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When Christ said we must endure to the end, exactly what, do you think that he meant we must endure?

 
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When Christ said we must endure to the end, exactly what, do you think that he meant we must endure?
"But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.- Mark 13:13
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"But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.- Mark 13:13
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And Paul said:




"We must enter into the kingdom of God through many tribulations.”- Acts 14:222
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I think it means we must endure without him until he returns from having endured the testings of the second coming. Perspective. Was written for him and the people.

He must endure until it is finished as his people must endure him. Every king needs his people just as much as people need a Good King.
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I think it means we must endure without him until he returns from having endured the testings of the second coming. Perspective. Was written for him and the people.

He must endure until it is finished as his people must endure him. Every king needs his people just as much as people need a Good King.
 Quoting: HilosPP



Christ adds another detail here that would trigger persecution on those wanting to follow him:




"22 And YOU will be objects of hatred by all people on account of my name; but he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved."- Matthew 10:22
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Same thing that happened to israel. God wanted to places a priest over them but the people demanded a warrior. So they got their warrior king before they were given a king of prophecy who was also a warrior.
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if you don't know the answer/reason for that then you will without doubt be among the deceived...
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if you don't know the answer/reason for that then you will without doubt be among the deceived...
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Well, give some details then, one of the foremost reasons true Christians would have to endure is THIS:



"Now because YOU are no part of the world, but I have chosen YOU out of the world, on this account the world hates YOU. 20 Bear in mind the word I said to YOU, A slave is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will persecute YOU also; if they have observed my word, they will observe YOURS also. 21 But they will do all these things against YOU on account of my name, because they do not know him that sent me."- John 15:19-21
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Hebrews 12
1Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, 2fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3Consider him who endured such opposition from sinners, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.

4In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says,

“My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline,
and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
6because the Lord disciplines the one he loves,
and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.”

7Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? 8If you are not disciplined—and everyone undergoes discipline—then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all. 9Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live! 10They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in his holiness. 11No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.

12Therefore, strengthen your feeble arms and weak knees. 13“Make level paths for your feet,”b so that the lame may not be disabled, but rather healed.
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Your own stupidity
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if you don't know the answer/reason for that then you will without doubt be among the deceived...
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Well, give some details then, one of the foremost reasons true Christians would have to endure is THIS:



"Now because YOU are no part of the world, but I have chosen YOU out of the world, on this account the world hates YOU. 20 Bear in mind the word I said to YOU, A slave is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will persecute YOU also; if they have observed my word, they will observe YOURS also. 21 But they will do all these things against YOU on account of my name, because they do not know him that sent me."- John 15:19-21
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This has already come to pass for those of true faith. They are outcasts by society for not giving into its morals. Not talking about ice bucket Friday night churches either, they are very much of the world.
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Life, which is our curse. We are to endure human life.
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The misery and pain. Trials and tribulations.

Be worried if you don't have any. Then get properly born-again of the holy spirit.

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The misery and pain. Trials and tribulations.
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It is in this mindset we are blessed to be found in his likeness of mind. We suffer with a purpose, we endure because we still hope.
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The misery and pain. Trials and tribulations.

Be worried if you don't have any. Then get properly born-again of the holy spirit.
 Quoting: TheGael


The biggest cause of tribulation, can be discouragement and anxiety, here is the anti dote that makes one able to be as strong as the discouragment



"Do not be anxious over anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication along with thanksgiving let YOUR petitions be made known to God; 7 and the peace of God that excels all thought will guard YOUR hearts and YOUR mental powers by means of Christ Jesus."- Philippians 4:6,7
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Hebrews 12
1Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, 2fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3Consider him who endured such opposition from sinners, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.

4In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says,

“My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline,
and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
6because the Lord disciplines the one he loves,
and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.”

7Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? 8If you are not disciplined—and everyone undergoes discipline—then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all. 9Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live! 10They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in his holiness. 11No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.

12Therefore, strengthen your feeble arms and weak knees. 13“Make level paths for your feet,”b so that the lame may not be disabled, but rather healed.
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Good thoughts, trials have their benefits as well




"Consider it all joy, my brothers, when YOU meet with various trials, 3 knowing as YOU do that this tested quality of YOUR faith works out endurance. 4 But let endurance have its work complete, that YOU may be complete and sound in all respects, not lacking in anything"- James 1:2-4
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Your god is imaginary, the scriptures a ruse and prayer is useless.

Until god heals an amputee. Just one. No cancers or other interior diseases that you can claim as a miracle. I am talking spontaneous regeneration of a limb on national television.

Arrange that I will be a praying fool.
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Why stop there? A god who can raise the dead is what is on the table.
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Your god is imaginary, the scriptures a ruse and prayer is useless.

Until god heals an amputee. Just one. No cancers or other interior diseases that you can claim as a miracle. I am talking spontaneous regeneration of a limb on national television.

Arrange that I will be a praying fool.
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That time is coming, though one will not witness it on T.V.



"At that time the eyes of the blind ones will be opened, and the very ears of the deaf ones will be unstopped. 6 At that time the lame one will climb up just as a stag does, and the tongue of the speechless one will cry out in gladness."- Isaiah 35:5,6
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Don't commit suicide when it all gets too much. You don't graduate by quitting school.
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There are pieces throughout the Gospels and the Old Testament (see the last three chapters of Daniel, let he who readeth understand)that clearly illustrate what Jesus is saying. There will be many false christs, plagues, pestilences, famine, war, rinse wash and repeat. It will come more and more frequently and become more and more severe until the end.

But I don't believe this hocus pocus anymore anyway, I just marvel at you who still do with so little understanding.
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Well I know of one who keeps coming back even if they try. To live should be an awfully big adventure.
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There are pieces throughout the Gospels and the Old Testament (see the last three chapters of Daniel, let he who readeth understand)that clearly illustrate what Jesus is saying. There will be many false christs, plagues, pestilences, famine, war, rinse wash and repeat. It will come more and more frequently and become more and more severe until the end.

But I don't believe this hocus pocus anymore anyway, I just marvel at you who still do with so little understanding.
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What have you found that is better?
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Why stop there? A god who can raise the dead is what is on the table.
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Yes, like this account, Lazarus had been dead for four days, a preview of things to come



"Hence Jesus, after groaning again within himself, came to the memorial tomb. It was, in fact, a cave, and a stone was lying against it. 39 Jesus said: “TAKE the stone away.” Martha, the sister of the deceased, said to him: “Lord, by now he must smell, for it is four days.” 40 Jesus said to her: “Did I not tell you that if you would believe you would see the glory of God?” 41 Therefore they took the stone away. Now Jesus raised his eyes heavenward and said: “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. 42 True, I knew that you always hear me; but on account of the crowd standing around I spoke, in order that they might believe that you sent me forth.” 43 And when he had said these things, he cried out with a loud voice: “Laz′a·rus, come on out!” 44 The [man] that had been dead came out with his feet and hands bound with wrappings, and his countenance was bound about with a cloth. Jesus said to them: “Loose him and let him go.”- John 11:38-44
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Look at the last 2000 years. There have been many, many horrible things that a lot of believers had to go through. Famine, war, poverty, hate, cruelty and so on. This is what Christ meant by enduring until the end.
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When he saw how he had been bound and realized the fashion in which he was deaparted; Jesus wept. And he spoke the word rise(I'm assuming in an ancient egyptian tongue) and lazarus rose. There was a great feast and celebration.
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Look at the last 2000 years. There have been many, many horrible things that a lot of believers had to go through. Famine, war, poverty, hate, cruelty and so on. This is what Christ meant by enduring until the end.
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Yes blessed are those who never loose hope and live to see the second coming.
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Your own stupidity
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assholes like this and others , of means, with the same sentiment.

if they could get away with it, I believe these anti-christian bigots are hardcore and want us gone.

we see it in policy, hiring practice, government prosecution etc.

make no mistake they are just warming up.

bunch of fascist bastards.

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now, do you see the hatred I have for these bastards.

I am not being Christ like
I am wrong to hate these people.


I am supposed to love them

as Christ says--its no big deal to love those that love you.
we must love those that hate us;

now that is Christ like.

this is the key thing we christians are to endure; the desire to kick there ass.
the desire to react to there hate.

cause and effect.

so is not the hate we are enduring.
it is the desire to react to the hate, in kind with hate--that is what we must endure.

christ wants us to break the cause and effect cycle and introduce love into the equation.

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anti-christians have no idea how lucky they are to be in a christian society.

like God said on the cross.

forgive them Father for they know not what they do.


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Your own stupidity
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assholes like this and others , of means, with the same sentiment.

if they could get away with it, I believe these anti-christian bigots are hardcore and want us gone.

we see it in policy, hiring practice, government prosecution etc.

make no mistake they are just warming up.

bunch of fascist bastards.

---

now, do you see the hatred I have for these bastards.

I am not being Christ like
I am wrong to hate these people.


I am supposed to love them

as Christ says--its no big deal to love those that love you.
we must love those that hate us;

now that is Christ like.

this is the key thing we christians are to endure; the desire to kick there ass.
the desire to react to there hate.

cause and effect.

so is not the hate we are enduring.
it is the desire to react to the hate, in kind with hate--that is what we must endure.

christ wants us to break the cause and effect cycle and introduce love into the equation.

----

anti-christians have no idea how lucky they are to be in a christian society.

like God said on the cross.

forgive them Father for they know not what they do.


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I appreciate your thoughts and completely understand how you feel
If a person not claiming to be Christ like slips, it is excused because they arent claiming to follow Christ, so they get away with it

But if someone who claims to be trying to be Christ like slips, it is held out against them, because as Christians they "shouldnt act that way"

It is easier said than done to "love one's enemies", i suppose that is why Christ left a "model to follow his steps closely", something to strive to immitate, but as imperfect people, naturally we will fall short of that



It is noteworthy, that even the Apostle Paul and Barnabus had an episode where anger flared up, but it did not make them any less precious to Christ, as Jesus said, "the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak"



"36 Now after some days Paul said to Barna·bas: “Above all things, let us return and visit the brothers in every one of the cities in which we published the word of Jehovah to see how they are.” 37 For his part, Barna·bas was determined to take along also John, who was called Mark. 38 But Paul did not think it proper to be taking this one along with them, seeing that he had departed from them from Pam·phy;i·a and had not gone with them to the work. 39 At this there occurred a sharp burst of anger, so that they separated from each other; and Barna·bas took Mark along and sailed away to Cy;prus.'- Acts 15:36,39

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Its simple...Everyday it gets harder to just Believe in God and be accepted..he knew that just to say you Believe and stand up for him will be almost impossible...but those that can endure this simple thing will make it home to him..Amen!
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Its simple...Everyday it gets harder to just Believe in God and be accepted..he knew that just to say you Believe and stand up for him will be almost impossible...but those that can endure this simple thing will make it home to him..Amen!
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It is worth standing up for, ........For Jesus said





"He now called the crowd to him with his disciples and said to them: “If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and follow me continually. 35 For whoever wants to save his soul will lose it; but whoever loses his soul for the sake of me and the good news will save it. 36 Really, of what benefit is it for a man to gain the whole world and to forfeit his soul? 37 What, really, would a man give in exchange for his soul? 38 For whoever becomes ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of man will also be ashamed of him when he arrives in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”- Mark 4:34-38
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We must endure the world as it is today and how it will be tomorrow. We will endure until the day of our Lord.
But Lord, he stinketh!

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