the story of Mary? I want to know more about Mary and why she was chosen to be the mother of Jesus and why Jesus was pure and Mary wasn't ? The Bible said that God found Favor in Mary. It says nothing about her being without sin, as a matter of fact, Jesus said there is no way to the father except through me. Please quote just one verse (we really should have 2) but please find ONE verse where it states Mary was without sin. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 63757714 Australia 10/07/2014 06:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am not arguing with you, I quote the 2 most important commandments in the bible that Jesus preached and you refuse to believe in the commandments. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60926590 Anyway I'm a follower of Jesus because i believe in the 2 most important commandments he preached. We have to read it in context to understand it. 34 When the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they came together, 35 and one of them, a teacher of the Law, tried to trap him with a question. 36 “Teacher,” he asked, “which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 Jesus answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and the most important commandment. 39 The second most important commandment is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as you love yourself.’ 40 The whole Law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets depend on these two commandments.” (Matthew 22:34-40) [link to www.biblegateway.com] The question they asked Jesus was: "which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Then Jesus replied with the two greatest commandments in the Law of Moses. And He told them that the whole Law of Moses and the writings of the prophets depend on those two commandments. In other words, the whole of the old testament books depend on those two commandments. Note that He was specifically asked what is the greatest commandment "in the Law", ie: the Law of Moses. The question was not "what are the 2 most important commandments ever". Therefore He answered them with the greatest commandment in the Law of Moses, and as a bonus, also told them the second greatest commandment in the Law of Moses. Therefore, those two commandments are just what Jesus said they are, the two greatest commandments in the Law of Moses. For Christians, the two greatest commandments are straight from Jesus Himself: 28 So they asked him, “What can we do in order to do what God wants us to do?” 29 Jesus answered, “What God wants you to do is to believe in the one he sent.” (John 6:28-29) And now I give you a new commandment: love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. (John 13:34) My commandment is this: love one another, just as I love you. (John 15:12) What he commands is that we believe in his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as Christ commanded us. (1 John 3:23) |
The Dr. User ID: 36511501 United States 10/07/2014 06:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Use some thinking skills.... If there is an active contract and the contractor fullfills the contract, the contract is no longer active because it has been fullfilled! Think Op Think.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61555135 No, that is not what he said. He indicated that not a letter of the law would cease to exist... There are two sides to this. The Law is not done away with. Yet it was always only applied to Israel. From Abraham to Moses there was no Law. It was added because of Israel's sinning against God. The Law was given because Israel was breaking their covenant with God. However, Christians are under a different Covenant with God. It is unbreakable because Jesus can not break the Covenant. So no requirements, like the Law, apply to it. Last Edited by The Dr. on 10/07/2014 06:43 PM “An investment in knowledge pays the best interest.” ~ Benjamin Franklin |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 61876890 United States 10/07/2014 07:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus told you to worship ONE God. You are going against Jesus' message. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60926590 Isaiah 45:21-22, “And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.” You guys pick and choose from your own bible, its very sad. Read Psalm 2. |
WhiteAngel also known at WA User ID: 84411686 United States 12/02/2022 04:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When he said he came to fulfill the law and not do away with it, he came to fulfill the promise of the messiah. He is the Messiah, not a replacement, but IS. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54980830 The law is written in the hearts of Christians. But do you practice this law that is written in the hearts of Christians? Can you tell me what the law is? One is easier for me than the other. I struggle, therefore am filthy in the eyes of God, in they eyes of man, I'm pretty much a saint (not literally but graded on a curve of our society atm, I don't do too bad....but still, filthy to the Lord). Thank goodness my sins are paid for by Jesus. Amen!!!!! Isaiah 5:20 KJV Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Thread: Being Prepared - Updated Basic Food List On Page One |