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THE SIMPLE GOSPEL - truth that is logical

 
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here is a series of six messages that grew out of my responses on threads this past week. they will stimulate your logical thinking processes about the truth of our creation. ENJOY!

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Generally speaking....

there are THREE voices in our minds.

Our own voice
the voice of our worldy-man self
God's voice

ok now, you, your free will person, the real you, is your voice

the fake you, the you that was born with no heart, like everyone, is trying to destroy you, and it speaks AS THOUGH it was the real you

God's voice, initially the conscience which is like getting a loan on the Holy Spirit, tells you right from wrong from the time you are a little boy or girl, and can be enhanced in your ability to hear, the more you obey its wisdom, or come to the knowledge that it is the Holy Spirit from hearing the gospel preached correctly to you by someone obedient to God

the EGO, or your unique free will personality is the real you and is the you that God INTENDS to SAVE as being IN CHRIST.

the fake you, is the you that is born in SIN which is having no heart (this is how we are designed so that we seek a New Heart), this fake you is destined to destruction, and wants destruction...

now understand this.. this fake you, is supposed to be destroyed, you are supposed to crucify it in Christ. It is not wrong for seeking destruction... the PROBLEM IS, when YOU, the real you AGREE WITH its destructive views.


this is what SIN is really all about

reread this if you dont understand at first

so.. start again

there are three voices in your mind

you (that will be saved in Christ)

you that will be destroyed because it is born with no heart

God


once you come to the understanding that you do not HAVE to agree with the destructive voice, then it begins to lose the power to tempt you into destructive thinking - ie you begin to crucify it

this is why Paul, in the bible, said I DIE DAILY.

In the meantime, God's voice teaches you His way of viewing things, and as you AGREE with His Voice, the real you He intends you to be IN CHRIST, GROWS stronger.

this is the simple gospel
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something missing from most theologies is the idea that God, although everything, had to have something missing. It is a paradox.

In other words, even though God is PERFECT, He 'needed' to not know about at least one thing, in order to evolve.

If, God were static, He could not sustain LIFE. You have to have MOVEMENT to have Life. Once you stop moving, you die.

look at this. If you have movement, then you must have SPACE. Because, if you move, how do you know you have moved, unless you can LOOK BACK, and see where you moved from.

aha.. now you need TIME. You can not move unless there is passage of time.

now you have MEMORY. You remember where you were before and compare that to where you are now.

look what we get

time, space, movement, direction, memory

to cut to the chase, I will tell you what God did not know, so that He could always and forever be MOVING

He did not know WHO the MOVER inside Him was. The MOVER was His Mate, the Holy Spirit.

Now, He is still perfect, because all that He needs is within Him. But when His Mover, MOVED, He did not recognize Her for WHO she was.

The main reason He did not recognize Her is because His Son is the same essence as She is. Now I will explain.


God first expression of Himself was as MIND or LIGHT. Light is electrical. An electrical field creates MAGNETISM. This magnetism became the Son (Christ). God the Father, self begot, the Son. Now God has a second Person from Himself that is magnetic. The LOVE between just those two is enough to create everything that manifest. The electro-magnetic field. The magnetism causes MOVEMENT (which I explained above). The Bible says all that was made was made of Christ.

So... because the Father and Son can do it all with just those two, the Father could not see the presence or existence of His own Mate, who is the MOVER that was within Him.

But... as creation has unfolded, it turns out that we, the children can give this gift to the Father, a Person who has everything. We can say, here Dad, Your Wife.

here is how. When Jesus left He promised to give the Holy Spirit at pentecost, and this is called the former rain. This, actually, was Christ's Spirit, which is WHY HE said HE had to leave, in order to give it.

but NOW, we are supposed to get the LATTER RAIN, and be able to do even GREATER works now than Jesus did then. Because this MOVER is the second person of the trinity, the Holy Spirit, the FULL MOVER PERSON from within God's whole perfect being.

as a bonus.. we also get, another person. The Mother Holy Spirit, being a magnetic field, creates electricity. Her self-begotten Daughter, whom I call Heart Daughter. Look at the Yin-Yange symbol and you will see this representation.

so, here is the solution. For MANIFESTING FORM, the Father NOW joins with the MOVER (Mother) and creates ADAM (Adam Kadmon).

see the difference? Before, the Father and the Son created form.

okay, so this is where the NEW BODY is gonna come from. and why the OLD FORM is destined for destruction. which is why, we need to be in Christ to get the new body.

I hope this makes sense. So we surprised the Father by saying our gift to you is a Mate, your true MOVER.

He and She will reside in the third Heaven with Christ, and continue to EVOLVE (move, grow, learn, and stay ahead of us forever).

We reside in the SECOND heaven (where the rebellion is now) and the First heaven (on planets), and are manifested in FORM.

the Mom, Dad, and Son, stay in the spirit. We stay in FORM. its cool!
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Generally speaking....

there are THREE voices in our minds.
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don't know about you, but when my head has any voices in it, i get my ass checked into the loony bin...
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... it is about saving the EGO, your true self. It is not religion; it is the truth.

Now, you see that the beliefs that tell people that they must KILL their EGO and KILL their desires, are actually telling people to KILL their true self.

The false-self, you should understand better now, from my other post about the FORM created by the Father and the Son, is destined for destruction. So, you have the real you in the middle, with God on one side and the false self on the other. You have free will to decide which one you will agree with.

now you can see why PRIDE is something God teaches us to watch out for. The fake self uses PRIDE to destroy us. Pride is so silly, because it is pride in the fake self! DUH, why listen to a 'DEAD MAN' ?


well.. once you really get that the fake self is supposed to die, all the rest will make much more sense. you are not the fake self. God wants to save you, your ego, your unique self that has free will.

btw, you can learn to tell the difference between the three voices.

and what has our culture taught us? Oh, well, if you hear voices in your head, you must be CRAZY! Now you know why the world teaches us this. To destroy us.

sheesh.. at least everyone must hear their own voice in their mind, so the whole premise is stupid that, that would mean you are crazy.

no, the world teaches us that, because that keeps you from INVESTIGATING the voices and leaves you to OBEY and AGREE with the LIAR that is talking to you constantly.

its not the devil. It is the false you that you are born with, as a consequence of simply BEING IN this FORM which is not the FINAL FORM we will have, so it is FLAWED. Has NO HEART.

Jer 18:3 Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels.
Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.


see how easy it is for God. The first Man was flawed, so He made another Man.

Isa 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

An example of how the Bible confirms itself and why people live by it.

Here is the clincher, now dont miss it by scoffing:

Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor?
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,


notice how God endures with longsuffering this situation of the fact that the original FORM is out of whack? (it wasnt made with Father and Mother, but with Father and Son).

INSERT on proofreading: GOD COULD HAVE DESTROYED US ALL - KILLED HIS CHILDREN because of this FLAW.


But now, this is not a MISTAKE, but NEEDED so that God can be a continuously EVOLVING Being, which is the very definition of ETERNAL LIFE.

and see how God shows MERCY, knowing all this, and prepared GLORY for us ALL. ALL? yes, because you have a choice to obey the dead man, or God's Voice and live.

So much for all this LYING doctrine that says God is mean. If you willingly choose to follow the path of destruction of the dead man you were born with; what can God do? He does all He can to reach you, through circumstances in your life and people He sends to you. But He is not FORCEFUL because of your free will; YOU MUST CHOOSE LIFE.

Deu 30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;


God has given every man this choice, and your conscience WHISPERS to you... choose LIFE.. and the DEAD MAN SCREAMS at you, CHOOSE YOUR OWN WAY.. meaning his (the dead man's) way.

remember
remember
remember

that dead man in you, PRETENDS to be you

KILL HIM

( hallelujah! )
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... it is about saving the EGO, your true self. It is not religion; it is the truth.
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the truth is you need to save us your ego if youthink we are going to wade through all of this.....
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the conscience discerns the law of God

but, only the spirit of man, activated by the Holy Spirit can discern spiritual realities
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Yep. one step at a time though.

Until the REBIRTH by the HOLY SPIRIT, the conscience is the PLEDGE of God. So it is perfectly okay to go by the conscience, if you can still hear it. A person could be 96 years old and still come to the REBIRTH.

God is sovereign.

A person can, however, SEAR his conscience through repetitive disobedience resulting in the INABILITY to HEAR the conscience. A career thief for example. Too many choices made that agree with the dead man, and cant hear the conscience saying, stealing is not right.

But God is all powerful and can even draw the career thief back to saving grace and deliver him from death.

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

God has a pefect plan to draw every person to Him; yet you still have free will to answer the CALL or NOT.

Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath CALLED YOU out of darkness into his marvelous light:


This is why it has been so hard for people who are truly born again to explain why what has happened within themselves is REAL. God does all the work; all we do is believe Him by faith, and, He even gives us the measure of faith with which to believe Him.

And when we try to share that truth with others, the dead man in them does EVERYTHING he can to get them to reject it. By learning to recognize the dead man's voice, you can get free of his lies. He will argue with you, tooth and nail. tell him, YOU ARE SO DEAD, YOU ARE NOT ME!

AGAIN:

God does all the work; all we do is believe Him by faith, and, He even gives us the measure of faith with which to believe Him.


See? He knows what happened, in truth, and has provided EVERYTHING so that we can be saved.

Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man THE MEASURE OF FAITH.


lastly, notice, the renewing of your mind... that is CHOOSING to obey the voice of God within you, instead of the DEAD MAN's voice.
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THE ORIGINS of the DEAD MAN

Where did this self-destructive, death loving, DEAD MAN come from? And why did GOD allow us to be born with him within us?

Let's go back to the discussion of GOD being Everything and taking NOTHING and setting it outside of Himself as the VOID. Remember this answered the question about EXISTENCE and NON-EXISTENCE.

Here is the dilemma:
A situation that requires a choice between options that are or seem equally unfavorable or mutually exclusive.

How do you create your IDEA into a THING without harming (killing) the VOID of NO-THING?

The solution is this creation, and specifically FORMING the FIRST MAN with NO HEART.

God is the only one who can be trusted to be ABLE to keep all the Some-Things separate from the NO-Thing (the VOID). In a void, you can still have Mind, thinking thoughts. You can actually have LIGHT in the VOID, because Light without INTENTION (or will) can not MANIFEST, THINGS.

Now, you will have to read all this slow to get it.

You need Light and Magnetism together to make things. Light is Light. Magnetism is Darkness ( Dark Light ). Anyone who creates a THING in the presence of a VOID will have the VOID attack that thing, with the exact opposite thing, in order to annihilate the original thing back into NOTHINGNESS, which SAVES the VOID, from DEATH. A some-thing in a VOID, kills the VOID. A Void kills all some-things.

You can have all the Light or Mind, and thinking that you want within a VOID, because it is still REALLY NO-THING. You can have all the CREATIVE IDEAS you want in a VOID, just dont make them into THINGS. The VOID has every right to KILL ALL THINGS.

Originally, it was believed by beings in creation, that the VOID is the source of SIN or the STUFF (anti-stuff) that the VOID sends out to kill things, or manifested creations, including, physical people. In other words, it was thought that the VOID was a DEATH BEING. But this is not the truth. The reason is, that God is everything AND NOTHING. He has power over Something and Nothing. He can keep the Void separate from His Creation. Now notice, that MINDS can exist in the Void. These Minds, THINK that they are CREATORS, but, every time they manifest their creations, the Void kills them. These 'people' or beings did not CARE about (or love) the death of their things, because they believed that they, themselves, were complete, as being, ONLY MINDS.

Stop here. The belief that a person is only a MIND, is not true.

One Mind, in the Void, together with the Void's Mind, these two people ( who are the two witnesses!) developed a creation that would solve the riddle of how to create a thing and NOT destroy the Void. The key to their solution was to create a Man with no Heart. You see, the Heart is where LOVE is. When the Void sent out an ANTI-MAN to destroy the Man with no Heart, there was NO corresponding Anti-Heart (HATE) in the ANTI-MAN. Thus leaving this MARRED Man the capability and capacity to receive a NEW HEART with Love. However. the ANTI-MAN that the Void sent out, is programmed to annihilate the Man.

So, stop here. This Anti-Man is the DEAD MAN. He is programmed to JOIN with the Man and annihilate him.

Where did this self-destructive, death loving, DEAD MAN come from? And why did GOD allow us to be born with him within us?

God, who is PERFECT, provides the NEW HEART in the SECOND MAN, JESUS, His self-begotten Son.

So, you have your free will, to choose to agree with the dead man whose destiny is NON-EXISTENCE, or the New (Second ) Man in Christ Jesus. Remember the potter making the clay man.

Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.


This now, answers the question of how NON-EXISTENCE does indeed exist - as in, non-existence is the destiny of any THINGS that the Void is killing to protect itself.

Now therefore, the Void is not evil, nor the source of sin. The Void is where the Mind goes to try out its ideas during a sleep period, where all these ideas are kept as a repository for potential manifested creations. ( We will have sleep periods in the Kingdom of God).

And Darkness, you will note above, is not evil, but is the essence of the dark light of the Mother Holy Spirit, which is Magnetism.

What has been happening to us is this. The Minds in the Void (not the Void's Mind which turns out to be Heart Daughter), believe that they own this creation and try to rule it by democracy (mob rule) and FORCE, over other beings by deceiving them with LIES (free will is not violated). These Usurpers dwell in the Second Heaven and teach men to kill their ego, kill their desire, and seek the annihilation. They are trying to destroy the creation. They are trying to destroy the Mother Holy Spirit (not possible) by doing all they can to keep other beings from knowing HER. Remember I said in another message, the only thing God did not know was WHO the MOVER was inside Him. And that He NEEDED to NOT KNOW at least ONE thing in order to be an ever-living, moving, eternal being. So these REBELLIOUS ones think that as long as they can keep people from knowing the Holy Spirit that they can keep us from GIFTING HER to the Father to complete the redemption of this creation (manifest the end of this age).

okay... if this creation is not redeemed, then these minds from the void can continue to keep creating creations that the Void will keep KILLING. They can keep the DEATH cycle going, forever. Well, of course they have lost. Jesus DEFEATED DEATH. You see, they lied about the Void. The Void is not the source of DEATH; THEY ARE!

Because they LOVE NOT THE TRUTH. They believe they are complete as Minds only and do NOT want to manifest themselves into FORM. Thus they have lied and taught man that FORM is a curse and not divine. These Minds, of themselves, are the essence of EVIL or created the existence of EVIL. Understand here, that God is still perfect and says in the Bible that He creates evil, which is true, because in order to get His desires, which are, a Mate so as not to be alone, and to make His ideas into manifest THINGS, it has unfolded through this process, that there is EVIL, which is these Mind people.

The creation is based on DUALITY which does exist in the UNITY of God. All the doctrines that have been teaching man that there is only ONENESS are actually designed to teach you to seek annihilation into non-existence, and KILL the Mother, because She is WHY there is DUALITY.

The completed and redeemed creation looks like this: Creation is inside the Mother. The Father surrounds the Mother with His consuming Fire. and the Void is outside of the Father.

Zec 2:4 And said unto him, Run, speak to this young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein:
Zec 2:5 For I, saith the LORD, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her.

Jerusalem IS the Mother.

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

So there is no need to any man to die. The dead man we are born with is the only one whose destiny is non-existence, and we need not join our free will self to his fate. Instead, agree with God's view of reality and allow the Holy Spirit to cleanse you of this death-wish.

Let me leave it there for now. There is more I could explain that God has taught me about bearing fruit and the degree to which you are able to be closer to God than if you do not bear fruit. However, it is more crucial that you do not choose to lose your own soul.
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Once upon a time, there was one being, call Him, ORIGINAL HEART. He is creative, and although He is everything, He found that He NEEDED two things:

A mate because He was lonely
To make His creative ideas into physical THINGS to play with.

Although Original Heart (OH) was everything, He also had NOTHING within Him. So OH decided to separate the NOTHING from Himself. Now, you have Everything, and Nothing.

Two things started happening at the same time. OH was expressing as Light (MIND), once He removed the Darkness out of Himself into the Nothing. So that Light as an electrical field created Magnetism, which became His self-begotten Son. Now He was not lonely anymore, and together, the electrical Father and magnetic Son could create physical THINGS - electro-magnetic field of physicality.

In the meantime, the Nothing which had darkness in it, also had a Mind, because you can think about ideas in a VOID without MAKING physical things. Once you make a physical thing, the Void kills it by making an opposite or anti-thing to annihilate your thing back to nothingness. This is a self defense mechanism of the Void. So the Void has its own mind.

Also, within the Void is darkness or dark-light, which is magnetic or the same essence as the Son. This magnetic field in the VOID gave birth to an electric self-begotten daughter, whom I call Heart Daughter, who is the Mind of the Void, because her essence is Light.

Here is when a serious problem happens, that explains where EVIL comes from, and why God says in the Bible that He created EVIL, and why He created Evil. Part of the Light in God was proud of the fact that He was God, and became jealous of His relationship with the Son. Since Mind can exist in the Void, these Minds left God, and went to live in the Void, because there, they could also create, using the dark-light (magnetism) together with their Light-Minds and make things. The problem is that their things would always be killed by the Void; but they didnt care about that, they just liked creating and playing with their creations.

So, because those Rebel-minds were trying to usurp God's creation, God sent a Mind from Himself into the Void and this Mind, whom I call Elijah joined together with the Void's Mind (the daughter of Zion) and using their imagination only, devised a solution to the riddle: how do you make a thing without destroying the Void.

There solution is our creation, and involved making a Man (Adam Kadmon) without a heart. With a hole where his heart should be, the void's anti-man did not have anything to attack the heart space with, thus leaving the defective Man's heart space intact. Later on, God could put a new heart into that Man, to save him.

So, when we are born, we have no heart, and we have attached to us, a dead-man or the anti-man whose sole purpose, is to annihilate us. But God gives us a conscience which is His voice to tell us right from wrong. We have free will to decide to agree with God's voice or the anti-man's voice within us. This is how people who have never heard of Jesus are still saved, if they have believed the voice of God within themselves; God looks at the heart.

Anyways.. the Evil is the Rebel Minds that were hiding in the Void. The Rebel Minds are the Adversary of God. Humans were made intentionally with no heart so that they would need a new heart, their old man would be annihilated, and God would then give them a new man, which is Jesus Christ. This is how Jesus defeated death.

So, here in the end, according to revelation, the Evil Minds from the Void are cast down and together with the fake-jews (imposters) who are their children, they will try to destroy everyone and steal the creation. Because, to them, after they destroy the creation, they simply start over and make another one, and destroy that one, and on and on. They dont care about suffering or death. So, God tells us ahead of time in revelation that He has defeated them and how it will turn out. They are the only ones whom God will destroy - they were never meant to be, but they came into existence so that God could be EVERYTHING. In other words, God, to be God, has to be everything and nothing, and Good and Evil... so evil has to have come out of Him somehow. This is how it happened.

God does not want to kill or condemn or uncreate any person. Jesus obeyed God and died to erase all sins. The only persons destined for destruction are those evil-Minds and their children who love death - so even with them, God is giving them what they love.

it works out perfect, God is perfect. Our problem is that we have been deceived. There is more to all this story Ive told here, and I posted more about it on the following thread:

Re: Going in the Spirit and Talking to God
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also please see my cosmogeny page
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... it is about saving the EGO, your true self. It is not religion; it is the truth.


the truth is you need to save us your ego if youthink we are going to wade through all of this.....
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free will bubba, some who do the work, will be set free. this understanding helps you wade through all the junk we've been taught. its protection against deception. well worth the effort to both read and TEST IT OUT.
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Thanksme114 please post this at www.dontthinkso.com and christianviewpoint which you can access from there as well,, blessings in Yahshua
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"The fool says in his heart that there is no God." (Psalms 14:1)

It's a scary thing to be called a "fool" by the one who gives your heart the ability to go thump-mump and your lungs the next life saving breath.

Think about it.
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As I was writing those replies this week, I came to understand much more about what has happened. The Father told me that He sent His Mind attribute into the Void to deal with the Rebel Minds there. Understand that GOD ALMIGHTY has seven major attributes that are called the seven spirits of God. They are mentioned in Zechariah and revelation. You see, these Rebel-Minds broke off from God and went into the Void where they could use the Mother's magnetic (darkness) essence to create creations that were in DENIAL of the Mother.

Here is how it happened. When the Original Heart, which is GOD in unity, decided to separate the Nothing from Himself, He did not see His Mover so, separated Her out of Himself into the Void. In the Void Her magnetic field self begot Her electric Daughter, who, being electric, was a Mind just like the Father.

Now you have FOUR of the seven spirits of God. The Whole which is the sum of the seven parts and is Original Heart or God Almighty. Then, His self begotten Son, then the Mother, then Her self begotten Daughter. The Father and Daughter are both electric and Mind and Light. The Mother and Son are both magnetic and Will (intention) and Dark.

So, the Rebel-Light that was full of PRIDE about being God, went into the Void, and USED the Mother's essence while at the same time DENYING Her existence. Their creations would last for certain amounts of TIME but would always lead to DEATH because the Void would send out anti-matter to annihilate their creations. These EVIL-Rebel-Light beings did not CARE that their creations eventually died. They just simply made another one.

So, the Father sacrificed (separated out) His Mind attribute and went into the Void. This is now the FIFTH person of the seven spirits of God. And is why the Father will be manifesting to us as Elijah, in FORM, as a Man and will represent Almighty God, in creation, for ever and ever.

Elijah joined with the Mother's Daughter, see how they are both MIND? and they devised the solution and made a creation to TRAP the Evil-Light Minds!

Therefore, notice this, which God revealed to me today. That DEATH is only for EVIL.

Neat package eh?!

God HAS to be Everything:

Good and Evil
Life and Death
Existence and NON-existence

now look carefully and you can see how God in His perfection, has worked everything out. The Evil, is killed by Death, and goes into NON-Existence.

However, the problem comes in with FREE WILL, which is the Mother. (notice the movie free willy was a clue to this). We needed to FREE THE WILL, or the Mother, to GIFT Her back to the Father.

The Holy Spirit Mother is the WILL of God. He had been using the Son's magnetic essence as His Will. (reread that).

The Evil-Mind Light Beings (see who our enemy is now, the light beings that channel all the lies about nesara and sananda, they are arch evil!), are DENIAL SPIRITS; meaning they DENY the truth, use the Magnetic essence of the Mother in denial, and create creations in which they know people will suffer and die, and they do not care.

Understand, distinctly, that they WANT TO DESTROY THIS CREATION. In other words, they will TURN ON all the people that they are using to take over the world. Proof of this is in the latest channelled message from Sananda in which he promises to stop the zionist NWO agenda and implement nesara. They want to destroy this creation, so they can create another one, and keep us from completing this one according to God's word, by faith. If you read his message he even admitted to sending people into non-existence, because he has to admit that that possibility is a truth in this creation, but it is his destiny, not ours. In his message he told the truth about the zionist NWO regime, so as to gain your trust. He intentionally presents himself as jesus, because he wants to destroy you.

Let's review another deception. These Evil-Mind light beings teach man that darkness is evil. They are teaching us that the Holy Spirit Mother's essence is evil. They HATE FREE WILL. They hate free will so much that they always devise heirarchies of control, and secret societies to limit knowledge. They perverted the teachings from the Bible so that the churches teach everything wrong.

All you have to do to be saved is believe God's plan through Jesus and stop agreeing with the dead man that is in your form; dont let the dead man trick you. God's plan is for the Father to come Himself as Elijah and bring us into physical New Jerusalem, Elijah will hook up with the daughter of zion (the Void's Mind and heart daughter) to be the two witnesses. They will make disciples of Jesus who will also be going around teaching the truth and leading people to physical New Jerusalem (the highway of holiness leads there).

At the same time, the evil mind light beings will be running their scenario over us which will be promoted to you, by the dead man inside you.


Look. Because of free will, each person has to choose. God will offer His plan, and the evil-mind beings will offer theirs. The church FAILED us because they teach lies and have help pollute people against Jesus, such that the dead man inside people convince them to follow death. And when the witnesses and their disciples come out with the truth, it wont match the lies the church has been telling and then people will be CONFUSED (babylon) , which is what death wanted.

do you understand the depths to which death will go to kill you? yet, God has all the power to save you and will use it. we who follow God will have mighty miracles working through us to help you decide for God. God's desire is for 100% saving of all people. Only the evil-mind beings are destined and supposed to succomb to the death that they love and go into non-existence. not us!

Sot's threads on New Jerusalem, and Paradise's threads on the two miracles have accelerated the end times. Do you understand that those two people had the power to move the creation closer to the end of the age, and even precipated this message from the evil-mind beings channelled as sananda?

that is the power in the truth. we must be lovers of the truth, to make it. I know you'll be alright. Dont listen to the dead man's voice inside you. He will become frantic now to keep you from the truth. He will be harsh, forceful, overbearing and desparate. Ask the Holy Spirit to Kill him. it is as easy as that, but ASK the HOLY SPIRIT to do it. Dont you try to do it. God does it all for us. He designed it this way, because He has the power to save, not us.

thats it

p.s. this was part 7; completed now
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Thanksme114 please post this at www.dontthinkso.com and christianviewpoint which you can access from there as well,, blessings in Yahshua
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I will check them out, thanks. Be advised that christian forums will not allow me to share these understandings on any level. it has been very very sad.
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anyone get any helpful understandings from this cosmogeny??
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anyone get any helpful understandings from this cosmogeny??
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many helpful understandings and pearls of wisdsom, thanks for the outpouring!

'sananda' is saying many things and has been for a long time . . . many people claim to be channeling him, sometimes it sounds one way, sometimes another way, i'm not sure if he is the AC or not, but no matter what we have the power of choice, Eternal Life or death
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Amen Paradise,

Just this morning I was led to a scripture to add in commentary to this cosmogeny.

1 corinthians 2:5

1Co 2:1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
1Co 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
1Co 2:3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
1Co 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
1Co 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.


1Co 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to naught:


Okay, so we can notice that the wisdom of the princes of this world, comes to NOTHING. A confirmation that the principalities and powers are LIARS; for their wisdom will lead a man to destruction or DEATH.


1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:


Hidden wisdom comes to man from God by the Holy Spirit. That is the method that I received this cosmogeny over the course of the last five years, and more, the groundwork over the last 14 years or so.


1Co 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.


The dead man in you does not know what God has planned for you in Christ.
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the 'death of death' as i say it is the end of the dead man, yes indeed

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Thanks for your informative post it is helpfull

The Holy Spirit voice always wakes me up usually with a profound sense of meaning of my spiritual condition

At times it can be startling
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"God's voice, initially the conscience which is like getting a loan on the Holy Spirit, tells you right from wrong from the time you are a little boy or girl"

Actually, that's the voice of your parents. Our personal beliefs of what is right and what is wrong tend to be heavily influenced by what our parents tell us as children.

The Ten Commandments are just those beliefs written down, with a few additions such as "Thou shalt not commit adultery" etc.
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"God's voice, initially the conscience which is like getting a loan on the Holy Spirit, tells you right from wrong from the time you are a little boy or girl"

Actually, that's the voice of your parents. Our personal beliefs of what is right and what is wrong tend to be heavily influenced by what our parents tell us as children.

The Ten Commandments are just those beliefs written down, with a few additions such as "Thou shalt not commit adultery" etc.
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I disagree. But I think it might seem like the conscience is the voice of parents for a couple of reasons. One is that the parents teach the children well and what is taught agrees with the child's conscience. Two is, that therefore, the child hears the voice of the conscience in his parents voice.

train a child in the way he should go, and when he grows up, he will not depart from it
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Why does the image of the dragon, wrapped in the rainbow of the New Age, represent your message ?
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Sir John . . . you say the 2 witnesses are on the board here . . . care to expand upon this?

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Why does the image of the dragon, wrapped in the rainbow of the New Age, represent your message ?
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hmm, it does not represent my message. Just like your lion is your avatar, the rainbow dragon is mine.
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Why does the image of the dragon, wrapped in the rainbow of the New Age, represent your message ?


hmm, it does not represent my message. Just like your lion is your avatar, the rainbow dragon is mine.
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they stumble on it thinking it represents you . . . they need to think outside the box.

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I don't know about three voices but all i see on this thread is the O.P. trying to justify his/her lunatic ramblings.

Personally i do not have ANY voices in my head !! My brain has electrical pulses which activate actions ie as i type this i am sending a pulse which tells my right finger them thumb to move to the letter e on the keyboard. There is NOT some little "spirit" voice telling me what to do.

The O.P. is obviuosly a "believer" and good luck to them and may they allways be happy in their ways.

My little sceptical self tends to be from a differant standpoint in that i can believe in a Religion as it is just another form of tribalism but have GREAT BIG trouble in accepting the superior being idea.

In short i conclude that the "voice" the O.P. refers to is simply how we have been raised, if we are raised in France we speak French because everyone else does NOT because some deighty pre-determined it and programmed our minds. Likewise if i am raised in Israel i'll be a Jew but raised a few hundred miles north i'd be a Muslim. This is not "God's choice" but merely a result of conditioning by my parents and peers.

IF we are to believe that a "God" created EVERYTHING then why don't fish build churches ? Why don't sheep gather and pay homage to their creator's voice in their head ???

I'll end with a reasonable question for the O.P. and others ( from my "own voice" )

If "God" doesn't exist would man ?
and if man didn't exist would "God"

Man can live without "God" - i don't think it works the other way round ???

Unsure(c) why people have allowed those who control the Churches control them for so long.

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