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2001 & 2010 Space Odyssey/TRON UPDATE revelations

 
Anonymous Coward
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Mr. Whoever # 238647 wrote all this is "useless information ever". Perhaps understanding things in the mind or reading a lot is a way to lose time but I think is better than writing something like "I am God" or "I am from the future, ask me a question" and to be read by a million morons who even vote 12 stars for something like that. I watch films, I read books, I write things, I do cook, I prepare cocktails and drink, I travel to countries in order to learn other things as well, I teach things, I learn things, I live, I enjoy sex, I talk about futile things as well when the time is apropiate. If all these is a waste time, I think you better change your perspective and transform yourself into a stupid giant turtle at Galapagos island and live.... let's say 200 years in complete ignorance... as it seems you are living. Good to learn about you and "meet" you, shall we procede to forget everything about you before we leave you?
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More of the most useless information ever! I think its become abudantly clear that you dont do ANYTHING but sit and watch movies all day, dork.
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Something wonderful is about to happen!

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Something wonderful is about to happen!

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And here it is!
I think ive found where this clown(inca) should put his incredible "skills" to work for him.

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Thanks for waste your valuable time and read me, The Clown. Now you can withdraw with a smile rather than easy wrath. That would be "something wonderful" in times of war...Be nice!
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Can anyone provide proof that these guys really pay? I mean [link to harknessfoundation.net] , my friend gave me registration link, I'm still pondering can I trust them or not can someone provide proof that Harkness makes payments? payout screenshot would be fine?
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11/30/2008 08:05 PM
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You remember that narrative elipse which cuts millions of year of evolution, don't you? When the hominid throws the bone up and then we see the station spinning like a wheel.

Well we gotta thank the INSPIRATION of the educated Kubrick came from a 1944 black and white movie called A Canterbury Tale. Check the scene where the falcon flying upward is transformed into a II World War plane flying down in vertical manner 600 years later and the piligrim in Middle Ages reencarnates into an English soldier:

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In page number 1 I wrote about the 666 in 2001 Space Odyssey but it's peculiar (to say the least) he died 66 days before 1999 and 666 days before January 1st, 2001.
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Whe I wrote "he" I meant Kubrick.
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Sweded Tron (meanwhile they finish filming in Vancouver Tr2n with an older Jeff Bridges and "Tron" himself...
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The wireframe structure and geometric pattern are always present everywhere in the movies, Lawnmower Man, Tron, Matrix, Star Wars, Blade Runner, Metropolis. The cybernaut is "caught" and sucked into this reality beyond the limits of our daily life, like making impposible spins in straight angles with lightbikes:


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To be conscious means not to be dead people burying dead people. WAKE UP and be aware you're in front of the desktop and you don't have to become your eyes, completely unconscious about the person movement the feet, typing with the fingers, completely unaware -like Jeff Bridges- what's behind you (when he was shot by the laser gun), beside, the smell coming from somewhere, the way your back is curved and what you call "now" and so on.
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06/11/2009 11:29 AM
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My gosh, it's full of stars!
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Bump what iMBecil and mainly why? Mr/Mrs 328069
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Brilliant recap, OP.

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Thanks, see these images:

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Wow, besides 328069 we have another "bump" pseudo-poster 365611 who can't add anything else. BRAVO! clap-clap-clap!
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For the ultimate view of 2001 you have to read Jay Weidner's great essay Alchemical Kubrick: The Great Work on Film. Explains the whole film!
[link to www.jayweidner.com]
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I've written some of the things mentioned in this link and yet there are other interesting stuff:
The soundtrack is playing Ligeti's 'Requiem' and 'Lux Aeterna', which sounds like a psychedelic Gregorian chant. This is a religious and spiritual moment of great importance. Kubrick is not hiding this in any way.
The leader of the apemen begins to become frighten. He jumps up and down and begins grunting and chattering as he beholds the magnificence of this monolith. The other apemen are awakened by his noises and they too see the black monolith. The entire tribe starts going completely crazy. They dance and scream as they frightfully contemplate this strange and beautiful arrival into their mundane existence. The leader of the apeman is beside himself. He carefully crawls over to the monolith. He attempts to touch it, but his fear is so great that he pulls his hand back. One more time, as the music on the soundtrack becomes more numinous, he attempts to touch the absolutely pure and straight edge of this visiting slab of rock. Slowly he gathers the strength necessary and his fingers touch the smooth sides. Kubrick gives this moment an indefinable sensuality. The way that the fingers of the apeman brush gently along the smooth sides of the monolith are as sexual as this film is going to get. With the sacred music mixing with the magical alignments, Kubrick is saying that this is a great spiritual moment. As soon as the lead apeman has gotten up the nerve to touch the monolith, Kubrick cuts to a dynamic shot of the monolith lying directly under a magical moon, sun alignment. This scene is occurring just after a solar eclipse. The sun and the moon have just parted from their eclipsed point. Once again an eclipse has preceded an intiatory event. This is exactly what Kubrick is attempting to tell us. The monolith appears when there are certain magical alignments of the sun, moon and stars. Again this is of a deep alchemical significance. Kubrick is telling us, flat out, that the sun, moon and stars are directing our destiny.
Bowman first falls through an abyss of geometry's and colors. The universe is passing by at light-speed. Everything has become porous and blended together. Seven octahedrons - all changing color and form - appear over the sliding universe. The core of a distant galaxy explodes. A sperm cell-like creature searches for something. An ovary? A cloud-like embryo is forming into a child . Now alien worlds fly by, all of their colors and hues gone wild. Bowman is experiencing overload and looks like he might not be able to handle the amount of information that is being given.
This is humanity's initiation. Bowman is our representative in this process. He is the first man through. In this experience of passing through the monolith, or the single stone, Bowman is shamanically transformed by a completely psychedelic experience. Real information is being passed to Bowman by the monolith. And this information is experiential and shamanic.
He stares at the monolith, the single stone. It stands like a huge stone book at the foot of his bed. He raises his hand and points at the stone monolith as if he finally understands. Slowly his aged body begins turning into a bright and glorious light. The light is so intense that, for a brief moment, the viewer can't see what is happening on the bed. But, momentarily, something does appear. It is an embryo with a nearly-born fetus in it. This is the famous Starchild. The Starchild slowly becomes more in focus. In the next shot Kubrick tracks his camera into the very body of the monolith, coming from the direction of the bed. He is clearly showing us that the Starchild has entered into and passing through the monolith. In the very next scene - which is the last scene in the movie - the Starchild is passing the moon and is heading towards the Earth.
There are 64 squares on the floor of the strange room that Bowman finds himself in. The 64 squares of the chessboard are also the magic square of hermes, the founder of alchemy. Kubrick was a great chess player and this last scene is a metaphor not only for chess as the game of life but also the coincidence of the chessboard matching the magic number of DNA and the number of hexagrams in the Chinese I-Ching, which is the centerpiece of Chinese alchemy. Bowman realizes as he lays on his bed at the end of his life that he is involved in a cosmic chess match against the monolith. When he raises his hand and points at the monolith his is acknowledging that he has - in a sense - been checkmated by the monolith.

The stone has given Bowman the gifts that the Philosopher's Stone has always promised. Bowman has achieved complete gnosis, or knowledge, and now he has become immortal by overcoming physical death and being reborn. In that moment, he passes through the monolith one last time. The Earth is ahead of him now and he will be reborn on that planet. Bowman will be a new human, just as different from Homo Sapiens as Homo Sapiens are different from that apeman who picked up that bone all that time ago. Nietzche's ape to man to superman theme, from his 'Thus Spoke Zarathustra' essays, is mirrored perfectly by Strauss' music and Kubrick's movie. Kubrick has evoked the spiritual and physical evolution of our race as it has been transformed by this magical black stone.
Bowman is also a name for the constellation Sagittarius. Which is a man with a bow. This on it's own may appear to be uninteresting but one of the great alchemical secrets concerns the position of the center of the galaxy. This point in the sky is found right next to the constellation of Sagittarius. In fact, the Bow-Man of Sagittarius is shooting his arrow right into the heart of the Milky Way galaxy. Bowman represents Sagittarius' arrow as it passes through the center of the galaxy. This is also echoed later in the 'Beyond the Infinite' sequence where Bowman witnesses an exploding galaxy.
The Tree of life has three main pillars. In order to pass from one realm, or aspect, of the Kabbala one must use one of these three central pillars, or processes. If one adds up the numbers 2001 ( 2 + 0 + 0 + 1 ) the sum is three. There are three words in the title after the 2001. There is an eclipse of three celestial bodies at the beginning of the film. There are three eclipses in the film. There are three conscious entities aboard the Discovery spacecraft and there are three unconscious entities, the men who are in hibernation. Bowman goes through three stages of transformation in his life at the end of the film. The 'World Riddle' theme also plays three times. The first is the earthly realm, represented by Malkuth, which is the sephireh located at the very bottom of the Tree of Life. This is the realm of the kingdom, or of mankind. The second realm up is that of the moon, or the sephireh Yesod. The third realm is that of the sun, or the sephireh named Tiperoth, and the final realm of the Tree of Life is that of the ultimate being or consciousness, represented by the sephireh named Kether.
Like all great alchemical works the film '2001' is broken up into four chapters. The first, the apeman sequence, is the only episode to take place on Earth. This would represent the realm of the Earth, or Malkuth, according to the Kabbala. The second chapter takes place off of the Earth, with Heywood Floyd going to the moon. It finally climaxes on the very surface of the moon. This chapter represents Yesod in the Tree of Life, or the realm of the Moon. The third chapter, which concerns the mission to Jupiter. is a little more tricky. In order to understand the Kabbalic significance of this sequence it is important to understand, that in the original script, by Arthur C. Clarke and Kubrick, the space craft Discovery was heading towards the planet Saturn, and not Jupiter. As stated earlier, Kubrick was forced to switch to Jupiter because the rings of Saturn proved too difficult. The Special Effects department couldn't make them realistic enough. In the original script the planet was Saturn. This is very important because in the Kabbala, one can switch places between the Sun, or Tiperoth, and Saturn. In other words Saturn can be used as a symbolic representation of the Sun. Is it a coincidence that this third chapter, which was originally intended to be about a voyage to Saturn, is also about the third realm of the Kabbala - Tiperoth? When one considers this switch is allowed in the rules of the Kabbala this sequence comes to represent the third realm of the Tree of Life.
In the final realm of the Kabbala the seeker can swim in the ocean of the mind of God - which is represented by the sephireh named Kether. This state of awareness is similar to the Sammadi-state from the yogic tradition. This state can be attained only by very few people. In the case of this film, the final realm of the Tree of Life can be only attained by one man. And this can be done only with the help of the monolith, or the stone. Bowman - the furthest out and the loneliest person in the universe - is that man. Interestingly, in the Tree of Life, there is an abyss that lies between Tiperoth and Kether. This abyss must be crossed by the initiate before they can successfully complete their journey. This abyss is called Daath in the Kaballa. Bowman crosses this abyss during the famous light show sequence. The colors and shapes on the screen are shown in such a way as to create a 'falling' sensation in the viewer. Kubrick is taking the viewer through the abyss of Daath and into the world of Kether where all illusions fail.
In 'Mystery of the Cathedrals' Fulcanelli points out quite clearly, once one understands the key, that this fourth realm of the Tree of Life is physically represented by the very center of our galaxy, the Milky Way. The four spheres are thus, the Earth, Moon, Sun and Galaxy. In the abyss sequence of the film, Kubrick very consciously shows a galaxy. It is expanding and growing like an organism. Kubrick has brought the viewer of the film through the four realms of the Tree of Life, all brilliantly evoked in the right pattern with enough intricate knowledge of the Kabbala to give one a long pause for consideration. It certainly seems that someone (Kubrick the Jew) was aware of the Kabbala in the making of this film.
There is a monolith that appears right after the opening sequence with the magical, lunar eclipse. But where is it? It is right in front of the viewer's eyes! The film is the monolith. In a secret that seems to never have been seen by anyone: the monolith in the film has the same exact dimensions as the movie screen on which 2001 was projected.
That is Kubrick's ultimate trick. He slyly shows here that he knows what he is doing at every step in the process. The monolith and the movie are the same thing. This idea has been partially proven by the fact that Stanley never again used that size ratio for any other films that he would make for the rest of his career. He carefully decided to make '2001' his last film done with this screen size ratio.
The monolith also represents the 'cube of space' or the 'container of creation' in alchemy. The cube of space is the container that holds reality. Kubrick originally intended for the object in the film to be a tetrahedron pyramid. This would have been appropriate to what he was attempting to convey because the tetrahedron is the building block of the third dimension. It is, in a way, a cubed brick. Is this another trick of Stanley's, who's last name (Kubrick, 'Cubed-Brick') mirror's that concept so clearly? This black stone of creation is also one of the main features in the Islamic religion, where a black meteorite sits near the kaaba, or cube of space, in the Arabian city of Mecca. Kubrick has combined these many deeply held spiritual traditions and symbols and refashioned them into the monolith, or stone, that is constructed in the same dimensions as the movie screen on which it will be projected. The monolith represents the Philosopher Stone, the Book of Nature and the Film that initiates.
In spite of this, I repeat what I said before:

Actually he did a tetrahedron made of Persplex glass.
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great.
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Scenes we would like to see (if a window opens saying "fechar" or "cerrar" meaning "close" just click on the X ):
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Americans usually give some credit to the Anglo Saxon race, in this case Clarke was awarded but the question is: WHO KNOWS THE RUSSIAN INSPIRATION BEHIND HIS "IDEAS"?

The first fictional depiction of a satellite being launched into orbit is a short story by Edward Everett Hale, The Brick Moon. The story is serialized in The Atlantic Monthly, starting in 1869. The idea surfaces again in Jules Verne's The Begum's Fortune (1879).
In 1903 Konstantin Tsiolkovsky (1857–1935) published The Exploration of Cosmic Space by Means of Reaction Devices which is the first academic treatise on the use of rocketry to launch spacecraft. He calculated the orbital speed required for a minimal orbit around the Earth at 8 km/s, and that a multi-stage rocket fueled by liquid propellants could be used to achieve this. He proposed the use of liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen, though other combinations can be used.

In 1928 Slovenian Herman Potočnik (1892–1929) published his sole book, The Problem of Space TravelThe Rocket Motor (German: Das Problem der Befahrung des Weltraums — der Raketen-Motor), a plan for a breakthrough into space and a permanent human presence there. He conceived of a space station in detail and calculated its geostationary orbit. He described the use of orbiting spacecraft for detailed peaceful and military observation of the ground and described how the special conditions of space could be useful for scientific experiments. The book described geostationary satellites (first put forward by Tsiolkovsky) and discussed communication between them and the ground using radio, but fell short of the idea of using satellites for mass broadcasting and as telecommunications relays.


In a 1945 Wireless World article the English science fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke (1917-2008) described in detail the possible use of communications satellites for mass communications. Clarke examined the logistics of satellite launch, possible orbits and other aspects of the creation of a network of world-circling satellites, pointing to the benefits of high-speed global communications. He also suggested that three geostationary satellites would provide coverage over the entire planet.

English philosopher and writer of STAR MAKER, Olaf W. Stapledon the influence of Clark and C. S. Lewis:

[link to www.daviddarling.info]

The space-elevator or towers up the sky originally was not Clark’s but once again the same space-pioneer from Russia back in 1895 from whom he took the idea of use of satellites: Konstantin Eduardovich Tsiolkovsky:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

He had written:

“On the tower, as one climbed higher and higher up it, GRAVITY WOULD DECREASE RAPIDLY; and if it were constructed on the Earth’s equator and, therefore, rapidly rotated together with the earth, the gravitation would disappear not only because of the distance from the center of the planet, but also from the centrifugal force that is increasingly proportionately to that distance. The gravitational force drops… but the centrifugal force operating in the REVERSE DIRECTION INCREASES. On the earth the gravity is finally eliminated at the top of the tower, at an elevation of 5.5 radii of the earth [22,300 miles]…”

Even if the skyscraper were composed of 100% diamond (nobody will do that), it would be too weak to bear itself after ridiculous (in comparison) 10 miles. That until in the 60’s another Russian engineer from Leningrad (Yuri Artsutanov) worked on the idea of his country fellow man. In 1960 he wrote an article "V Kosmos na Electrovoze (en. Into space with the help of an electric locomotive)", where he discussed the concept of the space elevator as an economic, safe and convenient way to access orbit and facilitate space exploration.

Artsutanov developed the idea from works of Konstantin Tsiolkovsky, who in 1895 proposed an idea of building an orbital tower. Artsutanov's concept was based on the linking of geosynchronous satellites to the ground with a cable. Skyhook starting FROM THE SPACE! He suggested using the satellite as the base from which to construct the tower since a geosynchronous satellite will remain over a fixed point on the equator. By using a counterweight, a tapered cable would be lowered from the geosynchronous orbit to the surface of Earth while the counterweight was extended from the satellite away from Earth, keeping the center of mass of the cable motionless relative to Earth via centrifugal force. Note that the ideas of the tower and the elevator differ since THE TOWER IS A COMPRESSION STRUCTURE while the ELEVATOR IS AN ORBITING TENSION STRUCTURE much easier to build and maintain.

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Clark said we could build that even with chewing gum if we want it (better carbon nanotubes based on geometrical molecules like buckyballs ).

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Trailer on youtube:

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How did you like Tron2?
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Did you notice the rococo style a la Space Odyssey and the floor?

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