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Are Jews Smarter? (what genetic science tells us) -- Article In New Yorker Magazine (Oct 24, 2005)

 
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Are Jews Smarter? (what genetic science tells us) -- Article In New Yorker Magazine (Oct 24, 2005)
Article is 8 pages:

[link to newyorkmetro.com]

To cut it short:

Despite the merit, or lack of merit, of the claim, the parallels with Nazi Germany's fascination with supposed Aryan genetic superiority is flat out creepy.

Here is a choice quote:
"What do his colleagues think of his work?
'They think it’s probably right,' he says. 'But in public, their only reaction is a primate fear grimace.'"

This is from Harpending, one of the authors of the original study that sparked interest in the theory. Whether he is jewish or not, given the topic of discussion is relative intelligence of different races the use of the phrase "primate fear grimace" is unbelieavably crude and bigoted. I tend to assume it's the non-ashkenazi's ... ahem, i mean "gentiles" that react with the "primate fear grimace".

The author of the article is jewish, and this is in the New Yorker magazine. Given the population of jews in New York, this is to some extent an instance of jews speaking amongst themselves about their inherent superiority to gentiles.

I for one think that the conspiracy that is shaping world events is jewish. Is there any wonder, given the kind of open discussion within the jewish community of their superiority to gentiles?

Another thread worth reading:
"Jews Control Hollywood And Movies Made Before 9/11 With 9/11 Imagrey --- COINCIDENCE?"
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A topic for research -- does this conspiracy maintain its superiority by maiming and killing new-jew ... sorry, i meant "gentile" intellectuals? there have been so many cases of prominent scientists and engineers that have died untimely deaths, especially during the renaissance. people have made lists, i don't have a link handy.

perhaps you heard, once america invaded iraq and left it defenseless, hundred of iraq's scientists were assassinated. what was the common trait amongst these murdered scientists? political leaning? no. they were the best. that's what their colleagues say, as they begged the international community for help (and their pleas were ignored). google it if you haven't read this before.

who do you think did this? whether israelis or americans, in either case jews would seem to be the primary suspect (since neocons control america, and neocons are jews).

then there is the case of Gloria Naylor, a prominent young black american author who is now being tortured with microwave beams. she had won a national book award, and her books were used in university curriculum. well, she's not doing here best work anymore. guess those college kids won't be reading nigger novels now, will they?

Guess who Gloria Naylor recognized as being the ones who were following and persecuting her? jews.

listen to her interview with Greg Syzmanski:

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Re: Are Jews Smarter? (what genetic science tells us) -- Article In New Yorker Magazine (Oct 24, 2005)
Their seeming superiority of intelligence is the result of a technology and cultural practice that anyone can reproduce. Jews certainly understand that.
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Re: Are Jews Smarter? (what genetic science tells us) -- Article In New Yorker Magazine (Oct 24, 2005)
Jews deserve credit for inventing a culture that's less fucked up than others, but they also deserve criticism for allowing that culture to become tools of imperialism and slavery.
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Re: Are Jews Smarter? (what genetic science tells us) -- Article In New Yorker Magazine (Oct 24, 2005)
no, the article speculates that the explanation is genetics ... good genetics, i.e. "eugenics".
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Re: Are Jews Smarter? (what genetic science tells us) -- Article In New Yorker Magazine (Oct 24, 2005)
no, the article speculates that the explanation is genetics ... good genetics, i.e. "eugenics".
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Jews deserve credit for inventing a culture that's less fucked up than others, but they also deserve criticism for allowing that culture to become tools of imperialism and slavery.
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it is a conspiracy by a cabal within the jewish community against non-jews .. sorry, "gentiles" .. and i suspect that conspiracy involves identifying "gentiles" that are a potentially a threat and brain damaging or murdering them. in america, in europe, just as in iraq.

why not, if you are willing to ruthless persue the interests of your race, eliminating the most intelligent of your opposition is obviously the most effective thing you can do.

and it can be done in a away that is almost unnoticeable, because the smartest are such a small percentage (we're talking the top 1/10 of one percent or less probably) and because the technology now exists to brain damage a target without leaving a trace. microwave beams. actually, brain implants as well. in the past, possibly poisons?
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Re: Are Jews Smarter? (what genetic science tells us) -- Article In New Yorker Magazine (Oct 24, 2005)
Too bad they can't fucking learn to get along with the rest of the world.

that would so some intelligence!
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Re: Are Jews Smarter? (what genetic science tells us) -- Article In New Yorker Magazine (Oct 24, 2005)
Average IQ in Israel is 90. Not a genius group. Mostly a myth.
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NO CONTEST
WE JEWS ARE SMARTER THAN ALL OF YOU CHRISTIAN GOYEM. YOU ARE ANIMALS. WE WILL NOT HAVE TO PUT UP WITH YOU FOR LONG-THE CAMPS ARE BEING PREPARED FOR ALL THOSE WHO DO NOT WEAR THE STAR OF DAVID.

WE are GODs chose ones-we will rule next to him at his throne on high.
The rest of you will be in Hell
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Re: Are Jews Smarter? (what genetic science tells us) -- Article In New Yorker Magazine (Oct 24, 2005)
Sure they are smarter. Read this.

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Re: Are Jews Smarter? (what genetic science tells us) -- Article In New Yorker Magazine (Oct 24, 2005)
God lives in Baalbek
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Re: Are Jews Smarter? (what genetic science tells us) -- Article In New Yorker Magazine (Oct 24, 2005)
what is important here is what this BELIEF about their superiority says about the existence of a conspiracy amongst the jewish community

read what i said about iraq -- after the american invasion left iraq helpless, hundreds of iraqi scientists were assassinated

they weren't assasinated because they were outspoken politically, and they weren't assasinated becayse they studied military related areas of science

they were assasinated because they were the best, according to their colleagues. the world did nothing while this slaughter was carried out

The jews DID just carry out a conspiracy to kill the smartest iraqis.

What do you think the jews are, and have been doing, in Europe, and America? Read what I posted about Gloria Naylor. Did you read my comment that, if you are evil, and willing to ruthlessly promote the interests of your race at any expense ... it's obvious the most effective thing you can do, bar none, over the long term, is to secretly murder the most intelligent members of your opposition?

It certainly seems to be happening. Read about Gloria Naylor, and do some research into the oddly bad luck that top non-jewish scientists, mathematicians, and engineers enjoy.
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Re: Are Jews Smarter? (what genetic science tells us) -- Article In New Yorker Magazine (Oct 24, 2005)
Hey OP, correct your headline. It's NOT The New Yorker that's publishing the article, but New York Magazine. Two very different caliber magazines and audiences. New York Magazine is a rag sheet. No one takes it seriously.
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Re: Are Jews Smarter? (what genetic science tells us) -- Article In New Yorker Magazine (Oct 24, 2005)
Inbreeding doesn't breed intelligence.
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Re: Are Jews Smarter? (what genetic science tells us) -- Article In New Yorker Magazine (Oct 24, 2005)
true squirrelmonkey my mistake, but doesn't change anything that has been said in this thread
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Re: Are Jews Smarter? (what genetic science tells us) -- Article In New Yorker Magazine (Oct 24, 2005)
The media is just trying to be provocative reporting on this "study."

From the Article:

“It’s bad science—not because it’s provocative, but because it’s bad genetics and bad epidemiology,” says Harry Ostrer, head of NYU’s human-genetics program.


“I see no positive impact from this,” says Neil Risch, one of the few geneticists who’s dipped his oar into the treacherous waters of race and genetics. “When the guys at the University of Utah said they’d discovered cold fusion, did that have a positive impact?”


“I’d actually call the study bullshit,” says Sander Gilman, a historian at Emory University, “if I didn’t feel its idea were so insulting.”


Cochran mirthfully bats their complaints away. “I don’t see what the big deal is here,” he says when I reach him at his New Mexico home. “I haven’t actually told people how to make a hydrogen bomb out of baking soda in their garages.”


But there’s no question that Cochran and Harpending knew what they were doing. They were advancing a theory with a patina of sexiness and political incorrectness, one that would generate a good deal of discussion. And that it did. Some of that discussion was positive, and some was not, as one might expect. That’s always the problem with theories that exploit stereotypes—they’re titillating, sure, but also handy refuges for the intellectually lazy. The trick is not to harden and grow cold as we turn backward, as sure as Lot’s wife.
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Re: Are Jews Smarter? (what genetic science tells us) -- Article In New Yorker Magazine (Oct 24, 2005)
Thanks, Arin David, for your point of view. People need to read what you think because they can't believe it, until they hear it from the mouth of those we are taught to regard as above judgement.

Israel does have a national I.Q. of 90, as another poster wrote, and Arin David's post helps to make the point.
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Re: Are Jews Smarter? (what genetic science tells us) -- Article In New Yorker Magazine (Oct 24, 2005)
Yep they will be the smartest after they killed all their self-fabricated enemies' intelligence.
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People who are well fed, educated and have a close-knit family life will always have a higher intelligence than people who are poor, have poor nutrition, get little to no education and grow up in stressful social environments. It's environment far more than genetics. And there are tons of studies that prove this.
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NO CONTEST
WE JEWS ARE SMARTER THAN ALL OF YOU CHRISTIAN GOYEM. YOU ARE ANIMALS. WE WILL NOT HAVE TO PUT UP WITH YOU FOR LONG-THE CAMPS ARE BEING PREPARED FOR ALL THOSE WHO DO NOT WEAR THE STAR OF DAVID.

WE are GODs chose ones-we will rule next to him at his throne on high.
The rest of you will be in Hell
 Quoting: ARIN DAVID 103602


This is a joke, right? You're being sacastic...very good, that's funny!
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true squirrelmonkey my mistake, but doesn't change anything that has been said in this thread
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I don't care about changing what was said in the thread. I do care about you slandering the wrong magazine. Have you no sense of decency? Change the fuckin' subject line!
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true squirrelmonkey my mistake, but doesn't change anything that has been said in this thread
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I don't care about changing what was said in the thread. I do care about you slandering the wrong magazine. Have you no sense of decency? Change the fuckin' subject line!
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Re: Are Jews Smarter? (what genetic science tells us) -- Article In New Yorker Magazine (Oct 24, 2005)
the important thing here is not whether jews are smarter or not on average

the important thing is --

IS THIS BELIEF IN RACIAL SUPERIORITY DANGEROUS?

DOES IT MAKE A CONSPIRACY AMONG THE JEWISH POPULATION MORE LIKELY?

IF THEY ACTUALLY DO HAVE HIGHER IQ'S ON AVERAGE, DOES THAT MAKE A CONSPIRACY EVEN MORE DANGEROUS?

DO THEY SEEK AN ADVANTAGE BY SECRETLY MURDERING THE MOST INTELLIGENT OF OTHER RACES WHEN THEY ARE ABLE? Read what I wrote about the assassination of Iraqi's best scientists. Read what I wrote about Gloria Naylor.
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Re: Are Jews Smarter? (what genetic science tells us) -- Article In New Yorker Magazine (Oct 24, 2005)
oops forgot to sign in--that was me above.
Also--good point about the environment being a strong factor.
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Inbreeding doesn't breed intelligence.
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Quite the opposite.

But they THINK they're smarter.

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Some clever faction brought about the
"Aryan brotherhood," Mostly associated
with prisons and gangs and poisoning
the image of the true master race.
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Re: Are Jews Smarter? (what genetic science tells us) -- Article In New Yorker Magazine (Oct 24, 2005)
Interesting book on this subject:

Smart Jews: The Construction of the Image of Jewish Superior Intelligence (Abraham Lincoln Lecture Series) by Sander L. Gilman

Editorial Review
From Publishers Weekly

"Psychoanalyst-turned-medical historian Gilman builds on his previous work (The Jew's Body) about historical images of Jews to offer new insights into the vexed question of Jewish "superior" intelligence. Gilman examines a vast array of 19th- and 20th-century materials, from the writings of Francis Galton and Sigmund Freud to the works of playwright Georg Buchner and composer Alban Berg to Steven Spielberg's Schindler's List and Robert Redford's Quiz Show. Whether or not Jews are, in fact, smarter is never an issue; how the image of Jews as smarter has served the psychological and social needs and interests of Jews and Gentiles alike, is. Gilman is consequently less concerned with the validity of race-based intelligence theories than the burdens such claims (made by both Jews and Gentiles) have imposed upon Jews themselves. The average Jew may be smarter than the average Gentile, so the argument runs, but it is an intelligence without creativity, an effeminate, crafty type of intellect with no inherent link to virtue.."

Copyright 1996 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.

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Re: Are Jews Smarter? (what genetic science tells us) -- Article In New Yorker Magazine (Oct 24, 2005)
More from the article:

Furthermore, the authors’ hypothesis that what’s being selected for is intelligence is a sexy guess, but it’s based on almost nothing concrete—just a handful of smart Gaucher patients, some extra dendrites in cats, and a rat. “Jews have been accused of being frugal, cheap, aggressive,” says Neil Risch. “There’s a clear survival advantage to those traits too. Why not pick on those?
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Re: Are Jews Smarter? (what genetic science tells us) -- Article In New Yorker Magazine (Oct 24, 2005)
Maybe more than some, but not more than certain Asians (think China).

And the later group, equally as smart and partly as a result, can't be manipulated like Westerners by semitic religious bullshit.

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