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A distant planet may lurk far beyond Neptune

 
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A distant planet may lurk far beyond Neptune
Out beyond Neptune, the solar system resembles the deep ocean: dark, remote and largely unexplored. To an Earth-bound observer, even the brightest objects, such as Pluto, are 4,000 times as faint as what the human eye can see. An undiscovered planet could easily lurk out there unnoticed, a possible fossil from a time when the giant planets jockeyed for position 4 billion years ago, scattering planets and asteroids in their wake. But even the largest telescopes would struggle to find such a faint spot of light. Most likely, the clues would be entangled in the distorted orbits of faraway ice boulders tumbling around the sun.

Astronomers Chad Trujillo and Scott Sheppard provided a hint about how such a world might reveal itself last March when they announced the discovery of a 450-kilometer-wide dwarf planet just outside the Kuiper belt — the icy debris field past Neptune (SN: 5/3/14, p. 16).

Their find, designated 2012 VP113, is on a course that loops around the sun in a vastly elongated orbit far from the known planets. It has thousands of neighbors but shares its odd trajectory only with Sedna, another dwarf planet, discovered in 2003.

“They’re kind of in a no-man’s-land,” says Sheppard, of the Carnegie Institution for Science in Washington, D.C. “These objects couldn’t get out there with what we currently know.”

Something had to drag the two dwarf planets from their original, smaller orbits. Except nothing is close or massive enough to take the credit. At least, nothing astronomers are aware of.

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I don't understand the rational to this. Beyond Pluto the universe does not stop. Must be Brazilians of dwarf planets. I'm just concerned with the one out by the sun.
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"The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title."

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

The woman who is not pursued sets up the doctrine that pursuit is offensive to her sex, and wants to make it a felony. No genuinely attractive woman has any such desire. - H.L. Mencken, In Defense Of Women
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THE CHILDREN OF ODIN
The Book of Northern Myths
By Padraic Colum


Once there was another Sun and another Moon; a different Sun and a different Moon from the ones we see now. Sol was the name of that Sun and Mani was the name of that Moon. But always behind Sol and Mani wolves went, a wolf behind each. The wolves caught on them at last and they devoured Sol and Mani. And then the world was in darkness and cold.
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I don't understand the rational to this. Beyond Pluto the universe does not stop. Must be Brazilians of dwarf planets. I'm just concerned with the one out by the sun.
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Brazilians you say!? Gah thats alot!
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I just go along with the report in jest. I do know why they are spending the energy on such a report. If it was fictitious then I highly doubt a news report would even consider such things as Dwarf planet beyond Neptune now. Reminds me of 1983 where the Washington post stopped it's findings as oops, it was really only nothing. Now it's back in the news as a what if story to play with our sub conscious.
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Face Palmer you should be a TV man. You got the fresh stuff man. Pretty clear.
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Face Palmer you should be a TV man. You got the fresh stuff man. Pretty clear.
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Is this a job offer? chuckle
"The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title."

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

The woman who is not pursued sets up the doctrine that pursuit is offensive to her sex, and wants to make it a felony. No genuinely attractive woman has any such desire. - H.L. Mencken, In Defense Of Women
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5 stars this time
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Face Palmer you should be a TV man. You got the fresh stuff man. Pretty clear.
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Is this a job offer? chuckle
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Haha I need a fucking job myself.

I just see things in your pattern that are very clear.

I want you as my TV :P
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5 stars this time
you post good things when not in asshole mode
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LOL! This is a discussion forum. If you believe people that have a different opinion are assholes by definition this ain't my problem. The Ebola warning on PS4 network is bullshit. Even today :)

Oh and by the way: If I hit on your thread, its nothing personal. I hit on the message, not the messenger.

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"The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title."

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

The woman who is not pursued sets up the doctrine that pursuit is offensive to her sex, and wants to make it a felony. No genuinely attractive woman has any such desire. - H.L. Mencken, In Defense Of Women
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Due to your outstanding performance on GLP I would like to award you this song.
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Due to your outstanding performance on GLP I would like to award you this song.
Fuck I hope you like it.
I like the song

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Thanks, but its blocked here. Will check it at home
"The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title."

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

The woman who is not pursued sets up the doctrine that pursuit is offensive to her sex, and wants to make it a felony. No genuinely attractive woman has any such desire. - H.L. Mencken, In Defense Of Women
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Due to your outstanding performance on GLP I would like to award you this song.
Fuck I hope you like it.
I like the song

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Thanks, but its blocked here. Will check it at home
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No worries man. Its all good.
I like this one more myself and there is too much doom and gloom sometimes.
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I've been reading this story over and over again. It's interesting how it was written and this part.

Something had to drag the two dwarf planets from their original, smaller orbits. Except nothing is close or massive enough to take the credit. At least, nothing astronomers are aware of.

This says volumes. It is something said from out of the past when the first two Scientist found something out there they could not see but seen something was tugging on Neptune. So they sent a probe worth a sum of money to go investigate.

If it was all fictitious, who cares. It's boring. Lets talk Hockey.
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I just go along with the report in jest. I do know why they are spending the energy on such a report. If it was fictitious then I highly doubt a news report would even consider such things as Dwarf planet beyond Neptune now. Reminds me of 1983 where the Washington post stopped it's findings as oops, it was really only nothing. Now it's back in the news as a what if story to play with our sub conscious.
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You don't understand the grant system for Phd's.
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If everything inside the asteroid belt is small and rocky, and everything inside the kuiper belt is large and gaseous, then doesn't it stand to reason that there should be even larger bodies outside that?? Possibly so large and made of a material with a density so low we can't even detect it.
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They are dribbling PX out in bits and pieces
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what's the problem with planets beyond Pluto? The astronomers say it as if they discovered planet X, as if they excuse themselves for the discovery in the sight of skeptical public.

It is just the opposite. The wide public is quite more educated from books like Sitchin's (not only!). The astronomers with all their precautions look like lunatics. Sometimes they can't take obvious things. As all the solar activity they find it hard to explain. As globular objects next to the sun they call computer glitches. As the comets that are not "dirty snowballs". As the Martian artifacts. I listened to a NASA conference for 2h how they explained and excused some microbial life on Mars, in the distant past, and traces of water? As if they feel guilty they ever say such a possibility in public. If they were not titled with doctoral degrees perhaps the people would think of them completely different based on their way to explain things, and to "prove" them. Perhaps they didn't see the forest while looking for the trees.
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I just go along with the report in jest. I do know why they are spending the energy on such a report. If it was fictitious then I highly doubt a news report would even consider such things as Dwarf planet beyond Neptune now. Reminds me of 1983 where the Washington post stopped it's findings as oops, it was really only nothing. Now it's back in the news as a what if story to play with our sub conscious.
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You don't understand the grant system for Phd's.
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Some of the most accredited people with a PHD don't know squat. Is the world a comfortable place? A hippy could do a better job. Lets have some happy times or at the least the truth.
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The main court house in Ottawa has real meteorites embedded in the walls outside. Why? Because whoever wrote the laws up here must have been off a different planet.
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THE CHILDREN OF ODIN
The Book of Northern Myths
By Padraic Colum


Once there was another Sun and another Moon; a different Sun and a different Moon from the ones we see now. Sol was the name of that Sun and Mani was the name of that Moon. But always behind Sol and Mani wolves went, a wolf behind each. The wolves caught on them at last and they devoured Sol and Mani. And then the world was in darkness and cold.
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yoda thank you
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I've been reading this story over and over again. It's interesting how it was written and this part.

Something had to drag the two dwarf planets from their original, smaller orbits. Except nothing is close or massive enough to take the credit. At least, nothing astronomers are aware of.

This says volumes. It is something said from out of the past when the first two Scientist found something out there they could not see but seen something was tugging on Neptune. So they sent a probe worth a sum of money to go investigate.

If it was all fictitious, who cares. It's boring. Lets talk Hockey.
 Quoting: Space Poke 64717122


Tell me more! You can't just cut with, lets talk about Hockey... Or tell me where I can google this, i'm interested as to what they found.

Great thread OP hf
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alien03 We are coming for your gold and women...

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I don't understand the rational to this. Beyond Pluto the universe does not stop. Must be Brazilians of dwarf planets. I'm just concerned with the one out by the sun.
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^^THIS^^
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[link to www.gutenberg.org]
THE CHILDREN OF ODIN
The Book of Northern Myths
By Padraic Colum


Once there was another Sun and another Moon; a different Sun and a different Moon from the ones we see now. Sol was the name of that Sun and Mani was the name of that Moon. But always behind Sol and Mani wolves went, a wolf behind each. The wolves caught on them at last and they devoured Sol and Mani. And then the world was in darkness and cold.
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Saturn was this solar systems 'old' sun...
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[link to www.gutenberg.org]
THE CHILDREN OF ODIN
The Book of Northern Myths
By Padraic Colum


Once there was another Sun and another Moon; a different Sun and a different Moon from the ones we see now. Sol was the name of that Sun and Mani was the name of that Moon. But always behind Sol and Mani wolves went, a wolf behind each. The wolves caught on them at last and they devoured Sol and Mani. And then the world was in darkness and cold.
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Saturn was this solar systems 'old' sun...
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For all that is interested, this is pretty neat

[link to www.maverickscience.com]
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Perturbing isn't?
Could this be why, or at least one of many reasons, Pluto was down graded from planet status?
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I just go along with the report in jest. I do know why they are spending the energy on such a report. If it was fictitious then I highly doubt a news report would even consider such things as Dwarf planet beyond Neptune now. Reminds me of 1983 where the Washington post stopped it's findings as oops, it was really only nothing. Now it's back in the news as a what if story to play with our sub conscious.
 Quoting: Space Poke 64717122


You don't understand the grant system for Phd's.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47095741


Some of the most accredited people with a PHD don't know squat. Is the world a comfortable place? A hippy could do a better job. Lets have some happy times or at the least the truth.
 Quoting: Space Poke 64717122


You're quickly becoming one of my favorite posters, Space :)
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[link to www.gutenberg.org]
THE CHILDREN OF ODIN
The Book of Northern Myths
By Padraic Colum


Once there was another Sun and another Moon; a different Sun and a different Moon from the ones we see now. Sol was the name of that Sun and Mani was the name of that Moon. But always behind Sol and Mani wolves went, a wolf behind each. The wolves caught on them at last and they devoured Sol and Mani. And then the world was in darkness and cold.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65005814


Saturn was this solar systems 'old' sun...
 Quoting: Tampa Heather


For all that is interested, this is pretty neat

[link to www.maverickscience.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62943989


Thanks, I'll check it out...I came to this conclusion after reading many antiquated esoteric books and several on planetary geology and astrophysics. Seems like I had a dream about living on Mars when Saturn was our star...I know it was just a dream but it helped me to envision what it looked like :)
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