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Question EVERYTHING (OP) Traveler In The Matrix User ID: 64421009 United States 12/16/2014 11:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Last Edited by Question EVERYTHING on 12/17/2014 08:45 AM First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. ~ Mahatma Gandhi "Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever." ~ George Orwell "The exact level of tyranny that you're going to live under, is the level of tyranny you put up with." ~Thomas Jefferson "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. ~ Thomas Jefferson |
s. d. butler User ID: 974819 United States 12/16/2014 11:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Glad you posted this. Regardless of ideology torture and a government that has torture as an official policy is a very bad thing. No one has more contempt for feinstein and her ilk than I do. But that isn't the point. I don't have the link but the CIA can't point to a single real world success for torture. No matter how much obfuscating and dissembling they do. Here are the conclusions. The Committee makes the following findings and conclusions: 1. The CIA's use of its enhanced interrogation techniques was not an effective means of acquiring intelligences or gaining cooperation for detainees. 2. The CIA's justification for the use of its enhanced interrogation techniques rest on inaccurate claims of the effectiveness. 3. The interrogations of CIA detainees were brutal and far worse than the CIA represented to policymakers and others. 4. The conditions of confinement for CIA detainees were harsher than the CIA had represented to policymakers and others . 5. The CIA repeatedly provided inaccurate information to the Department of Justice, impeding a proper legal analysis of the CIA's Detention and Interrogation Program. 6 The CIA has actively avoided or impeded congressional oversight of the program. 7. The CIA impeded effective White House oversight and decision-making. 8. The CIA's operation and management of the program complicated, and in some cases impeded, the national security missions of other Executive Branch agencies. 9. The CIA impeded oversight by the CIA's Office of Inspector General. 10. The CIA coordinated the release of classified information to the media, including inaccurate information concerning the effectiveness of the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques. 11. The CIA was unprepared as it began operating its Detention and Interrogation Program more than six months after being granted detention authorities. 12. The CIA's management and operation of its Detention and Interrogation Program was deeply flawed throughout the program's duration, particularly so in 2002 and early 2003. 13. Two contract psychologists devised the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques and played a central role in the operation, assessments, and management of the CIA's Detention and Interrogation Program. By 2005, the CIA had overwhelmingly outsourced operations related to the program. 14. CIA detainees were subjected to coercive interrogation techniques that had not been approved by the Department of Justice or had not been authorized by CIA Headquarters. 15. The CIA did not conduct a comprehensive or accurate accounting of the number of individuals it detained, and held individuals who did not meet the legal standard for detention. The CIA's claims about the number of detainees held and subjected to its enhanced interrogation techniques were inaccurate. 16. The CIA failed to adequately evaluate the effectiveness of its enhanced interrogation techniques. 17. The CIA rarely reprimanded or held personnel accountable for serious and significant violations, inappropriate activities, and systemic and individual management failures. 18. The CIA marginalized and ignored numerous internal critiques, criticisms, and objections concerning the operation and management of the CIA's Detention and Interrogation Program. 19. The CIA's Detention and Interrogation Program was inherently unsustainable and had effectively ended by 2006 due to unauthorized press disclosures, reduced cooperation from other nations, and legal and oversight concerns. 2o. The CIA's Detention and Interrogation Program damaged the United States' standing in the world, and resulted in other significant monetary and non-monetary costs. I suggest torture advocates read this and the original post with their ideological blinders off. Last Edited by s. d. butler on 12/16/2014 11:45 PM |
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Question EVERYTHING (OP) Traveler In The Matrix User ID: 64421009 United States 12/16/2014 11:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Glad you posted this. Regardless of ideology torture and a government that has torture as an official policy is a very bad thing. No one has more contempt for feinstein and her ilk than I do. But that isn't the point. Quoting: s. d. butler I don't have the link but the CIA can't point to a single real world success for torture. No matter how much obfuscating and dissembling they do. Here are the conclusions. The Committee makes the following findings and conclusions: 1. The CIA's use of its enhanced interrogation techniques was not an effective means of acquiring intelligences or gaining cooperation for detainees. 2. The CIA's justification for the use of its enhanced interrogation techniques rest on inaccurate claims of the effectiveness. 3. The interrogations of CIA detainees were brutal and far worse than the CIA represented to policymakers and others. 4. The conditions of confinement for CIA detainees were harsher than the CIA had represented to policymakers and others . 5. The CIA repeatedly provided inaccurate information to the Department of Justice, impeding a proper legal analysis of the CIA's Detention and Interrogation Program. 6 The CIA has actively avoided or impeded congressional oversight of the program. 7. The CIA impeded effective White House oversight and decision-making. 8. The CIA's operation and management of the program complicated, and in some cases impeded, the national security missions of other Executive Branch agencies. 9. The CIA impeded oversight by the CIA's Office of Inspector General. 10. The CIA coordinated the release of classified information to the media, including inaccurate information concerning the effectiveness of the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques. 11. The CIA was unprepared as it began operating its Detention and Interrogation Program more than six months after being granted detention authorities. 12. The CIA's management and operation of its Detention and Interrogation Program was deeply flawed throughout the program's duration, particularly so in 2002 and early 2003. 13. Two contract psychologists devised the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques and played a central role in the operation, assessments, and management of the CIA's Detention and Interrogation Program. By 2005, the CIA had overwhelmingly outsourced operations related to the program. 14. CIA detainees were subjected to coercive interrogation techniques that had not been approved by the Department of Justice or had not been authorized by CIA Headquarters. 15. The CIA did not conduct a comprehensive or accurate accounting of the number of individuals it detained, and held individuals who did not meet the legal standard for detention. The CIA's claims about the number of detainees held and subjected to its enhanced interrogation techniques were inaccurate. 16. The CIA failed to adequately evaluate the effectiveness of its enhanced interrogation techniques. 17. The CIA rarely reprimanded or held personnel accountable for serious and significant violations, inappropriate activities, and systemic and individual management failures. 18. The CIA marginalized and ignored numerous internal critiques, criticisms, and objections concerning the operation and management of the CIA's Detention and Interrogation Program. 19. The CIA's Detention and Interrogation Program was inherently unsustainable and had effectively ended by 2006 due to unauthorized press disclosures, reduced cooperation from other nations, and legal and oversight concerns. 2o. The CIA's Detention and Interrogation Program damaged the United States' standing in the world, and resulted in other significant monetary and non-monetary costs. I suggest torture advocates read this and the original post with their ideological blinders off. Thanks. Nice summery. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. ~ Mahatma Gandhi "Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever." ~ George Orwell "The exact level of tyranny that you're going to live under, is the level of tyranny you put up with." ~Thomas Jefferson "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. ~ Thomas Jefferson |
Question EVERYTHING (OP) Traveler In The Matrix User ID: 64421009 United States 12/16/2014 11:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is my father... First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. ~ Mahatma Gandhi "Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever." ~ George Orwell "The exact level of tyranny that you're going to live under, is the level of tyranny you put up with." ~Thomas Jefferson "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. ~ Thomas Jefferson |
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Question EVERYTHING (OP) Traveler In The Matrix User ID: 65690287 United States 12/17/2014 08:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. ~ Mahatma Gandhi "Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever." ~ George Orwell "The exact level of tyranny that you're going to live under, is the level of tyranny you put up with." ~Thomas Jefferson "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. ~ Thomas Jefferson |