So Mr Darwin, how did the 'evolution' thingy NON-intelligently 'teach' vines how to climb? Stupid question Chuck?

Well, at least you admit it.

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Hey OP,

For example, I only need to use the bible to disprove the bible.

SLAVERY

Genesis 17:12

"And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised."

Exodus 21:1

"Now these are the ordinances which you shall set before them. When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's and he shall go out alone. But if the slave plainly says, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,' then his master shall bring him to God, and he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him for life."

I have over a dozen rules on slavery that proves GOD loves slavery. "Here is the thing that I would like to help you understand: You, as a rational human being, know that slavery is wrong. You know it. That is why every single developed nation in the world has made slavery completely illegal. Human beings make slavery illegal, in direct defiance of God's word, because we all know with complete certainty that slavery is an abomination."

To kill or not to kill. That is the question:

Exodus 31:11

"Then he [Moses] said to them, "This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' " The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died."

"So... one minute we have God carving into stone, "Thou shalt not kill." Then the next minute we have God telling each man to strap a sword to his side and lay waste to thousands. Wouldn't you expect the almighty ruler of the universe to be slightly more consistent than this? 3,000 dead people is a lot of commandment breaking. Obviously that is a total contradiction. The reason why you find contradictions like that in the Bible is because God is imaginary."

DO I need to show you 48 other reasons using your own bible that religion is the biggest scam in human history?

NO need to even mention the worst of the worst- ISLAM

Removing both God and Darwin from this, because your question related to neither. The process is called "photosynthesis" you should look it up. Plant's grow towards the light. ALL OF THEM. They try to reach out, lean over etc so they get more light, and yes, this includes climbing upwards, or even sideways, to get it. Do they somehow "intuit" where the light is by some intelligence? No, its a simple matter of photosynthesis..."that area up top is doing well, let's grow more plant parts up there!" It's pretty basic. The plant doesn't think about it, it just gets more nutrients from a direction and moves towards that direction.

It's funny how even the crazy GLP christians are staying out of this one.

So simple to understand, yet because you are brainwashed, you refuse to believe it. THE DEFINITION OF COGNITIVE DISSONANCE!

[link to godisimaginary.com]

Oh here we go, the opposite end of the spectrum. The atheist, the pot calling the kettle black.

Do you realise that atheism is based on just about as much evidence as religion? We cannot know if God exists, so it is stupid to say he does or he doesn't.

So what is the point of your post?

Evolution does occur (it is obvious by observation) and adds to the function of the evolving being. Evolution does not address the origin of the being.

And, yes, plants do have consciousness / intelligence. Not to be compared directly to a human consciousness. Humans need one variety of consciousness to progress, plants need another.

Did you not read my post? Or do you lack reading comprehension like DGN?

I said, "we can't know for sure if there is a god or if there is no god."

God is not the problem, RELIGION IS!

So plants know they exist, without minds?

Right, just as God foretold;
"All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
4 I solemnly charge you before God and Christ Jesus, who is destined to judge the living and the dead, and by his manifestation and his kingdom, 2 preach the word, be at it urgently in favorable season, in troublesome season, reprove, reprimand, exhort, with all long-suffering and [art of] teaching. 3 For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, whereas they will be turned aside to false stories. 5 You, though, keep your senses in all things, suffer evil, do [the] work of an evangelizer, fully accomplish your ministry." 2Ti3:16

Atheism is a lack of believe in any deities.
It is not a claim of knowledge.
It therefore does not require evidence.

We recognize the brain as being "physical" although the mind is considered "non-physical" and may exist as a "field" around the brain. (A "field" does not actually have a "boundary" and therefore may exist at great distances from the "brain"). Whether plants are self aware is not clear although plants respond in ways that suggest that they have a "mind". Research Cleve Backster for an interesting read.

Correction: ... plants respond in ways that suggest that they have "consciousness".

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

You say this as you link to GodIsImaginary.com

I've never heard of anything being assembled by 'snapping', no matter how simple.

So... sy/fy cult of evolution... is this technology or just a random chance fluke..... or do you not know the difference?

And that pretty much sums up all your bullshit in evolution related topics.

Atheism is a religion for the stupid and gullible. The end.

You don't have to believe me.
I know you don't and you won't.
Just like you don't believe any history book.
You probably don't even believe or actually know what happened in the last two centuries alone, on the subject of atheism and its great benefits it provided to mankind.

Then again, the evotards have already coined a new term, being atheism is dead and it's time for new atheism.

Hooray for the evotards!

Atheism, intellectual fools gold?
Consider an atheist's own admission;
QUOTE: "Atheism is a lack of believe in any deities.
It is not a claim of knowledge.
It therefore does not require evidence."

Echos of the theory of 'evolution'?

When will you people understand that you have no idea what the actual theory of evolution is? Learning it from christian teachers at school 10+ years ago does not cut it.

Go DGN. A person with true brass balls going up against "satans finest."

The theory is cells fail to replicate according to specific blueprints to interface with other cells/organs and perform their specific function within the organism. The mutating dysfunctional blobs are thought to produce more sophisticated cells and entirely new bigger and better organs, with all circulatory/respiratory/muscular/neurological systems connecting with no dna direction, just sheer luck. Eventually with massive mutational replication glitches the creature turns into an entirely new bigger and better species altogether. Like how the more wrecks a car has the better it gets until it turns into an even bigger and better model, like this;

We have already witnessed a population of lizards evolve a new organ (as well as other changes) for help digesting a new food source over a few decades when it was intentionally isolated on an island a few decades ago. It is natural selection, not just sheer luck. [link to phys.org]

No, cars do not reproduce. And evolution is at the population level not individual level. An animal is not going to give birth to something that the parent is not. Dogs will give birth to dogs, cows will give birth to cows, cats will give birth to cats. If 2 dogs mated and gave birth to a non-dog evolution would be debunked, and would put question marks on everything we think we know....



Evolution is not about evolving new organs and becoming new and better species. Its what has happened but that is not the theory itself.. (in the case of "better species" it would mean better adapted populations). It is just change over time, what you would call microevolution or what some people call adaptation. It is all evolution. Evolution is evolution.

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Did vegetation in the lizard's stomach rewrite it's dna to enable building Cecal valves or was the data already there, triggered by extended consumption of vegetation?

Evolution is not about evolving.

Keep up the excellent work Nachos.

From the primordial soup to a human being requires what then :o?

QUOTE; "Evolution is not about evolving new organs and becoming new and better species. Its what has happened but that is not the theory itself.. (in the case of "better species" it would mean better adapted populations). It is just change over time, what you would call microevolution or what some people call adaptation. It is all evolution. Evolution is evolution."
Nachos, did somebody stick an egg beater in your ear and scramble your brains? God equips creatures with a limited range of adaption for changes in diet and weather but they don't turn into a whole new species. This has never happened, there has never been one single fossil trail of anything ever turning into something better, not even if they make a wish upon a star.