Jesus was a leftist peacenik

I doubt he's saying that, but if he is, that's fine. Doesn't matter to me whether Jesus was black, white, yellow, red, or purple. Do his words, statements, and ideas have any particular color? Nope. Would it matter if they did? Nope. Do you have anything resembling a valid point? Nope.

Uh-oh, somebody is getting whupped in debate, so they are getting mad. Hehehe... quite predictable.

Guess what? GLP is not the first board I have been to. Do a Google search for "Naturyl" and see what you come up with. I've been at this for over five years. I've seen (and refuted) every kind of silly Christian argument under the sun. I have chunks of people like you in my stool.

Good to see how you get angry and emotional when you run out of quasi-rational arguments, though. Like I always say, if you give these religious types enough rope, they will never fail to hang themselves. Thanks for once again bolstering my faith in human predictability. :)

PWNED.

I think it would be very odd for you to have chunks of anything if you are so ridiculous as to think George Bush a Christian. You have a very long way to go.

And did you try to tell them that Christianity 'caused' polygamy? and slavery? And did they say, "Oh really, bad us!"

Somehow, I doubt it. They probably laughed at you like I did.

Uh-oh, somebody is getting whupped in debate, so they are getting mad. Hehehe... quite predictable.



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And it was you who were totally whupped in debate. 'Caused' polygamy. Really, I laugh every time I think about it.

Loser.

Death cult? Christianity is Christianity because of what was depicted in the ending to the movie, which was that He Defeated death by resurrecting back to LIFE.

KayKayKay,

Laugh all you want. You are you and I am me. That's really all I need to know. I'm just as happy with that as you are, so it's all good. Your feeble insults are wasted on me.

You have no resort but to claim that I said Christianity "invented" slavery and polygamy, when you know very well I didn't. Semantics is all you have now, and that is weaker than weak.

Christianity did not "cause" slavery or polygamy. It only *supported* such things for many centuries. If you think the fact that you didn't invent it excuses you from supporting it, you not only have a lot to learn about logic, you've got a lot to learn about morality and common sense.

No matter how your try to weasel out of reality, the fact is, you guys have had it. Not only here, but in the world at large, and in history. Your time is almost over, and there couldn't be better news for the world.

Kay, you are really blinded by your own hubris. Again, you are entirely too selective about whom you call Christian. Using your logic, any group could claim superiority, by excluding those who are members of that faith. If a buddhist was as bad as Hitler was -- oh, he's just a bad buddhist, not really a buddhist. By excluding all the bad members, they're left with only the good. That's what you're doing, and it really is a farce.

Bush claims to be a Christian. Many of those who venerate him are also claiming to be Christians. Perhaps there's something about Christianity you're just not accepting...

Good point. Among philosophers and logicians, it's called the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

Here's the scoop:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Thanks.

I liked this part:

"Problems arise when the definition of the concept has no generally accepted form."

BINGO!!!

Really?
No more than that?
How disappointing.

Yeah, no more than that. If that disappoints you, perhaps you should reconsider what you expect from life. Nature is not here to grant you everlasting paradise, your every wish, validation for your beliefs, etc.

Christians need to get over their sense of entitlement. The world is not here to make you happy, save you, please you, or grant you any kind of wishes. Life is what it is, and you religious types need to grow up and deal with it.

A warm and belated welcome to planet Earth - not that you will accept it. Most of you prefer Fantasy Island.

In the pagan Celtic days before Christianity got established I read the Celts would take orphans in and raise them. Just goes to show that its the heart of people rather than religion that makes people do what they do. Religions will change you though as a mind controlling tool of the people who believes the teacher has more understanding than they (so they think). Of course understandings can greatly be a tool of the Secret Societies to control the people and get their land or wealth. Hitler was a terrific speaker so I read and so are many preachers, they get you spelled bound don't they.

This doesn't change the fact that you tried to say that Christianity did 'cause' slavery and polygamy. And I already cut and pasted your answer. Now, you are trying to weasel out of the fact that you said it, by saying, "Oh, well I didn't really mean...."

Here, I have to say it again. CHRISTIANITY NEVER SUPPORTED POLYGAMY. NEVER ONE DAY.

And here you are, saying the Christian Church doesn't deserve applause because it took too long to remove these poisons from our society. Odd logic that. Per this logic, we shouldn't bother fixing our world because we didn't before!

So, there you go again, as Ronald Reagan would say. You didn't consider my idea earlier posted (which you ignored) that since it is easier for a rich man to get through an eye of a needle than to be a Christian, perhaps there were not a great many slaver owners in their ranks? ie. most Christians WERE the slaves.

And we didn't really debate because all you did is whine, "Oh the Dark Ages!", "Oh the Crusades!" which is the usual standard fare. Nothing evil is really specified that is attributed solely against the Christian Church except existing in a time period in a world long ago that we, in a personal way, have no knowedge of.

The Dark Ages and The Crusades are always compared to today's society, which makes those times seem very barbaric indeed, but when you compare Christiandom to say, the Vikings, or their Asian counterparts, or the Mayan or African, Christian society seems meek, indeed. Massacre, human child sacrifice, temple prostitution, were consistent rites performed with societal approval.

But we can't have that! Goodness, we might end up comparing oranges to oranges or something like that!

We might end up comparing another Dark Ages culprit, Islam to Christianity! Mohammed's followers, who went on the rampage during the 7th and 8th century all over Europe, conquering the land of the infidel until the infidel had plenty, thank you very much, and began to fight back instead of continuing to turn the other cheek, both figuratively and in a physical sense.

Finally, the horde of sackers and pillagers (such were the norm you know in those days - due to feudalism - a person must eat!) were stopped somewhere in the sunny side of France and the Mohammedians were pushed back through Spain to finally remove them from European soil. Probably the plague is what truly wiped out the so much of the known world, leaving the name "Dark" because so little was written during that time. It is hard to write history when you are suffocating in your own blood, I suppose. Also during this time would be countless inner continental wars between France and England, ending with the Bastards' invasion of Normandy, ending Harald's Saxony rule in 1066 - right around the end of the Dark Ages.

But of course, if we discussed all that, you might even have to use your noodle, something you do not do here, you think simply heckling another poster and trying to twist semantics or embarrass them is the way to have a 'debate'. Actually, it is impossible to do so without both parties summoning a touch of effort to some extent. Again, something you haven't done.

I've proven the known beneficial effect of the Christian Church upon society in general, and all you have done is compare apples to oranges.

Christianity hasn't 'had it' as you say. Remember Jesus' words about the gates of hell not prevailing against it. If Christianity isn't doing well it is because it has grown fat and lazy on it's accomplishments of the past. We do much when persecution is present in society, for some reason known only to God, himself. I have no doubt it is coming around, thanks to people like you. You have seen in your lifetime (I assume you are of a generation with persecuted MLK Jr) the results of Christians working to make society better, and you will see it again. As in the past, it will prove to be the shining light of mankind.

Kay, you are right the church, for some reason, does better under persecution. And it is coming again. The people on this board, in this very discussion, that are baiting Christians and mocking the Lord Jesus Christ, will be among the persecutors, if they don't come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ first. But the Lord said the gates of hell will not prevail against His church, His true church, and because He said it, it is so. So in a way, I see the mockers as symbolic of what He said.

You deny that Jesus is who He said He is. You are anti-christ.

I am entitled to nothing. I deserve nothing. I have nothing. I am nothing.
You need to get a clue as to what Christians think or do or believe or expect.

Your futile argument is with God who has openly declared Himself to you,
regardless of your impotent denials and fist-shaking.

This statement can only be made with such certainty by someone who has clearly done no serious research as to the evidences of the authenticity of the Bible, the Book, the Word of God.

It can be examined and verified as to legitimacy more than any other book in all of history.

You cannot continue to defend the claims that it is "distorted, unreliable and basically fabricated" if you give it any serious and objective consideration at all.

But it is not a question of the evidence,
because the evidence is all reasonably and substantially there,

but rather,
it is only a question of the will,
Your Own Free Will.
You get to decide as you wish,
without any compulsion,
you get to have it your way,
With God or Without God.
Choice.

But "free will" is meaningless and/or nonexistent.

Christianity? No thanks. Jesus wouldn't approve
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Yeah, the passion of the Christ was a bit brutal wasnt it! I think all those who support the war are like the roman soldiers in the passion of christ who are whipping him in the square. They want to seperate us from the flesh and destroy the fathers house which is represented by the east.

Think twice before you judge, or you will be judged when the time comes

Is it really that easy for you to quiet your conscience?

according to your belief system...which thankfully is not universal

Is it really that easy for you to quiet your conscience?
Is it that easy to persuade yourself that you are not responsible before God?

Would you like to spend Eternity with this God you oppose,

or would you prefer to spend forever apart from God?

I don't plan to spend eternity anywhere.

I dunno about you guys, but I plan to die. It's what people and all other living things do.

I'm more concerened with what I need to do before that happens, right here on Earth.

compassionate conservative lmao

Naturyl is quite right. Its a damn shame that conservative, shallow people who base their lives on a book (the bible) turn out to be shortminded, brainwashed folks who follow the dogma's they see in the bible, instead of the spirit expressed by Jesus....

At death,
your spirit is seperated from your body.
You continue. That is not your choice.
Somewhere. That is your choice. Not anyway you wish, but whether you are Willing to Submit your will to God,
or not.
For or Against.
You decide.
You choose where.

In your belief system, which thankfully is not universal.

long hair,beard,....peace man !

They say he probably had short hair as was the custom at the time. And of course of Arabic appearance.

As if you get to tell God- "Nope, not me, I don't believe that."!!

Absurd. You need to think a little further.

Because one day, that is exactly where you will find yourself.
Maybe 50 years from now.
Maybe 20 years from now.
Maybe tomorrow.
Surprisingly.

wow, you just avoided responding to me and used my exact words in a response to someone else.

that's odd kinda odd.