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#Ukraine: National Guard threatens with coup, files lawsuit against #Poroshenko for treason
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I honestly cant see Kiev holding it together for much longer.

Three way civil war ???
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No. Real war is coming. New NAZI president and martial law.
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#Ukraine: National Guard threatens with coup, files lawsuit against #Poroshenko for treason
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I honestly cant see Kiev holding it together for much longer.

Three way civil war ???
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No. Real war is coming. New NAZI president and martial law.
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Imagine if Kerry came on thursday, and then a coup happened leaving him trapped.rofl5
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The @OSCE confirms cluster munitions were used on residential areas in #Luhansk. #Ukraine
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I honestly cant see Kiev holding it together for much longer.

Three way civil war ???
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No. Real war is coming. New NAZI president and martial law.
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Imagine if Kerry came on thursday, and then a coup happened leaving him trapped.rofl5
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I can imagine him together with McCain and Nuland declaring support for the new boss. Won't be surprised at all.
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The Putin shills are already assembled elsewhere.
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Fuck the NWO
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clappa

My kind of debate :-)
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Ditto! and thanks op for starting this thread.

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This is #US pulling puppet strings "#Ukraine will not be a federation but will remain a unitary state #Poroshenko" [link to itar-tass.com]
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I honestly cant see Kiev holding it together for much longer.

Three way civil war ???
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No. Real war is coming. New NAZI president and martial law.
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Imagine if Kerry came on thursday, and then a coup happened leaving him trapped.rofl5
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I can imagine him together with McCain and Nuland declaring support for the new boss. Won't be surprised at all.
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That's Pommes frites, Nudels and Ketchup together.
The main reason for my wish to change this society is that so many human skills have no chance to come to fruition. Instead they are used in a really sick way that people are maintaining their own suffering from wars, hunger and illness. But it cannot be changed “top-down”, only in some kind of “grassroots revolution” or better “evolution” where more and more people work together to get rid of TPTB (whoever that is).
No need for a “big event” but a development. One of my ideas to reach it:
Don’t play “their” games - don’t use “their” rules - don’t think in the box of “their” paradigms.
It’s more “refuse” than “resist” - without too much ideology. You don't need to know much about "what's going on behind the curtains", it's mainly to create your own rules together with likeminded people.
That is what I mean with “I’m on the side of the people”.
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When rebels pushed #Ukraine forces out of Uglegorsk, 200 residents demanded to join the rebel forces on the spot. Ukraine cannot match this
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BREAKING,AFP: Poroshenko announces #US delivery of weapons to #Ukraine. Kerry in Kiev tomorrow. [link to news.yahoo.com] …
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Supply Train from Poland Spotted in Lviv Heading East to War Zone 02 Feb 15

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So they tried to shut down the old Ukraine thread and two sprung up in it's place?

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So they tried to shut down the old Ukraine thread and two sprung up in it's place?

LMAO!
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Yep, but since some time I thought it would be better to have two threads. Some people are only interested in following the news, others want to discuss what it's all about. I for example are mostly interested in "understanding the big picture". I want to know where we are heading to.
The main reason for my wish to change this society is that so many human skills have no chance to come to fruition. Instead they are used in a really sick way that people are maintaining their own suffering from wars, hunger and illness. But it cannot be changed “top-down”, only in some kind of “grassroots revolution” or better “evolution” where more and more people work together to get rid of TPTB (whoever that is).
No need for a “big event” but a development. One of my ideas to reach it:
Don’t play “their” games - don’t use “their” rules - don’t think in the box of “their” paradigms.
It’s more “refuse” than “resist” - without too much ideology. You don't need to know much about "what's going on behind the curtains", it's mainly to create your own rules together with likeminded people.
That is what I mean with “I’m on the side of the people”.
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Saudi Arabia may raise oil prices if Putin stops arming Assad [link to www.nytimes.com] …

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"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
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Eric Margolis: Sending US Trainers to Ukraine Is a Recipe on How to Start a War with Russia [link to dlvr.it]
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Michael Levitis: Fictional Russian Spies Are Invading US TV Screens [link to dlvr.it]
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The enemy still plans to bring chaos to #Kharkiv region, as it did with the Donbas - #Poroshenko
[link to 24tv.ua] …
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"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
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Interesting analysis from Eric Zuesse

Brookings Wants More Villages Firebombed in Ukraine’s ‘Anti Terrorist Operation’

Introduction

Brookings Institution has now issued a call for us to finance more firebombings, clusterbombings, and other support to the ethnic cleansing, which has been going on since Ukraine's coup - the ethnic cleansing that's occurring in the region of Ukraine's southeast that's called "Donbass" (which is the Ukrainian area shown in dark purple on this map, the map of the election results in Ukraine's last nationwide Presidential election before the coup; and that's the same region which rejects the U.S.-imposed coup-Government; the people there had voted 90% for the man whom the U.S. coup overthrew, which is the reason the U.S. Government wants them eliminated, so that Ukraine can keep the land - and its resources - but now cleansed of its residents, so that the U.S. can place missiles there aimed at Russia, which is America's current strategic objective: to control Russia).

On Monday, February 2nd, Brookings (whose Michael O'Hanlon and Kenneth Pollack had been among the leaders of the invade-Iraq movement before the 2003 U.S. invasion there on false pretenses) issued a report, "Preserving Ukraine's Independence, Resisting Russian Aggression: What the United States and NATO Must Do," and Brookings urged "providing direct military assistance - in far larger amounts than provided to date and including lethal defensive arms - so that Ukraine is better able to defend itself. The U.S. government should provide Ukraine $1 billion in military assistance as soon as possible in 2015, followed by additional tranches of $1 billion in FY 2016 and FY 2017." That euphemism "defensive arms" is for gullible individuals only: guns and tanks obviously fire in both directions, and so do anti-tank weapons etc. - and there was no "Russian Aggression" in Ukraine until the Obama Administration violently overthrew the existing Government there in February of last year. Adolf Hitler claimed to be "defending" Germany when he invaded and took over Poland in 1939, following a "false flag" incident in Poland that could have been a model for Obama's in Ukraine last year, and the United States is copying not only his PR tactics about it, but the continuing violence afterwards, differing mainly in his using surrogates to do the job, instead of (as Hitler did) claiming the consequences as being his own. (Hitler was able to tell Germans that Poland was threatening Germany, but Obama can't likewise persuasively say to Americans that Ukraine constitutes a threat to America: Americans aren't that gullible, and he knows this.) As the following videos of the U.S.-sponsored firebombings - and of regular bombings - of cities and villages in Donbass will make clear, these consequences also compete rather well with Hitler's in their sheer violence.

An outline of that coup should be expressly stated here: The U.S. overthrew Ukraine's peaceful (though like all of that country's previous ones corrupt) Government, by hiring Ukrainian (and some foreign) masked racist-fascist (or nazi) mercenaries (who were dressed as that Government's security forces so that the existing Ukrainian President would be blamed), to fire down onto anti-corruption demonstrators massed at Kiev's Maidan square - and here will be shown the reality of what our billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars are already buying for the resulting war from that overthrow, which Brookings wants Americans to buy yet more of:

But, first, it should also be noted, in this introduction, that the OSCE, Organization for Security & Cooperation in Europe, refuses to investigate the documented usages of firebombs in Ukraine's war against the southeastern portion of Ukraine, Donbass - the region that rejects the legitimacy of the Ukrainian Government which came into power at that violent February 2014 coup. (Here is the U.S. official on 4 February 2014 at the very moment when she was selecting the man to run Ukraine after the coup, the man who then did become appointed as Ukraine's leader 22 days later. And here is the telephone conversation during which the EU's minister for foreign affairs first learned that it had been a coup.) However, some of these firebombing-instances have (notwithstanding OSCE and other U.S.-controlled agencies) been caught on videos, the authenticity of which has not been challenged; and, sometimes, the resulting fires on the ground have likewise been documented in these videos. Furthermore, it unfortunately must be pointed out (since the Government blames the "Terrorists" as being not themselves but instead as being their victims: the people who live in the region) that the locals who live there (the "Terrorists" as the Government calls the area's residents) are never the people who are flying those planes and dropping these bombs onto themselves and their neighbors. It's always the Government - the Government that Obama placed into power in Kiev a year ago. As this phone conversation made undeniably clear, that government had been brought to power in a coup that was recognized, at the time, as being such, even by the man who ultimately won Ukraine's Presidency after the coup, Petro Poroshenko; furthermore, it violated Ukraine's Constitution. Everything that has occurred since then (and actually even since at least 25 January 2014, leading up to the coup) is fundamentally illegal; and that is why the country is now ruled by sheer force; and anyone who would pretend otherwise is not being honest about it.

With all of that out of the way as an introduction now, we can consider:

Much much more at link:

[link to www.washingtonsblog.com]

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So they tried to shut down the old Ukraine thread and two sprung up in it's place?

LMAO!
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Yep, but since some time I thought it would be better to have two threads. Some people are only interested in following the news, others want to discuss what it's all about. I for example are mostly interested in "understanding the big picture". I want to know where we are heading to.
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The vaguely described "post only news" rules on the other thread, does not work as any sort of foundation for constructive debate (including news).

That thread is dead. (for me anyway).

Hi all.

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More from Eric Zuesse

Ukraine: “We Target Civilians.” Separatists: “Their Targeting Maps Prove It.”

Unofficially, the Ukrainian Government acknowledges that its war against its Donbass region is an ethnic-cleansing operation.

The pro-regime Ukrainian TV station Hromandske TV - which is funded by the U.S. Government, the Dutch Government, and George Soros (via his International Renaissance Foundation or 'Fund') - has reported that the Ukrainian Government is specifically targeting civilians to die in the Donbass region in the former Ukraine's southeast. It's being done in order "to clean the cities."

This is open acknowledgement that the operation, which the U.S. is financing (and Ukraine is bankrupt so it can never reimburse its donors), is actually an ethnic-cleansing campaign.

Previously, on Hromadske TV, a proponent of doing just that (ethnic cleansing) was interviewed. He said: "If we take, for example, just the Donetsk oblast, there are approximately 4 million inhabitants, at least 1.5 million of which are superfluous. ... Donbass must be exploited as a resource, which it is. ... The most important thing that must be done - no matter how cruel it may sound - is that there is a certain category of people that must be exterminated."

Here is how it's done:



Much more at link.

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Forgot link to above post.

Here: [link to www.washingtonsblog.com]

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So they tried to shut down the old Ukraine thread and two sprung up in it's place?

LMAO!
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Yep, but since some time I thought it would be better to have two threads. Some people are only interested in following the news, others want to discuss what it's all about. I for example are mostly interested in "understanding the big picture". I want to know where we are heading to.
 Quoting: Böze_Tante


The vaguely described "post only news" rules on the other thread, does not work as any sort of foundation for constructive debate (including news).

That thread is dead. (for me anyway).

Hi all.

Take Care
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67695256


The problem is that you and other pro russian dont know how to debate .. And your source news is always one side story . Gl
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#DPR militias gain foothold in #Debaltsevo’s western outskirt — Republic’s Defense Ministry [link to itar-tass.com]
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"Prefiero morir de pie que vivir de rodillas. (I'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees.)" Emiliano Zapata

Thread: So The Spy Services Are The Real Internet Trolls / Vault 7, Year Zero, p. 6 (Page 6)

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Daily updated archive - [link to www.matthewaid.com]

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
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So they tried to shut down the old Ukraine thread and two sprung up in it's place?

LMAO!
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Yep, but since some time I thought it would be better to have two threads. Some people are only interested in following the news, others want to discuss what it's all about. I for example are mostly interested in "understanding the big picture". I want to know where we are heading to.
 Quoting: Böze_Tante


The vaguely described "post only news" rules on the other thread, does not work as any sort of foundation for constructive debate (including news).

That thread is dead. (for me anyway).

Hi all.

Take Care
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The problem is that you and other pro russian dont know how to debate .. And your source news is always one side story . Gl
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Fair enough. Please feel free to post your comments with other angles and points of view.

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*Russian Market ‏@russian_market · 3 min.
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"Prefiero morir de pie que vivir de rodillas. (I'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees.)" Emiliano Zapata

Thread: So The Spy Services Are The Real Internet Trolls / Vault 7, Year Zero, p. 6 (Page 6)

Worth to check: [link to firstlook.org (secure)]

Daily updated archive - [link to www.matthewaid.com]

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
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Southfront update.

Russian tank crew captured by Kiev? They must be invisible!

Kiev restricting travel in order to force compliance with troop mobilization

Kiev trying to convince Ukrainians that troops aren't cannon fodder

Psaki says giving lethal aid to Ukraine is okay!



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The Ukrainian Army Is Bleeding to Death

Alexander Mercouris

Western weapons supplies cannot change a situation caused by poor leadership and political division

One of the things I learnt during the fighting last summer is that in assessing the state of the battle it is important not to lose sight of the whole wood by focusing too much on individual trees.

A great deal of energy was spent last summer discussing whether this or that village or settlement had been captured by the Ukrainian military or by the rebel militia and what this meant in strategic terms and what it showed about who was supposedly winning or losing. In reality, as became obvious if one looked at a map, from the first week of July until the last half of August, the position of the front lines was essentially stable.

In the end what decided the course of the battle was not minor movements backwards and forwards across the battlefield but the sheer scale of the losses the Ukrainian military was suffering. Quite simply, the Ukrainian military bled to death, or at least to the point where when the militia launched its offensive in the second half of August it had no strength left to resist it.

The sheer scale of last summer's losses has never been recognised in the West. However it is undoubtedly known in Ukraine itself. It is surely what lies behind the mass resistance to the latest calls in Ukraine for mobilisation this winter.

In the nature of things rumours about losses when they happen on such a scale spread, especially in the small towns and villages from where most conscripts come and where news spreads quickly. This is so even or rather especially if the authorities try to suppress such rumours. As anyone familiar with life in small towns and villages knows, the invariable consequence of attempts to suppress rumours is to fan rumours and exaggerate them further.

Not surprisingly many of the men who are being called up do not want to be sent to the slaughter in the Donbass meat grinder, which is why there are reports of whole villages fleeing en masse to avoid the mobilisation.

I suggest that what happened in the summer is happening again now.

This report suggests that the Ukrainian army has lost 1,100 men in the last 2 weeks of fighting. Since it appears to be based on hacked official documents it is probably reliable. It is anyway consistent with militia claims of the number bodies that were found in the ruins of Donetsk airport.

Assuming that 700 or so of the 1,100 men who are reported to have been killed in the last 2 weeks died in the battle for Donetsk airport, then that means that the "normal" tempo of deaths in the Ukrainian army in this conflict still runs at a rate of hundreds a week, even when (as has been the case since the end of the fighting at the airport) the intensity of the fighting dies down.

It is an error to think that in war fighting continues at the same level of intensity all the time. If the Debaltsevo “cauldron” collapses the number of deaths will spike as it did during the battle for the airport and as it did following the collapse of similar “cauldrons” (eg. the so-called “southern cauldron” or the one at Ilovaisk) last summer. At that point we could see the level of casualties starting to approach the level of the summer.

Of course the rebel militia also suffers losses. However it seems these are on a much lesser scale than those suffered by the Ukrainian military. A militia spokesman has put the ratio at four to one.

If this is correct then I suggest that events are following a similar course to the one they did last summer.

More at link:

[link to russia-insider.com]

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