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Is "Remote Viewing Ancient Civilizations - a compilation of data. Is Alterwelt's Alternate History Real or Hoax?

 
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PS I meant to extend my thanks and add, I really enjoyed your questions U3 (as well as those of others).

Those questions made the thread very enjoyable. :)
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well for me it WAS THE slander of the gospel that made me question the motives of the OP.

It's akin to these bogus ETs that travel all these light years to help us be all we can be...and then they go on warn us of the dangers of Jesus Christ.

Look there's no dishonor on our part...enough us us have been quick to throw down on RV threads to have vetted ourselves as real skeptics.

So this poster comes here makes introductions and gets a bye from the usual crowd because he's not preaching...he's just answering questions.

As the anxiety of Fergadishu was ramping up to the eruption point those guys entertained us with a pleasent diversion.

They were our dancing monkeys, after all don't most of us come here for fun?

I am grateful to them for ending the thread, which I learned here, because it was getting ponderous.
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Well, anything that is counter to the generally accepted Christian Dogma is going to rock the boat. I don't think they were intentionally targeting Christianity. I think they actually tried to avoid talking about it. The questioners demanded it.
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Alterwelt said Buddha and Jesus got it right. So, I asked a lot of questions about Jesus, etc:, just to see what he said. I was also watching the questions that were asked about Buddha and they asked good ones.

My goal was to get as much information out of them, as I could.

I had a tab, opened, that showed my buddy list so I always knew when he was online. When he was online, I hit the thread and stayed there until he left. I fired as much at him as I could. I knew we could read it all later.

I probably looked like a bibletard but I am far from it. I used to be one so I knew a lot to ask. And, you have to admit, there is a lot of things in scripture that bring up questions.
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Thanks! You further support my position that the RV Group did not target Jesus or Christianity. It was the questioners that pushed the agenda.

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They indicated Arthur was a local and not Roman.
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He was far, far more, than just a local, and no Legionary.

If 'remote viewing' successfully, then the scale of the story would have totally blown them away, and they would not have dropped the ball so significantly.

If you watch the interview with Alan Williams, you should see what I mean.

Bear in mind, Royal lineages were taken extremely seriously and they were meticulously documented.

To the point that even consummation of a Royal marriage had to be witnessed.
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They indicated Arthur was a local and not Roman.
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He was far, far more, than just a local, and no Legionary.

If 'remote viewing' successfully, then the scale of the story would have totally blown them away, and they would not have dropped the ball so significantly.

If you watch the interview with Alan Williams, you should see what I mean.

Bear in mind, Royal lineages were taken extremely seriously and they were meticulously documented.

To the point that even consummation of a Royal marriage had to be witnessed.
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We are talking about the 3/4th Century for the original Arthur; seems to me Arthur was a military leader with superior training and skills. At that time in history where better to gain such experience and training.
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Novgorod and Muscovites vied for control. If Novgorod would win Russia was to become a second United States eventually. If Moscow won, it would become an autocratic military state.

Pre-Tzarist Russia was a country which showed great promise in a great many areas, that mentality is alltogher gone by today.
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Hi U3.


Getting the King Arthur thing out of the way, there are solid written records of Kings and their descendants, and the 2nd King Arthur was about 6 generations removed and a descendant of the first one.

This was a Royal line, and not Roman Legion.

What Alan Williams and his colleague have uncovered, is a real eye opener in many areas of history.

Now as for Novgorod and Muscovites vying for control. Fundamentally, it would have made no difference who initially gained 'control'. The curse of humanity until John Locke in the 17th Century, was the inevitable power grab and descent into the lawless State.

It was only after John Locke proved the lie of the assumption of the despotic tyranny of Divine Right ("The Law is what 'we' say it is" - which defines the lawless State), that we were able to achieve the balanced Republic, which swept power out of reach (because nobody can be trusted with it) and into the arms of the Rule of Law.

When power is available to grab, it always end sup in the hands of the worst of the worst. Even benign dictators tend to get rapidly bumped off.

America's Founding Fathers benefited from John Locke's efforts.

If Russia was going to benefit from John Locke's work, it would have happened centuries later, after that work had been done, not centuries before.

Prior to John Locke, nobody knew how to sweep power off the table, after, there is no excuse for putting it or keeping it on the table.
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Hi AC039!

Thank you for all of this. I have that video saved. I'm really looking forward to watching it.

George B, how can we organize this material so we can insert this post and the link to the video with all the rest of the data we're gathering. I am feeling disorganized. :(
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If you are keeping a list.....
There's a whole page (pg115) where he answered questions not logged in too. He acknowledged the error and re-quoted the answers he had given to confirm they came from him.

It starts here:
Thread: Remote Viewing Ancient Civilizations - a compilation of data. (Page 115)

On an unrelated note:
Does anyone know what the following words mean?

Dopravna Zadspa Vmosku

Is it Slovenian?
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Ah, thank you. I did kind of want to keep a list. It's evidence, in case something comes up, lol!

I have no idea what language that is, but when I googled it, I got a thread here in a post from a Canadian. Maybe it's a name? Was it your post?
Thread: HUGE OBJECTS NEAR SUN!!!
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No it was not my post. I got the same google result. It was a 2011 post too.

I found it in the comments of a red karma vote Alterweld was given.


Click on Alterwelds karma button and you will see it.
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@ Canadian AC863, when I googled that name again, it came up with another spelling:

Dopravna Zadspa Vosku and it said it is Czech!
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Thank you!
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PS I meant to extend my thanks and add, I really enjoyed your questions U3 (as well as those of others).

Those questions made the thread very enjoyable. :)
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YW! Glad to hear it. I still have to read the thread. I was too busy trying to get information to absorb much.

Thank you for sharing about King Arthur. I'm looking forward to delving into it.

Oh and hang here on the thread, if you can. I think Alterwelt has brought together a great group that can combine our efforts.
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@ Canadian AC863, when I googled that name again, it came up with another spelling:

Dopravna Zadspa Vosku and it said it is Czech!
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Thank you!
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That helped.
I don't think it's siginifcant
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Ah, thank you. I did kind of want to keep a list. It's evidence, in case something comes up, lol!

I have no idea what language that is, but when I googled it, I got a thread here in a post from a Canadian. Maybe it's a name? Was it your post?
Thread: HUGE OBJECTS NEAR SUN!!!
 Quoting: U3


No it was not my post. I got the same google result. It was a 2011 post too.

I found it in the comments of a red karma vote Alterweld was given.


Click on Alterwelds karma button and you will see it.
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Ohhhhh, aren't you smart????? Are you sure you aren't a PI? LOL!
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@ Canadian AC863, when I googled that name again, it came up with another spelling:

Dopravna Zadspa Vosku and it said it is Czech!
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Thank you!
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That helped.
I don't think it's siginifcant
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Did you try the original spelling in a czech translator?
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@ Canadian AC863, when I googled that name again, it came up with another spelling:

Dopravna Zadspa Vosku and it said it is Czech!
 Quoting: U3


Thank you!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43915683


That helped.
I don't think it's siginifcant
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Did you try the original spelling in a czech translator?
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Is it possible our friends are not German or Polish but Czech?????
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They indicated Arthur was a local and not Roman.

Other Items of Interest not in Poll:

18) King Arthur was real.
Arthur was a centurion in the roman legions, drawn from the local population he established a small kingdom where he attempted to marry Christianity with Druidism.
Thread: Remote Viewing Ancient Civilizations - a compilation of data. (Page 70)
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How do you manage to edit?


Britain was made up of many small Kingdoms. But there was one overall King of Kings.

King Arthur was a King of Kings.

So maybe you can see what I am getting at? A genuine 'remote viewer' would be blown away by the reality of King Arthur, and wouldn't even begin to describe him as "a centurion in the roman legions" who just happened to be "drawn from the local population". We are looking at a double facepalm fail.

The history of Rome and Britain, is not what we have been so enthusiastically led to believe. What was presented to us as 'remote viewing' was just drawn from falsehoods, and regurgitated by a liar or liars.

There are even documented confirmations, such as Rome confirming that Britain was the very first Christian Nation, with the establishment of the Church within 50 years of the crucifixion.

As an aside, the rank of a Druid was displayed by the colours of his coat. The more colours, the higher the rank.

I am not aware of any grounds for conflict, between Druids and early Christians, that needed a 'marriage'.

Any grounds for conflict, arrived much later.

Best wishes to you all, hope to read more here soon.
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Novgorod and Muscovites vied for control. If Novgorod would win Russia was to become a second United States eventually. If Moscow won, it would become an autocratic military state.

Pre-Tzarist Russia was a country which showed great promise in a great many areas, that mentality is alltogher gone by today.
Alterwelt
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Hi U3.


Getting the King Arthur thing out of the way, there are solid written records of Kings and their descendants, and the 2nd King Arthur was about 6 generations removed and a descendant of the first one.

This was a Royal line, and not Roman Legion.

What Alan Williams and his colleague have uncovered, is a real eye opener in many areas of history.

Now as for Novgorod and Muscovites vying for control. Fundamentally, it would have made no difference who initially gained 'control'. The curse of humanity until John Locke in the 17th Century, was the inevitable power grab and descent into the lawless State.

It was only after John Locke proved the lie of the assumption of the despotic tyranny of Divine Right ("The Law is what 'we' say it is" - which defines the lawless State), that we were able to achieve the balanced Republic, which swept power out of reach (because nobody can be trusted with it) and into the arms of the Rule of Law.

When power is available to grab, it always end sup in the hands of the worst of the worst. Even benign dictators tend to get rapidly bumped off.

America's Founding Fathers benefited from John Locke's efforts.

If Russia was going to benefit from John Locke's work, it would have happened centuries later, after that work had been done, not centuries before.

Prior to John Locke, nobody knew how to sweep power off the table, after, there is no excuse for putting it or keeping it on the table.
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Hi AC039!

Thank you for all of this. I have that video saved. I'm really looking forward to watching it.

George B, how can we organize this material so we can insert this post and the link to the video with all the rest of the data we're gathering. I am feeling disorganized. :(
 Quoting: U3


This is a most difficult issue. How to organize the original factoids from the RV group, and attach the research, findings, videos, etc to them. One suggestion is the new Thread I just started. Give each RV factoid a number we will continue to use from now on. Then attach that number to any research, videos, links, etc to that number. For example #1 is Orbiting Rail Guns, and so forth. Thread: Remote Viewing Ancient Civilizations - a compilation of data, a Topical Index to Alterwelt's Alternate History

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I think one of the main lies of the thread was in the very beginning. These guys weren't "Remote Viewing" as you think they were. I don't think they were utilizing some "trance" like state to view history while under hypnosis or anything like that. They were "remotely" viewing a database of papers, documents, pictures, etc. Some of them might have been more knowledgeable in certain areas and did not have to dig very much for answers.

If you can figure out what corporate, scientific, governmental or historical entity would PROFIT from collecting and maintaining this knowledge base, you will then find our truthing pranksters whereabouts. You need to somewhat figure out who signs their paychecks.

My first clue is the Smithsonian. They have the goods or at least did have them. We need to figure out who had the money and they necessity to steal a lot of information back in the '40s and prior.

My guess? Germany. Their search for arcane knowledge could have provided some movie worthy espionage to pull these things out of the American Smithsonian Archives.

Who else has "Smithsonianesque" facilities world wide? I'm not that familiar with other countries.

There should be newspaper clippings, etc. of antiquities being stolen besides just the ones from the Smithsonian.

Now that we are in the computer age, it should be easy to take most of the information collected and put it into a searchable database.
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Well, they did say we would call it remote viewing and that's the nearest thing we would understand as to what they actually were doing.

I remember at one time while reading the thread, thinking they could have started out as remote viewers and then discovering something.

I never thought about them viewing documents. Good point!!!

I would love to figure out who signs their paychecks but I can't even figure out which country they are actually from.

I can't remember which archeologist I was reading at the time, but he said many museums suppress what they have and don't want people to know about it. He also said some of them don't even know what they have. That he had gone searching and found things stuck in forgotten corners in museums.
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Thank you!
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That helped.
I don't think it's siginifcant
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Did you try the original spelling in a czech translator?
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Is it possible our friends are not German or Polish but Czech?????
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Good point! I also thought when Alterwelt didn't log in and posted, that he sounded very American!!!!!
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Novgorod and Muscovites vied for control. If Novgorod would win Russia was to become a second United States eventually. If Moscow won, it would become an autocratic military state.

Pre-Tzarist Russia was a country which showed great promise in a great many areas, that mentality is alltogher gone by today.
Alterwelt
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Hi U3.


Getting the King Arthur thing out of the way, there are solid written records of Kings and their descendants, and the 2nd King Arthur was about 6 generations removed and a descendant of the first one.

This was a Royal line, and not Roman Legion.

What Alan Williams and his colleague have uncovered, is a real eye opener in many areas of history.

Now as for Novgorod and Muscovites vying for control. Fundamentally, it would have made no difference who initially gained 'control'. The curse of humanity until John Locke in the 17th Century, was the inevitable power grab and descent into the lawless State.

It was only after John Locke proved the lie of the assumption of the despotic tyranny of Divine Right ("The Law is what 'we' say it is" - which defines the lawless State), that we were able to achieve the balanced Republic, which swept power out of reach (because nobody can be trusted with it) and into the arms of the Rule of Law.

When power is available to grab, it always end sup in the hands of the worst of the worst. Even benign dictators tend to get rapidly bumped off.

America's Founding Fathers benefited from John Locke's efforts.

If Russia was going to benefit from John Locke's work, it would have happened centuries later, after that work had been done, not centuries before.

Prior to John Locke, nobody knew how to sweep power off the table, after, there is no excuse for putting it or keeping it on the table.
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Hi AC039!

Thank you for all of this. I have that video saved. I'm really looking forward to watching it.

George B, how can we organize this material so we can insert this post and the link to the video with all the rest of the data we're gathering. I am feeling disorganized. :(
 Quoting: U3


This is a most difficult issue. How to organize the original factoids from the RV group, and attach the research, findings, videos, etc to them. One suggestion is the new Thread I just started. Give each RV factoid a number we will continue to use from now on. Then attach that number to any research, videos, links, etc to that number. For example #1 is Orbiting Rail Guns, and so forth. Thread: Remote Viewing Ancient Civilizations - a compilation of data, a Topical Index to Alterwelt's Alternate History
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I salute you for having an idea how to organize it. I save stuff and put it in files, but even then, it's hard to know which file to put some things in.

I'll check out the link. Thanks!
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That helped.
I don't think it's siginifcant
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Did you try the original spelling in a czech translator?
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Is it possible our friends are not German or Polish but Czech?????
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Good point! I also thought when Alterwelt didn't log in and posted, that he sounded very American!!!!!
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Yes, I am sure they are very careful to cover their steps. This speaks to me of excellent organization and technical resources. Far beyond most part-time Trolls in their parents basement.
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Did you try the original spelling in a czech translator?
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Is it possible our friends are not German or Polish but Czech?????
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Good point! I also thought when Alterwelt didn't log in and posted, that he sounded very American!!!!!
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Yes, I am sure they are very careful to cover their steps. This speaks to me of excellent organization and technical resources. Far beyond most part-time Trolls in their parents basement.
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Good point!
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It is unwise to underestimate these people. The abruptness of Alterwelt's cease in activity is by far one of the cleverest tricks to employ if Alterwelt was indeed a troll. After such heavy investment in the thread, it seemed strange that they would just quit. People speculated that if Alterwelt was indeed a troll, then he/they would have stuck around to enjoy the spoils of the trolling. Viewers would receive closure, and the thread would fade away from our thoughts and become a memory of some very entertaining reading. But look at where we are now: people are speculating Alter's intentions, backtracking through the thread and info, debating the truthfulness of things said, etc etc. Consider this: as more questions get answered, more variables come into play regarding consistency and overall value of the thread. If Alterwelt was indeed exhausting their creativity/energy/whatever and wanted to get extra mileage on the trolling, then how to do it? By ending the thread the way they did. It was so sloppy and poorly executed on the surface that people refused to believe it. IF Alterwelt was indeed trolling as they say, then that was a fantastic way to end it. Food for thought.
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It is unwise to underestimate these people. The abruptness of Alterwelt's cease in activity is by far one of the cleverest tricks to employ if Alterwelt was indeed a troll. After such heavy investment in the thread, it seemed strange that they would just quit. People speculated that if Alterwelt was indeed a troll, then he/they would have stuck around to enjoy the spoils of the trolling. Viewers would receive closure, and the thread would fade away from our thoughts and become a memory of some very entertaining reading. But look at where we are now: people are speculating Alter's intentions, backtracking through the thread and info, debating the truthfulness of things said, etc etc. Consider this: as more questions get answered, more variables come into play regarding consistency and overall value of the thread. If Alterwelt was indeed exhausting their creativity/energy/whatever and wanted to get extra mileage on the trolling, then how to do it? By ending the thread the way they did. It was so sloppy and poorly executed on the surface that people refused to believe it. IF Alterwelt was indeed trolling as they say, then that was a fantastic way to end it. Food for thought.
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Interesting thoughts! They abruptly ended all their Threads. Me thinks they are somewhat impatient, arrogant and treat GLP participants like something akin to lab rats or at least like naive inquisitive children. However, if I knew what they think they know, I might act even worse! scheming

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I recall a while back I was going through the usual ilk of GLP and came across a thread that spoke of GLP hosting "the two witnesses." For those of you unfamiliar with the concept, the two witnesses are seemingly two prophets of God that have "authority of prophecy" (as quoted on wiki). This is found in the Book of Revelations, which is a part of the New Testament (which Alterwelt said was still valuable despite being tainted).

Now consider, just for fun... if that claim that the two witnesses would be on GLP had ANY real worth, then would it be related to what transpired here over the past two weeks? Are the witnesses Alterwelt and co? Are the witnesses people who read/participated in the thread? Again, this speculation is asking one to take a gigantic leap of both faith and imagination. But it is indeed something fun to ponder if you have nothing else you'd rather devote your neuronal faculties to.
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the remote viewing stuff is cool, some of Ingo Swann stuff on his website is very interesting, as are some of his lectures on youtube but after watching all of them, reading his entire site and a couple of his books, i couldnt find any reason to think he was any more gifted than miss cleo...

and Hal Puthoff was also one of the SRI remote viewing guys and he later got heavily involved in scientology and claimed thats where he got his "remote viewing" abilities...
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I recall a while back I was going through the usual ilk of GLP and came across a thread that spoke of GLP hosting "the two witnesses." For those of you unfamiliar with the concept, the two witnesses are seemingly two prophets of God that have "authority of prophecy" (as quoted on wiki). This is found in the Book of Revelations, which is a part of the New Testament (which Alterwelt said was still valuable despite being tainted).

Now consider, just for fun... if that claim that the two witnesses would be on GLP had ANY real worth, then would it be related to what transpired here over the past two weeks? Are the witnesses Alterwelt and co? Are the witnesses people who read/participated in the thread? Again, this speculation is asking one to take a gigantic leap of both faith and imagination. But it is indeed something fun to ponder if you have nothing else you'd rather devote your neuronal faculties to.
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No, I don't think we are anything out of Revelation. Sorry, I think we are very insignificant and a tiny speck in a sea of 7 Billion sentient beings.
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the remote viewing stuff is cool, some of Ingo Swann stuff on his website is very interesting, as are some of his lectures on youtube but after watching all of them, reading his entire site and a couple of his books, i couldnt find any reason to think he was any more gifted than miss cleo...

and Hal Puthoff was also one of the SRI remote viewing guys and he later got heavily involved in scientology and claimed thats where he got his "remote viewing" abilities...
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Hmmmmm . . . don't think this group is anything but possibly some Archeologists, Historians, Museum Geeks and Treasure Hunters that struck it rich, are bored and want to play with what they think they know.
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I recall a while back I was going through the usual ilk of GLP and came across a thread that spoke of GLP hosting "the two witnesses." For those of you unfamiliar with the concept, the two witnesses are seemingly two prophets of God that have "authority of prophecy" (as quoted on wiki). This is found in the Book of Revelations, which is a part of the New Testament (which Alterwelt said was still valuable despite being tainted).

Now consider, just for fun... if that claim that the two witnesses would be on GLP had ANY real worth, then would it be related to what transpired here over the past two weeks? Are the witnesses Alterwelt and co? Are the witnesses people who read/participated in the thread? Again, this speculation is asking one to take a gigantic leap of both faith and imagination. But it is indeed something fun to ponder if you have nothing else you'd rather devote your neuronal faculties to.
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No, I don't think we are anything out of Revelation. Sorry, I think we are very insignificant and a tiny speck in a sea of 7 Billion sentient beings.
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I'm leaning towards Alter and co being slightly more significant than that. Assuming what they said is true, then what purpose is there for them sharing the info? Rather - what can we do with this info? Is there any way that humanity can benefit from it? Of course, this is all contingent on Alter and co not being incredibly clever internet trolls and are actually the real deal.
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I recall a while back I was going through the usual ilk of GLP and came across a thread that spoke of GLP hosting "the two witnesses." For those of you unfamiliar with the concept, the two witnesses are seemingly two prophets of God that have "authority of prophecy" (as quoted on wiki). This is found in the Book of Revelations, which is a part of the New Testament (which Alterwelt said was still valuable despite being tainted).

Now consider, just for fun... if that claim that the two witnesses would be on GLP had ANY real worth, then would it be related to what transpired here over the past two weeks? Are the witnesses Alterwelt and co? Are the witnesses people who read/participated in the thread? Again, this speculation is asking one to take a gigantic leap of both faith and imagination. But it is indeed something fun to ponder if you have nothing else you'd rather devote your neuronal faculties to.
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No, I don't think we are anything out of Revelation. Sorry, I think we are very insignificant and a tiny speck in a sea of 7 Billion sentient beings.
 Quoting: George B


I'm leaning towards Alter and co being slightly more significant than that. Assuming what they said is true, then what purpose is there for them sharing the info? Rather - what can we do with this info? Is there any way that humanity can benefit from it? Of course, this is all contingent on Alter and co not being incredibly clever internet trolls and are actually the real deal.
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I think you are giving them too much credit too soon! We need to continue to research, validate and debunk their Factoids. Just because a coral snake is beautiful doesn't mean you should be careless around it!
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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Agreed. I am still leaning towards them being clever trolls or part of something more sinister. Just saying that if the info is indeed true then there are many possibilities for what could be done with it. As mentioned earlier, Alter definitely succeeded in bringing a group of people together. Many of us are interested in conducting a dialogue. Many more are lurkers who hopefully will share their thoughts as the dialogue continues.
I recall a while back I was going through the usual ilk of GLP and came across a thread that spoke of GLP hosting "the two witnesses." For those of you unfamiliar with the concept, the two witnesses are seemingly two prophets of God that have "authority of prophecy" (as quoted on wiki). This is found in the Book of Revelations, which is a part of the New Testament (which Alterwelt said was still valuable despite being tainted).

Now consider, just for fun... if that claim that the two witnesses would be on GLP had ANY real worth, then would it be related to what transpired here over the past two weeks? Are the witnesses Alterwelt and co? Are the witnesses people who read/participated in the thread? Again, this speculation is asking one to take a gigantic leap of both faith and imagination. But it is indeed something fun to ponder if you have nothing else you'd rather devote your neuronal faculties to.
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No, I don't think we are anything out of Revelation. Sorry, I think we are very insignificant and a tiny speck in a sea of 7 Billion sentient beings.
 Quoting: George B


I'm leaning towards Alter and co being slightly more significant than that. Assuming what they said is true, then what purpose is there for them sharing the info? Rather - what can we do with this info? Is there any way that humanity can benefit from it? Of course, this is all contingent on Alter and co not being incredibly clever internet trolls and are actually the real deal.
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I think you are giving them too much credit too soon! We need to continue to research, validate and debunk their Factoids. Just because a coral snake is beautiful doesn't mean you should be careless around it!
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Re: Is "Remote Viewing Ancient Civilizations - a compilation of data. Is Alterwelt's Alternate History Real or Hoax?
I recall a while back I was going through the usual ilk of GLP and came across a thread that spoke of GLP hosting "the two witnesses." For those of you unfamiliar with the concept, the two witnesses are seemingly two prophets of God that have "authority of prophecy" (as quoted on wiki). This is found in the Book of Revelations, which is a part of the New Testament (which Alterwelt said was still valuable despite being tainted).

Now consider, just for fun... if that claim that the two witnesses would be on GLP had ANY real worth, then would it be related to what transpired here over the past two weeks? Are the witnesses Alterwelt and co? Are the witnesses people who read/participated in the thread? Again, this speculation is asking one to take a gigantic leap of both faith and imagination. But it is indeed something fun to ponder if you have nothing else you'd rather devote your neuronal faculties to.
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No, I don't think we are anything out of Revelation. Sorry, I think we are very insignificant and a tiny speck in a sea of 7 Billion sentient beings.
 Quoting: George B


I'm leaning towards Alter and co being slightly more significant than that. Assuming what they said is true, then what purpose is there for them sharing the info? Rather - what can we do with this info? Is there any way that humanity can benefit from it? Of course, this is all contingent on Alter and co not being incredibly clever internet trolls and are actually the real deal.
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People have already admitted it opened their mind, myself included. Whether that was Alter's purpose, I don't know.

If you had scads of data that you knew people wanted, wouldn't you be tempted to get it out to them in some way? I always thought if I were a scientist and knew stuff, I'd write Scfy, to get it out there. Truth hidden in plain sight.
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Re: Is "Remote Viewing Ancient Civilizations - a compilation of data. Is Alterwelt's Alternate History Real or Hoax?
Memes and triggering is what I'm curious about. Knowledge of neurolinguistic programming could be quite beneficial to assessing Alterwelt's content if they were part of an experiment/something not so benign to the GLPers





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