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Jesus Did Not Justify Sin

 
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Perhaps one day soon, you will say to yourself, "Why is the only commandment of the 10 I teach is void the only one with the prophetic heeding to "REMEMBER?"

"Why does this one commandment which has the very signature of God in it, the only commandment prophetically geared toward being forgotten so disputed among men today?"
 Quoting: sundayisNOTthesabbath


You mean this right?

And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
(Deuteronomy 5:15)
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God commanded the Israelites to keep the sabbath because He rescued them from slavery in Egypt. Please remember that.

Obviously God never rescued the Christians from slavery in Egypt. God didn't rescue everybody in the world from slavery in Egypt. Please remember that.

Only the Israelites were rescued from slavery in Egypt. Therefore only the Israelites were commanded to keep the sabbath. Please remember that.
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Strange God created the Sabbath during creation week "for man" yet a jew was not born until 1000 years later.

You really don't think your missing something there?

Satan hates the Law as much as you do. That is not a coincidence.


Truth has been provided. Per Titus 3 : 10 I wash my hands of this.
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true

He forgave sin.---for those who repent of sin and accept Him as God.

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Satan hates the Law as much as you do. That is not a coincidence.

Truth has been provided. Per Titus 3 : 10 I wash my hands of this.
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You say satan hates the law, but It is following the law that condemns us because we cannot live up to it. The law does not conquer darkness.

Grace conquers darkness. It conquers it so completely that you have power over darkness and it will flee from you.
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10 + 2 = 12. How come you don't tell people to obey the 12 commandments?

Those 2 commandments in Matthew 22:37-39 aren't in the ten commandments. They are in the "ceremonial law" right?
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Seems you miss the entire point.

Those 2 commandments ARE the 10.
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No sorry, that isn't what Jesus said.

"On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
(Matthew 22:40)
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"The law and the prophets" isn't the ten commandments. It's the old testament. The law and the prophets is the five books of the law written by Moses, and the other books of the old testament written by the prophets.

The Pharisee asked Jesus what is the greatest commandment in the law. That is, the five books of Moses.

"Master, which is the great commandment in the law?"
(Matthew 22:36)

Clearly "the law" is the same in Matthew 22:36 and 22:40. The law referred to is the law of Moses.

Clearly "the law" can't be just the ten commandments. If "the law" meant the ten commandments, Jesus would have answered with one of the ten commandments.

Jesus refers to "thou shalt not kill" as part of the law of Moses:

"Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keeps the law? Why go you about to kill me?"
(John 7:19)
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According to Jesus, "thou shalt not kill" is part of the law of Moses.
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Perhaps one day soon, you will say to yourself, "Why is the only commandment of the 10 I teach is void the only one with the prophetic heeding to "REMEMBER?"

"Why does this one commandment which has the very signature of God in it, the only commandment prophetically geared toward being forgotten so disputed among men today?"


Remember, you do not think any other commandment is done away with.

You do not think we can have other gods before God? Can we bow to idols? Can we use Gods name in vain? Can we dishonor our parents? Can we kill others? Can we commit adultery? Can we lie? Can we steal? Can we covet our neighbors property?

"Why then do I so despise the very Sabbath I was commanded to REMEMBER?"
 Quoting: sundayisNOTthesabbath


I wish I could find a minister that wasn't turned into a bumbling fool by the very question you ask. EVERY single one of them I speak with on this matter are all good with everyone of the commandments until you get to the Sabbath and then each one of them has there own spin on it with no real answer given. hf
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Strange God created the Sabbath during creation week "for man" yet a jew was not born until 1000 years later.

You really don't think your missing something there?

 Quoting: sundayisNOTthesabbath


Wait, you don't want to remember what the ten commandments says?? Here is a direct quote from the ten commandments:

And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
(Deuteronomy 5:15)
[link to www.biblegateway.com]


God commanded the Israelites to keep the sabbath because He rescued them from slavery in Egypt. That is written in stone (see Deuteronomy 5:22). You can't change it.
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Who cares?

Your religion is the best because you can do anything at all as long as you repent all is forgiven,

Or if that doesn't work just blame Satan.

You don't have to be accountable for anything its great.

Don't forget to Judge.
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Here is proof that the ten commandments are only from after the Israelites left Egypt. Please read the first part of the ten commandments:

6 ‘I am the Lord your God, who rescued you from Egypt, where you were slaves.

7 “‘Worship no god but me.
(Deuteronomy 5:6-7)

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Adam and Eve weren't rescued from slavery in Egypt. Obviously God did not tell them that He rescued them from Egypt.

16 “‘Respect your father and your mother, as I, the Lord your God, command you, so that all may go well with you and so that you may live a long time in the land that I am giving you.
(Deuteronomy 5:16)

"The land that I am giving you" is the promised land of Canaan that you can read about in Exodus. (see Exodus 3:17). Obviously God didn't give the land of Canaan to Adam and Eve. He gave it to the Israelites.

If somebody is trying to tell you that the ten commandments were commanded at creation time, they aren't telling the truth. God didn't rescue Adam and Eve from slavery in Egypt.

The ten commandments can't be changed. The first commandment will always say "I am the Lord your God, who rescued you from Egypt, where you were slaves". The people who were rescued from slavery in Egypt are the Israelites. The people being commanded to obey the ten commandments are the Israelites.

Christians, don't be tricked by people pretending that God commanded Adam and Eve to obey the ten commandments. Adam and Eve weren't rescued from slavery in Egypt. Egypt didn't even exist.
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I know, I know. Do not continue to remind me as I am sinning.
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Again, you miss the very point of the Sabbath that Christ was proving.

It is about drawing near to the Creator. To acknowledge Him as Creator and God of all.

It is not about rules and regulations even though they do infact exist.


And again, the "rules" of the Sabbath are found clearly in Exodus 20 : 8 - 11

If you truly cannot see them, as could not the pharisees, that is due to the nature of the Law.

1st Corinthians 2 : 14

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 Quoting: sundayisNOTthesabbath


I'd like you to go back and re read my first post. I say we are not under the law of Moses, we are under Grace. Then you pipe in "hey you need to seperate the mosaic law and Gods commandments. I point out that I actually did in my post about the law of the sabbath. But you reply "hey the 'law' is in the 4th commandment, look at Exodus" and I say that's not the law I am referring to, I am referring to the modifications to the 4th commandment for clarification. Then you reply that I am missing the point of the sabbath and that I'm blind and I have no eyes to see or ears to hear.

You are jumping my back, but I still don't think you understand what I have been writing. I think you are in such an aggressive state that you are looking to wrench someone, and apparently you want that to be me.

All I have to say is your reading comprehension of my posts is complete shit. And if you only spend one day drawing close to the creator because the commandment tells you, you my misguided brother are missing out on the daily relationship that is absolutely amazing!

Now to go back to the beginning, I still stand by we are not under the law of Moses, we are under Grace from Jesus.
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James 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.


Please refrain from cursing.

While some Sabbath keepers may only choose to draw nigh to God on the Sabbath Day, no true Christian stops drawing nigh unto God. The Sabbath is a commandment, and is commemorative of the end of Creation week. It is the only commandment that acknowledges God is the Creator. It is the only commandment that is marked with God's signature. Those who keep it, are sealed by God with His signature.

Jehovah, Creator, of Heaven and Earth

Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


The Sabbath was never changed by Christ.

Matthew 5:17-18 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

This is constantly referred to as the Mosaic law, but they fail to realize that Christ made mention of everything being fulfilled. They say Christ fulfilled everything. Then why have heaven and Earth not yet passed? He has not yet fulfilled coming back to this planet.

Christ did not come to destroy the teachings of the law, nor of the prophets. Christ came and fulfilled many prophecies about Himself, to obey the law in it's true sense, and lifted up the standard of righteousness in the law. He pointed to it's spiritual nature, which man, having carnal eyes, cannot see.

It is a riveting thing, to realize that the 10 Commandments point to every aspect in life. And the Sabbath points to the heart keeping of it also, not just the outward show.

As for stoning people, we are NOT to do that. Other commandments of God when broken received the same punishment.
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And Jesus answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath day?

And they held their peace. And he took him, and healed him, and let him go;

And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?

And they could not answer him again to these things.
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And Jesus answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath day?

And they held their peace. And he took him, and healed him, and let him go;

And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?

And they could not answer him again to these things.

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Saving an animal from an emergency situation is justified on the Sabbath. The Sabbath was made for man. It is not God's design that man should not attend to the life of beast, or himself.

But the allowance of an emergency situation does not justify absolute disobedience to the commandment.
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Study what legalism is to understand what the OP is.

As a true Christain you are saved by God's grace and NOT by your works, it is the gift of God.

The Apostle Paul says we are not under the law.

If Christ took away your sins, that means there aren't any so sins left to be dealt with, and in the absence of sin, the law is fulfilled. (Where there is no sin, the law cannot condemn).This is what is meant that Christ fulfilled the law, and this is what is meant by righteousness by faith and not by works.

There is more to this, but this is enough for now.
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Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

How is withholding my hand back from theft, or murder, legalism? How is telling others they must do so if they wish to be saved, legalism? How is withholding my heart back from covetousness, and from worshipping idols, legalism? How is teaching others that these things too they must do, legalism? Indeed, we are saved by grace through faith. But the man that is saved, but then rejects God's commandments cannot be saved.

Jude 1:5-6 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Israel originally believed in God, but soon gave way to sin, and were destroyed because of their unbelief. The angels which became disobedient, were cast from heaven, soon to be destroyed because of their transgressions. A man that is saved ought to consider these two examples. Those who are saved, ought not to give way to unbelief. Neither are they to give way to disobedience. For by these two things, shall a man be destroyed; unbelief and disobedience.

If you are a Christian, you may claim to believe Christ is your personal Saviour, but if you believed that, then you would act out your faith. Christ is the Saviour, who sets you free from sin. He does not leave you in the bondage of sin. The Christian can keep God's law because of Christ, because He sets us free, not ourselves. Those who make no effort to obey, deny the power of Christ. They have a form of godliness, but they DENY the power thereof.

2 Timothy 3:1-5 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
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