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Interesting piece of sci-fi, for now.
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Yes it is . . . so was "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" by Jules Verne.
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I'm sure you meant "Twenty Thousand Leagues Under The Sea".

Great book!
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btw you have an incredible amount of info here.

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Interesting piece of sci-fi, for now.
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Yes it is . . . so was "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" by Jules Verne.
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I'm sure you meant "Twenty Thousand Leagues Under The Sea".

Great book!
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btw you have an incredible amount of info here.

Nice collection!
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Have you reviewed the work of Dr. Bruce Goldberg?

You want a smoking gun?

He remote views his patients and many have confirmed time traveling humans from our own future were instrumental in the former civilizations on Earth.

This is a key element, and it's proven by Carl Munck, since he shows that the pyramid/structure geo-matrix is in feet and inches.

Standard measurement did not exist at the time the earth matrix was built, so there is only one possibility, unless something even stranger is true: our future selves, still using standard measurement, had to be the ones who built that matrix.

I really wish people would start realizing this connection.
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Have you reviewed the work of Dr. Bruce Goldberg?

You want a smoking gun?

He remote views his patients and many have confirmed time traveling humans from our own future were instrumental in the former civilizations on Earth.

This is a key element, and it's proven by Carl Munck, since he shows that the pyramid/structure geo-matrix is in feet and inches.

Standard measurement did not exist at the time the earth matrix was built, so there is only one possibility, unless something even stranger is true: our future selves, still using standard measurement, had to be the ones who built that matrix.

I really wish people would start realizing this connection.
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Have you reviewed the work of Dr. Bruce Goldberg?

You want a smoking gun?

He remote views his patients and many have confirmed time traveling humans from our own future were instrumental in the former civilizations on Earth.

This is a key element, and it's proven by Carl Munck, since he shows that the pyramid/structure geo-matrix is in feet and inches.

Standard measurement did not exist at the time the earth matrix was built, so there is only one possibility, unless something even stranger is true: our future selves, still using standard measurement, had to be the ones who built that matrix.

I really wish people would start realizing this connection.
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Do you have any links?
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Carl Munck's "The Code" and Bruce Goldberg 'future humans' in a youtube search will get you there.

It's the point of no return.

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Have you reviewed the work of Dr. Bruce Goldberg?

You want a smoking gun?

He remote views his patients and many have confirmed time traveling humans from our own future were instrumental in the former civilizations on Earth.

This is a key element, and it's proven by Carl Munck, since he shows that the pyramid/structure geo-matrix is in feet and inches.

Standard measurement did not exist at the time the earth matrix was built, so there is only one possibility, unless something even stranger is true: our future selves, still using standard measurement, had to be the ones who built that matrix.

I really wish people would start realizing this connection.
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Do you have any links?
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Carl Munck's "The Code" and Bruce Goldberg 'future humans' in a youtube search will get you there.

It's the point of no return.

Namaste.
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Sources:


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Thread: Ask me anything about Atlantis
Thread: Ancient archeology - remote viewing/ask us anything
Thread: Remote Viewing Ancient Civilizations - a compilation of data.
Thread: Is "Remote Viewing Ancient Civilizations - a compilation of data. Is Alterwelt's Alternate History Real or Hoax?
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Similar Sources not from RV Group:
Thread: The Secret of Secrets - Tunnels in Bucegi mountains displaying our true history discovered in 2003?
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Historical Resource on Atlantis:

Atlantis: The Antediluvian World by Ignatius Donnelly

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So human history started 150,000 years ago with 3 civilizations achieving high technology on a global scale.

Before the first human civ, there were many different races evolved and attained a civilized status. They were tall, slender, bipedal and apparently attractive to our standards. They evolved from mammals like us but had a much different genetic makeup. Their subconscious and conscious were melded together resulting in them thinking much differently than us.

In their day to day lives they were mainly motivated by a deep intuitive process. People just “knew” when they met their spouse, when it was time for a vacation, as well as finding their role in society. People spent much less time thinking and more time just being.

They had love, humor, art and music but these were all coming from their subconscious minds. It's difficult to explain. Suffice to say that we developed logical faculties, creativity and imagination to deal with being severed from a subconscious reservoirs of knowledge which they had been connected to. This was both their strength and their weakness.

Another group of species were short and gave rise to the hobbits and dwarves of legend. Others were completely alien in their way of thinking. All were aware that humanity would inherit this world and were more or less hostile towards man.

Mankind is a species that was most suited to survival which is why we're still around and they're not. Their level of development was varied but they had a common trait which was a low birthrate. Such a disadvantage eliminates a species in times of hardship. During both the first high periods there were multiple species of human. It’s our high birth rate and survivor traits that led to our current reign on earth. See this Thread below for the rest of the Narrative:

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The first civilization centered in a region in Antarctica (once warm) began 150,000 years ago and ended 50,000 years ago by a comet exploding in our atmosphere which caused a global firestorm, destabilizing our planets geology . They reduced the threat from global extinction to mass dying by destroying it high in the atmosphere, if impact was made only bacteria would have survived. The remnants of this impact are evident in a layer of ash in India, the comet exploded directly above this continent.

The ozone layer was much thicker letting less radiation in. This resulted in overall larger size of animal life, longer lifespans and healthier bodies. These people were also the first iteration of mankind, not yet damaged by genetic modification, harsh climate and aided by advanced technology, all of this provided them with a much higher quality of life and physical endurance.
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The second civilization, much closer to ours both in technology and lifestyle, began 42,000 years ago which destroyed itself in a global war some 32.000 years ago.

:Space War:

The rise of the second civilization began as an empire from the Atlantic region what we call Atlantis the local’s called Anamash.
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During the second high period of civilization they built in a style we could recognize, high towers of glass as high as our skyscrapers, in some cases higher built with alloy and white stone with bases of carved granite. United States is notable for some attempt to recreate an old style by groups that fancy themselves inheritors of the old ways. Solar power, magnetic propulsion, artificially grown crystalline hardware were commonplace.

They also had sports, performances, digital conveniences, dance, reading, sex, drugs, travel, meditation.

One major difference was that most energy was renewable and what consumable fuel existed was significantly more efficient than ours. During the later iterations of civilization much technology was lost but the appliances to carve and transport stone were retained due to simple means required. A principle of magnetism as opposed to gravity. An electrically driven device that interacts directly with forces generated by the earth’s magnetic core to nullify them and create an effective repulsion pillow below any chosen object or item. Using this same technology almost all travel was aerial.


The first 10 years of life were spent at home. Next 20 years in an equivalent of our schools. For the next 10 years a young citizen was expected to travel. At 40 he would return and choose a specific vocation in which he was then expected to learn for another 20 years. At 60 he was considered a young adult ready to live on his own, was given full citizen privileges. A person could choose a different vocation every 20 years or at any other time, changing professions at will was frowned upon but not barred.
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One side (Atlantis) believed in an enslavement of all minor human species to use them as tools (Atlantis). Gene splicing and other methods were used to strip people of their consciousness and reduce them to biological automatons. The other did not (Asia). Both sides consisted of major nations and minor allies with imperial ambitions. Atlantis’s desire to dominate led to conflict. The inability to break the stalemate led to the use of weapons of mass destruction and a mutually assured destruction scenario. Atlantis had allies who lived on the plains of western Europe around British isles - today flooded, people who lived on and around Cuba and in the Americas. On the other side were the nations and states that inhabited areas of today's Indo-China including the portions of land now submerged, large part of Africa and Mediterranean as well as parts of today's Black Sea coast.

They used weapons of mass destruction, kinetic and energy in nature. Pellets and pebbles - orbital launch high density kinetic projectiles. A pellet inch across had the density that provided it with a mass of a small asteroid. The projectile was suspended in a magnetic field and accelerated via a rail. Fusion warheads, high yield nuclear weapons, magnetically contained pressurized plasma charges. Spikes - a similar technology to pellets and pebbles designed to bury itself miles underground and destroy a large portion of crust. They ended up destabilized the geology of the planet and poisoned the ecosystem for a long period of time, the loss of life and infrastructure was such that survivors reverted to stone age levels.


The final destruction was caused by a rapid submerging of the final remnant of Atlantis some 12,300 years ago. It was approximately the size of Scotland (located off coast of Africa). Its rapid submergence caused a tsunami over three thousand feet high. The result was the inundation of the coastlines as deep as a hundred miles inwards. Massive floods and torrential rains that lasted for weeks in many regions of the world. This caused a change in sea currents, Gulf Stream and an extremely rapid melting of the glacial sheets, the result is heavily dramatized in the Bible as 40 days and nights of rain. Many people survived using boats and ships but clearly the entire globe was not inundated
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65) Why is the evidence of Advanced Ancient civilization so rare and difficult to find . . . this might help explain . . .

:AInertia:

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Why is the undeniable evidence of the Alterwelt's New History so lacking:

1) Academia protecting its status and funding

2) Fear of destabilizing religion and economies, etc

3) ancient wars and time either destroyed or buried most of it . . .

4) inundation and tectonic destabilization removed most from discovery.

5) suppression by governments, corporations and individuals wishing to capitalize on reverse engineering before others compete.

6) unearth evidence ignored as modern but older useless junk, or simply suppressed to prevent construction schedules, budget concerns or to prevent interference from authorities or special interest groups.

7) Political embarrassment as in the one racial groups claim of ultimate ownership over another of territory or heritage, etc.

8) fear of dangerous technology being released without understanding ultimate consequences . . .

9) Inertia . . . once theoretical positions become embedded in science, academic circles, business, economic , religion and engineering practices the resistance against or the debt (energy required) to advocate and validate new truth becomes enormous. So enormous, in fact, people would rather accept the status quo and succeed than fight the battle for change and be ostracized. . . losing everything

10) To announce a "new history" and attain a critical mass of acceptance, and maintain that acceptance of such a fundamental reversal of both mainline and conspiracy cultures "historical concepts" is not likely. So why try? Just go to some fringe outlet and give it a shot, see what the reaction is! So that may really be all you can hope to gain without losing your credibility and your job.

11) To overcome the forces listed above one would have to gather a group (several) highly regarded individuals from their appropriate targeted respective fields, arming them with credible and irrefutable evidence that could not somehow disappear or be invalidated. They would have to sustain a media blitz that was viewed by the educated and not so educated of the world

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Why the secrecy?


Atlanteans and antediluvial people in general held beliefs and worldviews that directly conflict with worlds major religions, the very fact that humanity scaled the ladder of civilization in times when its supposed to be people with stones and sticks is in conflict with academia who built their career on a different thesis, the regression of humanity could mess up the theory of evolution, the fact that races and nations stem from a unified source would hurt various nationalist movements.

There's lots of power and money that could and would be lost if such discoveries did alter humanity's perception of itself.

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If there is smoking guns why keep them a secret?

At this point politicians, businessmen and academia created a certain stable reality in which they can hold on to their power and generate their revenue, discoveries that can alter the very nature of human perception of the world and destroy that stable enviroment are no longer welcome.
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Post: #15

I'd like to know, OP, how you are able to answer all these questions.

Where have you, or how have you, gained your knowledge on the subject?


Lots of luck, right people met at right moments and a good trading position in exchange for limited access, thats all you're getting.

Or not, a usefull hint would be that no information is ever destroyed, its stored, controlled but never obliterated, that means that there are people who handle it even at lower levels and no matter how tight a ship you run where there's people there's leaks.

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Sorry but I got to call BS on that, there are thousands of scientists that would give their left nut to prove there was an Atlantis, anyone with that opportunity would not go silent.

Thats true, the issue here are not just scientists but the scientists who hold a conrolling share in academia as such, these people are not interested in the truth.

Smithsonian for example is notorious for "misplacing" artifacts and they're by far not the only ones, there's an entire industry grown around concealing everything out of line with nominal history.

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Many people believe that the sinking of Atlantis coincided

I do not look up to anyone because there are no mainstream or new age related researchers who could be considered experts. Zahir Hawass as well as all the directors of Smithsonian are absolutely scholarly in their knowledge of antediluvian times but you wont find any of them talking, ever.
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I notice that a lot of museums don't even have real artifacts. They only display fakes sighting theft as their reasoning. I suppose free energy is the other smoking gun?

Tesla was privy to one of the time capsules left somewhere in Hungary or Ukraine, using information contained there he retro-engineered the Tesla Coil just like the owner of Coral Castle built simple magnetic gravity manipulator based off the same hall of records.

Tesla was stopped, Scallman was smart enough to be secretive.

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Alterwelt's Civilization 32,000 years ago, just before the global war . . .

ACivilization
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Ancient Sunset

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Orbital Habitat

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A proposed question for Alterwelt:

Your Group has indicated there are the remains of an ancient human research facility on the near side of the moon. You indicated it was in the northern mountains just above the Sea of Tranquility. The Apollo 11 (first modern moon walk) landing site was way south of that position.

Update on . . . 62) Large Ancient Facility on Northern Edge of the Sea of Tranquility?, Click on Letter Icon Below:

All facilities are located in the northern edge of Sea of Tranquility and within the surrounding mountains. There exist at least one large scale facility and dozens smaller ones. All of them have been mapped and photographed, only one was actually accessed.

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1) Are there any images of the facility (Near the Sea of Tranquility) that we might discovere?

:Apollo 11:

2) What about the Zeeman Crater on the south polar region on the Far Side of the Moon? Was there any Ancient Human activity there?

NOZeeman2

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Thank you Alatloc for your answer.
What can you tell us about the moon?
Was it always there?
Because there are theories that say it has been 'put' there.
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I'm sorry i have no idea about the moons origin. I'm into archeology and while i can take us back approximately 150.000 years thats about it.

What i can tell you about the moon is that there was an extensive research facility built there approximately 32.000 years ago and abandoned before the war of 30.000 B.C.

Descriptions of it are vague but it seems to have been an international effort and was abandoned long before the war due to the sides who administrated it becoming enemies.

The site had a name and a rough translation was "The Palace of Cold" - presumably due to the temperature on the moon and its quite possible that its still there, what descriptions exist describe it as a vast facility spanning many square miles, its centre was a massive glass tower three quarters of a mile high.

Now thats a description, personally i doubt the tower was actually made of glass, rather some alloy that looked like it but then again it was chronicled thousands of years after the war by a significantly more primitive peoples.
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Another proposed question for Alterwelt:

1) When NASA slammed a piece of space junk into the moon to evaluate the presence of water on the Moon was this an attempt to destroy some artifact or technology on the moon?

2) If so what was the site?

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:Moon Picture Com:

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Water ice makes up about 5.6 percent of the total mass on the floor of Cabeus — making the crater about twice as wet as Sahara Desert soil, according to LCROSS mission principal investigator Tony Colaprete.

"That is a surprise," said Colaprete, who works at NASA's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, Calif. "And it has a lot of ramifications in terms of our understanding of water and other volatiles on the moon."
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The Mission Objectives of the Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite (LCROSS) include confirming the presence or absence of water ice in a permanently shadowed crater at the Moon’s South Pole. The identification of water is very important to the future of human activities on the Moon. LCROSS excavated the permanently dark floor of one of the Moon’s polar craters (Cabeus) in 2009 to test the theory that ancient ice lies buried there. The impact ejected material from the crater’s floor to create a plume that specialized instruments have been able to analyze for the presence of water (ice and vapor), hydrocarbons and hydrated materials.

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Proposed Question about UFOs . . .

1) Are these human craft operating near the Sea of Tranquility on the Moon?

2) Are these blips in the screen capture below the odd ET observers that sometime watch human activity but don't interfere?


3) or are they most likely one of the following:
a. Birds
b. Bats
c. Bugs
d. Electronic interference
e. Objects added by hoaxer on the video


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:ZoomUFO:
In the following YouTube . . . at the 3:32-33 minute mark there are (bogies, UFOs, etc) dark objects quickly crossing from right to left over through the telescope image over the Sea of Tranquility on the near side of the Moon . . .


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Presumably aliens exist. We never focused on them and yes, our history was not at any point influenced by any extraterrestrial beings.
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Light flash phenomenon

Main article: Cosmic ray visual phenomena

Throughout the Apollo lunar missions, the crew members observed light flashes that penetrated closed eyelids. These flashes, described as "streaks" or "specks" of light, were usually observed by astronauts while the spacecraft was darkened during a sleep period. These flashes, while not observed on the lunar surface, would average about two per minute and were observed by the crew members during the trip out to the Moon, back to Earth, and in lunar orbit.[18]

The Apollo 17 crew conducted an experiment, also conducted on Apollo 16, with the objective of linking these light flashes with cosmic rays. As part of an experiment conducted by NASA and the University of Houston, one astronaut wore a device that recorded the time, strength, and path of high-energy atomic particles that penetrated the device. Analysis of the results concluded that the evidence supported the hypothesis that the flashes occurred when charged particles travelled through the retina in the eye.[18][19]


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Alterwelt,

Question: when the pellets were used in the global war 32,000 years ago (manufactured from small asteroids) . . . should we not find iridium in larger quantities from that era as well?


Iridium is more concentrated in asteroids than in the earth crusts on average and is therefore found in abundance in the PK boundary between the Cretaceous and Paleocene. When an asteroid supposedly collided with earth 66 million years ago . . . causing worldwide extinction of non-avian dinosaurs. . . would we not expect the pellets used in the global war 32,000 years ago (manufactured from small asteroids) . . . to result also in higher iridium concentrations in geologic deposits from that era to including ice cores as well?
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The age of the rocks marked by the impact shows that this impact structure dates from roughly 66 million years ago, the end of the Cretaceous period, and the start of the Paleogene period. It coincides with the K-Pg boundary, the geological boundary between the Cretaceous and Paleocene. The impact associated with the crater is thus implicated in the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event, including the worldwide extinction of non-avian dinosaurs. This conclusion has been the source of controversy. In March 2010, 41 experts from many countries reviewed the available evidence: 20 years' worth of data spanning a variety of fields. They concluded that the impact at Chicxulub triggered the mass extinctions at the K–Pg boundary.[5][6]

At the same time, scientist Luis Walter Alvarez put forth his hypothesis that a large extraterrestrial body had struck Earth and, unaware of Penfield's discovery, in 1981 University of Arizona graduate student Alan R. Hildebrand and faculty adviser William V. Boynton published a draft Earth-impact theory and sought a candidate crater.[12] Their evidence included greenish-brown clay with surplus iridium containing shocked quartz grains and small weathered glass beads that looked to be tektites.[13] Thick, jumbled deposits of coarse rock fragments were also present, thought to have been scoured from one place and deposited elsewhere by a kilometres-high tsunami resulting from an Earth impact.[14] Such deposits occur in many locations but seem concentrated in the Caribbean basin at the K–Pg boundary.[14] So when Haitian professor Florentine Morás discovered what he thought to be evidence of an ancient volcano on Haiti, Hildebrand suggested it could be a telltale feature of a nearby impact.[15] Tests on samples retrieved from the K–Pg boundary revealed more tektite glass, formed only in the heat of asteroid impacts and high-yield nuclear detonations.[15]

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Younger Dryas impact hypothesis

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A supernova occurred about 160 pc from the Earth according to Firestone 2014, ApJ, 789, 29, based on an analysis of of the terrestrial radiocarbon (14C) and beryllium (10Be) records, and the increase in nitrate accumulation in the East Antarctic icesheet, caused by supernova-related gamma rays and cosmic rays. This supernova was the second most recent, nearby (<~ 300 pc) one that has occurred.


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A nuclear catastrophe can reset a group of unrelated artifacts to a common younger date, creating gaps and false episodes in the fossil record. Geographical variation and complicated overburdens may further confuse the interpretation. Scrutiny of Paleoindian artifacts and the North American paleolandscape, associated stratigraphic sediments, coupled with continued radiological investigations, may provide more evidence for the cosmic catastrophe and new clues to the origin of Paleoindians.
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10Be and its daughter product have been used to examine soil erosion, soil formation from regolith, the development of lateritic soils and the age of ice cores.[2] It is also formed in nuclear explosions by a reaction of fast neutrons with 13C in the carbon dioxide in air, and is one of the historical indicators of past activity at nuclear test sites.
10Be and its daughter product have been used to examine soil erosion, soil formation from regolith, the development of lateritic soils and the age of ice cores.[2] It is also formed in nuclear explosions by a reaction of fast neutrons with 13C in the carbon dioxide in air, and is one of the historical indicators of past activity at nuclear test sites.

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Iridium not tested for in lake sediment:

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One such isotope is Beryllium-10 (10Be), which can be extracted from ice cores and measured to provide an accurate indication of cosmic ray activity in the upper atmosphere. It shows that over the past 100,000 years, there have been three periods when the cosmic ray flux has increased dramatically. The first was around c. 60,000-70,000 years ago, the second occurred approximately c. 35,000-40,000 years ago, and the third and last peak began around c. 16,000-17,000 years ago, and continued until around 14,000 years ago. Each spike lasted for a period of approximately 2,000 years. Similar results have been determined from a stalagmite removed from a submerged blue hole in the Bahamas. An examination of its Beryllium-10 content indicates that at various points between 45,000 and 11,000 years ago the Earth was bombarded by twice the amount of cosmic radiation than we get today.
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The key to these different climate responses lies in the altered vertical temperature stratification in the North Atlantic that is characterised by an exceptionally rapidly increasing temperature inversion (rise in temperature with increasing depth) in the experiment for the climate 32,000 years ago. The sudden collapse of the vertical stratification is triggered by the end of the fresh water perturbation and leads to intensification of the deep water circulation by the rise of relatively warm and salty
intermediate water masses to the surface.
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Thus any increase in 10Be would be cosmic in origin; and the cosmic ray rate could only change if there were a nearby supernova. During the last Ice Age the 10Be deposition rate in ice at both poles was much higher than today. Gulf of California marine sediments clearly show strong 10Be peaks at 32,000 and 43,000 yr B.P. McHargue argues that these peaks can only be explained by a supernova

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New evidence that cosmic impact caused Younger Dryas extinctions

Abstract
One explanation of the abrupt cooling episode known as the Younger Dryas (YD) is a cosmic impact or airburst at the YD boundary (YDB) that triggered cooling and resulted in other calamities, including the disappearance of the Clovis culture and the extinction of many large mammal species. We tested the YDB impact hypothesis by analyzing ice samples from the Greenland Ice Sheet Project 2 (GISP2) ice core across the Bølling-Allerød/YD boundary for major and trace elements. We found a large Pt anomaly at the YDB, not accompanied by a prominent Ir anomaly, with the Pt/Ir ratios at the Pt peak exceeding those in known terrestrial and extraterrestrial materials. Whereas the highly fractionated Pt/Ir ratio rules out mantle or chondritic sources of the Pt anomaly, it does not allow positive identification of the source. Circumstantial evidence such as very high, superchondritic Pt/Al ratios associated with the Pt anomaly and its timing, different from other major events recorded on the GISP2 ice core such as well-understood sulfate spikes caused by volcanic activity and the ammonium and nitrate spike due to the biomass destruction, hints for an extraterrestrial source of Pt. Such a source could have been a highly differentiated object like an Ir-poor iron meteorite that is unlikely to result in an airburst or trigger wide wildfires proposed by the YDB impact hypothesis.

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No iridium anomaly after the 1908 Tunguska impact: Evidence from a Greenland ice core

ABSTRACT — We have determined the abundances of Ir and other elements by neutron activation analysis on annual dust samples from an ice core from Site B in the Crête region in central Greenland covering the years 1905–1914. Iridium was detected in all samples, but we found no excess Ir above the background in the years following the Tunguska event.

No iridium anomaly after the 1908 Tunguska impact: Evidence from a Greenland ice core - ResearchGate. Available from: [link to www.researchgate.net] [accessed May 5, 2015].

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Also, the Tsunami from the sinking of Atlantis would have been enormous . . . one just 150 to 300 feet high in the Atlantic would devistate the entire east coast of North America. . .


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Atlantis, according to Plato, sank in the course of 24 hours. Let's say he rounded off and it took 20 hours before it was completely swallowed up by the waves.

This is really slow. Also it would not be a smooth homogenous movement, there would have been quakes, things crumbling etc.

So an actual big tsunami would probably not have been produced IMHO. apart from local ones - caused by parts of the island sinking faster than other ones.
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Also, the Tsunami from the sinking of Atlantis would have been enormous . . . one just 150 to 300 feet high in the Atlantic would devistate the entire east coast of North America. . .


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Atlantis, according to Plato, sank in the course of 24 hours. Let's say he rounded off and it took 20 hours before it was completely swallowed up by the waves.

This is really slow. Also it would not be a smooth homogenous movement, there would have been quakes, things crumbling etc.

So an actual big tsunami would probably not have been produced IMHO. apart from local ones - caused by parts of the island sinking faster than other ones.
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If just a relatively small portion of one of the Canary Islands slides into the sea, it is expected to cause massive destruction . . . Atlantis was a much, much larger land mass and if even a small part slid into the sea (within a few moments, a likely possibility) the tsunami would be enormous . . . [link to en.wikipedia.org]

La Palma is currently the most volcanically active island in the Canary Islands Archipelago. It is likely that several eruptions would be required before failure would occur on Cumbre Vieja.[17][18] However, the western half of the volcano has an approximate volume of 500 cubic kilometres (120 cu mi) and an estimated mass of 1.5 trillion metric tons (1.7×1012 short tons). If it were to catastrophically slide into the ocean, it could generate a wave with an initial height of about 1,000 metres (3,300 ft) at the island, and a likely height of around 50 metres (164 ft) at the Caribbean and the Eastern North American seaboard when it runs ashore eight or more hours later. Tens of millions of lives could be lost in the cities and/or towns of St. John's, Boston, Halifax, New York, Baltimore, Washington, D.C., Miami, Havana and the coasts of both South Carolina and North Carolina, as well many other cities on the Atlantic coast in Europe, South America and Africa.[17][18] The likelihood of this happening is a matter of vigorous debate . . .

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My buddies told their goodbyes. My turn.

I'll leave you with one final bit of mindfuck.

Suppose you're working at a specific line of work in which you see things you're not meant to share with anyone. So you've got a ton of really smart people who get to uncover some pretty crazy things, if you force them to keep a secret for too long they'll get ideas.

Suppose you allow them, once in a while in controlled inviroment to tell absolute truth to the public without them compromising themselves or the enterprise they participate in.

Keep supposing that handled and controlled they're allowed to fuck with people on nutty boards giving them absolute truth in a limited manner.

Now you get to decide which next piecase is an actual operative on his venting seesion or a new age crackpot faking it, or maybe a troll.

Gotta love the internet.

Ps. this particular piece of trolling was earned by George and U3. I like you guys that's why i'm fucking with you.

I'm the last, we've all said our goodbyes, solid work that thread, we've really put a lot of effort and dedication to fuck with your heads.
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70) Chupacabra:

:Chupacabra1:


Also, in case you missed these questions: what do you know about a chupacabra phenomenon, what is this creature? Some claim it is from the different dimension and bullets supposedly can't hit it...
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It's a gigantic bat, it's about four feet high when standing on it's hind legs and drunken hillbillies will generally miss when firing.
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Also, in case you missed these questions: what do you know about a chupacabra phenomenon, what is this creature? Some claim it is from the different dimension and bullets supposedly can't hit it...
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It's a gigantic bat, it's about four feet high when standing on it's hind legs and drunken hillbillies will generally miss when firing.
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Sarcasm or humor?


:lol3:
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Fact, drunken people are not accurate marksmen.
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52) NEWEST UPDATE: Mona Lisa Hoax (Apollo mission 20) is partially true: or maybe not? Alterwelt did not say these images were the downed ship but it seems the implication was there . . .

MonaShipDS

MoonSubC

Note: the ship still lies near the Mickey Mouse Ears on the Far Side of the Moon. The official Apollo mission 15 survey photos clearly depicts the craft . . . I am unable to upload them . . . however I highly recommend you take a look at the images . . . just look to the right of the large mound crater in the center of the image strip on both sources below . . [link to www.lpi.usra.edu]
and [link to www.lpi.usra.edu]
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Somebody, possibly "William Rutledge" (Youtube ID retiredafb) noticed this 10km long feature on the far side of the Moon back in 2007. The image is a detail from a strip taken by the Apollo 15 pan camera. The photo ID is AS15-P-9625.[12] Coordinates are 117.68°E, 18.66°S, and the nearest named craters are Diderot and Delporte.
Once again, the anomalists rely on outdated, relatively low-resolution images to make their case. The high-res frame taken by the narrow angle camera of Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter[13] shows that it's just a dune feature, cratered to the same density as the surrounding area.


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Is it true that the ship is about 3,4 km long?
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It's about 2 miles long
, yes.

Did they go from Earth to the Moon in it, or did they build it on the Moon?
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Vessels like this one were built in orbit and never landed on any planet, their purpose was to travel to the asteroid belt between Jupiter and Mars and mine out the larger asteroids for exotic materials.
You said you do not know the details,
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I do not know the details of Apollo 20 mission, we know everything there is to know about the moon and the refuse found on it.
but maybe You know what kind of awesome high tech sorcery is that condition she was found in?
Thank You.
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None, the Moon is cold and sterile, everything that dies there is perfectly preserved for all eternity. Also she was very dead.
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How do these people (Denisovans) fit into your history of humans?

Are these dates correct?

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Skeletal remains show that the Denisovans were probably far more robust and powerful than modern humans, and were, until now, assumed to be a more primitive, archaic type of humans than us.
But, the discovery of the bracelet suggests this was far from true. Amazingly, the skill involved in making this adornment shows a level of technique at least 30,000 years ahead of its time.


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My buddies told their goodbyes. My turn.

I'll leave you with one final bit of mindfuck.


Suppose you're working at a specific line of work in which you see things you're not meant to share with anyone. So you've got a ton of really smart people who get to uncover some pretty crazy things, if you force them to keep a secret for too long they'll get ideas.

Suppose you allow them, once in a while in controlled inviroment to tell absolute truth to the public without them compromising themselves or the enterprise they participate in.

Keep supposing that handled and controlled they're allowed to fuck with people on nutty boards giving them absolute truth in a limited manner.

Now you get to decide which next piecase is an actual operative on his venting seesion or a new age crackpot faking it, or maybe a troll.

Gotta love the internet.

Ps. this particular piece of trolling was earned by George and U3. I like you guys that's why i'm fucking with you.

I'm the last, we've all said our goodbyes, solid work that thread, we've really put a lot of effort and dedication to fuck with your heads.
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Doesn't this say it all (or almost) really ?

IF you are working at something you are not supposed to share with anyone... WHY would you be allowed to do it anyway under ANY circumstances ?

Just for the sake of f**cking with people's minds, as they wouldn't be able to discern what's true and what isn't anyway ?

Well, I'd say this says all about YOU.
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Just a reminder . . . from
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My buddies told their goodbyes. My turn.

I'll leave you with one final bit of mindfuck.


Suppose you're working at a specific line of work in which you see things you're not meant to share with anyone. So you've got a ton of really smart people who get to uncover some pretty crazy things, if you force them to keep a secret for too long they'll get ideas.

Suppose you allow them, once in a while in controlled inviroment to tell absolute truth to the public without them compromising themselves or the enterprise they participate in.

Keep supposing that handled and controlled they're allowed to fuck with people on nutty boards giving them absolute truth in a limited manner.

Now you get to decide which next piecase is an actual operative on his venting seesion or a new age crackpot faking it, or maybe a troll.

Gotta love the internet.

Ps. this particular piece of trolling was earned by George and U3. I like you guys that's why i'm fucking with you.

I'm the last, we've all said our goodbyes, solid work that thread, we've really put a lot of effort and dedication to fuck with your heads.
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 Quoting: George B

Doesn't this say it all (or almost) really ?

IF you are working at something you are not supposed to share with anyone... WHY would you be allowed to do it anyway under ANY circumstances ?

Just for the sake of f**cking with people's minds, as they wouldn't be able to discern what's true and what isn't anyway ?

Well, I'd say this says all about YOU.
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So what do you think it says about me?

By the way you forgot this part of their quote:

"Suppose you allow them, once in a while in controlled inviroment to tell absolute truth to the public without them compromising themselves or the enterprise they participate in.

Keep supposing that handled and controlled they're allowed to fuck with people on nutty boards giving them absolute truth in a limited manner."

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Here is a bit of interesting speculation . . . what is going on in these photos?

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Seems like two separate light sources to me?
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Here is a bit of interesting speculation . . . what is going on in these photos?

:ShadowMoon2:

Seems like it could be two separate light sources to me?
 Quoting: George B


Photos are from Apollo 11: From the perspective of the photographer both images obviously have a light source coming from the camera’s right, there is no other explanation . . . All shadows on the lunar module show such illumination. The only exception in both photos is the photographer. The shadow of the photographer is not distorted as it would be if the light was to the right or left, thus the light appears to be above and nearly directly behind and possibly slightly to the right because the left leg is slightly larger than the left in “B”. Also, the terrain could be falling away from the camera in ”B”. This would increase the shadow length and exaggerate any right-left distortion (which appears minimal because the inverted “V” created by the intersection of the persons legs is nearly perfectly symmetrical). The antenna shadow in “B” may or may not be vertical . . . Since it could be leaning to the left we cannot make any assumption, except it creates a bias on the part of the observer. The major light (Sun) is at a 45 degree angle overhead based on the shadow length on the lunar module and the other astronaut or instrument pack. (Note: the lunar Rover was not on Apollo 11, it came starting with Apollo 15, so the antenna shadow is an instrument pack and is almost certain to be verticals) This seems to also indicate the light behind the photographer could be less than 45 degrees above the photographer (longer shadow and directly in front of the light source) but most likely not the antenna shadow which is influenced by the major light source (unless it is leaning left and is way less than vertical). If the antenna was in the Photographer’s light source its shadow should be pushed right somewhat or be double shadow(ed).

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:ShadowDist:

When looking directly into a light source, shadows on the right and left of the observer tend to toe outward . . . while looking at shadows with the light source directly to one's back makes shadows to one's right and left toe inward.

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:ShadowDist:

When looking directly into a light source, shadows on the right and left of the observer tend to toe outward . . . while looking at shadows with the light source directly to one's back makes shadows to one's right and left toe inward.
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ShadowINOut
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My next bit of analysis will be using scale models to see how they react to the lighting options . . . preliminary trials reveal a second light source is the easiest way to reproduce the NASA image . . . see below:

:ShadowAnalysis:


Here are the photos I promised . . . I think the shadows cast by the pots represent what I explained above . . . I think Photo #1 and B and Photo #2 and A compare reasonably (#2 has second light source directly behind the camera). . . Shots#1, #2 and #3 show what happens when one light source is intensified over the other from roughly similar perspectives . . . #4 was taken with a flash. (Note: in #1, the right shadow of the Chair rail did toe in from right to left as is seen on the NASA Photo)

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Interesting Note: For a variety of reasons Alterwelt has talked most about the following persons . . .

10. Prometheus, Lucifer, Satan (see below for compiled narrative from Alterwelt)
20) Jesus (see below for compiled narrative from Alterwelt)
56) Joan of Arc (see below for compiled narrative from Alterwelt)
52) Mona Lisa, 32,000 year old female pilot (see below for compiled narrative from Alterwelt)
71) Moses (see below for compiled narrative from Alterwelt)
36) Edgar Cayce (see below for compiled narrative from Alterwelt)
72) Tesla: (see below for compiled narrative from Alterwelt)
26) Hitler and Eva Von Braun,(see below for compiled narrative from Alterwelt)
47: J.R.R.Tolkien (see below for compiled narrative from Alterwelt)


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10) Lucifer, Prometheus is the same as Satan the Morning Star and was not a human but a pre-human species.
Update Lucifer, Click on the Letter Icon Below:
 Quoting: George B

PromethG

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20) Jesus bled to death at the crucifixion, was the son of Joseph of Arimathea, husband of Mary, a 17 year old young woman, they were wealthy, Jesus had a twin brother and a sister.
Jesus: Click on the Letter Icon Below:
 Quoting: George B
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Jesus: Click on the Letter Icon Below:
 Quoting: George B

:JChristNHist:

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56) Joan of Arc evidence of Ancient genetic engineering:
Update on Joan of Arc evidence of Ancient genetic engineering, Click on the letter Icon below:
 Quoting: George B

:JoanofArc:

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52) Mona Lisa Hoax (Apollo mission 20) is partially true:
52) Mona Lisa Hoax (Apollo mission 20) is partially true:, Click on the Letter Icon Below:
 Quoting: George B

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71) Moses:
71) Moses: Click on the Letter Icon Below:
 Quoting: George B

:NAMoses:
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36) Edgar Cacye
Edgar Cayce, Click on the Letter Icon Below:
 Quoting: George B

:ECayceAR:
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72) Tesla:
72) Tesla: Click the Letter Icon Below:
 Quoting: George B

:ATslaA:
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26) Hitler and Eva Von Braun
Hitler and Eva Von Braun, Click on Letter Icon Below:
 Quoting: George B

:WWIIHE:
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47) J.R.R.Tolkien
47) J.R.R.Tolkien, Masons, illuminati , St. Germain, and the elites, Click on the Letter Icon Below:
 Quoting: George B

:JRRTolkin:
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 Quoting: George B


71) Moses:

:NAMoses:

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Was there a Moses? Solomon?

Yes, both are historic figures. Solomon was not jewish though and Moses stole several technological artifacts from Egypt hence Jews were pursued by the Pharaoh.
One of these provided the Jews with safe crossing of the Red Sea, the other helped him carve the tablets (and burned his face for the rest of his life).


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This is a strange request, but I want to know about the Exodus. Moses.

Moses was an ambitious individual who was adopted by the Pharao's family as a child and inducted into the highest orders of egyptian priests. There he was given the
known history of the world and shown the repositories together with their artifacts. He then proceeded to steal some of them, used them to convince the Jews he was sent by God and led them out, once his theft became apparent he was pursued by the Pharaos forces, he used the devices to stave off the pursuit and aid his new followers. He led his people to Palestine, it took him about a year, the four decades would be added later.


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You say Moses stole technology to part the Red Sea...are you implying that Moses was not under any influence other than his own and what he could accomplish with some tools?

If you're implying God as per bible, no. Moses' motives were simple, he wanted a people to rule and being inducted into the priestly caste of Egypt he was shown the vaults and records of older times including tools and artifacts.

What was the pillar of cloud by day and the pillar of fire by night?

A side effect of a faulty mobile algae farm that fed Israelis. It worked but produced excess heat, light and radiation.
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64) Manna, Moses, and the Exodus (and the finger):
 Quoting: George B


Did Moses write the Torah?

No.

How did these ancients manage to encode Kabbalah into Torah if it was only man at work in it's creation?

At one point divination was a hard science combining mathematics and mental disciplines. It was possible to predict the future and encode it.

Also, as a remote viewer, does it become self-evident that there is a spirit world and, if so, was Moses likely directed by entities from it?

Moses was a man driven by ambition. He wanted a people to rule and discovered tools that allowed him to appear as a chosen miracle worker to people who did not understand technology from a much earlier period.

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When you mentioned that moses stole a few devices from pharoah to lead the israelites out of egypt, was the ark of the covenant one of these things or was it built in the wilderness?

The ark was one of these things. Israelites built the casing.

What was the ark of the covenant built for and was it a advance device that had a certain purpose above human understanding?

Correct. It was a portable power generator.
33) Ark of the convenient and the Knights Templar: Click on the Letter Icon Below:
 Quoting: George B

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Also, you said Moses was a fraud. So what about the 10 commandments?

Many emergent sects and ideologies mix apparently good and benevolent content within their control structures.
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What we're the ten commandments? Just 2 stones with Moses writing cool on them?

Moses took the truths of egyptian priesthood and added to them.

Is the smashing of the bull in religious texts really an allegory for movingout of the age of taurus?

No. Jews literally worshipped the bull deity and Moses turned them away from it.
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and was marijuana burning in moses's tabernacle when he saw god's face in the smoke?
 Quoting: Necrodomist


Ignoring the jest. Moses stole multiple technological artifacts from the Egyptians (hence Pharaohs pursuit of the Jews). Artifacts that Egyptians held sacred as memories of another, earlier age.

One of them was a weapon that he used to carve the ten commandments with, a peculiar episode which even the Bible describes is that he severely burnt his face in the process.

 Quoting: Paxton

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Alterwelt, How were the 10 plagues of Egypt staged during the Exodus?


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list of plagues [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Natural explanations[edit]

Historians have suggested that the plagues are passed-down accounts of several natural disasters, some disconnected, others playing part of a chain reaction. Natural explanations have been suggested for most of the phenomena:

Plague 1 — water turned into blood; fish died Dr. Stephen Pflugmacher, a biologist at the Leibniz Institute for Water Ecology and Inland Fisheries in Berlin believes that rising temperatures could have turned the Nile into a slow-moving, muddy watercourse--conditions favorable for the spread of toxic fresh water algae. As the organism known as Burgundy Blood algae dies, it turns the water red.[35]
Alternatively, a bloody appearance could be due to an environmental change, such as a drought, which could have contributed to the spread of the Chromatiaceae bacteria which thrive in stagnant, oxygen-deprived water.[36]

Plague 2 — frogs Any blight on the water that killed fish also would have caused frogs to leave the river and probably die.

Plagues 3 and 4 — biting insects and wild animals The lack of frogs in the river would have let insect populations, normally kept in check by the frogs, increase massively. The rotting corpses of fish and frogs would have attracted significantly more insects to the areas near the Nile.

Plagues 5 and 6 — livestock disease and boils There are biting flies in the region which transmit livestock diseases; a sudden increase in their number could spark epidemics.

Plague 7 — fiery hail Volcanic eruption, resulting in showers of rock and fire.

Plague 8 — locusts According to the UN Food and Agricultural Organization (FAO), when they get hungry, a one-ton horde of locusts can eat the same amount of food in one day as 2,500 humans.[37]

Plague 9 — darkness The immediate cause of this plague is theorized to be the "hamsin", a south or southwest wind charged with sand and dust, which blows about the spring equinox and at times produces darkness rivaling that of the worst London fogs.[38]

Plague 10 — death of the firstborn If the last plague indeed selectively tended to affect the firstborn, it could be due to food polluted during the time of darkness, either by locusts or by the black mold Cladosporium. When people emerged after the darkness, the firstborn would be given priority, as was usual, and would consequently be more likely to be affected by any toxin or disease carried by the food. Meanwhile, the Israelites ate food prepared and eaten very quickly which would have made it less likely to be contaminated.[citation needed] However, this does not explain how the firstborn cattle alone also would have perished.
 Quoting: George B


Moses used a chemical concoction to poison Nile upstream, as a result old, infirm and young died after drinking water.

The hail of fire and darkness was also him using a device that back then was installed in the Great Pyramid of Giza, the device was old and illmaintained, it blew up in the process leaving the interior scorched and cracked to this day. The rest is artistic license.

After that the Pharaoh had the broken device uninstalled leaving only the stone shell we see today.

 Quoting: Alterwelt

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There are two stories here.

When people lost the direct connection to their deeper aspect they turned to science to recreate it, these projects together are recalled as a tower to reach God.

The second is the allegory of scattering and dividing of mankind following the doomsday war some 32,000 years ago.
 Quoting: Alterwelt


N34) So the story is extremely ancient, do we know how the text got into the Pentateuch? What scriptures existed before the Ancient Hebrew text?
 Quoting: George B


Jews got their hands of lots of records from Egypt, apart from the finger, the ark, the mobile algae farm and several other devices that Moses stole there were records that formed the basis of some of the Old Testament.
 Quoting: Alterwelt


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1) The "finger" please explain?
 Quoting: George B

A portable plasma-like torch. These things were left over from a much earlier age having a renewable energy source, the priests used them to carve in stone and Moses used it to inscribe the commandments burning his face in the process.
2) The manna . . . was from the algae farm I assume? [link to en.m.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: George B

Correct, it was an algae farm, devices like these were once placed in every city in designated locations to provide free food for the poor.
3) The Exodus was started in what year?
 Quoting: George B

Unclear.
4) Did they really spend 40 years wandering in the wilderness?
 Quoting: George B

A few months.

 Quoting: Alterwelt

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Can you give a date range or approximate date when the Hebrew Exodus from Egypt lead by Moses began?
 Quoting: George B


Approximately 3400 years ago or 1.400 BCE. Approximately 11.000 Jews left with Moses and some 4.000 remained behind. The whole journey lasted the better part of a year.

 Quoting: Alterwelt


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Approximately 3400 years ago or 1.400 BCE. Approximately 11.000 Jews left with Moses and some 4.000 remained behind. The whole journey lasted the better part of a year.
 Quoting: Alterwelt


Thanks! I am trying to construct a timeline from your input and this target date was important!

So these few Hebrew were capable of conquering all the inhabitants of the Promise Land? How did this happen? Was it as detailed in the Old Testiment?

 Quoting: George B


Palestine and the surrounding lands were inhabited by hunter gatherers living in the ruins of older and greater realms, the few who lived in organised societies were fewer in number and fought each other.

Hebrews brought egyptian iron and bronze, more importantly egyptian steel. Moses knew the art of war in a way the people of Palestine did not, finally they had the Ark and the Finger to use if all else failed.

 Quoting: Alterwelt

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Steel??? In the Bronze Age? The archeological record does not support this allegation.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42991147


Small scale use and manufacture of steel was contious throught history.

In Egypt priests knew how to manufacture it and Pharaohs and their guards were often equipped with steel swords.

 Quoting: Alterwelt

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Was Petra the promised land Moses was looking for?
 Quoting: Sweety Pie


Moses was looking for modern day Palestine due to an abundance of high value sites there.
 Quoting: Alterwelt

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