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If the 144,000 chosen to be kings in heaven are from the 12 tribes of Israel why does Rv5:7 say their from all nations?

 
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Re: If the 144,000 chosen to be kings in heaven are from the 12 tribes of Israel why does Rv5:7 say their from all nations?
keep reading. There are the countless others you conveniently left out.
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DGN is extremely dishonest. Never once acknowledging the society's failed predictions. He is a liar.
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Re: If the 144,000 chosen to be kings in heaven are from the 12 tribes of Israel why does Rv5:7 say their from all nations?
DGN is extremely dishonest. Never once acknowledging the society's failed predictions. He is a liar.
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'Beloved ones, this is now the second letter I am writing YOU, in which, as in my first one, I am arousing YOUR clear thinking faculties by way of a reminder, 2 that YOU should remember the sayings previously spoken by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through YOUR apostles. 3 For YOU know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires 4 and saying: “Where is this promised presence of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep [in death], all things are continuing exactly as from creation’s beginning.” 2Pe3:1
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DGN is extremely dishonest. Never once acknowledging the society's failed predictions. He is a liar.
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"With that he spoke an illustration to them: “Note the fig tree and all the other trees: 30 When they are already in the bud, by observing it YOU know for yourselves that now the summer is near. 31 In this way YOU also, when YOU see these things occurring, know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 Truly I say to YOU, This generation will by no means pass away until all things occur. 33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away."Lk21;29
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Re: If the 144,000 chosen to be kings in heaven are from the 12 tribes of Israel why does Rv5:7 say their from all nations?
" And I heard the number of those who were sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel:" Rv7:4

"And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, because you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.” Rv7:9
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It's because there are two groups of people being referred to:

the 144000 sealed from the tribes of Israel,

and

the people Jesus bought from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.


9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
(Revelation 7:9)


Clearly the great multitude that can't be numbered isn't the same as the 144000. Because obviously the 144000 have been numbered.
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" And I heard the number of those who were sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel:" Rv7:4

"And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, because you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.” Rv7:9
 Quoting: DGN


It's because there are two groups of people being referred to:

the 144000 sealed from the tribes of Israel,

and

the people Jesus bought from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.


9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
(Revelation 7:9)


Clearly the great multitude that can't be numbered isn't the same as the 144000. Because obviously the 144000 have been numbered.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54109845

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DGN is extremely dishonest. Never once acknowledging the society's failed predictions. He is a liar.
 Quoting: BANE 51741898

So share truth.
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Re: If the 144,000 chosen to be kings in heaven are from the 12 tribes of Israel why does Rv5:7 say their from all nations?
Oh yes the 'chosen' 144k...everyone thinks the religious jews of today are the chosen people, and the land of Israel as the chosen land.

Christ said that one is not a jew outwardly, but inwardly, not by circumcision of the penis, but by circumcision of the heart.

Because the jews of his day rejected Him, he said that they abandoned their house, and the same blessing was open to the gentile with the circumcised heart, and they would be grafted into the spiritual nation of Israel.

In Rev 2:9...Christ tells John....there are those who say they are jews, but they are not, they are liars and impostors, and are of the Synagogue of Satan.

A true Jew, grafted into the spiritual nation of Israel, could be from any ethnic group on the planet...the only requirement is a circumcised heart, which envelopes all that would make one worthy......they will come from everywhere, every country.

That's my take on the matter.
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Put the knife down!!!5a
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Tread carefully. Religion is an early trap for fools~
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off topic...

No, only if they seek to know truth from man instead of Father God is it a trap.
That's why when anyone comes back at me with 'men wrote the Bible' I tell them it was inspired by God through men whom Father God found righteous in heart.

My Father is so good to us He made sure His Word was carried throughout the generations and the only final and true Bible is the KJV, not the NKJV or any other since. With every word I read and the more I sought to know Father it was clear every word in the Bible was from Him. Only the KJV spoke to me too. All the other's never felt right.

His word was finished after the last of the diciples died because they were the only witnesses to Jesus Ressurrection. There is no more written word that came from Father since nor will there be... on this earth.

The 144,000 know who they are and it appear's they will be all men.
Keep it simple and always give <3
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Re: If the 144,000 chosen to be kings in heaven are from the 12 tribes of Israel why does Rv5:7 say their from all nations?
Tread carefully. Religion is an early trap for fools~
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61461539


off topic...

No, only if they seek to know truth from man instead of Father God is it a trap.
That's why when anyone comes back at me with 'men wrote the Bible' I tell them it was inspired by God through men whom Father God found righteous in heart.

My Father is so good to us He made sure His Word was carried throughout the generations and the only final and true Bible is the KJV, not the NKJV or any other since. With every word I read and the more I sought to know Father it was clear every word in the Bible was from Him. Only the KJV spoke to me too. All the other's never felt right.

His word was finished after the last of the diciples died because they were the only witnesses to Jesus Ressurrection. There is no more written word that came from Father since nor will there be... on this earth.

The 144,000 know who they are and it appear's they will be all men.
Keep it simple and always give <3
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The chosen search for GOD until he answers them, they dont stop with man.
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Re: If the 144,000 chosen to be kings in heaven are from the 12 tribes of Israel why does Rv5:7 say their from all nations?
" And I heard the number of those who were sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel:" Rv7:4

"And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, because you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.” Rv7:9
 Quoting: DGN


It's because there are two groups of people being referred to:

the 144000 sealed from the tribes of Israel,

and

the people Jesus bought from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.


9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
(Revelation 7:9)


Clearly the great multitude that can't be numbered isn't the same as the 144000. Because obviously the 144000 have been numbered.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54109845




Palms in their hands...

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Re: If the 144,000 chosen to be kings in heaven are from the 12 tribes of Israel why does Rv5:7 say their from all nations?
The seed of Abraham through time has been dispersed through all nations.

Heavenly Father is gathering his Saints from the four corners of the Earth. They have to take on the Abrahamic covenant along with their genetic ties to be grafted into the house of Israel.



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keep reading. There are the countless others you conveniently left out.
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Meaning?





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