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Israeli Reservist: Second Thoughts on Israel's War Fever

 
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"Opinions like mine are marginalized in this fever-ridden country. I thought I was a traitor for thinking these thoughts. Maybe I am a traitor, but at least I know that here I can publish these views without fear of being arrested for treason. It is this right that Israelis must fight with equal passion to preserve -- even in times of war."
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Second Thoughts on Israel's War Fever

New America Media, Commentary, Adam Werner, Aug 03, 2006

Editor's Note: A student and reserve army member in Tel Aviv says Israel's cause is just, but fears that justice is transforming into vengeance. In Lebanon, that means destruction; on the home front, heated patriotism that harshly stifles debate. Adam Werner, 24, served four and a half years in the intelligence corps of the IDF. He is currently studying for his B.A. in Tel Aviv university, majoring in history and political science. He recently served a week of active reserve army duty due to the ongoing conflict in Lebanon.

TEL AVIV, Israel--Moments after the abduction of two Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah it was clear to me and other Israelis that outbreak of war on Israel's northern border was inevitable. I anticipated the unleashing of Israel's military might -- and the fact that I might be called up for reserve duty -- not because I willed destruction but because I saw no other alternative.

The simple and logical view of most Israelis is that Hezbollah is a fundamentalist, terrorist organization that violated our sovereignty, captured two of our boys and killed eight more in the battle that ensued. We had not provoked Hezbollah, we were not occupying Lebanon and therefore there could be no plausible justification for their actions... so they must be punished.

However, after weeks of dreadfully following the fighting from the relative safety of Tel Aviv, I have reached the sobering conclusion that there is a point where justice transforms into vengeance, and vengeance cannot be justified. To vengeance there must be an alternative.

As the war wears on and casualties on both sides accumulate, each of us must take a moment to ponder at what price must justice be served. How just is the displacement of over half a million Lebanese civilians? If we tear an entire village to the ground, even if it does harbor terrorists, is that justice?

The public consensus in Israel is quite simple: yes. Security above all else. Sometimes I wish that my country's current surge of patriotic pride would overtake me, but regretfully I see the ongoing conflict in blinding shades of gray.

I cannot help but wince when I see my city adorned in billboards proclaiming "WE WILL WIN" -- a national rallying cry to a war that can bear no decisive winner. I cannot rejoice when I hear of a "successful" air force operation that wiped out an entire neighborhood in Beirut. I cannot miss the irony that this Lebanon war followed the retreat of Israel from Gaza, a retreat many Israelis viewed as a sign of national weakness. In a similar way, the invasion of Lebanon in 1982 took place only two months after the evacuation of Yamit, the largest Jewish settlement in Sinai, which was returned within the framework of the Israel-Egypt peace accords -- also seen as capitulation by many in Israel.

In this part of the world, exerting your power is believed to be the only means of survival, and showing restraint is an unquestionable weakness. I cannot bear the thought that Israel is waging a war that endangers thousands on both sides for the sake of flexing its military muscle to all those who oppose it.

Israel is caught up in war fever. Slogans visible everywhere include "A United Israel to Victory" and "Let IDF win." It's an understandable phenomenon, as we are constantly rushing into bomb shelters and our loved ones are called up to fight against the source of all this chaos. I absolutely relate to the fever, but I cannot march blindly to its beat. I shiver with each news report of another salvo of Katushya rockets into Israel, another air force bombing in Lebanon, another action, another reaction -- and who will remember who started it all when we are busy counting the dead?

My greatest fear is that the democratic values on which we pride ourselves will be threatened by this war fever. Ninety people protested in Haifa against the operations in Lebanon last week. They endured verbal and physical abuse from a much larger group of onlookers and were ultimately arrested for conducting an illegal protest.

I did not attend or witness the protest -- I am not brave enough to voice anti-war sentiments at a time when the country is fighting what the public perceives as a battle for survival -- but I believe its outcome serves as a warning. Even in times of national adversity, we must not sabotage Israel's democratic foundations and drown in patriotic sentiments. It is crucial to take a moment to listen to the other side -- what it says might actually make sense.

Opinions like mine are marginalized in this fever-ridden country. I thought I was a traitor for thinking these thoughts. Maybe I am a traitor, but at least I know that here I can publish these views without fear of being arrested for treason. It is this right that Israelis must fight with equal passion to preserve -- even in times of war.

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Great post OP.
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Can't wait to read the zionist trolls' posts on this one!
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Can't wait to read the zionist trolls' posts on this one!
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I bet they'll run from this one. Immediately after this post they bumped all this junk. Still trungling IN VAIN to cover up. What fools.
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Israel is just as dysfunctional as the rest ot the west....they are spit into so many different political and religious agendas that its amazing that they are able to do anything at times.

Just like the wacko left in America there are those that oppose any kind of self defense.

The issue here is not Israel, but an Islam that has been carefully groomed to become the violent religion of a 1000 years ago.

Islam is the enemy...and yet they are being used too.

The Brits and Communists started training islamic clerics back in the first world war.

(look it up)

And who runs the communists and Brits....guess who?

Illuminati/NWO
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Too bad he's the exception. He is one of so very few Jews with a conscience.
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Israel is just as dysfunctional as the rest ot the west....they are spit into so many different political and religious

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Did you say SPIT?? Oh, so you not only spit on Christians, you also SPIT people into different political parties. My God.
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Israel is just as dysfunctional as the rest ot the west....they are spit into so many different political and religious


Did you say SPIT?? Oh, so you not only spit on Christians, you also SPIT people into different political parties. My God.
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Maybe some day you might be able to spitt all Arabs out of the ME. Have almost achieved that with Christian tourist visiting Israel.
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Israel is just as dysfunctional as the rest ot the west....they are spit into so many different political and religious


Did you say SPIT?? Oh, so you not only spit on Christians, you also SPIT people into different political parties. My God.

Maybe some day you might be able to spitt all Arabs out of the ME. Have almost achieved that with Christian tourist visiting Israel.
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If there is one thing I must give you credit for is that YOU ARE CHAMPION SPITTERS.
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Israel is just as dysfunctional as the rest ot the west....they are spit into so many different political and religious


Did you say SPIT?? Oh, so you not only spit on Christians, you also SPIT people into different political parties. My God.

Maybe some day you might be able to spitt all Arabs out of the ME. Have almost achieved that with Christian tourist visiting Israel.

If there is one thing I must give you credit for is that YOU ARE CHAMPION SPITTERS.
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The funniest thing i ever read. ROFLMAO
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nieve but has a good heart.the terrorist dont want to talk they want to kill you sonny.listen to your parents they know that this is about survival plain an simple.
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Can't wait to read the zionist trolls' posts on this one!
 Quoting: Witness 2694

The one thing that the Zionist trolls have in common is that THEY WERE NOT THERE!
and because they were not there they ignorantly wallow in their own prejudices.
How many of these people who jump to Israel's defence with their words have ever backed them up with actions?
How many of them have actually volunteered for combat duty in Israel? I bet none of the pro Israel posters on this forum can say that they have.
Here is my experience from 26 years ago.

It was January of 1980. We were manning the Lebanese front on a mountain called Har Dov ( trans Bear Mountain). Our enemies then were Yassir Arafat's PLO thugs who were terrorising not only our northern settlements but also the Christians and Shia Moslems of Southern Lebanon in the PLO's 'state within a state'. Before the Litani Operation of 1978, crowds of Shia villagers had on several occasions held demonstrations pleading for Israel to come and help them protect themselves from the PLO.
On this particular day our ground surveillance radar had picked up some activity close to our position. At the crack of dawn, a platoon of us made a patrol down the side of the mountain to check it out.
When we got to the site in question, we found an old shepherd with whom we axchanged guarded but polite greetings and went on our way.
We continued down the mountain till we reached a Shia village south of Khiam on the Hatzbani River. By this time, the school day had begun and we encountered a class of grade 2 pupils with their teacher walking down the road on some kind of outing.
These children were not at all afraid to see a our heavily armed group in their town. They greeted us in Arabic and French with genuine smiles and warmth. It was obvious that they felt protected by our presence.
These childrens' smiles made it all worth while to me, all the months of training, the many nights with only 3 hours sleep, the 80 km forced marches with 90 lbs of weaponry on my back. All that training was so that if these childrens village was ever threatened by the PLO or the Syrians we would be back to protect a fellow minority group in the Mid East.
Where are these children now? THEY ARE GROWN UP AND IN THE HIZB'ALLAH.
Somewhere in 18 years of brutal occupation we lost their warm friendship and made them our sworn enemies.
This is what really makes me sick. Israel is bombing the very people I once sweated rivers to be able to protect.
IT GRIEVES MY SOUL.
And the zionist trolls who post here will never understand because THEY WEREN'T THERE!
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This is what really makes me sick. Israel is bombing the very people I once sweated rivers to be able to protect.
IT GRIEVES MY SOUL.
And the zionist trolls who post here will never understand because THEY WEREN'T THERE!
 Quoting: ex IDF Para 83547


That is tragic. When will it stop?!
The Reptilian Elite are planning economic collapse, martial law and micro-chipping next year (2007).
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Can't wait to read the zionist trolls' posts on this one!

The one thing that the Zionist trolls have in common is that THEY WERE NOT THERE!
and because they were not there they ignorantly wallow in their own prejudices.
How many of these people who jump to Israel's defence with their words have ever backed them up with actions?
How many of them have actually volunteered for combat duty in Israel? I bet none of the pro Israel posters on this forum can say that they have.
Here is my experience from 26 years ago.

It was January of 1980. We were manning the Lebanese front on a mountain called Har Dov ( trans Bear Mountain). Our enemies then were Yassir Arafat's PLO thugs who were terrorising not only our northern settlements but also the Christians and Shia Moslems of Southern Lebanon in the PLO's 'state within a state'. Before the Litani Operation of 1978, crowds of Shia villagers had on several occasions held demonstrations pleading for Israel to come and help them protect themselves from the PLO.
On this particular day our ground surveillance radar had picked up some activity close to our position. At the crack of dawn, a platoon of us made a patrol down the side of the mountain to check it out.
When we got to the site in question, we found an old shepherd with whom we axchanged guarded but polite greetings and went on our way.
We continued down the mountain till we reached a Shia village south of Khiam on the Hatzbani River. By this time, the school day had begun and we encountered a class of grade 2 pupils with their teacher walking down the road on some kind of outing.
These children were not at all afraid to see a our heavily armed group in their town. They greeted us in Arabic and French with genuine smiles and warmth. It was obvious that they felt protected by our presence.
These childrens' smiles made it all worth while to me, all the months of training, the many nights with only 3 hours sleep, the 80 km forced marches with 90 lbs of weaponry on my back. All that training was so that if these childrens village was ever threatened by the PLO or the Syrians we would be back to protect a fellow minority group in the Mid East.
Where are these children now? THEY ARE GROWN UP AND IN THE HIZB'ALLAH.
Somewhere in 18 years of brutal occupation we lost their warm friendship and made them our sworn enemies.
This is what really makes me sick. Israel is bombing the very people I once sweated rivers to be able to protect.
IT GRIEVES MY SOUL.
And the zionist trolls who post here will never understand because THEY WEREN'T THERE!
 Quoting: ex IDF Para 83547


Group Hugs! I cannot even imagine what you must be feeling. Yes, the abuses we do to children today we pay dearly for it tomorrow.
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But on June 24, the day before Corporal Shalit was abducted, Israel kidnapped two Gaza civilians, a doctor and his brother, for no reason. Hezballah was provoked.
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Can't wait to read the zionist trolls' posts on this one!

The one thing that the Zionist trolls have in common is that THEY WERE NOT THERE!
and because they were not there they ignorantly wallow in their own prejudices.
How many of these people who jump to Israel's defence with their words have ever backed them up with actions?
How many of them have actually volunteered for combat duty in Israel? I bet none of the pro Israel posters on this forum can say that they have.
Here is my experience from 26 years ago.

It was January of 1980. We were manning the Lebanese front on a mountain called Har Dov ( trans Bear Mountain). Our enemies then were Yassir Arafat's PLO thugs who were terrorising not only our northern settlements but also the Christians and Shia Moslems of Southern Lebanon in the PLO's 'state within a state'. Before the Litani Operation of 1978, crowds of Shia villagers had on several occasions held demonstrations pleading for Israel to come and help them protect themselves from the PLO.
On this particular day our ground surveillance radar had picked up some activity close to our position. At the crack of dawn, a platoon of us made a patrol down the side of the mountain to check it out.
When we got to the site in question, we found an old shepherd with whom we axchanged guarded but polite greetings and went on our way.
We continued down the mountain till we reached a Shia village south of Khiam on the Hatzbani River. By this time, the school day had begun and we encountered a class of grade 2 pupils with their teacher walking down the road on some kind of outing.
These children were not at all afraid to see a our heavily armed group in their town. They greeted us in Arabic and French with genuine smiles and warmth. It was obvious that they felt protected by our presence.
These childrens' smiles made it all worth while to me, all the months of training, the many nights with only 3 hours sleep, the 80 km forced marches with 90 lbs of weaponry on my back. All that training was so that if these childrens village was ever threatened by the PLO or the Syrians we would be back to protect a fellow minority group in the Mid East.
Where are these children now? THEY ARE GROWN UP AND IN THE HIZB'ALLAH.
Somewhere in 18 years of brutal occupation we lost their warm friendship and made them our sworn enemies.
This is what really makes me sick. Israel is bombing the very people I once sweated rivers to be able to protect.
IT GRIEVES MY SOUL.
And the zionist trolls who post here will never understand because THEY WEREN'T THERE!
 Quoting: ex IDF Para 83547

Thank you for sharing your experience. It has increased my understanding of the conflict.





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