not sure how to proceed with this 18 year old...

Yes you are robbing the cradle and hell is waiting for you too!!

All men want an 18 year old and that's normal. Perfectly normal.

Older men are good for young girls, we can treat them well, provide for them and teach them some things about life.

She's shown enough interest, but she may be nervous and not sure what to do. We get along and have things in common. She's way better than most 18 year olds that are admittedly really stupid and immature.

im in my lower 30s.

she is 18, virgin, sheltered, inexperienced.

been on about four dates, talk almost everyday via facebook.

she's kind of aloof. smart, nerdy, very nice, but emotionally it's like this wall. like the girl exists in a state of detachment or her "own world".

talks to me, but doesn't show much interest in me as a person. i don't like that. talks about herself a lot.

i haven't made any moves, but ive been a little flirtatious, called her a few cute names.

she made something for me, but forgot to bring it on the date. that said, she's made the same thing for two of my friends, and making this girl i know yet another of these things. so it's like my thing is semi-special, and totally forgot to even give it to me or bring it for the date.

i feel like it's time to be bold.

i like this girl. but i feel like im going to have to shake things up -- push a little harder for that physical / emotional closeness.

i feel like i need to do something to push the boundaries a little, break through that wall that's up.

any thots on how to go about that? (and plz save the stuff about how she's young and im old and gross, save it, i don't need to hear that crap the ageists and feminists)

Did you ever think she may be NERVOUS because she thinks you are too old and creeping her out?

My daughter is 13 and she even knows that kind opf age difference is wrong.

YOU need some serious therapy, sounds like you want someone to control and "teach" what you like. Maybe she doesn't want to be your puppet...ever stop to think about that?

Wish I knew this girl, I'd talk some sense into her for sure!

Dude, you sound pathetic.

It's one thing if say a man is 60 and he's dating a woman in her 40s, but in your situation, you're interested in the girl either because you are a loser and can't get anyone remotely in your age bracket OR being 'young', she is some sort of trophy girlfriend to you. No 30-something person has any business with an 18 year old.

Joe Biden is that you?

Dude, you sound pathetic.

It's one thing if say a man is 60 and he's dating a woman in her 40s, but in your situation, you're interested in the girl either because you are a loser and can't get anyone remotely in your age bracket OR being 'young', she is some sort of trophy girlfriend to you. No 30-something person has any business with an 18 year old.

im in my lower 30s.

she is 18, virgin, sheltered, inexperienced.

been on about four dates, talk almost everyday via facebook.

she's kind of aloof. smart, nerdy, very nice, but emotionally it's like this wall. like the girl exists in a state of detachment or her "own world".

talks to me, but doesn't show much interest in me as a person. i don't like that. talks about herself a lot.

i haven't made any moves, but ive been a little flirtatious, called her a few cute names.

she made something for me, but forgot to bring it on the date. that said, she's made the same thing for two of my friends, and making this girl i know yet another of these things. so it's like my thing is semi-special, and totally forgot to even give it to me or bring it for the date.

i feel like it's time to be bold.

i like this girl. but i feel like im going to have to shake things up -- push a little harder for that physical / emotional closeness.

i feel like i need to do something to push the boundaries a little, break through that wall that's up.

any thots on how to go about that? (and plz save the stuff about how she's young and im old and gross, save it, i don't need to hear that crap the ageists and feminists)

You can't ever let a girl know you care more than her.

If she's showing signs of not caring as much as I do, I need to back off.

Once they know you care, they have "hand" and will pick at you like a voodoo doll.

how am i a pedo? she's an adult

She's only an adult according to Congress, and we all know how Congress gets things right. /sarcasm

The human brain isn't fully developed until the age of 25.

That's why car insurance costs more under that age - those under 25 don't have the full capacity to know what is smart to do and what isn't.

It's not guaranteed that those over 25 do much better.