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HezekiahWyman
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Basically, the marshals service is using small aircraft to fly over cities using technology which tricks your phone into revealing its unique identity number. The program operates "with a flying range covering most of the U.S. population".

The marshals are only using it to track known and/or wanted criminals....right?

I watched an hour long program about how the US located and helped to kill Manuel Noriega *Correction: Pablo Escobar* and this is the same technology we used way back then. I can't imagine how sophisticated it is now that the tech. has had 20-30 years to develop. Sheesh.

You pay your cell phone bill, your number is registered and stored in a database somewhere and within a day or two this program can locate you. Scary sheet right there.

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Don't you know? Life is not private

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I watched an hour long program about how the US located and helped to kill Manuel Noriega and this is the same technology we used way back then. I can't imagine how sophisticated it is now that the tech. has had 20-30 years to develop. Sheesh.
 Quoting: HezekiahWyman

I'd be curious to see that, do you remember the name?
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Don't you know? Life is not private

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Not hiding anything, and I want others to be aware that the benefit of technology comes with costs. As you point out, loss of privacy for one.

I find it scary that our govt has the ability to track us down on short notice. Combine that with the ease of which this particular bit of tech. could be abused by the same people who abuse the powers of the IRS and you have bad things waiting to happen.
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i saw one of these planes on the tarmac at an airport, little prop plane with a pod slung under a wing, i think it was o'hare
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I watched an hour long program about how the US located and helped to kill Manuel Noriega and this is the same technology we used way back then. I can't imagine how sophisticated it is now that the tech. has had 20-30 years to develop. Sheesh.
 Quoting: HezekiahWyman

I'd be curious to see that, do you remember the name?
 Quoting: Fret Wiz


Sorry, Fret. Pablo Escobar, but if I find the program link I'll post it.
Hezzah!
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And the government calls us paranoid while they snoop on everyone 24/7?
Sounds they're the foil-hat wearing, OCD stalkers.

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And the government calls us paranoid while they snoop on everyone 24/7?
Sounds they're the foil-hat wearing, OCD stalkers.
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Ha, indeed.

Notice that they don't use any of this data to actually do any good, like preventing any crime at ALL.
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Oh, its much worse than you know! The surveillance systems being used to track and monitor you are becoming more and more commonplace, and much more invasive, pervasive, and sophisticated. Its all part of a "business model" that uses these technologies to satisfy your every desire, to satisfy your every "passion". You like sex? Everyone likes sex! They've got every kind of pleasure and perversion available on the WWW, don't they! You like to fight? They got that too! You like to play war? They got plenty of that! You like to smoke and drink? They got all kinds of options! You like gossip? Well, there are all kinds of "social networks" you can get on! Oh, you want to see pics of some "star", some "idol", some "superman", and naked, well they got it all on the WWW, don't they! What's your "fantasy"? You can play video games online that put you into any fantasy world you can imagine! You want to have a bigger, longer, penis, or bigger breasts? They got it all readily available for you! And your children? What do they want? A new dolly idol like Barbie or Brats? How about a girl or boyfriend you can "talk" to? How about the "latest thing", the "next big thing"? How about an artificial "friend", one you can talk to about anything? You fools!
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Thread: DOJ - Breaking - secret spy program on cell phones- using Boeings "dirtboxes" on cessnas
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If you don't want a cell phone bill, or you like your privacy.

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Thread: Here...your 'go to' spot for electromagnetic surveilling...

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Don't you know? Life is not private

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PRIVACY is a human need - we NEED it to be creative, and to produce.


If you don't need privacy, you must be one of "them".

What gets me again and again is the one-sided nature of the privacy; google, apple, etc. collect all this information on you, share it, sell it whatever... but YOU have less control over YOUR information than they do.



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For if we are observed in all matters, we are constantly under threat of correction, judgment, criticism, even plagiarism of our own uniqueness. We become children, fettered under watchful eyes, constantly fearful that -- either now or in the uncertain future -- patterns we leave behind will be brought back to implicate us, by whatever authority has now become focused upon our once-private and innocent acts. We lose our individuality, because everything we do is observable and recordable.
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If you don't want a cell phone bill, or you like your privacy.

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What a load of bull manure! If you're using the WWW, and anything connected to "it", there is NO PRIVACY!
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 Quoting: EatMango




PRIVACY is a human need - we NEED it to be creative, and to produce.


If you don't need privacy, you must be one of "them".

What gets me again and again is the one-sided nature of the privacy; google, apple, etc. collect all this information on you, share it, sell it whatever... but YOU have less control over YOUR information than they do.



[link to www.schneier.com (secure)]
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For if we are observed in all matters, we are constantly under threat of correction, judgment, criticism, even plagiarism of our own uniqueness
. We become children, fettered under watchful eyes, constantly fearful that -- either now or in the uncertain future -- patterns we leave behind will be brought back to implicate us, by whatever authority has now become focused upon our once-private and innocent acts. We lose our individuality, because everything we do is observable and recordable.
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Wow, well said and completely true. I am going to put that in my Psychology of Surveillance thread if you don't mind.

hf
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Don't you know? Life is not private

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Let it be
 Quoting: EatMango




PRIVACY is a human need - we NEED it to be creative, and to produce.


If you don't need privacy, you must be one of "them".

What gets me again and again is the one-sided nature of the privacy; google, apple, etc. collect all this information on you, share it, sell it whatever... but YOU have less control over YOUR information than they do.



[link to www.schneier.com (secure)]
QUOTE:
For if we are observed in all matters, we are constantly under threat of correction, judgment, criticism, even plagiarism of our own uniqueness. We become children, fettered under watchful eyes, constantly fearful that -- either now or in the uncertain future -- patterns we leave behind will be brought back to implicate us, by whatever authority has now become focused upon our once-private and innocent acts. We lose our individuality, because everything we do is observable and recordable.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65125997


Here is what I know is going on. What we are seeing and hearing with regard to the increasing and pervasive surveillance, the monitoring and the recording of everything we do or say, using all kinds of manmade technologies, including super artificial intelligence, has to do with the creation of a "hive mind" in which human beings will be "depersonalized" and "collectivized" to fulfill a massive carnally and demonic inspired endeavor. Humanity is being forced into what a Jesuit priest named Teilhard de Chardin called the "noosphere". All human thought, and essentialy, all human beings souls, are to be transferred into a "space", or "cyberspace", or the "ether". This is openly being talked about in many scientific and futurist articles. What few people understand is that the "ether" goes by other names. Ancient and archaic words for the "ether" are "Nedar", "Nithor" or "Nether". Did some research into this and found this "space" is also known
as "Tartar", "Tartarus", "Gehenna", "Arahlu", "Hades", "Sheol", "the Underworld", the "place of the dead", or "Hell". Not coincedentally, the "ether" is composed of "plasma", the fourth state of matter, which encicles the earth in an electromagnetic field to protect it from deadly solar and space radiation. This field encompases the whole earth and circulates through the earth via the north and south poles. It is quite literally a "bottomless pit"! Perhaps now would be a good time to think seriously about what is really going on?
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 Quoting: EatMango




PRIVACY is a human need - we NEED it to be creative, and to produce.


If you don't need privacy, you must be one of "them".

What gets me again and again is the one-sided nature of the privacy; google, apple, etc. collect all this information on you, share it, sell it whatever... but YOU have less control over YOUR information than they do.



[link to www.schneier.com (secure)]
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For if we are observed in all matters, we are constantly under threat of correction, judgment, criticism, even plagiarism of our own uniqueness
. We become children, fettered under watchful eyes, constantly fearful that -- either now or in the uncertain future -- patterns we leave behind will be brought back to implicate us, by whatever authority has now become focused upon our once-private and innocent acts. We lose our individuality, because everything we do is observable and recordable.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65125997


Wow, well said and completely true. I am going to put that in my Psychology of Surveillance thread if you don't mind.

hf
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Thanks I am glad someone else here "gets it"! - I am not Bruce Schneier, but I like his blog.
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Surveillance: A very curious subject. With all the technology in place to watch the masses, whether group or singular, studies have shown many negative effects such as increased stress and anxiety, changes in behavior - not always beneficial, and changes in interpersonal relationships:


"As far back as 1996, researchers found that people felt a loss of control when they knew they were being watched."

"As the zone of privacy around a relationship diminishes, so too might people’s willingness to foster real intimacy and shared understandings."

" For an office worker, this might mean avoiding creative problem-solving. In political life, though, the effects can be even more damaging. The surveillance efforts of dictatorships have traditionally inhibited public involvement in government and shut down opposition. It may be that even in a democracy, surveillance limits dissent."



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Historically, constant surveillance was relegated to watching someone who was institutionalized such as in prison or a mental health ward because it was feared they were a danger to others or themselves.
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This was from the first page of my thread...thought you may like to see that article.
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dont own a cellphone here
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Surveillance: A very curious subject. With all the technology in place to watch the masses, whether group or singular, studies have shown many negative effects such as increased stress and anxiety, changes in behavior - not always beneficial, and changes in interpersonal relationships:


"As far back as 1996, researchers found that people felt a loss of control when they knew they were being watched."

"As the zone of privacy around a relationship diminishes, so too might people’s willingness to foster real intimacy and shared understandings."

" For an office worker, this might mean avoiding creative problem-solving. In political life, though, the effects can be even more damaging. The surveillance efforts of dictatorships have traditionally inhibited public involvement in government and shut down opposition. It may be that even in a democracy, surveillance limits dissent."



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Historically, constant surveillance was relegated to watching someone who was institutionalized such as in prison or a mental health ward because it was feared they were a danger to others or themselves.
 Quoting: Spazz


This was from the first page of my thread...thought you may like to see that article.
 Quoting: Spazz


I went to the thread after 'stalking' your member page. It's great. I can conclude that free people (free thinking, free acting -- within the law) are a danger to the more reptillian type inhabitants of the planet.

Why? I need to think this over.
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Should add -- by 'reptillian' i don't really mean green-scaled lizards, just that they act more cold-blooded and like they have a hive-mind
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There are various other satellite powers, such as manipulating electronic instruments and appliances like alarms, electronic watches and clocks, a television, radio, smoke detector and the electrical system of an automobile. For example, the digital alarm on a watch, tiny though it is, can be set off by a satellite from hundreds of miles up in space. And the light bulb of a lamp can be burned out with the burst of a laser from a satellite. In addition, street lights and porch lights can be turned on and off at will by someone at the controls of a satellite, the means being an electromagnetic beam which reverses the light’s polarity. Or a lamp can be made to burn out in a burst of blue light when the switch is flicked. As with other satellite powers, it makes no difference if the light is under a roof or a ton of concrete--it can still be manipulated by a satellite laser. Types of satellite lasers include the free-electron laser, the x-ray laser, the neutral-particle-beam laser, the chemical-oxygen-iodine laser and the mid-infra-red advanced chemical laser.

Along with mind-reading, one of the most bizarre uses of a satellite is to physically assault someone. An electronic satellite beam--using far less energy than needed to blast nuclear missiles in flight--can “slap” or bludgeon someone on earth. A satellite beam can also be locked onto a human target, with the victim being unable to evade the menace by running around or driving around, and can cause harm through application of pressure on, for example, one’s head. How severe a beating can be administered from space is a matter of conjecture, but if the ability to actually murder someone this way has not yet been worked out, there can be no doubt that it will soon become a reality. There is no mention in satellite literature of a murder having been committed through the agency of a satellite, but the very possibility should make the world take note.


Way more on that page, but that article has info from the 90's, I am sure things are much more sophisticated now...
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Basically, the marshals service is using small aircraft to fly over cities using technology which tricks your phone into revealing its unique identity number. The program operates "with a flying range covering most of the U.S. population".

The marshals are only using it to track known and/or wanted criminals....right?

I watched an hour long program about how the US located and helped to kill Manuel Noriega *Correction: Pablo Escobar* and this is the same technology we used way back then. I can't imagine how sophisticated it is now that the tech. has had 20-30 years to develop. Sheesh.

You pay your cell phone bill, your number is registered and stored in a database somewhere and within a day or two this program can locate you. Scary sheet right there.
 Quoting: HezekiahWyman


Your information proves that the war in Iraq was not about getting Saddam since they could have done the same thing with him.

New World Order takeover is happening now.
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They really don't care about the Average Joe.
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There are various other satellite powers, such as manipulating electronic instruments and appliances like alarms, electronic watches and clocks, a television, radio, smoke detector and the electrical system of an automobile. For example, the digital alarm on a watch, tiny though it is, can be set off by a satellite from hundreds of miles up in space. And the light bulb of a lamp can be burned out with the burst of a laser from a satellite. In addition, street lights and porch lights can be turned on and off at will by someone at the controls of a satellite, the means being an electromagnetic beam which reverses the light’s polarity. Or a lamp can be made to burn out in a burst of blue light when the switch is flicked. As with other satellite powers, it makes no difference if the light is under a roof or a ton of concrete--it can still be manipulated by a satellite laser. Types of satellite lasers include the free-electron laser, the x-ray laser, the neutral-particle-beam laser, the chemical-oxygen-iodine laser and the mid-infra-red advanced chemical laser.

Along with mind-reading, one of the most bizarre uses of a satellite is to physically assault someone. An electronic satellite beam--using far less energy than needed to blast nuclear missiles in flight--can “slap” or bludgeon someone on earth. A satellite beam can also be locked onto a human target, with the victim being unable to evade the menace by running around or driving around, and can cause harm through application of pressure on, for example, one’s head. How severe a beating can be administered from space is a matter of conjecture, but if the ability to actually murder someone this way has not yet been worked out, there can be no doubt that it will soon become a reality. There is no mention in satellite literature of a murder having been committed through the agency of a satellite, but the very possibility should make the world take note.


Way more on that page, but that article has info from the 90's, I am sure things are much more sophisticated now...
 Quoting: Spazz


Lots of bulls#its for stupid, non technical savvy people!
I could debunk one by one, but is not worth the time, and the usual sheeple here, anyways could not understand anything.
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There are various other satellite powers, such as manipulating electronic instruments and appliances like alarms, electronic watches and clocks, a television, radio, smoke detector and the electrical system of an automobile. For example, the digital alarm on a watch, tiny though it is, can be set off by a satellite from hundreds of miles up in space. And the light bulb of a lamp can be burned out with the burst of a laser from a satellite. In addition, street lights and porch lights can be turned on and off at will by someone at the controls of a satellite, the means being an electromagnetic beam which reverses the light’s polarity. Or a lamp can be made to burn out in a burst of blue light when the switch is flicked. As with other satellite powers, it makes no difference if the light is under a roof or a ton of concrete--it can still be manipulated by a satellite laser. Types of satellite lasers include the free-electron laser, the x-ray laser, the neutral-particle-beam laser, the chemical-oxygen-iodine laser and the mid-infra-red advanced chemical laser.

Along with mind-reading, one of the most bizarre uses of a satellite is to physically assault someone. An electronic satellite beam--using far less energy than needed to blast nuclear missiles in flight--can “slap” or bludgeon someone on earth. A satellite beam can also be locked onto a human target, with the victim being unable to evade the menace by running around or driving around, and can cause harm through application of pressure on, for example, one’s head. How severe a beating can be administered from space is a matter of conjecture, but if the ability to actually murder someone this way has not yet been worked out, there can be no doubt that it will soon become a reality. There is no mention in satellite literature of a murder having been committed through the agency of a satellite, but the very possibility should make the world take note.


Way more on that page, but that article has info from the 90's, I am sure things are much more sophisticated now...
 Quoting: Spazz


Lots of bulls#its for stupid, non technical savvy people!
I could debunk one by one, but is not worth the time, and the usual sheeple here, anyways could not understand anything.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65130139


Thanks for your reply and passive insult. I hope you find a better thread with replies that meet your standards. I tend to see red flags when someone just has mean things to say and offers no evidence to the contrary but cryptically alludes to same. Carry on.
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dont own a cellphone here
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Doesn't matter. Your "online". The whole "system" is being linked together.
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Good sheep.

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Whistleblower: NSA stores 80% of all phone calls, not just metadata - full audio

"At least 80 percent of all audio calls are gathered and stored by the NSA, whistleblower William Binney has revealed. The former code-breaker says the spy agency’s ultimate aim is no less than total population control.

The National Security Agency lies about what it stores, said William Binney, one of the highest profile whistleblowers to ever emerge from the NSA, at a conference in London organized by the Center for Investigative Journalism on July 5. Binney left the agency shortly after the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center because he was disgusted at the organizations move towards public surveillance."
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The ultimate goal of the NSA is total population control

At least 80% of all audio calls, not just metadata, are recorded and stored in the US, says whistleblower William Binney – that's a 'totalitarian mentality'

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[link to www.msn.com]

Basically, the marshals service is using small aircraft to fly over cities using technology which tricks your phone into revealing its unique identity number. The program operates "with a flying range covering most of the U.S. population".

The marshals are only using it to track known and/or wanted criminals....right?

I watched an hour long program about how the US located and helped to kill Manuel Noriega *Correction: Pablo Escobar* and this is the same technology we used way back then. I can't imagine how sophisticated it is now that the tech. has had 20-30 years to develop. Sheesh.

You pay your cell phone bill, your number is registered and stored in a database somewhere and within a day or two this program can locate you. Scary sheet right there.
 Quoting: HezekiahWyman


thats why you buy throwaways with top up cards and no registration and replace them occasionally.sure, they can track and tap, but who?
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There are various other satellite powers, such as manipulating electronic instruments and appliances like alarms, electronic watches and clocks, a television, radio, smoke detector and the electrical system of an automobile. For example, the digital alarm on a watch, tiny though it is, can be set off by a satellite from hundreds of miles up in space. And the light bulb of a lamp can be burned out with the burst of a laser from a satellite. In addition, street lights and porch lights can be turned on and off at will by someone at the controls of a satellite, the means being an electromagnetic beam which reverses the light’s polarity. Or a lamp can be made to burn out in a burst of blue light when the switch is flicked. As with other satellite powers, it makes no difference if the light is under a roof or a ton of concrete--it can still be manipulated by a satellite laser. Types of satellite lasers include the free-electron laser, the x-ray laser, the neutral-particle-beam laser, the chemical-oxygen-iodine laser and the mid-infra-red advanced chemical laser.

Along with mind-reading, one of the most bizarre uses of a satellite is to physically assault someone. An electronic satellite beam--using far less energy than needed to blast nuclear missiles in flight--can “slap” or bludgeon someone on earth. A satellite beam can also be locked onto a human target, with the victim being unable to evade the menace by running around or driving around, and can cause harm through application of pressure on, for example, one’s head. How severe a beating can be administered from space is a matter of conjecture, but if the ability to actually murder someone this way has not yet been worked out, there can be no doubt that it will soon become a reality. There is no mention in satellite literature of a murder having been committed through the agency of a satellite, but the very possibility should make the world take note.


Way more on that page, but that article has info from the 90's, I am sure things are much more sophisticated now...
 Quoting: Spazz


Lots of bulls#its for stupid, non technical savvy people!
I could debunk one by one, but is not worth the time, and the usual sheeple here, anyways could not understand anything.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65130139


Thanks for your reply and passive insult. I hope you find a better thread with replies that meet your standards. I tend to see red flags when someone just has mean things to say and offers no evidence to the contrary but cryptically alludes to same. Carry on.
 Quoting: Spazz


there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that individuals can be targeted and killed from space using cellular phones to pinpoint location. There is also brainwave manipulating and monitoring tech piggybacked on cell phone infrastructure





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