Ukraine mega thread, NEWS,and DEBATE...

Oh, come on! Stop whining. Nobody says US shouldn't exist. I say fuck it, that's all. Because so much hypocrisy is disgusting.

Lev Vershinin speculates Moscow (i.e. Russian government) has run out of patience and stopped forcing DPR and LPR to be friendly with Kiev.
[link to putnik1.livejournal.com]

I do not necessary agree with him, but he did predict some of the event of last year.

N.B. In his posts Vershinin is refusing to name Kiev and Dnepropetrovsk by its names. As long as junta is in power there he calls them after notoriuos Nazi conc. camps - Majdanek and Auschwitz.

Last Edited by Tamonten on 02/03/2015 06:39 PM

Also there are many, many good Ukrainians. Somewhere. Hiden and scared to death with all this idiocy what flooded their country together with Nulands cookies...

You've got the order wrong.

It usually starts when someone exclaims that that nasty Russians should just all leave native Ukrainian land because they are invaders there - talking not about those invisible and undetectable Russian army, but about people who've been living there for generations.
And then someone (me alone has done it one or two times) reminds the speaker that in that case Americans should just all leave the native lands of American Indians. That all to it.

If you've said "A", you should sy "B" too...

Last Edited by Tamonten on 02/03/2015 06:40 PM

There already is one....

What would happen if the Russian army really invaded Ukraine!

We will not name the author of this material, as he is an active officer of the armed forces of Russia, but he perfectly described the situation - What would happen if the Ukrainian military faced the Russian army?

The titles of some complexes we have SPECIFICALLY designated with the letters of the Latin alphabet not to write their name, as mentioning some of them is undesirable for the author. However, I think that military people will understand what are the systems in question:

"According to our Ukrainian partners, commenting on the latest ATO news, and referring to the "intercepted data from reports of the Russian army", today another division of the Russian army was destroyed near Lugansk...
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I want to briefly explain to the Ukrainian colleagues, what is the modern Russian army, and what would happen, if it would come to visit them in reality, and not in their wet dreams.

Firstly, today we use digital radio communication with local encryption. You can intercept it, but you cannot decipher it. The code changes in 50 minutes, an hour, an hour and twenty-two minutes - on arbitrary unpredictable schedule. Ukrainian military and the armed forces of Novorossia are using an old analog model, which you can listen to. And the Russian army now has communications which was previously only on secure communication lines, - you can only hear the crackling and a characteristic murmur.


cont.... [link to www.liveleak.com]

rui borges @homo_viator
#Ukraine: National Guard threatens with coup, files lawsuit against #Poroshenko for treason

Thank you for clarification. When you think I'm getting too far OT, please tell it to me, sometimes my temperament is driving me far out ...

OK, I hope it fits when I "report" a bit about the "sentiments" and events in Germany, because there are enough others who know much more what's happening in Ukraine than I do. And plz don't "kill" me if I use a wrong term for sth., english is not my mothertongue ... When it was too crappy feel free to ask what I tried to say.

I hope we can have it here without constant bickering, insults, derailing and BS propaganda.

a javelin costs 250.000 USD, most will be stolen

What recession ??

Thousands of jobs coming up!

Russia to spend US$7.9b from wealth fund on infrastructure projects: minister

[link to www.businesstimes.com.sg]

I guess you think every little kid in the world needs to watch Kim Kardashian and grow up with the Kardashians as a role model instead of a decent, moral role model.

This is a war against imposing moral degeneracy upon the world and decency.

Well, you can't really prove or debunk this text...
But there is a variation of it with names in place of X, Y and Z.

X: "Khingan" (a name of the river)
Y: "Krasukha-4" ("Beautiful girl - 4")
Z: "Rtut'" ("Mercury")

[link to discussio.ru]

Last Edited by Tamonten on 02/03/2015 07:12 PM

As I said bro, post what you want as long as its relevant to Ukraine or the wider geopolitical war.

If some poster is doing your nut in, just put them on ignore.

Simples

From what I've heard on some show, there was something alike to ultimatum from Western rating agencies: "If you spend your reserves on infrastructure projects, your rating goes down."
Apparently, after the rating went down even with no such spendings, the reasons to not do it disappeared...

The general theme is correct though!

If Russia invaded Ukraine when the western media and Kiev first claimed, we would be talking about the battle of Lviv right now, not the battle of Debaltserv.

Yeah, something like that. In retrospective. Like "half a year ago..."

Just borrow from China

[link to www.ecns.cn]

Hows the alternative to swift coming along, any news ????

Sputnik @SputnikInt
Dutch, Latvian Foreign Ministers Call for More Sanctions Against Russia

Sputnik @SputnikInt
Dutch, Latvian Foreign Ministers Call for More Sanctions Against Russia

Nothing public at the moment.
I have a friend who works in CBR. When I'll meet her next time, I'll ask how are they doing there.
Though she's from legal department, I'm unsure if she knows anything on the matter.

Jealous one star bandits. ;]

Sergey Bobkov ‏@sbobkov 1h1 hour ago
#NAF claim that they control Western suburb of #Debaltsevo. #ATO



Last Edited by PorkyWaltzman on 02/03/2015 07:28 PM

This was under "opinion", in German was nothing alike. But from another (German) article there are interesting comments. I will post the original and google translated of 2of them.

[link to www.spiegel.de]


8. Strategie ohne Vernunft
jesaja43 02.02.2015
US-amerikanische Waffenlieferungen würden die Eskalation im Ukraine-Konflikt zweifellos ordentlich befeuern. Es wäre kriegstreiberisch - vernünftig wäre es nicht. Zwei grundsätzliche Fragen an die westliche Allianz. Frage: Ist Putsch oder Umsturz eigentlich mit dem internationalen Völkerrecht vereinbar? Oder konkreter gefragt, war der Sturz der demokratisch gewählten Regierung Janukowitsch, eigentlich völkerrechtlich legitim? Ja - wenn es nach Ansicht des Westen geht. Frage: Wenn ein Bevölkerungsanteil eines Landes seine Regierung wegputscht - müssen dann auch alle anderen Bevölkerungsanteile diesen Putsch akzeptieren? Ja - meint offensichtlich der Westen auch hier. Doch die westliche Logik klemmt offensichtlich gewaltig. Billigt man nämlich einem Bevölkerungsanteil das Recht auf Putsch zu, mit welchem Recht sollte man es dem anderen Bevölkerungsanteil verwehren können, gegen diesen Putsch zu sein?? Doch Ost-Erweiterung hat eben mehr mit Strategie zu tun, als mit menschlicher Vernunft und Logik.


10. Brookings Institution - Pinchuk Institution
criticos 02.02.2015
Offensichtlich zahlt sich die Investion/Spende des ukrainischen Oligarchen, der auch die Maidan-Revolte gesponsert hat, an die Brookings Institution, der die Verfasser der "Studie" überwieden angehören, aus. Rebekka Harms hat das nicht nötig, sie ist ja mit Julia Timoschenko "befreundet", und der nette Chordorkowski unterstützt ja auch die grüne "Zivilgesellschaft". Grün - bei der Farbe kann es jetzt bleiben.


(8. Strategy without reason
jesaja43 02/02/2015
US arms sales would certainly fuel the escalation in Ukraine conflict properly. It would warmongering - it would not be reasonable. Two basic questions to the Western alliance. Question: Is coup or revolution actually compatible with international law? Or concrete demand, was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Yanukovych, actually legitimate under international law? Yes - if it's the West's view. Question: If a proportion of the population of a country wegputscht his government - must then accept this coup, all other segments of the population? Yes - apparently meaning the West too. But Western logic clamped obviously enormous. To approve namely a population the right to coup to what right should be able to deny it the other population to be against the coup ?? But Eastern enlargement has just more to do with strategy than with human reason and logic.

10. Brookings Institution - Pinchuk institution
Criticos 02/02/2015
Obviously, the investment pays tion / donation of the Ukrainian oligarchs, who also sponsored the Maidan revolt at the Brookings Institution, who belong to the author of over wieden "study" from. Rebecca Harms not necessary, she is with Yulia Tymoshenko "friends", and the nice Chordorkowski also supports yes the green "civil society". Green - the color in it can stay now.)

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Ok, I've read the comments (>100), >50% are against NATO-politics, only a few are "hardcore NWO". But you should know that they are censuring ...

I honestly cant see Kiev holding it together for much longer.

Three way civil war ???

look@ the picture with the white van. There's a writing on the door saying 'junta' in Russian. I'm sure they didn't even notice

[link to www.interpretermag.com]

Summaries of militia
03.01.15. 00:30. Posted by volunteer with the call Countryman

'Uglegorsk is under the full control of the fighters DNR. The positions of the militia in the north-east, periodically shelled from howitzers and mortars. Guys in Uglegorsk strengthened - it's mostly by Gorlovskiy garrison Berkut! We got reinforcements and for UAF will be hotter than hell! '

No. Real war is coming. New NAZI president and martial law.

Imagine if Kerry came on thursday, and then a coup happened leaving him trapped.