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2001 & 2010 Space Odyssey/TRON UPDATE revelations

 
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First thing: Flynn’s room looks 1700’s Baroque a la 2001 Space Odyssey:
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In 2001 the rectangular monolith made of wood and sprayed black by Kubrick (because his persglass tetrahedron didn’t look good) was the stargate which trigged evolution during the Age of Aquarium: the birth of resurrected Osiris in the form of Horus via obelisk/pyramid at the proper conjunction related to Jupiter, Saturn and even Sirius star:
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Tron is clearly an allegory on the Christian gospel. The Users = God; note the expression, "My user." There are bad programs, who are dupes of Master Control = atheists dupes of Satan. "Sark" (David Warner in the first film) is the Greek root word for flesh, one of the enemies of the Christian.
"The concept of the Users struck him as so basic, so intrinsic" = the existence of God is axiomatic. A program is made in the image of the user.
"Our spirit remains in every program" = God breathed into Adam the breath of life".- Flynn becomes a program in the Computer World and saves the computer world from the MCP = Christ becomes a man and saves the world from Satan.
There is a waterfall and stream = the Holy Spirit Who gives power;
- the disk = the Bible, the word of God, instrument of warfare (Sword of the Spirit) and instrument of receiving the Holy Spirit's power; they drink using the disk.
The Communication Bean = prayer
Flynn brings Yori back to life = Christ raising the dead.
Sark is apparently by the MCP brought back to life with a horrible wound = the Beast in Revelation with an apparent resurrection.
The MCP is possibly a former "Guardian" = Cherub? (Satan the "anointed cherub that covered; Ezek 28; Isaiah 14)
"a feeling like that is the laser lab . . . digitized" = Flynn's sacrifice of self to save the computer world = the cross of Christ; Flynn leaves the computer to go back to the outside world = the ascension. And there is a new creation.
The movie is a very clever allegory -- of course it does not match perfectly the gospel. Those who do not know the Bible are doomed to poverty in understanding the arts.
The old sci-fi plot would have an evil computer trying to take over the world. In Tron, the computer is neutral, having evil and good programs in it -- so far as I know, an original approach. There is a nice little allusion to the movie, The Day the Earth Stood Still,": "GORT, KLAATU BARADA NIKTO!"

The wireframe structure and geometric pattern are always present everywhere in the movies, Lawnmower Man, Tron, Matrix, Star Wars, Blade Runner, Metropolis. The cybernaut is "caught" and sucked into this reality beyond the limits of our daily life, like making impposible spins in straight angles with lightbikes.
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Computer a.i. programs are made up of countless on and off switches right with binary digits 1 and 0, right? Well in Tron these programs are actual moving characters called ISOs. Iso's are another word for atoms, which instead of on/off have positive and negative charges. Difference is the at the core we have neutrons and programs don’t have anything neutral about themselves, or do they??

Because the silicon itself is an atom. We are made of carbon and carbon does have protons,electrons and neuTRONS = 6 protons 6 electrons and 6 neutrons. 666 the number code of the FLESH which was Sark’s name in the first film.

So much duality in the movie, and then there was Tron, the program who in the first movie was good and saved the system, was for no apparent reason an evil program (red) in this movie, and then later again for no reason he turns good (blue) again, back and forth, through good and evil but still neutral over a long period of time. Therefore in the end a better name for tron could be NEUtron. Flynn/Bridges behavior is ZEN like God’s no intervention while CLU (clue me in, right?) Flynn nemesis had –like Satan meaning the One in Opposition- his own ideas of what is “perfection”. God is neutral….and Satan is pro… proton?
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I meant perspex glass...
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The program doesn’t get old but the user does….hmmm, I think this is connected with tree of everlasting life as well.
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In the beginning we saw something like a SPHINX in the original film. It was Dumont/Dr Walter Gibbs:
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God is neutral neutron….and Satan is pro… proton? Or the SON needs to be pro action, proton while Clu was the neutron, negative particle?
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Tron is in Imax and 3D...bet it's eye popping!
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In the original Tron we saw something like a SPHINX. It was Dumont/Dr Walter Gibbs. He’s guardian of the tower and is like a bridge of communication between the grid and our outside realm:
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Interesting is the rotating laser beam of the MCP becomes like Dumont, like a sphinx caught in stone. Can you see the headpiece is like Egyptian?

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Lightbikes travelling on that grid reminds me of a computer game. You try to trap the opponent in a maze. Original Tron was good because we saw the bikes turning 90 degrees. Bikes leaving trails of light behind them that create walls to block an opponent. TRON 2 depicts them like common bikes! The visuals are far superior, but the imagination behind them seems to lack the originality of the first film.

Surprisingly, though, apart from the advances in the effects, TRON: Legacy not only adds little to the ideas of the original, but in fact takes a step back.

One of the most stunningly original factors of the TRON world, was the ability to be completely different from the real world. Things could happen that would be utterly impossible in the normal universe. For example, the original film's most iconic sequence is its light-cycle race, where vehicles can turn suddenly at 90 degrees, leaving trails of light behind them that create walls to block an opponent. This set TRON aside from anything seen before, and exemplified the originality and creativity of the film.

In TRON: Legacy, the cycles now move like normal motorbikes. This alteration is a good example of what I consider a major flaw in TRON: Legacy. Its entire world seems far too based in real-world physics. We are plunged into a realm that has the potential to be full of impossible wonders, and instead are given one that, while impressive, has few elements that would seem out-of-place in simply a futuristic or alien world. Of course the visuals are far superior, but the imagination behind them seems to lack the originality of the first film.

The method to recreate Flynn and result are the same as films such as Avatar, but where Avatar succeeded, was in avoiding the use of actual human characters. Therefore the system's failings were not quite so evident. Unfortunately the de-aged Bridges feels like a video-game character or someone with bad plastic surgery. This would have been reasonably acceptable for the CLU character alone (albeit jarring with the completely natural faces of the un-altered actors playing the other 'digital' characters), but they used the same technique for a flash-back in the real world, which feels quite dreadful.

The hooks look like a gate. The smallest component in a typical microchip is the CMOS transistor, it can represent a binary "0" or "1". A couple of those transistors make up a logical dielectric gate like AND, NAND, OR operations. Those gates build all logic, CPU's, memories, flip-flops, shift registers. It's not very exciting really, it's just a huge number of similar things on a small area. I guess this is a “recognizer” in the film or not?

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The bulb (someone dressed up like one) in the original Tron looks like an electron tube. They are the “inoperative data pushers”. It was the component used in radios, amplifiers etc., before the transistor was invented. It can act as an amplifier, or as a switch.

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They are still used today in specific applications, high voltage amps for example. There are also HiFi nerds that claim tubes are superior to transistors because of better linearity.

The “disks” they use to play games look like silicon computer circuits:
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The IO towers, of course are the input/output devices in the real world.
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Compare the visual FXs and check the current bikes don't make this 90 degrees turns and everything is like happening in our physical dimension and rules. Better visuals but LACK of originality:
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201 MINUTES OF SPACE IDIOCY:
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Throughout our run in time, the human race has demonstrated an unconscious and conscious desire to rid itself of its flesh. Why?

1. Hormones rule us, or seem to, when puberty hits; we hate to be controlled, especially from within.

2. Women are subjected to menstrual cycles, something that causes pain for them and is a great discomfort and inconvenience to their spouses and relatives.

3. It is fragile, and needs care and maintenance, this makes us feel vulnerable, above all else, humans hate feeling vulnerable, taken as a whole.

4. It dies, or, it has a limited life span. This is not only sad, it is scary for the one in such a body who has never experienced the other side, the spirit realm.

5. Our bodies hold us in, they limit us, they restrict us, and people judge us, though it is by the luck of the draw, on how we look.

6. Oddly enough, it separates us from the most narcissistic yet blissful moment of our lives, our infant-hood in which we felt at one with our mothers as they served us and tried to meet our every need.

This hatred of our flesh, our bodies, and the desire to return to that narcissistic infant/mother bliss has spawned several religions and belief systems, and has ruined the original teachings of Christ.

The next time you hear of a strange religion or esoteric belief or occult objective, ask yourself this question:

Does this belief teach a doing away or letting go of flesh and its hold on us, and/or does this belief fulfil, teach, or hint at, the reuniting of one to an innocent/infant state in guise of the narcissistic infant/mother bliss?

You will be amazed at how often the answer to this question is Yes.

What if, instead of learning to shun the flesh, one were taught to embrace it?

What if someone taught you to embrace the flesh, both its strengths and vulnerabilities? I'm not saying we should embrace the darkness that flesh can lead to, I'm saying we should embrace this flesh as it was intended, not as a curse, but as a gift.

For the childish and power hungry, my words will fall on deaf ears, but for the people who embrace life and its joys and sorrows, maybe you will understand what I am offering you, what Jesus offered you, life, and life abundantly so.

What if, instead of feeling guilt at being drawn to people sexually, you recognized it and moved on? What if instead of feeling guilty for having urges, you simply pleasured yourself and moved on, giving those impulses less energy to cause an obsession in your mind?

What if people were to wallow in the little joys of life, instead of wallowing only in the sorrows of life, how much happier would they be? How much happier would you be? Have you ever tried it?

Do you think it foolish or unwise to want to be a human when you could be a powerful spirit being? Then call God unwise, for he not only created Jesus as a human, but intends to stay that way for a long, long time, over and past the thousand year reign. Why? Because these forms experience things that spirit beings can not. They limit us, they focus input from our senses. These bodies take away our control, they give us a wild ride that spirit can not do because when you are just a mind, you control everything that you do, do you not?

You all want to leave this flesh, but God wants to embrace it. That should teach you something about the spirit realm, but I wonder if you are smart enough to learn it?
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Keir Dullea/Dave Bowman contribution to 2001 Space Odyssey:
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I like the concept of entities using lightbikes and existence in nanoseconds different from our reality. Nanosecond (10-9s) is the time it takes 4 the light 2 travel a short 30 cm distance.
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THIS IS A CASE WHERE LIFE MIMICS FILMS:

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Very important video. I've read and listened the first so far. Thanks for sharing it in this topic. Who's the author of these videos? I wanna see the geometric pattern in 3 D.... the 188 or 188.4 matrix.....
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Okey, now I see the relevance of these last videos in this thread: because Kubrick & Clark introduced the octagonal door in 2001 Space Odyssey and octahedrons: [link to www.collativelearning.com] Just like ley lines on the grid of the earth become a polyhedral pyramid inside the earth if seen in 3D and the lines going through actual Great Pyramid splitting the land of the earth (being itself half of an octahedron). Now, I'll check the third video.
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