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The OBVIOUS thing people don't understand about time travel ( and its impossibility )

 
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The OBVIOUS thing people don't understand about time travel ( and its impossibility )
IF you could travel backward or forward in time, you would ALSO have to travel through space to get where you want to go.

The solar system is in constant motion AROUND the center of our galaxy.

Even if you could magically go back in time 10 years, you would NOT remain on the surface of the earth to "meet yourself", ( or prevent a tragedy ), because our solar system was in a different PLACE 10 years ago.

You would materialize in empty space, and die immediately.
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Narrow mind obviously

To travel in time you would need a device. We can call this device a time machine.

The purpose of the device would be time dilation. the device itself would move along time normally while it's contents would move along time in a much slower rate. The time machine anchors you to earth.
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IF you could travel backward or forward in time, you would ALSO have to travel through space to get where you want to go.

The solar system is in constant motion AROUND the center of our galaxy.

Even if you could magically go back in time 10 years, you would NOT remain on the surface of the earth to "meet yourself", ( or prevent a tragedy ), because our solar system was in a different PLACE 10 years ago.

You would materialize in empty space, and die immediately.
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Your time concept has only two state, which are predent and moving forward. Anyway, there are no do over...know what I mean.
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Time, is a dimension, like front/back, left/right, up/down. We can move in all these directions and there are no restrictions on moving on more than one direction at the same time. So, its possible to travel in time and space at the same time. If controlled, you can move back in time and following the movement of our planet at the same time. The tricky thing is the quantum configuration of the "placewhen" you get, is different from the one you departed from. Thus, a different timeline, by the simple fact that in the timeline you were originally didn't have a "you" in that specific timespace coordinate. For you a different "world", for all the other inhabitants of it, the only known true world.

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Yes, it's an additional set of coordinates, and that's making a presumption that time is linear vs the causality/possibility model.




For example
Pysical Coordinates (Based upon the center of the universe. (As not only does our solar system travel, but our galaxy also drifts.)

Coordinate 1 = X
Coordinate 2 = Y
Coordinate 3 = Z

This now has the three dimension relative to the universal center.

Next lets look at dimensional coordinates. This is where it gets complex. Assuming time isn't linear, and each action or event causes a new possible timeline the combinations are infinite. Additionally, you would have to factor in recursion because IF time travel is possible, then the actions of time travelers would cause the dimensional possibilities to jump exponentially. Unless a time traveler were to remove those possibilities by stopping certain possibilities from occurring. Additionally the events within these dimensions could seriously shift the physical coordinates as well if meddling occurred, or dramatic changes in the drift occurred.


I think of it as a giant search algorithm reaching out into infinity as each action progresses starting from the first.

The probabilities are impossible to gauge, and I think that if it were possible time travel, it would always be a one way trip because the reality you left from would be an impossibility to differentiate from the countless other possibilities that followed. Particularly while others including yourself were moving the scale so dramatically.


"Where ever you go, there you are."

That's my little bit of stream of consciousness for you. :)
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Don't you think that if the physics were developed to move a person back in time, that the physics could also calculate where the Earth was in that time, and place you physically there as well?
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Re: The OBVIOUS thing people don't understand about time travel ( and its impossibility )
OP.

Things look differently, depending upon where you're standing.

Think of it this way:

You're in your living room playing XBOX video game (let's say Call Of Duty).

You're then scrolling through the different campaigns you want to play at that given place and time that you're in living room.

You click the correct screen for specific campaign -- then -- poof --- you're there.

The fabric of reality is very much the same.

It is a hologram.


The real "YOU" exists outside of the "you" sitting there and typing this silly post.

The real "YOU" is "outside" looking upon this in much the same way "you are there with the video game controller looking at and directing your 'character' in the game.

Traveling through time is nothing but selecting that specific "campaign" (experience) in the video game. Roger?

In addition --- this universe is one of infinite. Think of blowing bubbles. A bunch begin to float in the air around you correct? Think of the universe we exist in as existing within ONE of those bubbles. Now, think of a universe within EACH of those bubbles.

Traveling to and fro is as easy as the "video game" analogy mentioned above.

It's simply a matter of the physics / equations and "evolutionary soul aspects" which need to be unfolded before us.

However --- that's the concept my friend.

The Holographic Universe.
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IF you could travel backward or forward in time, you would ALSO have to travel through space to get where you want to go.

The solar system is in constant motion AROUND the center of our galaxy.

Even if you could magically go back in time 10 years, you would NOT remain on the surface of the earth to "meet yourself", ( or prevent a tragedy ), because our solar system was in a different PLACE 10 years ago.

You would materialize in empty space, and die immediately.
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Well depending on your definition of a year you would end up back on the planet most likely... Although going back 2.5 years would be more troublesome.

But hey, if you have the technology to travel through time then I would find it highly unlikely you wouldn't have the technology available to either teleport to the earth at that time or teleport a spaceship with you to travel to earth.
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Re: The OBVIOUS thing people don't understand about time travel ( and its impossibility )
See "The Billiard Ball" by Isaac Asimov.
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OP.

Things look differently, depending upon where you're standing.

Think of it this way:

You're in your living room playing XBOX video game (let's say Call Of Duty).

You're then scrolling through the different campaigns you want to play at that given place and time that you're in living room.

You click the correct screen for specific campaign -- then -- poof --- you're there.

The fabric of reality is very much the same.

It is a hologram.


The real "YOU" exists outside of the "you" sitting there and typing this silly post.

The real "YOU" is "outside" looking upon this in much the same way "you are there with the video game controller looking at and directing your 'character' in the game.

Traveling through time is nothing but selecting that specific "campaign" (experience) in the video game. Roger?

In addition --- this universe is one of infinite. Think of blowing bubbles. A bunch begin to float in the air around you correct? Think of the universe we exist in as existing within ONE of those bubbles. Now, think of a universe within EACH of those bubbles.

Traveling to and fro is as easy as the "video game" analogy mentioned above.

It's simply a matter of the physics / equations and "evolutionary soul aspects" which need to be unfolded before us.

However --- that's the concept my friend.

The Holographic Universe.
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But in order to play the game, you will first need hardware to run it, and an operating system, and the game itself will need to be coded, and that includes so many other things. What if the game itself is coded in such a manner that the campaign is automatically selected, and no software exists to do the campaign selection. That would then require you to hack the game. What kind of system administrator is working the game right now? That admin might not take kindly to you hacking the code, and may need to quarantine, or erase you as a virus... OR what if the game itself is designed to teach people to hack, and be able to select your own campaign is something you're allowed to do after beating chapter 1... Sorry, I love analogies. ;P
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The "game" is designed to impart the knowledge and "essence" of the "designer" with the primary objective of "grafting" / "breathing life" into the "character".

The "game" is designed to evolve / teach / infuse / grow the "characters". Simply put -- it was all about LOVE and the "becoming" of it.

Because one day (so to speak) --- the REAL DEAL exists -- outside of this "hologram" --- for US to share in.

For now --- we grow / learn and evolve -- within the "game".
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OP.

Things look differently, depending upon where you're standing.

Think of it this way:

You're in your living room playing XBOX video game (let's say Call Of Duty).

You're then scrolling through the different campaigns you want to play at that given place and time that you're in living room.

You click the correct screen for specific campaign -- then -- poof --- you're there.

The fabric of reality is very much the same.

It is a hologram.


The real "YOU" exists outside of the "you" sitting there and typing this silly post.

The real "YOU" is "outside" looking upon this in much the same way "you are there with the video game controller looking at and directing your 'character' in the game.

Traveling through time is nothing but selecting that specific "campaign" (experience) in the video game. Roger?

In addition --- this universe is one of infinite. Think of blowing bubbles. A bunch begin to float in the air around you correct? Think of the universe we exist in as existing within ONE of those bubbles. Now, think of a universe within EACH of those bubbles.

Traveling to and fro is as easy as the "video game" analogy mentioned above.

It's simply a matter of the physics / equations and "evolutionary soul aspects" which need to be unfolded before us.

However --- that's the concept my friend.

The Holographic Universe.
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You state all of this as though it were fact, and not just your own speculation.
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Re: The OBVIOUS thing people don't understand about time travel ( and its impossibility )
Space and time are interlaced since space that is our present will soon be located down and inside, from everywhere, towards everywhere, targeting the one Singularity (that is engaged in infinite velocity and angular diversity). The entire Universe is located in the evermore past flooding down and inward. 5 seconds ago, 5 decades ago, 5 billion years ago, it's all in the "underworld" down and inward racing toward the Singularity.

The infinite expanse is all the future, the Singularity is all the past. The "wake" generated by the infinite velocity and angular diversity of the Singularity is responsible for the existence of the infinite expanse.

Space is time that is in the state of static.
Time is space that is in the state of kinetic.
We exist in the bandwidth somewhere of while infinite expanse (static space) is imploding down and inward from everywhere towards everywhere towards the Singularity that is pure time (all the past) and no space demonstrated as pure kinetics.
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Re: The OBVIOUS thing people don't understand about time travel ( and its impossibility )
IF you could travel backward or forward in time, you would ALSO have to travel through space to get where you want to go.

The solar system is in constant motion AROUND the center of our galaxy.

Even if you could magically go back in time 10 years, you would NOT remain on the surface of the earth to "meet yourself", ( or prevent a tragedy ), because our solar system was in a different PLACE 10 years ago.

You would materialize in empty space, and die immediately.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1600771


You are misunderstanding the fact that there are dimensions where time does not exist. Like the dream world. Or the astral plane. If you had experienced these worlds properly then you'd know that seeing through the false barriers of so called "time" is a very simple thing indeed.





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