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Was Joseph, the husband of Mother Mary a pedophile? Joseph was 36 when he married a 13 year old girl!

 
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Was Joseph, the husband of Mother Mary a pedophile? Joseph was 36 when he married a 13 year old girl!
A lot of people seem to accuse the prophet Muhommed of this crime. If the shoe fits for one, it must fit for the other, right?

Wrong.

Not only was it a custom in the Arab society to Engage/Marry a young girl it was also common in the Jewish society. the case of Mary the mother of Jesus comes to mind, in non biblical sources she was between 11-14 years old when she conceived Jesus.

But Mary had already been "BETHROED" to Joseph before conceiving Jesus.

Joseph was a much older man. therefore Mary was younger than 11-14 years of age when she as "BETHROED" to Joseph. we Muslims would never call Joseph a Child Molester, nor would we refer to the "Holy Ghost" of the Bible, that "Impregnated" Mary as a "Rapist" or "Adulterer".

According to the Priest of Saint Mary's Catholic Church: "Mary was approximately 14 years old when she got pregnant with Jesus. Joseph, Mary's Husband is believed to be around 36.

Mary was only 13 when she married Joseph. When she first was arranged with Joseph she was between 7 to 9 years old."

According to the "Oxford Dictionary Bible" commentary, Mary (peace be upon her) was was 12 years old when she became impregnated.

The age of sexual consent is still quite low in many places. In Japan, people can legally have sex at age 13, and in Spain they can legally have sex at age 12. (This data comes from the Age of Consent chart, which you can see at:

[link to www.ageofconsent.com]

The Prophet's contemporaries (both enemies and friends) clearly accepted the Prophet's marriage to `Aisha without any problem. We see the evidence for this by the lack of criticism against the marriage until modern times.

However, a change in culture caused the change in our times today.

A 40-year-old man having sex with a 14-year-old woman may be a "pedophile" in the USA today, but not in China today (where the age of consent is 14), nor in the USA last century.

Biology is a much better standard by which to determine these things in my view, not the arbitrariness of human culture.

In the USA last century, the age of consent was 10 years old. California was the first state to change the age of consent to 14, which it did in 1889. After California, other US states joined in and raised the age of consent too.

[link to www.ageofconsent.com]

To those who keep bringing the crap about Muhammad was a child molester read and think before you post anything against him.

As you speak not only against him, but all other people in this planet and the worse thing is by your own standard Mary’s husband, Joseph, was a child molester too.
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Re: Was Joseph, the husband of Mother Mary a pedophile? Joseph was 36 when he married a 13 year old girl!
Both religions are a sham!

As a matter of fact, all religions are a sham!

So..... stfu and go home now sbus
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Re: Was Joseph, the husband of Mother Mary a pedophile? Joseph was 36 when he married a 13 year old girl!
Yeah that's what I thought I would get.

A bunch of bullshit.

But I suppose that's a given as this post is for those that like to accuse others, but don't like to turn their gaze inward in any way.
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Re: Was Joseph, the husband of Mother Mary a pedophile? Joseph was 36 when he married a 13 year old girl!
Well, in some cultures it's acceptable for Women to get married at 13 and 14 years old. In India, children can get married at 9, and have a civil ceremony at 16.

It's only "Repressed" Christianity/American Society that places the 18+ restrictions on girls getting married.

But I can't see why?

-Evangelicals/Republicans have a higher rate of Online Porn Viewing then any other group.

-Evangelicals/Republicans have a higher rate of Child Sexual Abuse then any other group. (I attribute that to the fact Freemasons now control the Evangelical Churches)

-Evangelicals/Republicans have a higher rate of divorce then any other group.

-Children of Evangelicals/Republicans have a higher rate of suiciding themselves then Children of Democrats.

Evangelicals are hypocritical on every venue. It's no wonder they will be on the left hand side of Jesus when He comes.

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Yeah that's what I thought I would get.

A bunch of bullshit.

But I suppose that's a given as this post is for those that like to accuse others, but don't like to turn their gaze inward in any way.
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It is not bullshit!

Think with your own brain!

All religions have been designed to keep you running around in circles... tard
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Re: Was Joseph, the husband of Mother Mary a pedophile? Joseph was 36 when he married a 13 year old girl!
Well, given that people were old by the time they were 20 back then, I would say that 13 was a good age for marriage!
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Re: Was Joseph, the husband of Mother Mary a pedophile? Joseph was 36 when he married a 13 year old girl!
Well, in some cultures it's acceptable for Women to get married at 13 and 14 years old. In India, children can get married at 9, and have a civil ceremony at 16.

It's only "Repressed" Christianity/American Society that places the 18+ restrictions on girls getting married.

But I can't see why?

jD
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Because the more enlightened Western societies realize that no 9-12 year old girl WANTS to marry or be sexually penetrated by a 40 year old man. Only men are capable of such stupid thinking. And to protect these young girls from being forced to marry against their will, by parents and other relatives, American society has told old men not to have sexual relations with young girls. If the little girls had some great demand to have sex with old men, I'm sure they could eventually collectively talk their parents into getting the laws changed. But funny thing, they're not clamoring for that, are they.
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Re: Was Joseph, the husband of Mother Mary a pedophile? Joseph was 36 when he married a 13 year old girl!
Yeah that's what I thought I would get.

A bunch of bullshit.

But I suppose that's a given as this post is for those that like to accuse others, but don't like to turn their gaze inward in any way.


It is not bullshit!

Think with your own brain!

All religions have been designed to keep you running around in circles... tard
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Look this thread is not for you.

You this a thread for those people who accuse Muhommed of pedophelia.

You sound like you have an intolerance of ALL religion, so you can't really add anything to this thread.
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'modern' americans are simply uptight... that's all there is to that..
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Re: Was Joseph, the husband of Mother Mary a pedophile? Joseph was 36 when he married a 13 year old girl!
Well, in some cultures it's acceptable for Women to get married at 13 and 14 years old. In India, children can get married at 9, and have a civil ceremony at 16.

It's only "Repressed" Christianity/American Society that places the 18+ restrictions on girls getting married.

But I can't see why?

jD



Because the more enlightened Western societies realize that no 9-12 year old girl WANTS to marry or be sexually penetrated by a 40 year old man. Only men are capable of such stupid thinking. And to protect these young girls from being forced to marry against their will, by parents and other relatives, American society has told old men not to have sexual relations with young girls. If the little girls had some great demand to have sex with old men, I'm sure they could eventually collectively talk their parents into getting the laws changed. But funny thing, they're not clamoring for that, are they.
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So does this mean that you think that Joseph was a pedophile, or not?
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Re: Was Joseph, the husband of Mother Mary a pedophile? Joseph was 36 when he married a 13 year old girl!
Yeah that's what I thought I would get.

A bunch of bullshit.

But I suppose that's a given as this post is for those that like to accuse others, but don't like to turn their gaze inward in any way.


It is not bullshit!

Think with your own brain!

All religions have been designed to keep you running around in circles... tard



Look this thread is not for you.

You this a thread for those people who accuse Muhommed of pedophelia.

You sound like you have an intolerance of ALL religion, so you can't really add anything to this thread.
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No stupid!

It is not about being intolerant!

But, if you wish, go ahead, roll over your own vomit.

Perhaps, you are right.
There is nothing else that I can add to your head full of nothing...

stfu IDIOT!
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Re: Was Joseph, the husband of Mother Mary a pedophile? Joseph was 36 when he married a 13 year old girl!
No. I think the age should be raised to 21.

Why? Because Females don't fully develop til their 21. At 13, they are still growing, their bodies and bones.

They are not fully developed until 21.

But, to each their own.

Maybe the world is tired of the United States trying to force its morals and culture on them?

What do they get when they get American Values?

Child Perverts
Serial Killers
Alcholics
Porn Perveyors
Murderers
Rapists
Adulterers
Sodomites
A military that sodomizes innocents with broom handles.
A military that rapes girls, and kills their entire families and buries the bodies.
A military that has no qualms about dropping bombs on civilians, killing children and infants.
Corrupt Politicians.
And a whole cadre of people on TV and Radio to tell us we are the best of the breed.

If I had the money, I'd leave today. But I guess I'll have to tough it out here til I hear that dreaded banging on my door.

I feel like Isaiah. I am a man of unclean lips and I dwell among a people of unclean lips.

jD
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So does this mean that you think that Joseph was a pedophile, or not?
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I would guess the more appropriate term would be an 'ephebophile' rather than a 'pedophile'.
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Re: Was Joseph, the husband of Mother Mary a pedophile? Joseph was 36 when he married a 13 year old girl!
This IS how the world sees American "democracy".

And you are right, we DON'T want it...

It's too bad we don't have a choice though, because it is being thrust on us with the barrel of a gun, and sold to you as what we want.

I am so very glad when I hear about Americans like yourself that realize that it is not welcome by us.

Watching the American news, you would think that the whole world is BEGGING for this "democracy".

Thanks for your veiwpoint.
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Re: Was Joseph, the husband of Mother Mary a pedophile? Joseph was 36 when he married a 13 year old girl!
Seeing as Mary was knocked up by the time Joseph got there, that makes God the pedophile.
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Re: Was Joseph, the husband of Mother Mary a pedophile? Joseph was 36 when he married a 13 year old girl!
So does this mean that you think that Joseph was a pedophile, or not?
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He was not a pedophile because Joseph and Mary were a part of the Essene community which was preparing for the birth of a special prophet. The girls were selected for their purity of spirit and raised in the temple to be the mother of this prophet. There was a spiritual purpose to this. At the age of 12 or so, the girls were lined up in the temple and Mary was chosen by an angel. This story is in the Edgar Cayce records, and also in one of the apocryphal gospels. The story of the Essene Jesus is also told in Oahspe. Because Joseph and Mary were part of an advanced religious community and highly spiritual people, there was no pedophilia involved.
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no
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Re: Was Joseph, the husband of Mother Mary a pedophile? Joseph was 36 when he married a 13 year old girl!
Seeing as Mary was knocked up by the time Joseph got there, that makes God the pedophile.
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Joseph did not know her until after Jesus was born. I think that she was artifically inseminated.
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Re: Was Joseph, the husband of Mother Mary a pedophile? Joseph was 36 when he married a 13 year old girl!
Great, so if Joseph wasn't a pedophile, then we can also agree that Muhammed also was not a pedophile, right?
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Re: Was Joseph, the husband of Mother Mary a pedophile? Joseph was 36 when he married a 13 year old girl!
No. I think the age should be raised to 21.

Why? Because Females don't fully develop til their 21. At 13, they are still growing, their bodies and bones.

They are not fully developed until 21.

But, to each their own.

Maybe the world is tired of the United States trying to force its morals and culture on them?

What do they get when they get American Values?

Child Perverts
Serial Killers
Alcholics
Porn Perveyors
Murderers
Rapists
Adulterers
Sodomites
A military that sodomizes innocents with broom handles.
A military that rapes girls, and kills their entire families and buries the bodies.





Your talkin about russia


kosavo ect


yeahsure
A military that has no qualms about dropping bombs on civilians, killing children and infants.
Corrupt Politicians.
And a whole cadre of people on TV and Radio to tell us we are the best of the breed.

If I had the money, I'd leave today. But I guess I'll have to tough it out here til I hear that dreaded banging on my door.

I feel like Isaiah. I am a man of unclean lips and I dwell among a people of unclean lips.

jD
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Re: Was Joseph, the husband of Mother Mary a pedophile? Joseph was 36 when he married a 13 year old girl!
Great, so if Joseph wasn't a pedophile, then we can also agree that Muhammed also was not a pedophile, right?
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Are there any stories of him marrying young girls or keeping a harem of female children? I'm not familiar with them. This is the only biography I'm familiar with:
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Mohammed, "the Praised One", the prophet of Islam and the founder of Mohammedanism, was born at Mecca (20 August?) A.D. 570. Arabia was then torn by warring factions. The tribe of Fihr, or Quarish, to which Mohammed belonged, had established itself in the south of Hijas (Hedjaz), near Mecca, which was, even then, the principal religious and commercial centre of Arabia.

The power of the tribe was continually increasing; they had become the masters and the acknowledged guardians of the sacred Kaaba, within the town of Mecca — then visited in annual pilgrimage by the heathen Arabs with their offerings and tributes — and had thereby gained such preeminence that it was comparatively easy for Mohammed to inaugurate his religious reform and his political campaign, which ended with the conquest of all Arabia and the fusion of the numerous Arab tribes into one nation, with one religion, one code, and one sanctuary. (See ARABIA, Christianity in Arabia.)

Mohammed's father was Abdallah, of the family of Hashim, who died soon after his son's birth. At the age of six the boy lost his mother and was thereafter taken care of by his uncle Abu-Talib. He spent his early life as a shepherd and an attendant of caravans, and at the age of twenty-five married a rich widow, Khadeejah, fifteen years his senior. She bore him six children, all of whom died very young except Fatima, his beloved daughter.

On his commercial journeys to Syria and Palestine he became acquainted with Jews and Christians, and acquired an imperfect knowledge of their religion and traditions. He was a man of retiring disposition, addicted to prayer and fasting, and was subject to epileptic fits. In his fortieth year (A.D. 612), he claimed to have received a call from the Angel Gabriel, and thus began his active career as the prophet of Allah and the apostle of Arabia. His converts were about forty in all, including his wife, his daughter, his father-in-law Abu Bakr, his adopted son Ali Omar, and his slave Zayd. By his preaching and his attack on heathenism, Mohammed provoked persecution which drove him from Mecca to Medina in 622, the year of the Hejira (Flight) and the beginning of the Mohammedan Era. At Medina he was recognized as the prophet of God, and his followers increased. He took the field against his enemies, conquered several Arabian, Jewish, and Christian tribes, entered Mecca in triumph in 630, demolished the idols of the Kaaba, became master of Arabia, and finally united all the tribes under one emblem and one religion. In 632 he made his last pilgrimage to Mecca at the head of forty thousand followers, and soon after his return died of a violent fever in the sixty-third year of his age, the eleventh of the Hejira, and the year 633 of the Christian era.
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Re: Was Joseph, the husband of Mother Mary a pedophile? Joseph was 36 when he married a 13 year old girl!
People all over the world got married that young at the time - keep in mind life spans were much shorter.
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Re: Was Joseph, the husband of Mother Mary a pedophile? Joseph was 36 when he married a 13 year old girl!
The conversation is just to make a point to those christians who would attack Islam by calling the prophet of Islam a pedo.

They don't like it when you throw their own Hypocrisy in their faces.
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Re: Was Joseph, the husband of Mother Mary a pedophile? Joseph was 36 when he married a 13 year old girl!
NOT to be a smarty pants, but from where do you obtain your figures? What study using what methodology? Numbers of people surveyed? Self-reported "Evangelicals/Republicans?" What about Heathen/Republicans and Evangelical/Democrats?

Well, in some cultures it's acceptable for Women to get married at 13 and 14 years old. In India, children can get married at 9, and have a civil ceremony at 16.

It's only "Repressed" Christianity/American Society that places the 18+ restrictions on girls getting married.

But I can't see why?

-Evangelicals/Republicans have a higher rate of Online Porn Viewing then any other group.

-Evangelicals/Republicans have a higher rate of Child Sexual Abuse then any other group. (I attribute that to the fact Freemasons now control the Evangelical Churches)

-Evangelicals/Republicans have a higher rate of divorce then any other group.

-Children of Evangelicals/Republicans have a higher rate of suiciding themselves then Children of Democrats.

Evangelicals are hypocritical on every venue. It's no wonder they will be on the left hand side of Jesus when He comes.

jD
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Re: Was Joseph, the husband of Mother Mary a pedophile? Joseph was 36 when he married a 13 year old girl!
there's nothing particularly unusual about this... it was quite common worldwide before the 20th century for women to be married by the age of 16-18, including in the United States.

Life was simpler back then... all you had to do was drink, have babies/get married, then go out and kill each other.

There was no internet, television, career, school, pursuit of personal destiny to the magnitude there is today.


If a child is old enough to produce eggs or have an ejaculation, that is the biological time from which they can reproduce.

Now you might think this is wrong, but that's your opinion, and your opinion is as meaningless as my opinion. The fact is it's purely based on cultural norms at any given time.

This is not limited to any particular religion or race of people, either. If you were not married by 18 in the US during the 18th century it was thought there was something wrong with you.

These days of course women party until they are 30 and it seems like people aren't growing up anymore... they are just acting like high schoolers until they are 35... modern culture gives them the ability... simple change of cultural norms.
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Christians are known for telling outrageous lies about other religions. I'll bet Muslims do the same.
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Man I'll be she was tighter than Doctor Pee's butthole! Hey,what ever happened to him anyway???? Did he finally settle on the Duncan Koontz name or what??
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So does this mean that you think that Joseph was a pedophile, or not?



He was not a pedophile because Joseph and Mary were a part of the Essene community which was preparing for the birth of a special prophet. The girls were selected for their purity of spirit and raised in the temple to be the mother of this prophet. There was a spiritual purpose to this. At the age of 12 or so, the girls were lined up in the temple and Mary was chosen by an angel. This story is in the Edgar Cayce records, and also in one of the apocryphal gospels. The story of the Essene Jesus is also told in Oahspe. Because Joseph and Mary were part of an advanced religious community and highly spiritual people, there was no pedophilia involved.
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You are absolutely correct.
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Christians are known for telling outrageous lies about other religions. I'll bet Muslims do the same.
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Not at all.

I have never attacked a Christian or said slanderous things about Christ, because he is the most revered prophet in Islam.

I just bring up subjects to challenge Christians to question their misguided belieifs about Islam.
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Re: Was Joseph, the husband of Mother Mary a pedophile? Joseph was 36 when he married a 13 year old girl!
A lot of people seem to accuse the prophet Muhommed of this crime. If the shoe fits for one, it must fit for the other, right?

Wrong.

As you speak not only against him, but all other people in this planet and the worse thing is by your own standard Mary’s husband, Joseph, was a child molester too.
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OP, are you drunk?

No one accuses the prophet Mohammed; it is Aisha herself who states that she was 7 years old when betrothed to the 53 year-old Mohammed and that he "consummated" his union with this child when she was 9 years old.

Aisha was his favorite wife. Mohammed had multiple wives.

Are you accusing Allah of being a pedophile? The Koran states that Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus.

In the Koran, in Sura 3 and 19, an angel appears to Mary and says:

"Remember) When the angels said O Mary! Allah Gives thee Good News of a son through a Word from Him! His name shall be the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, honoured in this world and in the next, and of those who Are Granted Nearness to Allah! (3.45)

And he shall speak to the people in the cradle, and when of middle age, and he shall be of The Righteous (3.46)

She said My Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me ? He Said, That is as it shall be. Allah Creates what He Pleases. When HE decrees a thing HE says to it "Be" and it is! (3.47)"

Joseph is not the father of Jesus. The Koran refers to Jesus as the Son of Mary.

In 1st century Judiasm, girls were betrothed when they reached puberty. This was not the case with Aisha, who was only 6 or 7 years of age.

Scholars estimate the age of Mary at the time of her betrothal to be anywhere from 12 years and 6 months(at the earliest), to 15.

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