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Raeneske (OP) User ID: 62648059 United States 01/23/2015 12:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Matthew 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Nothing in the Great Law given at Mount Sinai has changed. Each and every commandment is still in force. To change the Sabbath to mean that it doesn't really mean a day, but a person, is to change jots and tittles in the law. Where is a day ever a person in the Scriptures? Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 45871778 United States 01/23/2015 01:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Bible was written for all of mankind and all are under its authority. However, the believer is not under the law but,under grace. The law demonstrated that no one could possibly keep the law " if you offend the law in one part you offend them all".. This is why Christ had to come and pay the penalty for sins of his people. The law,temple worship,animal sacrifice,feasts,traditions of men could not save anyone. |
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**Watcher** User ID: 67218164 United States 01/23/2015 01:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If we become regenerated by God's spirit the "works" that are done is the result of Christ within us, we cannot take any credit. If we attempt to obey the law or perform works in and of ourselves then, our efforts are in vain and we remain under the judgment of God.. Our righteousness is of filthy rags. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45871778 I totally agree with this! "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." Romans 10:9 "It will be good for those servants whose master finds them WATCHING when he comes..."Luke 12:37 <"}}}>< (me) ><{{{"> <"}}}>< |
Raeneske (OP) User ID: 62648059 United States 01/23/2015 01:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Bible was written for all of mankind and all are under its authority. However, the believer is not under the law but,under grace. The law demonstrated that no one could possibly keep the law " if you offend the law in one part you offend them all".. This is why Christ had to come and pay the penalty for sins of his people. The law,temple worship,animal sacrifice,feasts,traditions of men could not save anyone. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45871778 Faith in Christ is more than believing that Christ died for our sins. Faith in Christ is believing that He frees us from sin. There is no reason why the believer cannot keep the law. Christ gives us the strength and grace to obey. John 8:34-36 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. 1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Either we are freed from sin (breaking the law) or we are not free from sin. We either are servants of righteousness, or we are servants of sin. There is no intermediate stage. We are either one or the other. If we become regenerated by God's spirit the "works" that are done is the result of Christ within us, we cannot take any credit. If we attempt to obey the law or perform works in and of ourselves then, our efforts are in vain and we remain under the judgment of God.. Our righteousness is of filthy rags. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45871778 Exactly, the works done are a result of Christ within us. We cannot take credit. Christ gives us the strength to obey each and every single commandment. Faith in Christ does not only mean belief that He died for our sins, but also that He has freed us from sin. We are no longer servants to breaking God's law, but we are servants to righteousness. |
Life and Love User ID: 66947686 United States 01/23/2015 01:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If we become regenerated by God's spirit the "works" that are done is the result of Christ within us, we cannot take any credit. If we attempt to obey the law or perform works in and of ourselves then, our efforts are in vain and we remain under the judgment of God.. Our righteousness is of filthy rags. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45871778 I totally agree with this! It's a "Dead or Alive" issue. We are "dead" when we are unresponsive to God. We are "alive" when we are. So, a faith without "works" (being responsive to God) is a dead faith. We become like that to which we are devoted. - Choose wisely. |
Blitz the storm-striker User ID: 67083127 Canada 01/23/2015 01:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If we become regenerated by God's spirit the "works" that are done is the result of Christ within us, we cannot take any credit. If we attempt to obey the law or perform works in and of ourselves then, our efforts are in vain and we remain under the judgment of God.. Our righteousness is of filthy rags. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45871778 I totally agree with this! It's a "Dead or Alive" issue. We are "dead" when we are unresponsive to God. We are "alive" when we are. So, a faith without "works" (being responsive to God) is a dead faith. dead faith can also be seen positively.. as a faith that never changes state! dead memory can only be readed and it last forever! Live memory is constantly writing after it has been readed, it only last a very short moment. The dreaming patterns allows us to turn live memory into dead memory in our soul to keep it forever! God would rather love seeing humanity having faith in thy selves then having faith in God...What is that gonna bring to wait forever for god to change your life... Waiting triggers waiting pattern and nothing ever happens in your existance. To live is to believe in the power of dreams! To dream is to believe in the power of love! To love is to Know the truth! The Desire to Be fuel the belief that you Are which ignite the Will to Become which bring back forth the desire to be... Let it be-come you! It means Stop seeking your higher self! It is seeking you! Stand still in your mind to calm the waters of your mind and then it shall find you, so you can ride those waves together! your true self lies somewhere between your heart and your consciousness. It is called the heart consciousness,which is the creator, which is you! The heart create the emotions and our mind evoke its purpose, from which we dream the life we live in order to imagine the nature of reality and finally remember love! The highest Purpose of our mind is the ability to Forget! Go on and Forgive yourself! There is no love in truth but there is truth in love! Be authentic, nobody else can do it for you! |
Life and Love User ID: 66947686 United States 01/23/2015 01:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If we become regenerated by God's spirit the "works" that are done is the result of Christ within us, we cannot take any credit. If we attempt to obey the law or perform works in and of ourselves then, our efforts are in vain and we remain under the judgment of God.. Our righteousness is of filthy rags. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45871778 I totally agree with this! It's a "Dead or Alive" issue. We are "dead" when we are unresponsive to God. We are "alive" when we are. So, a faith without "works" (being responsive to God) is a dead faith. dead faith can also be seen positively.. as a faith that never changes state! I don't find evidence of that in Scripture, however. We become like that to which we are devoted. - Choose wisely. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 65583839 Canada 01/23/2015 01:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If we become regenerated by God's spirit the "works" that are done is the result of Christ within us, we cannot take any credit. If we attempt to obey the law or perform works in and of ourselves then, our efforts are in vain and we remain under the judgment of God.. Our righteousness is of filthy rags. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45871778 right on brother; praise Jesus. |
No Dhimmi User ID: 13791978 United States 01/23/2015 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Galatians 3 1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: ALL relevant scriptures that include a time factor prove no pre-trib rapture. Over 50 verses! Kindle Edition only 99 CENTS! Biblical Eschatological “Time-Stamps” Relevant to the Last Day/Days (Amazon) |
Blitz the storm-striker User ID: 67083127 Canada 01/23/2015 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's a "Dead or Alive" issue. We are "dead" when we are unresponsive to God. We are "alive" when we are. So, a faith without "works" (being responsive to God) is a dead faith. dead faith can also be seen positively.. as a faith that never changes state! I don't find evidence of that in Scripture, however. script-Lure The words of man are as empty as their shell. The words of God are fullfilled of truth. Do not mistake Scripture for the words of God... they are words of man.. Words don'T teach anything. the words of god is the spirit of god. Too many people put so much faith in the scripture that they actaully elevate the scripture in their mind Above themselves...and do not allow their own free will to receive the love from God. The human is far higher then the words of man.. do not put the words of man in the way of god spirit or else all that you will intuitivly conceive will be suiting the purpose of man and not of God. To live is to believe in the power of dreams! To dream is to believe in the power of love! To love is to Know the truth! The Desire to Be fuel the belief that you Are which ignite the Will to Become which bring back forth the desire to be... Let it be-come you! It means Stop seeking your higher self! It is seeking you! Stand still in your mind to calm the waters of your mind and then it shall find you, so you can ride those waves together! your true self lies somewhere between your heart and your consciousness. It is called the heart consciousness,which is the creator, which is you! The heart create the emotions and our mind evoke its purpose, from which we dream the life we live in order to imagine the nature of reality and finally remember love! The highest Purpose of our mind is the ability to Forget! Go on and Forgive yourself! There is no love in truth but there is truth in love! Be authentic, nobody else can do it for you! |
Life and Love User ID: 66947686 United States 01/23/2015 01:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Life and Love It's a "Dead or Alive" issue. We are "dead" when we are unresponsive to God. We are "alive" when we are. So, a faith without "works" (being responsive to God) is a dead faith. dead faith can also be seen positively.. as a faith that never changes state! I don't find evidence of that in Scripture, however. script-Lure The words of man are as empty as their shell. The words of God are fullfilled of truth. Do not mistake Scripture for the words of God... they are words of man.. Words don'T teach anything. the words of god is the spirit of god. Too many people put so much faith in the scripture that they actaully elevate the scripture in their mind Above themselves...and do not allow their own free will to receive the love from God. The human is far higher then the words of man.. do not put the words of man in the way of god spirit or else all that you will intuitivly conceive will be suiting the purpose of man and not of God. Gotta love those non sequitor replies. :) We become like that to which we are devoted. - Choose wisely. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 45871778 United States 01/23/2015 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who told you that? Why do you believe it? Where does it say it? Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. Sabbath is incorrect translation, it is " Sabbath's ". If we are in Christ everyday is a Sabbath, not just one day of the week which for many becomes legalism. |
Life and Love User ID: 66947686 United States 01/23/2015 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who told you that? Why do you believe it? Where does it say it? Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. Sabbath is incorrect translation, it is " Sabbath's ". If we are in Christ everyday is a Sabbath, not just one day of the week which for many becomes legalism. Sabbaths (without the apostrophe) Because there were two that week. We become like that to which we are devoted. - Choose wisely. |
Raeneske (OP) User ID: 62648059 United States 01/23/2015 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sabbath is incorrect translation, it is " Sabbath's ". If we are in Christ everyday is a Sabbath, not just one day of the week which for many becomes legalism. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45871778 Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. So, according to you, the seventh day is not the Sabbath of the Lord, but every day is. Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. |
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Raeneske (OP) User ID: 62648059 United States 01/23/2015 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, but that should not matter. Truth is truth. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 45871778 United States 01/23/2015 02:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sabbath is incorrect translation, it is " Sabbath's ". If we are in Christ everyday is a Sabbath, not just one day of the week which for many becomes legalism. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45871778 Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. So, according to you, the seventh day is not the Sabbath of the Lord, but every day is. Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Not according to me but, what the Bible teaches. The Sabbath means " To Rest", our rest is in Christ alone, Christ within us. |
Raeneske (OP) User ID: 62648059 United States 01/23/2015 02:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not according to me but, what the Bible teaches. The Sabbath means " To Rest", our rest is in Christ alone, Christ within us. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45871778 Sabbath is not the only word found in the fourth commandment. It also says the seventh day "...the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God...". Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 7th day does not equal every day. Nowhere in the Scriptures does a day = a personal being. Last Edited by DGenesis1:29 on 01/23/2015 02:12 PM |
No Dhimmi User ID: 13791978 United States 01/23/2015 02:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Romans 14 14 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand. 5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister[a]? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. 11 It is written: “‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord, ‘every knee will bow before me; every tongue will acknowledge God.’” 12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God. 13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. 14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. 15 If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let what you know is good be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval. 19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall. 22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.[c] ALL relevant scriptures that include a time factor prove no pre-trib rapture. Over 50 verses! Kindle Edition only 99 CENTS! Biblical Eschatological “Time-Stamps” Relevant to the Last Day/Days (Amazon) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 45871778 United States 01/23/2015 02:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not according to me but, what the Bible teaches. The Sabbath means " To Rest", our rest is in Christ alone, Christ within us. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45871778 Sabbath is not the only word found in the fourth commandment. It also says the seventh day "...the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God...". Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 7th day does not equal every day. The Bible is a spiritual book in parabolic language and behind every word ( original text ) has spiritual meaning. If Christ is truly within us he is with us every moment and we belong to him. He who has ears ( spiritual ) let him hear. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61333785 United States 01/23/2015 02:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Bible was written for all of mankind and all are under its authority. However, the believer is not under the law but,under grace. The law demonstrated that no one could possibly keep the law " if you offend the law in one part you offend them all".. This is why Christ had to come and pay the penalty for sins of his people. The law,temple worship,animal sacrifice,feasts,traditions of men could not save anyone. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45871778 A sinful person can't get into heaven (a perfect place), no? |
No Dhimmi User ID: 13791978 United States 01/23/2015 02:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To add anything to the work that Christ did for salvation is to negate God’s grace. We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, not by returning to the Law. “I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing” (Galatians 2:21). ALL relevant scriptures that include a time factor prove no pre-trib rapture. Over 50 verses! Kindle Edition only 99 CENTS! Biblical Eschatological “Time-Stamps” Relevant to the Last Day/Days (Amazon) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 45871778 United States 01/23/2015 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Bible was written for all of mankind and all are under its authority. However, the believer is not under the law but,under grace. The law demonstrated that no one could possibly keep the law " if you offend the law in one part you offend them all".. This is why Christ had to come and pay the penalty for sins of his people. The law,temple worship,animal sacrifice,feasts,traditions of men could not save anyone. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45871778 A sinful person can't get into heaven (a perfect place), no? An un-regenerated spirit will not inherit eternal life. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61328538 United States 01/23/2015 02:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain. For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. These scriptures seem to indicate observing any day as more special than the rest is bondage. I tend to see everyday as an opportunity to seek His holiness and righteousness. However, I could be wrong. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 45871778 United States 01/23/2015 02:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To add anything to the work that Christ did for salvation is to negate God’s grace. We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, not by returning to the Law. “I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing” (Galatians 2:21). Quoting: No Dhimmi That would include the false teaching by the corporate churches of accepting Christ, which is a work in and of itself. |