The Four Gospels Are Contradictory / I Didn't Say It, Your Bible Does

Sure they contradict one another. For an explanation as to why, just go to the Rudolf Steiner e-lib and do a search for "gospels" + "contradict". You might find it hard to read though. Here he talks about just one such contradiction:


[link to wn.rsarchive.org]

I've gone through a lot of questions and I'm still a believer in the words in the book. (how well the Church follows it I'm not that impressed but then the books says they will be far from perfect, even you can't argue against the Bible getting that point correct.

As it is you couldn't have picked a better example of how the texts mesh together rather than conflicting as in your current version. Since we are on different pages I have to give you this just so you can find my version as being attached to the same text. All the text should be gathered as you have done but who said what to whom also has to be laid out. The Gospel of John (the Baptist) was written by his unnamed Disciple from John:1. The beloved disciple is Mary of Bethany (Mary B.)as she was at the cross so that text is via her eyes. No Apostles were at the cross and Peter was the only one that came to the tomb. That means you also have to know how the text came to be in the other 3 Gospels (it takes all 4 Books to make the singular Gospel BTW)Matthew was Peters version ob events, mark and Luke are versions by the brothers James and John. James and John got their version of the cross and tomb from their mother who is said to be at the cross. Peter would have gotten his version from Mary Magdalene (Mary M.)
Put that together and these women were all at the cross and Jesus asked Mary B. to care for His mother (until old age and death) and Mary M. was there as was the mother of James and John. They all make it to Jerusalem before the 6PM deadline as the Passover Sabbath starts at Thursday 6PM and Friday 6PM the weekly Sabbath starts and Saturday 6PM the women could get the materials needed to finish the burial service. If the sun rose at 6AM that would have seen all of them leave Jerusalem at the same time in the dark. Mary M. went ahead and when she got there the stone had been moved and she went back and told the main group then Mary B. and Peter ran to the tomb and she outran Peter as would be the natural case of a woman in love with a man and his best friend. She gets there and waits for Peter (the man) and he verifies the tomb is empty. Mary B. know what has happened by the way the cloth left behind has been folded. The main group gets there and since there is no body they all head back to Jerusalem which is when Mary M. has her chat with Jesus, she runs and tell the group about a coming meeting and then goes to tell others the same thing. Jesus ascends to god and is glorified by about noon and He then tags up with the two walking along and spends the afternoon 'chatting' and it is that late evening at the meeting where He first has them together (except Thomas) and the baptism of the Holy Spirit takes place, Thomas was a week later in a different location. That about sums it up, following along in the 4 books is a bit longer but it certainly fits together that way.

Peter and Mary M. taking Rome on is a decent topic also, but first things first.


The guard is seen to be chatting with the Priests and they pay them to say the body was removed with the promise that they would make sure the Commander didn't kill them for falling asleep on duty. (feel free to ask for the actual verse, you seem like you should have already read it, just not connected it)


3 days later
Mary B. also anointed Jesus with oil in preparation for the cross, ever wonder why she knew something the Apostles were not aware of?


Remember the bit above about how the Apostles got their info, that would cover the 3 books Matthew, Mark and Luke.
The last two should agree more as their mother told them the same story. the version in Matthew was via Mary M.


Perhaps they were Jewish thieves and this was still in the time that the 600+ laws could take a Jews life away. Rome was the 'hired contractor' as Jerusalem was under Roman Law in terms of killing it's own citizens.


John is from the witness of Mary B. and she is at the foot of the cross. Mary M. would have been the witness for Matthew's version as told to Peter and the mother of James and John was in the group that stood at a distance, why wouldn't the viewpoints be different?


On the cross by noon, dead by 3PM and in the tomb by 6PM. That 3 hours in the grave that day allows God to us that as day 1 of 3. The return works on that same time pattern. The two witnesses are raised from the grave at noon and by 3PM all sinners in the world are dead and by 6PM of that same day all the ones in Re:20:4 that need a resurrection to be alive for the full 1,000 years.


The forsaken part was a reference to the prophecy that said He would enter the grave rather than being tortured past a certain point. Jesus was pointing out that the 'smite the Shepherd with a sword means death rather than pain and thirst.
The 'It is finished' is a reference to the bruise to the heel part from Ge:3:15 and it also marked the mid point of Daniels 70th week. That was finished the day Peter had the vision in Act:10


The OT Saints that came out of the grave the same morning also ascended to God when Jesus did that morning. Only Jesus came back and that was only for 40 days. The ones that ascended and did not come back are the ones called the 24 Elders in Re:4. They will be the teachers for the ones that are alive for the 1,000 years and that teaching will prevent them from being classified as a sinner when god sends the fallen angels to their death as the final installment of the bruise to the head part of Ge:3:15.


Ditto lol

The cross is purely astrological in nature and has no literal meaning. That is the point of my thread, to get people to research and see, that the bible is an astrological, mythological, allegory.
The cross you refer too, is the Southern Cross or crux in the sky. Your Jesus is the SUN in this myth and when he dies it is when the SUN is at it's lowest point in the Southern sky, which is Dec. 22nd. This is when the SUN stops moving South or pauses for three days. During the 3 days, the SUN (son) resides under the Southern Cross constellation. On Dec. 25th, the SUN (son) begins to move upward, or rise again. So, the bible says, the SUN (son) died on the cross(crux) and rose again after three days. It's that simple.

Also,if you take the verses literally, then what you said about the O.T. saints ascending could not have happened, because of this verse. John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man. If that happened then Jesus is a liar.

No!!!

They don't contradict each other. ..

But...

I can see why you would say that. ..

In your mind that is the only answer you can have! !!

There are two sides. ..

You choose poorly !!!

your wrong.

the bible does NOT contradict itself.

having one gospel omit x,y, or z is NOT the same as

'the act of saying something that is opposite or very different in meaning to something else'


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you atheists are so @@###^^% needy and tiring.

go the hell away

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Your short version is error. ..

Do you feel the battle slipping away ???

Do your senses betray you? ??

Where are your friends? ??

Have they accepted JESUS CHRIST ???

come and join the winners. ..

That shall inherit THE EARTH! !!

There's only two choices in life. ..

To live. ..

Or to die!!!

To do a good job. ..

Or ...

Do a bad job. ..

On and on. ..

You choose every day. ..

How do you know which is right? ??

Simple. ..

Define the terms by which you live. ..

This is how it is so easy for me to tell who you are. ..

And who your master is! !!

Life is not that complicated...

Once the terms have been defined. ..

OP has defined the terms according to his interpretations. ..

In other words. ..

He made it up! !!

This is a problem. ..

The result is death! !!

Sorry, but you are DEAD wrong. The photon light that is us, never dies. We attain a new shell and carry on.

God, the Holy Spirit and Christ are from the 3rd heaven. The temple in Re:4 is in the 2nd heaven, that is the difference and why the men can be in one and not have been to the one that will be the new heaven the angels that didn't sin will get. Men only get there when it is time for the GWT event.

One can only shake one's head.

Human's been around for 200,000 years and most of them still believe in some variation of this nonsense.

There is no hope.

Reading above, even OP is a flake.

Last Edited by JustSomeGuy_42 on 11/30/2014 12:46 PM

DEAD is relative to where you are. ..

You forget. ..

I know where you are! !!

You don't have a clue who, where or what I AM. .

Well, we don't have your version yet wookiee

OK please bump this thread for knowledge

Chances are pretty good that John was the only one of the 4 Gospel writers who was at the crucifixion. The other 3 not only had to rely on others who were around during those few days, but also had to deal with the amount of time in between the event itself and actual writing of each of the 4 books.

It's common knowledge that each person views and remembers events differently. And what each remembers can change over a period of time.

There's no real contradictions...just different perspectives.

And followers of "critical NT scholars" like Bart Ehrman are hilarious. They are nothing more than "Sherlock Holmes wannabes" trying to justify their educational status and degrees among mankind, and prove mankind's so-called investigative intellect is more knowledgeable than a book and basic Belief in God & Jesus, that has survived nearly 2000 years.

Lol so you base you entire life off some fairy tales told 'telephone game' style and you call other people crazy??? There's still time to save yourself and look in the mirror!