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The Root of the Problem: Jews or Illuminati?: Makow

 
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The Root of the Problem: Jews or Illuminati?
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
August 04, 2006


By Henry Makow Ph.D.

Israel's demonic assault on innocent Lebanese civilians naturally has increased anti-Jewish feeling. There have been sporadic attacks on Jewish institutions and the usual voices again have denounced "the Jews."

For example, J.B. Campbell proclaimed in an article "Jewish Rule" posted on Rense.com:

"There is coming a time soon in which we shall have to fight Jews because they are Jews and because we are not. They will leave us with no other choice, just as they left the Russians and the Palestinians and the Hungarians and now the Lebanese with no other choice but fight or die a nasty death after captivity and thirst and starvation and torture."

John Kaminski writes, " The Illuminati is wholly Jewish, started by a Jew turned Catholic, operated by the Jews who control the money. Now used, as a convenient myth by Jewish writers to say the problem is not really Jewish."

Kaminski is referring to me. He has called me a "Zionist mole." The epithet "Illuminati mole" could be hurled back except I believe his error is sincere. People like Kaminski unwittingly serve the Illuminati agenda by making Jews the scapegoat for the Illuminati. They increase division and focus the hostility on Jewish pawns and dupes. As we shall see, the Illuminati is not "wholly Jewish" by a long shot. You could get rid of every Jew and the problem would remain. (Of course this does not absolve of guilt Jewish Illuminati and their dupes/agents i.e. Zionists, Communists, Feminists, Socialists, Neo Cohns etc.)

I refer Kaminski and his ilk to Fritz Springmeier, an unsung hero of humanity, now an American political prisoner, who has debriefed dozens of Illuminati defectors. A respected authority on the Illuminati, he says the problem is a lot bigger than "the Jews". It is anti-religious (as in satanic) not racial.

"To call the conspiracy Jewish is misleading. The father of it all is Satan. It is Satanic and it will use anyone it can." (Bloodlines of the Illuminati, p.126)

THE PROBLEM WE FACE

It's a nightmare except it's still there after we wake up.

It reads like a horror movie script: The trusted and respected leaders of society secretly belong to a satanic cult and are gradually turning humanity into their mind-controlled slaves. The process is designed to appear "natural."

Humanity has a terminal disease. Of course we don't want to know.

Every facet of Western society, not just organized Jewry, has been subverted. The elites, Jews and non-Jews alike, are either dupes or agents. The Illuminati control current events ans determine human history according to their "Plan.". What we call "secular humanism" is nothing but a facade for Luciferianism. "Modernism" is the substitution of human whim and subjectivity for Moral Order and Objective Truth. Our modern world is a fraud.

"The Illuminati" sounds incredible but it's real. It's philosophy and correspondence were seized in 1884. Defectors testified at public hearings. The material was circulated throughout Europe.

The relationship of Jews/Zionists to the Illuminati mirrors that of Freemasons, which the Illuminati controls. Most are pawns and dupes. "The Lodge shall be our nursery garden," Illuminati founder Adam Weishaupt wrote:" All those who are not suited to the work shall remain in the Masonic Lodge and advance in that without knowing anything of the further system." (Webster, Secret Societies, p.210)

FRITZ SPRINGMEIER

Humanity owes a debt of gratitude to Fritz Springmeier for exposing the Illuminati and its methods in a half dozen major works. The best are all on line.

His videos are also available on line.

His definitive work is "Be Wise as Serpents" (1991) and "Bloodlines of the Illuminati" (1999). At the back he lists thousands of names of members of the Illuminati organizations like the Pilgrim Society, Bohemia Grove and the Skull and Bones and related fraternities. The names reflect the American establishment yesterday and today. They are not exclusively Jewish.

I'll just list a few: Astor;Ball, Bennett; Bundy; Grace; Hammer; Kennedy; Brady; Acheson; Rockefeller; Dulles; Bedell Smith; Carnegie; Cowles; Dupont; Harriman; Schiff; Roosa; Brezinski; Kissinger; Forbes; Donovan; Javits; Mellon; Turner; Coffin; Heinz; MacLeish; Stanley; Pinchot; Whitney; Walker; Steadman; Taft...etc.

A similar analysis could be made of the membership of other Illuminati fronts such as the Bilderbergs, the Council on Foreign Relations; the Trilateral Commission and the Club of Rome.

Yes it is probable that Jewish Sabbatean heretics like the Rothschilds are the mainspring behind the Illuminati but there is no shortage of non-Jews who want a piece of the Satanic action.

Did you know Doonesbury's Gary Trudeau is Skull and Bones?

Ned Lamont who is taking Joe Lieberman's nomination is the great grandson of Thomas Lamont, the Chairman of J.P. Morgan, who financed the American Communists. These guys run the show. We get to choose which satanist we want.

It's frustrating that people like Kaminski can only see the Jews and not the gentiles. Then they blame all Jews regardless of their guilt and let guilty goyim off the hook. They seem to need a simple black-and-white solution to the world's problems. I invite them to read Fritz Springmeier and step up to the next level.

MOVERS AND SHAKERS

For exposing the Illuminati, Fritz Springmeier was framed for a 1997 bank robbery and sentenced to nine years in jail in 2003. If you want to do something positive, write to him.

They tried to make Springmeier out to be a Ted Kaczynski Unabomber. Read this interview with Springmeier and see how intelligent he is and how evil they are.

Here are some excerpts:

Who are the Illuminati?

"The Illuminati are the movers and shakers of the world. They are an elite group of bloodlines - I call these tribes or families - there are 13 major bloodlines. They are what are called "generational satanists". That means that they have practised their secret witchcraft for many centuries and they have passed their religion down from one generation to the next. They lead double lives. They have one life that the world sees and then they have a hidden life that the world doesn't see. There have been very few people that have been able to break through the secrecy."

"The top 13 bloodlines are the Astors, Bundy, Collins, Dupont, Freeman, Kennedy, Leigh, Onassis, Rockefellers, Rothschild, Russell ... then there is a 13th bloodline which is the Merovingian bloodline. I just simple call it the 13th and then there is the Van Dine Illuminati bloodline. The 13th bloodline, the Merovingian, is extremely important. It includes the royal families of Europe."

What is their goal?

"Ultimately [their goal is] to bring in what people have termed the New World Order with a man who will hold the world's attention and carry the title The Antichrist. That's the ultimate goal and I am not trying to wax religious on people but that's just the simple fact. When you get into deprogramming people you will see that a lot of the things they have been programmed to do tie in with a very sophisticated plan to unify the world under the reign of the Antichrist."

"James Billington (Fire in the Minds of Men) traces how all the revolutions were started by this occult elite. The term revolution came from the occult idea that we were going to revolve ourselves back to the Golden Age. There is this great quest for the Golden Age, this millenialism. That's what communism is about. If you look at the early founders of communism - they were trying to revolve us back through revolution to the Golden Age that had been lost. ...it's always for a socialistic, communistic type utopia, [a cross between] 1984 and Animal Farm."

Why do they use trauma-based mind control on their own family members?

"It's really essential. If you are going to participate in the Illuminati secret life, being a programmed multiple [personality] is basic. There are a few in the Illuminati who aren't programmed multiples, but considering what one has to participate in. You've got a number of standard rituals involved - St. Weinbald, St. Agnes, Grand Climax, Walpurgis, Beltane, all your solstices and equinoxes, Lamas, All Hallow's Eve, High Grand Climax -- all of these standard rituals. These rituals are very horrific. They involved human sacrifice. Sacrifices of babies on the High Grand Climax. On various Sabbats you've got a young female or a male being sacrificed.

This is not something that the normal mind is going to be able to handle. The mind control and the creation of multiple personalities where you get a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde effect - is very crucial to this thing continuing from generation to generation. They will be trained in alchemy, in Indian sorcery, Druidism, Enochian magik, Gnosticism, Hermetic magik, cabbalism, Plato, Sufism - they will know all the different branches of occult systems."


What is the function of trauma?

"The Illuminati take a small child about two years old, and they begin traumatizing it with the worst traumas that are imaginable so that they can create these amnesia walls. They find these dissociated pieces of the mind that are just like ...floppy disks, then they put in their programming to the dissociated parts of the mind as to what they want that part to become...

The Illuminati can take a particular child and manipulate things from behind the scenes and open all the right doors for this person, and they can get them the grants and the schooling and everything they need and adding impetus to this person's career is the mind control that is steering them in that direction too. The end product is you end up with somebody who is an engineer or a lawyer or a politician who is very highly qualified for what they are doing.

A very conservative estimate - I shouldn't even say estimate because I have computed it from about seven different angles - a conservative figure is 2 million Americans have been programmed with trauma based total mind control."

The Ultimate Goal?

"The whole long-range goal of this, and when I say long-range, it's not going to take them long to get us there at the rate they are going - the end goal of all of this is to eventually create an entire planet of mind controlled slaves that can be controlled by one super computer. They are manipulating our thoughts and our attitudes, and steering us, herding us (they consider us animals - the Illuminati consider themselves god, god men and us to be the animals) they are herding us in the direction they want to us to go."

CONCLUSION

Let's not fall into the Illuminati's divide-and-conquer trap. Springmeier says this is "a war against evil not race." He says like a virtuouso with an old violin, a "master's hand can turn anyone into a beautiful thing." He says that many members of Illuminati families have found Christ and broken free. Similarly many Illuminati dupes, whether Jewish or not, can be reached by a message of Truth and Love. We can all be deprogrammed.
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PS-1 Mel Gibson: Mel Gibson's recent anti-Semitic outburst and recantation reeks of an illuminati mind control stunt designed to discredit Christians and focus attention on Jews. Remember Mel Gibson is an actor. He is also a billionaire. I doubt if there are any billionaires who aren't tied in with the Illuminati. As many Christians recognize, "The Passion of the Christ" is a Satanic film. They used porn stars. I suspect the ADL pretended to object in order to increase its notoriety. Satanists enjoy watching Christ being flayed for 90 minutes. Whatever his father's politics and religion, Mel Gibson is no Christian.

PS-2 Svali, an Illuminati defector, has been reported missing. Does anyone have any information?
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The Illuminati is a useful myth for the Jews.

I have never seen people banned from forums for trashing the so-called Illuminati, but criticise the Jews at your peril. People in Europe go to prison for up to ten years for telling the truth about the HoloHoax.

Now, that's power.

Makow has lost all credibilty in my eyes. He's also a Jew anyway.
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The Illuminati is a useful myth for the Jews.

I have never seen people banned from forums for trashing the so-called Illuminati, but criticise the Jews at your peril. People in Europe go to prison for up to ten years for telling the truth about the HoloHoax.

Now, that's power.

Makow has lost all credibilty in my eyes. He's also a Jew anyway.
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That's the point.

I can go to any forum on the internet and say whatever I want about "secret societies".

I can say anything I want about Muslims.

I can say kill all of those fucking ragheads and bury them in pigs blood.

No prob.

But mention a Jew, and expect the wrath of half of the board.

Why is that?

Because of the Holocaust?

Well then I would like to open a large investigation of this holocaust like the president of Iran does!

Oh, I am not allowed?

Why is that?
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How come racists(anti-semites) pokeye almost never come from successful, loving, and happy families?
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Why is that?

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Because they don't want you to know the truth. Jews have names and faces, and therefore vulnerable.

The illuminati are just shadows in the dark - non existent, so you waste your time trying to fight them. That's what the Jews want you to do.

Makow is an illuminati inside-player.
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Makow is an illuminati inside-player.

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I meant: Makow is a Jew Power inside-player.
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The Illuminati is a useful myth for the Jews.

I have never seen people banned from forums for trashing the so-called Illuminati, but criticise the Jews at your peril. People in Europe go to prison for up to ten years for telling the truth about the HoloHoax.

Now, that's power.

Makow has lost all credibilty in my eyes. He's also a Jew anyway.
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I think it plays right into the hands of the Elitopaths to focus on a particular group as culprits . . . fomenting hatred and division is what gives these creeps power . . . I'm not excusing Israel/ Zionism but there are many Jews who do not go along with the program . . . why indict them?
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Why is that?





Because they don't want you to know the truth. Jews have names and faces, and therefore vulnerable.

The illuminati are just shadows in the dark - non existent, so you waste your time trying to fight them. That's what the Jews want you to do.

Makow is an illuminati inside-player.
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Then name the names and players just as you can name those fronting for the Illuminati/Elitopaths/AssHoleThatBe, whatever you want to call them . . . by trashing a whole group you inculcate the agenda of the world's handlers...
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Then name the names and players

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There are similar lists for government, military and banking (oh, boy, do they own the banks), but here's a PARTIAL list of the Jews who control our media:



Compiled by Jeffrey Blankfort


MORTIMER ZUCKERMAN, owner of NY Daily News, US News & World Report and chair of th! e Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish American Organizations, one of the largest pro-Israel lobbying groups.

LESLIE MOONVES, president of CBS television, great-nephew of David Ben-Gurion, and co-chair with Norman Ornstein of the Advisory Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV Producers, appointed by Clinton.

JONATHAN MILLER, chair and CEO of AOL division of AOL-Time-Warner

NEIL SHAPIRO, president of NBC News

JEFF GASPIN, Executive Vice-President, Programming, NBC

DAVID WESTIN, president of ABC News

SUMNER REDSTONE, CEO of Viacom, "world's biggest media giant" (Economist, 11/23/2) owns Viacom cable, CBS and MTVs all over the world, Blockbuster video rentals and Black Entertainment TV.

MICHAEL EISNER, major owner of Walt Disney, Capitol Cities, ABC.

RUPERT MURDOCH, Owner Fox TV, New York Post, London Times, News of the World (Jewish mother)

MEL KARMAZIN, president of CBS

DON HEWITT, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes, CBS

JEFF FAGER, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes II. CBS

DAVID POLTRACK, Executive Vice-President, Research and Planning, CBS

SANDY KRUSHOW, Chair, Fox Entertainment

LLOYD BRAUN, Chair, ABC Entertainment

BARRY MEYER, chair, Warner Bros.

SHERRY LANSING, President of Paramount Communications and Chairman of Paramount Pictures' Motion Picture Group.

HARVEY WEINSTEIN, CEO. Miramax Films.

BRAD SIEGEL, President, Turner Entertainment.

PETER CHERNIN, second in-command at Rupert Murdoch's News. Corp., owner of Fox TV

MARTY PERETZ, owner and publisher of the New Republic, which openly identifies itself as pro-Israel. Al Gore credits Marty with being his "mentor."

ARTHUR O. SULZBERGER, JR., publisher of the NY Times, the Boston Globe and other publications.

WILLIAM SAFIRE, syndicated columnist for the NYT.

TOM FRIEDMAN, syndicated columnist for the NYT.

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post. Honored by Honest Reporting.com, website monitoring "anti-Israel media."

RICHARD COHEN, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post

JEFF JACOBY, syndicated columnist for the Boston Globe

NORMAN ORNSTEIN, American Enterprise Inst., regular columnist for USA Today, news analyst for CBS, and co-chair with Leslie Moonves of the Advisory Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV Producers, appointed by Clinton.

STEPHEN EMERSON, every media outlet's first choice as an expert on domestic terrorism.

DAVID SCHNEIDERMAN, owner of the Village Voice and the New Times network of "alternative weeklies." DENNIS LEIBOWITZ, head of Act II Partners, a media hedge fund

KENNETH POLLACK, for CIA analysts, director of Saban Center for Middle East Policy, writes op-eds in NY Times, New Yorker

BARRY DILLER, chair of USA Interactive, former owner of Universal Entertainment

KENNETH ROTH, Executive Director of Human Rights Watch

RICHARD LEIBNER, runs the N.S. Bienstock talent agency, which represents 600 news personalities such as Dan Rather, Dianne Sawyer and Bill O'Reilly.

TERRY SEMEL, CEO, Yahoo, former chair, Warner Bros.

MARK GOLIN, VP and Creative Director, AOL

WARREN LIEBERFORD, Pres., Warner Bros. Home Video Div. of AOL- TimeWarner

JEFFREY ZUCKER, President of NBC Entertainment

JACK MYERS, NBC, chief.NYT 5.14.2

SANDY GRUSHOW, chair of Fox Entertainment

GAIL BERMAN, president of Fox Entertainment

STEPHEN SPIELBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks

JEFFREY KATZENBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks

DAVID GEFFEN, co-owner of Dreamworks

LLYOD BRAUN, chair of ABC Entertainment

JORDAN LEVIN, president of Warner Bros. Entertainment

MAX MUTCHNICK, co-executive producer of NBC's "Good Morning Miami"

DAVID KOHAN, co-executive producer of NBC's "Good Morning Miami"

HOWARD STRINGER, chief of Sony Corp. of America

AMY PASCAL, chair of Columbia Pictures

JOEL KLEIN, chair and CEO of Bertelsmann's American operations

ROBERT SILLERMAN, founder of Clear Channel Communications

BRIAN GRADEN, president of MTV entertainment

IVAN SEIDENBERG, CEO of Verizon Communications

WOLF BLITZER, host of CNN's Late Edition

LARRY KING, host of Larry King Live

TED KOPPEL, host of ABC's Nightline

ANDREA KOPPEL, CNN Reporter

PAULA ZAHN, CNN Host

MIKE WALLACE, Host of CBS, 60 Minutes

BARBARA WALTERS, Host, ABC's 20-20

MICHAEL LEDEEN, editor of National Review

BRUCE NUSSBAUM, editorial page editor, Business Week

DONALD GRAHAM, Chair and CEO of Newsweek and Washington Post, son of...

CATHERINE GRAHAM MEYER, former owner of the Washington Post

HOWARD FINEMAN, Chief Political Columnist, Newsweek

WILLIAM KRISTOL, Editor, Weekly Standard, Exec. Director Project for a New American Century (PNAC)

RON ROSENTHAL, Managing Editor, San Francisco Chronicle

PHIL BRONSTEIN, Executive Editor, San Francisco Chronicle,

RON OWENS, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco)

JOHN ROTHMAN, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco)

MICHAEL SAVAGE, Talk Show Host, KFSO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco) Syndicated in 100 markets

MICHAEL MEDVED, Talk Show Host, on 124 AM stations

DENNIS PRAGER, Talk Show Host, nationally syndicated from LA. Has Israeli flag on his home page.

BEN WATTENBERG, Moderator, PBS Think Tank.

ANDREW LACK, president of NBC

DANIEL MENAKER, Executive Director, Harper Collins

DAVID REZNIK, Editor, The New Yorker

NICHOLAS LEHMANN, writer, the New York

HENRICK HERTZBERG, Talk of the Town editor, The New Yorker

SAMUEL NEWHOUSE JR, and DONALD NEWHOUSE own Newhouse Publications, includes 26 newspapers in 22 cities; the Conde Nast magazine group, includes The New Yorker; Parade, the Sunday newspaper supplement; American City Business Journals, business newspapers published in more than 30 major cities in America; and interests in cable television programming and cable systems serving 1 million homes.

DONALD NEWHOUSE, chairman of the board of directors, Associated Press.

PETER R KANN, CEO, Wall Street Journal, Barron's

RALPH J. & BRIAN ROBERTS, Owners, Comcast-ATT Cable TV.

LAWRENCE KIRSHBAUM, CEO, AOL-Time Warner Book Group

And many, many more...

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There are similar lists for government, military and banking (oh, boy, do they own the banks), but here's a PARTIAL list of the Jews who control our media:



Compiled by Jeffrey Blankfort


MORTIMER ZUCKERMAN, owner of NY Daily News, US News & World Report and chair of th! e Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish American Organizations, one of the largest pro-Israel lobbying groups.

LESLIE MOONVES, president of CBS television, great-nephew of David Ben-Gurion, and co-chair with Norman Ornstein of the Advisory Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV Producers, appointed by Clinton.

JONATHAN MILLER, chair and CEO of AOL division of AOL-Time-Warner

NEIL SHAPIRO, president of NBC News

JEFF GASPIN, Executive Vice-President, Programming, NBC

DAVID WESTIN, president of ABC News

SUMNER REDSTONE, CEO of Viacom, "world's biggest media giant" (Economist, 11/23/2) owns Viacom cable, CBS and MTVs all over the world, Blockbuster video rentals and Black Entertainment TV.

MICHAEL EISNER, major owner of Walt Disney, Capitol Cities, ABC.

RUPERT MURDOCH, Owner Fox TV, New York Post, London Times, News of the World (Jewish mother)

MEL KARMAZIN, president of CBS

DON HEWITT, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes, CBS

JEFF FAGER, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes II. CBS

DAVID POLTRACK, Executive Vice-President, Research and Planning, CBS

SANDY KRUSHOW, Chair, Fox Entertainment

LLOYD BRAUN, Chair, ABC Entertainment

BARRY MEYER, chair, Warner Bros.

SHERRY LANSING, President of Paramount Communications and Chairman of Paramount Pictures' Motion Picture Group.

HARVEY WEINSTEIN, CEO. Miramax Films.

BRAD SIEGEL, President, Turner Entertainment.

PETER CHERNIN, second in-command at Rupert Murdoch's News. Corp., owner of Fox TV

MARTY PERETZ, owner and publisher of the New Republic, which openly identifies itself as pro-Israel. Al Gore credits Marty with being his "mentor."

ARTHUR O. SULZBERGER, JR., publisher of the NY Times, the Boston Globe and other publications.

WILLIAM SAFIRE, syndicated columnist for the NYT.

TOM FRIEDMAN, syndicated columnist for the NYT.

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post. Honored by Honest Reporting.com, website monitoring "anti-Israel media."

RICHARD COHEN, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post

JEFF JACOBY, syndicated columnist for the Boston Globe

NORMAN ORNSTEIN, American Enterprise Inst., regular columnist for USA Today, news analyst for CBS, and co-chair with Leslie Moonves of the Advisory Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV Producers, appointed by Clinton.

STEPHEN EMERSON, every media outlet's first choice as an expert on domestic terrorism.

DAVID SCHNEIDERMAN, owner of the Village Voice and the New Times network of "alternative weeklies." DENNIS LEIBOWITZ, head of Act II Partners, a media hedge fund

KENNETH POLLACK, for CIA analysts, director of Saban Center for Middle East Policy, writes op-eds in NY Times, New Yorker

BARRY DILLER, chair of USA Interactive, former owner of Universal Entertainment

KENNETH ROTH, Executive Director of Human Rights Watch

RICHARD LEIBNER, runs the N.S. Bienstock talent agency, which represents 600 news personalities such as Dan Rather, Dianne Sawyer and Bill O'Reilly.

TERRY SEMEL, CEO, Yahoo, former chair, Warner Bros.

MARK GOLIN, VP and Creative Director, AOL

WARREN LIEBERFORD, Pres., Warner Bros. Home Video Div. of AOL- TimeWarner

JEFFREY ZUCKER, President of NBC Entertainment

JACK MYERS, NBC, chief.NYT 5.14.2

SANDY GRUSHOW, chair of Fox Entertainment

GAIL BERMAN, president of Fox Entertainment

STEPHEN SPIELBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks

JEFFREY KATZENBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks

DAVID GEFFEN, co-owner of Dreamworks

LLYOD BRAUN, chair of ABC Entertainment

JORDAN LEVIN, president of Warner Bros. Entertainment

MAX MUTCHNICK, co-executive producer of NBC's "Good Morning Miami"

DAVID KOHAN, co-executive producer of NBC's "Good Morning Miami"

HOWARD STRINGER, chief of Sony Corp. of America

AMY PASCAL, chair of Columbia Pictures

JOEL KLEIN, chair and CEO of Bertelsmann's American operations

ROBERT SILLERMAN, founder of Clear Channel Communications

BRIAN GRADEN, president of MTV entertainment

IVAN SEIDENBERG, CEO of Verizon Communications

WOLF BLITZER, host of CNN's Late Edition

LARRY KING, host of Larry King Live

TED KOPPEL, host of ABC's Nightline

ANDREA KOPPEL, CNN Reporter

PAULA ZAHN, CNN Host

MIKE WALLACE, Host of CBS, 60 Minutes

BARBARA WALTERS, Host, ABC's 20-20

MICHAEL LEDEEN, editor of National Review

BRUCE NUSSBAUM, editorial page editor, Business Week

DONALD GRAHAM, Chair and CEO of Newsweek and Washington Post, son of...

CATHERINE GRAHAM MEYER, former owner of the Washington Post

HOWARD FINEMAN, Chief Political Columnist, Newsweek

WILLIAM KRISTOL, Editor, Weekly Standard, Exec. Director Project for a New American Century (PNAC)

RON ROSENTHAL, Managing Editor, San Francisco Chronicle

PHIL BRONSTEIN, Executive Editor, San Francisco Chronicle,

RON OWENS, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco)

JOHN ROTHMAN, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco)

MICHAEL SAVAGE, Talk Show Host, KFSO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco) Syndicated in 100 markets

MICHAEL MEDVED, Talk Show Host, on 124 AM stations

DENNIS PRAGER, Talk Show Host, nationally syndicated from LA. Has Israeli flag on his home page.

BEN WATTENBERG, Moderator, PBS Think Tank.

ANDREW LACK, president of NBC

DANIEL MENAKER, Executive Director, Harper Collins

DAVID REZNIK, Editor, The New Yorker

NICHOLAS LEHMANN, writer, the New York

HENRICK HERTZBERG, Talk of the Town editor, The New Yorker

SAMUEL NEWHOUSE JR, and DONALD NEWHOUSE own Newhouse Publications, includes 26 newspapers in 22 cities; the Conde Nast magazine group, includes The New Yorker; Parade, the Sunday newspaper supplement; American City Business Journals, business newspapers published in more than 30 major cities in America; and interests in cable television programming and cable systems serving 1 million homes.

DONALD NEWHOUSE, chairman of the board of directors, Associated Press.

PETER R KANN, CEO, Wall Street Journal, Barron's

RALPH J. & BRIAN ROBERTS, Owners, Comcast-ATT Cable TV.

LAWRENCE KIRSHBAUM, CEO, AOL-Time Warner Book Group

And many, many more...

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so, why does makow ignore the third way leftists and the communitarian republicans
these are our local globalists
they may not match up to any "illuminati", but they surely have the same goals, which is global secular humanism
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Makow talks about "secular humanism" in this very article . . . I think his point is that the control mechanism is a bigger picture than most realize and that there are many unwitting tools as well as those who are the puppet masters . . .
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All these companies in America are owned by Jews:



· 3Com Corporation (CA)
· 3M Corp (MN)
· A Epstein & Sons Intl (IL)
· A&W Root Beer
· A.G. Associates (CA)
· A.L. Laboratories
· A.P. Acquisition Inc (TX)
· ADC
· Adkit Inc
· Advanced Medical Systems
· Agra Co Ltd
· AirSep Corporation (Buffalo,NY)
· Ambient
· AMCI International (UT)
· America Online (AOL)
· American Aviation Ltd
· American Intl Group
· American Natl Can Co
· American Partners
· Amiable Technologies (PA)
· Ampal American Israel Corp
· Analog Devices
· BAAN
· Backweb
· Baltimore Spices
· Bankers Trust
· Barnwell Industries Inc
· Baxter Travenol Laboratories Inc
· Bay Network (CA)
· Ben & Jerry's
· Berlitz
· Bindview Development
· BioRad (CA)
· Biotechnology General Corp
· Blockbuster Video
· BMC Software (Houston,TX)
· Boeing
· Boston Scientific
· Boston Systematics Ltd (MA)
· Brink's Incorporated(CT)
· Burger King
· C.A. Computer Associates
· Cable Systems (AZ)
· Cadence (CA)
· Callware Technologies (UT)
· Caltex Petroleum (TX)
· Capital Group Companies (CGL)
· Cardtools Systems Corp (CA)
· Cargill (MN)
· Carnegie International
· Carol Austin Corp
· Carrier Corp
· CBIS (Cincinnati Bell)
· Cede Corp
· Chase Manhattan Corp Bank(NY)
· Chasm Group (CA)
· Chip Express Corp (CA)
· Chipcom Corp (MA)
· Chromalloy Gas Turbine Co (TX)
· Cisco Systems Ltd (CA)
· Citibank (NY)
· D.S.S.I. Inc(NJ)
· Daily Jeans Inc
· Dale Electronics Inc (NE)
· Dalia Ferscher
· Daniel Abrahams
· Data General Corp (MA)
· Davidson Aluminum & Metal(NY)
· Days Inn of America
· Delux Laboratories (CA)
· Deutsch Company Inc(CA)
· DIA Tech Inc
· Digital Equipment Co (DEC)(MA)
· Domino's Pizza Intl
· Donna Karan Company
· Dow Chemicals
· DSP Communications (CA)
· DSP Group Inc (CA)
· Dun & Bradstreet Corp (NY)
· E*TRADE Group (CA)
· E.C.C. Ltd. (NY)
· E.M.K. Investments Ltd.
· Eastman Kodak (NY)
· EDO Corp
· EFI Corp (IN)
· Elf Atochem NA (PA)
· Eli Lilly & Co (Indianapolis)
· Elocot Inc (MD)
· Empire Trust
· Erwin Meltzer
· Eucalyptus Ventures (CA)
· Excalibur Inc (NY)
· Fairchild Inc
· FEI Inc (NY)
· Fibronics Intl Inc (MA)
· Fidelity Medical Inc(NY)
· Fingermatrix (NY)
· Fonar Corp (NY)
· Forstmann Little Co
· Foxboro
· Franklin Templeton Group (CA)
· Frantz Medical Dev Ltd (NY)
· Freeborn Corp
· Fritz Comnpanies Inc (CA)
· Galaxy Aerospace (Pritzker)
· GaSonics (CA)
· GE Capital Services
· Gelman Sciences Inc (M I)
· General Electric
· General Electric Information Services
· General Electric Medical Systems
· General Instrument Corp
· General Microwave Corp (NY)
· General Motors
· General Nutrition
· Genesis Partners
· Genzyme (Massachusetts)
· Geotek Industries Inc (NJ)
· Goldman Sachs
· Gould Computer (NC)
· Graphnet Inc (NJ)
· Greenfield Industries
· Groban Supply Co (IL)
· Guard Quality
· Haagen Dazs Holding Inc
· Hambrecht & Quist (CA)
· Harmonic Light Waves (CA)
· Harris Adacom Corp (TX)
· Harry Newton/Conmputer Tech Expo
· Hasbro Inc
· Healthco Intl Inc (MA)
· Heiman Bros
· Heinz
· HeliOss Communications (MA)
· Hertz Corp
· Hertz Technologies (NY)
· Hewlett Packard (CA)
· Hilton International Co
· Holenberg
· Holiday Inn Worldwide
· Holland & Knight (FL)
· Home Products (Chicago)
· Howard Johnson's Hotels
· Hyatt Intl Corp
· I-Link (UT)
· I-Sight Inc (NY)
· I.B.D.A.
· IBI (with Merrill Lynch)
· IBM (Lotus)
· IDEO (Palo Alto, CA)
· Imation Corp (3M)
· Industries Ltd.
· Informix
· Inserch
· Integral International
· Intel Corp (CA)
· International Paper Inc
· International Telecomm
· ISD(Information Storage Devices)
· Israel Investment Co
· Isratech Ltd (NY)
· J E Seagram Corp (NY)
· J Walter Thompson
· James River Corp
· Janney Montgomery Scott (PA)
· Johnson & Johnson
· Kemp Industries Inc (NJ)
· Kenny Rogers Roasters
· Kentucky Fried Chicken Corp
· Kimberly Clark Corp
· KLA (CA)
· KPMG
· Kulicke & Soffa Industries
· L'Oreal
· Landseas Corp (CT)
· Lehmann Brothers
· Lernout & Hauspie Speech Products (MA)
· Levit & Morrows
· Liberty Electronics (NY)
· LivePicture
· Lockwood Greene (GA)
· LSI Logic (CA)
· Lucent
· Lucent Microelectronics Grp
· Lucent Technologies
· M/A-Com Inc (MA)
· MacAndrews & Forbes (NY)
· MacDermid Inc (CT)
· Madge Networking (CA)
· Man & Hafetz Development(MA)
· Manhattan Bagel (NJ)
· Manpower Inc (WI)
· Marriott Hotels
· Mast Holding Inc (Limited)
· Mast Industries (MA)
· McDonalds Corp
· MCI
· Medical Science Partners
· Medscape
· Memorex Telex Corp(TX)
· Mennen Medical Inc (NY)
· Merck
· Mercury Interactive (CA)
· Meridien International
· Merrill Lynch
· National Education Corp
· National Semiconductor (CA)
· Nations Bank/Montgomery Securities
· NBA
· Negotiator Pro Co
· Netmanage Inc (CA)
· Newbury Ventures (CA)
· Newtronix Systems Inc
· Nippon Industries Inc (NY)
· North Hills Electronics (NY)
· Nostrom Establishment
· Numar Corp (PA)
· Octel Communications (CA)
· Opal Inc (CA)
· Optomic Technologies Corp
· Oracle (CA)
· Oram Corp
· OSCM-One Stop
· Overseas Public Util Gas (NY)
· Paper Board Mills
· Parametric Tech Corp (MA)
· Parexel Intl Corp
· Parsons Corp
· Paul Allen
· Pepsico
· Pfizer
· Pharmos Corp
· Phillip Bros Chem (NJ)
· Picture Vision (VA)
· Pizza Hut Inc
· Planet Hollywood
· Platinum
· Polaroid
· Porta Inc (NY)
· Porter Novelli International
· Pratt & Whitney
· Praxair
· Preagitzer Industries (OR)
· Price Waterhouse
· QualComm (San Diego)
· Racom
· Raddison Hotels Intl
· Ralston Purina Co
· Raychem Corporation (CA)
· Ready Systems Corp (CA)
· Remax Integrity Realtors
· Republic Natl Bank
· Reserve Corp
· Robert Half Intl (NY)
· Robertson Stephens (CA)
· Robomatix Ltd (NJ)
· Rockwell International
· Rogosin Enterprises Ltd (NY)
· Rosh Intelligent Systems (MA)
· Rospatch Inc
· Royal Crown Cola Co
· RSL (Ronald Lauder Group)
· SafeScience (MA)
· Safra National Bank (NY)
· SanDisk (CA)
· Sapiens USA (CA)
· Sara Lee
· Savyon Diagnostics (NY)
· SBP Nederland NV (NY)
· Scientific Components Ltd
· Seattle
· Segnatron Inc (NJ)
· Shamrock Holdings (CA)
· Sheraton Management (MA)
· Shileich Corp
· Sigma-Aldrich Corp (MO)
· Sild Unit Parts Co Inc (NJ)
· Silicon Graphics Inc
· Silvaco Intl Inc (CA)
· Simoden Enterprises Ltd (MI)
· Slant/Fin Corp (NY)
· Smith Barney
· Taco Bell
· Talos Intl Inc
· Tandem Computers
· TBWA
· Tech Export (MA)
· Teledyne Analytical Instr
· Teradyne (Boston)
· Terayon(CA)
· Texas Instruments
· Thames Holding Inc.
· Tower Records
· Tower Semiconductor
· Toys R Us
· Tracor Aerospace Inc(TX)
· Trans Pacific Resources (NY)
· Travelers Group
· Trinity Venture Fund
· Trufot Inc (NY)
· Unicycle Trading Co
· Unisys
· Unisys
· United Guaranty (NC)
· United Intl Holding
· United Technologies Inc (CT)
· Unterberg Tobin
· UPS
· US BankCorp/Piper Jaffray
· US Robotics
· US Software Mgt Co
· Vanity Fair - VF Corp
· Venda 4 (VMA)
· VentureOne
· Victor Carter (CA)
· Vishay Intertechnology(PA)
· Vision Sciences Inc
· Walden VC Fund (CA)
· Warner Communications
· West Point Pepperell Inc
· Weyerhauser Co
· Wind River Systems(CA)
· Witco Corp (NY)
· World Courier Metro Svcs
· WorldWideWeb Networx
· WSI (CA) Semiconductors
· Xsirius Superconductivity
· Zoran Corp (CA)

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Re: The Root of the Problem: Jews or Illuminati?: Makow
calling something "illuminati" makes you look like a wacko
if you call them by their own labels, they can't call you anything but truthful
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Agreed, even though it may be that there is such a consolidated heirarchy running things . . . I don't know but it is conscievable . . . .
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if im being attacked by a pit bull, the immediate problem is the pit bull.

perhaps the dog has an owner, perhaps not ... the simplest explanation is that this is a jewish conspiracy. of course simplest is only better if it is also the more comprehensive it its explanatory power (in some sense)

im not that advanced in my knowledge and understanding yet, im currently at the newtonian level of the theory, later if i comprehend a sufficient enough more to warrant it and it seems necessary i'll go for the general theory/einsteinian thoery
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but, he won't call them by their political names, why not?
maybe he is doing a limited hang out
if I don't see him mention communitarians, I will know he is covering, not exposing anything



so, why does makow ignore the third way leftists and the communitarian republicans
these are our local globalists
they may not match up to any "illuminati", but they surely have the same goals, which is global secular humanism


Makow talks about "secular humanism" in this very article . . . I think his point is that the control mechanism is a bigger picture than most realize and that there are many unwitting tools as well as those who are the puppet masters . . .

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What are "communitarians"? He does say this in the article:

"That's what communism is about. If you look at the early founders of communism - they were trying to revolve us back through revolution to the Golden Age that had been lost. ...it's always for a socialistic, communistic type utopia, [a cross between] 1984 and Animal Farm.""
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communitarians are communists who appeal to republicans
both Bushes are communitarians

you can read more here:
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Okay, thanx . . . My sense is the that communism/fascism are two sides of the same coin and their ultimate agenda is the same: enslavement... both ideologies are used by the PTB to set up a false paradigm, conflict, order out of chaos.
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The Illuminati is a useful myth for the Jews.

I have never seen people banned from forums for trashing the so-called Illuminati, but criticise the Jews at your peril. People in Europe go to prison for up to ten years for telling the truth about the HoloHoax.

Now, that's power.

Makow has lost all credibilty in my eyes. He's also a Jew anyway.
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What I should have said ... and Kaminski's essays are no longer so widely published on the internet after he explicitly named jews as being the conspirators. Kaminski's essays used to appear on rense.com, but no more.
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if im being attacked by a pit bull, the immediate problem is the pit bull.

perhaps the dog has an owner, perhaps not ... the simplest explanation is that this is a jewish conspiracy. of course simplest is only better if it is also the more comprehensive it its explanatory power (in some sense)

im not that advanced in my knowledge and understanding yet, im currently at the newtonian level of the theory, later if i comprehend a sufficient enough more to warrant it and it seems necessary i'll go for the general theory/einsteinian thoery
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I see your point . . . for me it's as difficult to envision a consolidated Jewish conspiracy as it is to see a uniform Illuminati agenda though it is easy to see that Jews have an inordinate amount of control over the banking system and the media, obviously major control mechanisms . . . I also suspect that anything we can see is probably just a front for the "Men in the Shadows" . . . who these killer clowns are is anybody's guess . . .
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The Illuminati is a useful myth for the Jews.

I have never seen people banned from forums for trashing the so-called Illuminati, but criticise the Jews at your peril. People in Europe go to prison for up to ten years for telling the truth about the HoloHoax.

Now, that's power.

Makow has lost all credibilty in my eyes. He's also a Jew anyway.

What I should have said ... and Kaminski's essays are no longer so widely published on the internet after he explicitly named jews as being the conspirators. Kaminski's essays used to appear on rense.com, but no more.
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I used to be a big Kaminski fan and am still on his email list . . . he is an astute observer but I think he has lost perspective and his blanket comments about Jews is exactly what Zionists want to hear for their own propaganda purposes.....
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The Illuminati is a useful myth for the Jews.

I have never seen people banned from forums for trashing the so-called Illuminati, but criticise the Jews at your peril. People in Europe go to prison for up to ten years for telling the truth about the HoloHoax.

Now, that's power.

Makow has lost all credibilty in my eyes. He's also a Jew anyway.
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Actually this is one of the best articles Makow has written....so many have been victims of the psyop that places the blame for the NWO-Illuminati upon the jews....you were supposed to bite and consume that and you did.....to bad.

Cause you will miss the real important stuff when it happens.

Go ahead and stay stuck in your anti-semitic rut....

Its Not the Jews or the Arabs.....can't you people see?????

This surface stuff....is all smoke and mirrors.

Look at America and what the NWO has done....the Patriot Act and NAFTA....do you see where this is going?

No?

Ok.....take a bath in your stupidity.
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globalists are very open about their goals
and they are not all jews
but, they use zionism and radical islam to achieve their global governance goals
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Exactly . . .
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The Illuminati is a useful myth for the Jews.

I have never seen people banned from forums for trashing the so-called Illuminati, but criticise the Jews at your peril. People in Europe go to prison for up to ten years for telling the truth about the HoloHoax.

Now, that's power.

Makow has lost all credibilty in my eyes. He's also a Jew anyway.


Actually this is one of the best articles Makow has written....so many have been victims of the psyop that places the blame for the NWO-Illuminati upon the jews....you were supposed to bite and consume that and you did.....to bad.

Cause you will miss the real important stuff when it happens.

Go ahead and stay stuck in your anti-semitic rut....

Its Not the Jews or the Arabs.....can't you people see?????

This surface stuff....is all smoke and mirrors.

Look at America and what the NWO has done....the Patriot Act and NAFTA....do you see where this is going?

No?

Ok.....take a bath in your stupidity.
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Yes, nicely put . . .
"What if everything you ever believed was tied up in a little box and eaten by cute little snails?"
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and jews are the scapegoat for globalists
don't stop til you get to the string pullers
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Yup
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and jews are the scapegoat for globalists
don't stop til you get to the string pullers
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a lot of people seem to agree with this,
so, who are the "string pullers" ?

Or, is that one of those "I'd have to
kill you" type questions...

lol
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and jews are the scapegoat for globalists
don't stop til you get to the string pullers


a lot of people seem to agree with this,
so, who are the "string pullers" ?

Or, is that one of those "I'd have to
kill you" type questions...

lol
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Ultimately they could be:

alien7

Even more ultimately they are us . . .
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Even more ultimately they are us . . .
-- rosswave


that one gets my vote !

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Okay guys.

I'll throw a wrench in your quest then.

Who is the most powerfull "illuminati", or "globalist", or "NWO guy", or what ever label you like.

Rothschild.

We can agree on at least that, right?

Rothchild is a MADE UP name, it means "red shield", and the Rothchild family is actually the Bauer family, a Jewish family.

The first Bauer to change his name to "red shield" was Mayer Amschel Bauer.
The imperialists see extremists everywhere. It's not that we are extremists. It's that the world is waking up. It's waking up all over. And people are standing up.

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Hi 19.47IQ I recognize you by the answering with one single icon always. I'll dob on you with your bosses at the mossad, that you are not taking time to give at least a half baked asnwer. Now it is not the BS flag? Just like idol. Could recognize her anywhere by th role of toilet paper.
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globalists are not "us"
we are their future barnyard animals
i am sure they have other plans for themselves
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I was speaking in the more esoteric sense of us all having a shadow side . . . the more we deny it, the more we are subject to the manipulations of the shadows outside of us.....
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