Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 1,313 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 797,780
Pageviews Today: 947,572Threads Today: 219Posts Today: 3,021
07:02 AM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...

 
Böze_Tante

User ID: 67651162
Germany
02/03/2015 06:30 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
Jacek Saryusz-Wolski @JSaryuszWolski
"Russian refusal 2 help implement Minsk agr. may leave Western countries with no choice but 2 deliver defense equip."
[link to www.spiegel.de]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52035693


Oh, that's new, the comments are hidden when you don't sign in ... I will look for the German article.
The main reason for my wish to change this society is that so many human skills have no chance to come to fruition. Instead they are used in a really sick way that people are maintaining their own suffering from wars, hunger and illness. But it cannot be changed “top-down”, only in some kind of “grassroots revolution” or better “evolution” where more and more people work together to get rid of TPTB (whoever that is).
No need for a “big event” but a development. One of my ideas to reach it:
Don’t play “their” games - don’t use “their” rules - don’t think in the box of “their” paradigms.
It’s more “refuse” than “resist” - without too much ideology. You don't need to know much about "what's going on behind the curtains", it's mainly to create your own rules together with likeminded people.
That is what I mean with “I’m on the side of the people”.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 52036214
02/03/2015 06:31 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
The numerous Russian shills and hasbara trolls all will tell you that Ukraine doesnt deserve to exist despite it's declared independence in the late 1990's.

They are also the same shills that endlessly and repeatedly try to convince you that America and Americans doesn't deserve to exist either.

Is there a connection?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60286568


Oh, come on! Stop whining. Nobody says US shouldn't exist. I say fuck it, that's all. Because so much hypocrisy is disgusting.
Tamonten

User ID: 34754802
Russian Federation
02/03/2015 06:31 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
Lev Vershinin speculates Moscow (i.e. Russian government) has run out of patience and stopped forcing DPR and LPR to be friendly with Kiev.
[link to putnik1.livejournal.com]

I do not necessary agree with him, but he did predict some of the event of last year.

N.B. In his posts Vershinin is refusing to name Kiev and Dnepropetrovsk by its names. As long as junta is in power there he calls them after notoriuos Nazi conc. camps - Majdanek and Auschwitz.

Last Edited by Tamonten on 02/03/2015 06:39 PM
"When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901)
"But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008)

"Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings"
"Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew)
Quos Iupiter perdere vult, dementat.
"Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker

Thread: I'm Russian – ask me a question. Be it about Russia or a personal one.
Thread: From Rus' to Russia - grand concert on the Red Square, June 12th 2015 - please help with translation!

Remember that future is always proceeded by its shadows.
KneelB4Zod!
Citizen of the State

User ID: 67662738
Czech Republic
02/03/2015 06:38 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
The numerous Russian shills and hasbara trolls all will tell you that Ukraine doesnt deserve to exist despite it's declared independence in the late 1990's.

They are also the same shills that endlessly and repeatedly try to convince you that America and Americans doesn't deserve to exist either.

Is there a connection?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60286568


At the end of the cold war, America had the chance to promote and sustain world peace, THEY BLEW IT.

However, as this website shows, there are many, many good Americans, on the side of humanity, I,m with them.
 Quoting: firinne


yep1

Also there are many, many good Ukrainians. Somewhere. Hiden and scared to death with all this idiocy what flooded their country together with Nulands cookies...
“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” Bane

"Prefiero morir de pie que vivir de rodillas. (I'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees.)" Emiliano Zapata

Thread: So The Spy Services Are The Real Internet Trolls / Vault 7, Year Zero, p. 6 (Page 6)

Worth to check: [link to firstlook.org (secure)]

Daily updated archive - [link to www.matthewaid.com]

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
Tamonten

User ID: 34754802
Russian Federation
02/03/2015 06:38 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
The numerous Russian shills and hasbara trolls all will tell you that Ukraine doesnt deserve to exist despite it's declared independence in the late 1990's.

They are also the same shills that endlessly and repeatedly try to convince you that America and Americans doesn't deserve to exist either.

Is there a connection?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60286568


You've got the order wrong.

It usually starts when someone exclaims that that nasty Russians should just all leave native Ukrainian land because they are invaders there - talking not about those invisible and undetectable Russian army, but about people who've been living there for generations.
And then someone (me alone has done it one or two times) reminds the speaker that in that case Americans should just all leave the native lands of American Indians. That all to it.

If you've said "A", you should sy "B" too...

Last Edited by Tamonten on 02/03/2015 06:40 PM
"When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901)
"But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008)

"Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings"
"Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew)
Quos Iupiter perdere vult, dementat.
"Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker

Thread: I'm Russian – ask me a question. Be it about Russia or a personal one.
Thread: From Rus' to Russia - grand concert on the Red Square, June 12th 2015 - please help with translation!

Remember that future is always proceeded by its shadows.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 67661103
United States
02/03/2015 06:41 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
There already is one....
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 52036214
02/03/2015 06:46 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
There already is one....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67661103


cool2
firinne (OP)

User ID: 40104693
Ireland
02/03/2015 06:50 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
What would happen if the Russian army really invaded Ukraine!

We will not name the author of this material, as he is an active officer of the armed forces of Russia, but he perfectly described the situation - What would happen if the Ukrainian military faced the Russian army?

The titles of some complexes we have SPECIFICALLY designated with the letters of the Latin alphabet not to write their name, as mentioning some of them is undesirable for the author. However, I think that military people will understand what are the systems in question:

"According to our Ukrainian partners, commenting on the latest ATO news, and referring to the "intercepted data from reports of the Russian army", today another division of the Russian army was destroyed near Lugansk...
------
I want to briefly explain to the Ukrainian colleagues, what is the modern Russian army, and what would happen, if it would come to visit them in reality, and not in their wet dreams.

Firstly, today we use digital radio communication with local encryption. You can intercept it, but you cannot decipher it. The code changes in 50 minutes, an hour, an hour and twenty-two minutes - on arbitrary unpredictable schedule. Ukrainian military and the armed forces of Novorossia are using an old analog model, which you can listen to. And the Russian army now has communications which was previously only on secure communication lines, - you can only hear the crackling and a characteristic murmur.


cont.... [link to www.liveleak.com]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 52036214
02/03/2015 06:51 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
rui borges @homo_viator
#Ukraine: National Guard threatens with coup, files lawsuit against #Poroshenko for treason
Böze_Tante

User ID: 67651162
Germany
02/03/2015 07:00 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
Oh good, thank you firinne! We need this thread, I can't take any more of the other one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53640197


I know I just had a wee look and its turned into a thread debating about not debating...

retards2
 Quoting: firinne


epiclol

Problem is that how te deal with notorious trolls and thread derailers. One thing is meaningful discussion and other things are pointless litany, whining and attacking other users...

huffy
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


Your going to get that anyway, remember the NWO shills will purpously try to derail the thread because of the amount of good info coming forth.

My rules are simple..

1, post what you like

2, If you dont like what a poster is saying put them on your ignore list

3, Debunk the shills

4, enjoy the thread
 Quoting: firinne


Thank you for clarification. When you think I'm getting too far OT, please tell it to me, sometimes my temperament is driving me far out ...

OK, I hope it fits when I "report" a bit about the "sentiments" and events in Germany, because there are enough others who know much more what's happening in Ukraine than I do. And plz don't "kill" me if I use a wrong term for sth., english is not my mothertongue ... When it was too crappy feel free to ask what I tried to say.

I hope we can have it here without constant bickering, insults, derailing and BS propaganda.

hf
The main reason for my wish to change this society is that so many human skills have no chance to come to fruition. Instead they are used in a really sick way that people are maintaining their own suffering from wars, hunger and illness. But it cannot be changed “top-down”, only in some kind of “grassroots revolution” or better “evolution” where more and more people work together to get rid of TPTB (whoever that is).
No need for a “big event” but a development. One of my ideas to reach it:
Don’t play “their” games - don’t use “their” rules - don’t think in the box of “their” paradigms.
It’s more “refuse” than “resist” - without too much ideology. You don't need to know much about "what's going on behind the curtains", it's mainly to create your own rules together with likeminded people.
That is what I mean with “I’m on the side of the people”.
PorkyWaltzman

User ID: 54080656
Luxembourg
02/03/2015 07:01 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
'No doubt' America will give us weapons, says Ukraine, amid fears of 'catastrophic' escalation - Telegraph [link to www.telegraph.co.uk]
 Quoting: OpDistress


Yes it has been going on in secret and now they just need to make it public so huge plane loads can come in.

Not a good thing.
 Quoting: PIR


a javelin costs 250.000 USD, most will be stolen
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 52027586
02/03/2015 07:02 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
rui borges @homo_viator
#Ukraine: National Guard threatens with coup, files lawsuit against #Poroshenko for treason
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52036214


firinne (OP)

User ID: 40104693
Ireland
02/03/2015 07:03 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
What recession ??

Thousands of jobs coming up!

Russia to spend US$7.9b from wealth fund on infrastructure projects: minister

[link to www.businesstimes.com.sg]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 67672435
United States
02/03/2015 07:05 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
The numerous Russian shills and hasbara trolls all will tell you that Ukraine doesnt deserve to exist despite it's declared independence in the late 1990's.

They are also the same shills that endlessly and repeatedly try to convince you that America and Americans doesn't deserve to exist either.

Is there a connection?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60286568


I guess you think every little kid in the world needs to watch Kim Kardashian and grow up with the Kardashians as a role model instead of a decent, moral role model.

This is a war against imposing moral degeneracy upon the world and decency.
Tamonten

User ID: 34754802
Russian Federation
02/03/2015 07:07 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
What would happen if the Russian army really invaded Ukraine!

We will not name the author of this material, as he is an active officer of the armed forces of Russia, but he perfectly described the situation - What would happen if the Ukrainian military faced the Russian army?

The titles of some complexes we have SPECIFICALLY designated with the letters of the Latin alphabet not to write their name, as mentioning some of them is undesirable for the author. However, I think that military people will understand what are the systems in question:

"According to our Ukrainian partners, commenting on the latest ATO news, and referring to the "intercepted data from reports of the Russian army", today another division of the Russian army was destroyed near Lugansk...
------
I want to briefly explain to the Ukrainian colleagues, what is the modern Russian army, and what would happen, if it would come to visit them in reality, and not in their wet dreams.

Firstly, today we use digital radio communication with local encryption. You can intercept it, but you cannot decipher it. The code changes in 50 minutes, an hour, an hour and twenty-two minutes - on arbitrary unpredictable schedule. Ukrainian military and the armed forces of Novorossia are using an old analog model, which you can listen to. And the Russian army now has communications which was previously only on secure communication lines, - you can only hear the crackling and a characteristic murmur.


cont.... [link to www.liveleak.com]
 Quoting: firinne


Well, you can't really prove or debunk this text...
But there is a variation of it with names in place of X, Y and Z.

X: "Khingan" (a name of the river)
Y: "Krasukha-4" ("Beautiful girl - 4")
Z: "Rtut'" ("Mercury")

[link to discussio.ru]

Last Edited by Tamonten on 02/03/2015 07:12 PM
"When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901)
"But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008)

"Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings"
"Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew)
Quos Iupiter perdere vult, dementat.
"Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker

Thread: I'm Russian – ask me a question. Be it about Russia or a personal one.
Thread: From Rus' to Russia - grand concert on the Red Square, June 12th 2015 - please help with translation!

Remember that future is always proceeded by its shadows.
firinne (OP)

User ID: 40104693
Ireland
02/03/2015 07:07 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
...


I know I just had a wee look and its turned into a thread debating about not debating...

retards2
 Quoting: firinne


epiclol

Problem is that how te deal with notorious trolls and thread derailers. One thing is meaningful discussion and other things are pointless litany, whining and attacking other users...

huffy
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


Your going to get that anyway, remember the NWO shills will purpously try to derail the thread because of the amount of good info coming forth.

My rules are simple..

1, post what you like

2, If you dont like what a poster is saying put them on your ignore list

3, Debunk the shills

4, enjoy the thread
 Quoting: firinne


Thank you for clarification. When you think I'm getting too far OT, please tell it to me, sometimes my temperament is driving me far out ...

OK, I hope it fits when I "report" a bit about the "sentiments" and events in Germany, because there are enough others who know much more what's happening in Ukraine than I do. And plz don't "kill" me if I use a wrong term for sth., english is not my mothertongue ... When it was too crappy feel free to ask what I tried to say.

I hope we can have it here without constant bickering, insults, derailing and BS propaganda.

hf
 Quoting: Böze_Tante


As I said bro, post what you want as long as its relevant to Ukraine or the wider geopolitical war.

If some poster is doing your nut in, just put them on ignore.

Simples hf
Tamonten

User ID: 34754802
Russian Federation
02/03/2015 07:11 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
What recession ??

Thousands of jobs coming up!

Russia to spend US$7.9b from wealth fund on infrastructure projects: minister

[link to www.businesstimes.com.sg]
 Quoting: firinne


From what I've heard on some show, there was something alike to ultimatum from Western rating agencies: "If you spend your reserves on infrastructure projects, your rating goes down."
Apparently, after the rating went down even with no such spendings, the reasons to not do it disappeared...
"When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901)
"But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008)

"Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings"
"Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew)
Quos Iupiter perdere vult, dementat.
"Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker

Thread: I'm Russian – ask me a question. Be it about Russia or a personal one.
Thread: From Rus' to Russia - grand concert on the Red Square, June 12th 2015 - please help with translation!

Remember that future is always proceeded by its shadows.
firinne (OP)

User ID: 40104693
Ireland
02/03/2015 07:12 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
What would happen if the Russian army really invaded Ukraine!

We will not name the author of this material, as he is an active officer of the armed forces of Russia, but he perfectly described the situation - What would happen if the Ukrainian military faced the Russian army?

The titles of some complexes we have SPECIFICALLY designated with the letters of the Latin alphabet not to write their name, as mentioning some of them is undesirable for the author. However, I think that military people will understand what are the systems in question:

"According to our Ukrainian partners, commenting on the latest ATO news, and referring to the "intercepted data from reports of the Russian army", today another division of the Russian army was destroyed near Lugansk...
------
I want to briefly explain to the Ukrainian colleagues, what is the modern Russian army, and what would happen, if it would come to visit them in reality, and not in their wet dreams.

Firstly, today we use digital radio communication with local encryption. You can intercept it, but you cannot decipher it. The code changes in 50 minutes, an hour, an hour and twenty-two minutes - on arbitrary unpredictable schedule. Ukrainian military and the armed forces of Novorossia are using an old analog model, which you can listen to. And the Russian army now has communications which was previously only on secure communication lines, - you can only hear the crackling and a characteristic murmur.


cont.... [link to www.liveleak.com]
 Quoting: firinne


Well, you can't really prove or debunk this text...
But there is a variation of it with names in place of X, Y and Z.

X: "Khingan" (a name of the river)
Y: "Krasukha-4" ("Beautiful girl - 4")
Z: "Rtut'" ("Mercury")
 Quoting: Tamonten


The general theme is correct though!

If Russia invaded Ukraine when the western media and Kiev first claimed, we would be talking about the battle of Lviv right now, not the battle of Debaltserv.
Tamonten

User ID: 34754802
Russian Federation
02/03/2015 07:14 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
What would happen if the Russian army really invaded Ukraine!

We will not name the author of this material, as he is an active officer of the armed forces of Russia, but he perfectly described the situation - What would happen if the Ukrainian military faced the Russian army?

The titles of some complexes we have SPECIFICALLY designated with the letters of the Latin alphabet not to write their name, as mentioning some of them is undesirable for the author. However, I think that military people will understand what are the systems in question:

"According to our Ukrainian partners, commenting on the latest ATO news, and referring to the "intercepted data from reports of the Russian army", today another division of the Russian army was destroyed near Lugansk...
------
I want to briefly explain to the Ukrainian colleagues, what is the modern Russian army, and what would happen, if it would come to visit them in reality, and not in their wet dreams.

Firstly, today we use digital radio communication with local encryption. You can intercept it, but you cannot decipher it. The code changes in 50 minutes, an hour, an hour and twenty-two minutes - on arbitrary unpredictable schedule. Ukrainian military and the armed forces of Novorossia are using an old analog model, which you can listen to. And the Russian army now has communications which was previously only on secure communication lines, - you can only hear the crackling and a characteristic murmur.


cont.... [link to www.liveleak.com]
 Quoting: firinne


Well, you can't really prove or debunk this text...
But there is a variation of it with names in place of X, Y and Z.

X: "Khingan" (a name of the river)
Y: "Krasukha-4" ("Beautiful girl - 4")
Z: "Rtut'" ("Mercury")

[link to discussio.ru]
 Quoting: Tamonten


The general theme is correct though!

If Russia invaded Ukraine when the western media and Kiev first claimed, we would be talking about the battle of Lviv right now, not the battle of Debaltserv.
 Quoting: firinne


Yeah, something like that. In retrospective. Like "half a year ago..."
"When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901)
"But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008)

"Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings"
"Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew)
Quos Iupiter perdere vult, dementat.
"Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker

Thread: I'm Russian – ask me a question. Be it about Russia or a personal one.
Thread: From Rus' to Russia - grand concert on the Red Square, June 12th 2015 - please help with translation!

Remember that future is always proceeded by its shadows.
firinne (OP)

User ID: 40104693
Ireland
02/03/2015 07:18 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
What recession ??

Thousands of jobs coming up!

Russia to spend US$7.9b from wealth fund on infrastructure projects: minister

[link to www.businesstimes.com.sg]
 Quoting: firinne


From what I've heard on some show, there was something alike to ultimatum from Western rating agencies: "If you spend your reserves on infrastructure projects, your rating goes down."
Apparently, after the rating went down even with no such spendings, the reasons to not do it disappeared...
 Quoting: Tamonten


Just borrow from China cool2

[link to www.ecns.cn]

Hows the alternative to swift coming along, any news ????
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 52027586
02/03/2015 07:18 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
Sputnik @SputnikInt
Dutch, Latvian Foreign Ministers Call for More Sanctions Against Russia
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 52027586
02/03/2015 07:19 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
Sputnik @SputnikInt
Dutch, Latvian Foreign Ministers Call for More Sanctions Against Russia
PorkyWaltzman

User ID: 54080656
Luxembourg
02/03/2015 07:21 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
ukraine-english-news ‏@discjocke52 1m1 minute ago
Filaret in the US will ask for weapons #Ukraine … [link to ukraineenglishnewsforum.createaforum.com] … Hey Kiril! Real Christians are fighting for Ukraine's independence.
Tamonten

User ID: 34754802
Russian Federation
02/03/2015 07:22 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
What recession ??

Thousands of jobs coming up!

Russia to spend US$7.9b from wealth fund on infrastructure projects: minister

[link to www.businesstimes.com.sg]
 Quoting: firinne


From what I've heard on some show, there was something alike to ultimatum from Western rating agencies: "If you spend your reserves on infrastructure projects, your rating goes down."
Apparently, after the rating went down even with no such spendings, the reasons to not do it disappeared...
 Quoting: Tamonten


Just borrow from China cool2

[link to www.ecns.cn]

Hows the alternative to swift coming along, any news ????
 Quoting: firinne


Nothing public at the moment.
I have a friend who works in CBR. When I'll meet her next time, I'll ask how are they doing there.
Though she's from legal department, I'm unsure if she knows anything on the matter.
"When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901)
"But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008)

"Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings"
"Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew)
Quos Iupiter perdere vult, dementat.
"Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker

Thread: I'm Russian – ask me a question. Be it about Russia or a personal one.
Thread: From Rus' to Russia - grand concert on the Red Square, June 12th 2015 - please help with translation!

Remember that future is always proceeded by its shadows.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 52027586
02/03/2015 07:23 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
Jealous one star bandits. ;]
PorkyWaltzman

User ID: 54080656
Luxembourg
02/03/2015 07:28 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
Sergey Bobkov ‏@sbobkov 1h1 hour ago
#NAF claim that they control Western suburb of #Debaltsevo. #ATO

fire

Last Edited by PorkyWaltzman on 02/03/2015 07:28 PM
Böze_Tante

User ID: 67651162
Germany
02/03/2015 07:34 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
Jacek Saryusz-Wolski @JSaryuszWolski
"Russian refusal 2 help implement Minsk agr. may leave Western countries with no choice but 2 deliver defense equip."
[link to www.spiegel.de]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52035693


Oh, that's new, the comments are hidden when you don't sign in ... I will look for the German article.
 Quoting: Böze_Tante


This was under "opinion", in German was nothing alike. But from another (German) article there are interesting comments. I will post the original and google translated of 2of them.

[link to www.spiegel.de]


8. Strategie ohne Vernunft
jesaja43 02.02.2015
US-amerikanische Waffenlieferungen würden die Eskalation im Ukraine-Konflikt zweifellos ordentlich befeuern. Es wäre kriegstreiberisch - vernünftig wäre es nicht. Zwei grundsätzliche Fragen an die westliche Allianz. Frage: Ist Putsch oder Umsturz eigentlich mit dem internationalen Völkerrecht vereinbar? Oder konkreter gefragt, war der Sturz der demokratisch gewählten Regierung Janukowitsch, eigentlich völkerrechtlich legitim? Ja - wenn es nach Ansicht des Westen geht. Frage: Wenn ein Bevölkerungsanteil eines Landes seine Regierung wegputscht - müssen dann auch alle anderen Bevölkerungsanteile diesen Putsch akzeptieren? Ja - meint offensichtlich der Westen auch hier. Doch die westliche Logik klemmt offensichtlich gewaltig. Billigt man nämlich einem Bevölkerungsanteil das Recht auf Putsch zu, mit welchem Recht sollte man es dem anderen Bevölkerungsanteil verwehren können, gegen diesen Putsch zu sein?? Doch Ost-Erweiterung hat eben mehr mit Strategie zu tun, als mit menschlicher Vernunft und Logik.


10. Brookings Institution - Pinchuk Institution
criticos 02.02.2015
Offensichtlich zahlt sich die Investion/Spende des ukrainischen Oligarchen, der auch die Maidan-Revolte gesponsert hat, an die Brookings Institution, der die Verfasser der "Studie" überwieden angehören, aus. Rebekka Harms hat das nicht nötig, sie ist ja mit Julia Timoschenko "befreundet", und der nette Chordorkowski unterstützt ja auch die grüne "Zivilgesellschaft". Grün - bei der Farbe kann es jetzt bleiben.


(8. Strategy without reason
jesaja43 02/02/2015
US arms sales would certainly fuel the escalation in Ukraine conflict properly. It would warmongering - it would not be reasonable. Two basic questions to the Western alliance. Question: Is coup or revolution actually compatible with international law? Or concrete demand, was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Yanukovych, actually legitimate under international law? Yes - if it's the West's view. Question: If a proportion of the population of a country wegputscht his government - must then accept this coup, all other segments of the population? Yes - apparently meaning the West too. But Western logic clamped obviously enormous. To approve namely a population the right to coup to what right should be able to deny it the other population to be against the coup ?? But Eastern enlargement has just more to do with strategy than with human reason and logic.

10. Brookings Institution - Pinchuk institution
Criticos 02/02/2015
Obviously, the investment pays tion / donation of the Ukrainian oligarchs, who also sponsored the Maidan revolt at the Brookings Institution, who belong to the author of over wieden "study" from. Rebecca Harms not necessary, she is with Yulia Tymoshenko "friends", and the nice Chordorkowski also supports yes the green "civil society". Green - the color in it can stay now.)

-------------

Ok, I've read the comments (>100), >50% are against NATO-politics, only a few are "hardcore NWO". But you should know that they are censuring ...
The main reason for my wish to change this society is that so many human skills have no chance to come to fruition. Instead they are used in a really sick way that people are maintaining their own suffering from wars, hunger and illness. But it cannot be changed “top-down”, only in some kind of “grassroots revolution” or better “evolution” where more and more people work together to get rid of TPTB (whoever that is).
No need for a “big event” but a development. One of my ideas to reach it:
Don’t play “their” games - don’t use “their” rules - don’t think in the box of “their” paradigms.
It’s more “refuse” than “resist” - without too much ideology. You don't need to know much about "what's going on behind the curtains", it's mainly to create your own rules together with likeminded people.
That is what I mean with “I’m on the side of the people”.
firinne (OP)

User ID: 40104693
Ireland
02/03/2015 07:37 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
rui borges @homo_viator
#Ukraine: National Guard threatens with coup, files lawsuit against #Poroshenko for treason
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52036214



 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52027586


I honestly cant see Kiev holding it together for much longer.

Three way civil war ???
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 52027586
02/03/2015 07:41 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
lol look@ the picture with the white van. There's a writing on the door saying 'junta' in Russian. I'm sure they didn't even notice lol

[link to www.interpretermag.com]
PorkyWaltzman

User ID: 54080656
Luxembourg
02/03/2015 07:41 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...
Summaries of militia
03.01.15. 00:30. Posted by volunteer with the call Countryman

'Uglegorsk is under the full control of the fighters DNR. The positions of the militia in the north-east, periodically shelled from howitzers and mortars. Guys in Uglegorsk strengthened - it's mostly by Gorlovskiy garrison Berkut! We got reinforcements and for UAF will be hotter than hell! '


News