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They claim that IQ has been increasing, that this generation is the smartest in history

 
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If IQ is so high they must have taken the test b4 the old-timers disease kicks in!
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I'll say it for ya Brief.

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It's called the Flynn Effect.

It's an observable, measurable increase in IQ scores since they have been measured. The increases have been "continuous and approximately linear", which means it's pretty steadily observable.

Most of the gains have been in the middle ranges ... in the moderately high intelligence range, with very little gains in the highest ranges. Fewer people are in the lower ranges and more people are in the middle ranges over time.

What that means is that the bell of the bell curve is higher on the left than it was a hundred years ago.

One explanation is that worldwide, more children are in school longer and are more accustomed to taking tests of all sorts.

Other explanations:

More stimulating environment
Better nutrition
Less infectious disease

I got all that from Wikipedia.

Yes - I believe that there are more humans as a percentage of the whole in moderately intelligent ranges and fewer in lower intelligent ranges since we began keeping track because it is measurably so.

I believe that more schooling and stimulation coupled with less nutritional deficiency and fewer childhood fevers are likely causes.

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Re: They claim that IQ has been increasing, that this generation is the smartest in history
It's called the Flynn Effect.

It's an observable, measurable increase in IQ scores since they have been measured. The increases have been "continuous and approximately linear", which means it's pretty steadily observable.

Most of the gains have been in the middle ranges ... in the moderately high intelligence range, with very little gains in the highest ranges. Fewer people are in the lower ranges and more people are in the middle ranges over time.

What that means is that the bell of the bell curve is higher on the left than it was a hundred years ago.

One explanation is that worldwide, more children are in school longer and are more accustomed to taking tests of all sorts.

Other explanations:

More stimulating environment
Better nutrition
Less infectious disease

I got all that from Wikipedia.

Yes - I believe that there are more humans as a percentage of the whole in moderately intelligent ranges and fewer in lower intelligent ranges since we've began keeping track because it is measurably so.

I believe that more schooling and stimulation coupled with a less nutritional deficiency and childhood fevers are likely causes.
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I'm going to point at video games and lateral thinking.
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It's called the Flynn Effect.

It's an observable, measurable increase in IQ scores since they have been measured. The increases have been "continuous and approximately linear", which means it's pretty steadily observable.

Most of the gains have been in the middle ranges ... in the moderately high intelligence range, with very little gains in the highest ranges. Fewer people are in the lower ranges and more people are in the middle ranges over time.

What that means is that the bell of the bell curve is higher on the left than it was a hundred years ago.

One explanation is that worldwide, more children are in school longer and are more accustomed to taking tests of all sorts.

Other explanations:

More stimulating environment
Better nutrition
Less infectious disease

I got all that from Wikipedia.

Yes - I believe that there are more humans as a percentage of the whole in moderately intelligent ranges and fewer in lower intelligent ranges since we've began keeping track because it is measurably so.

I believe that more schooling and stimulation coupled with a less nutritional deficiency and childhood fevers are likely causes.
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I'm going to point at video games and lateral thinking.
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That's the stimulating environment.

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I would like to see the statistical sample of people they tested to reach this conclusion.

Also, a high IQ does not a 'functional' member of society make.

Just because someone has a high IQ does NOT mean that they are going to contribute in a meaningful manner to civilization.

In OUR society, we place more value on people who can fill a niche, do a job, be a cog, than we do on people who are actually intelligent - the truly intelligent are regularly anti-social, hard to manage and unwilling to spend their time working a mundane, meaningless job just to make money they don't care about to buy shit they don't want or need.

High IQ's are the antithesis of western living and society - or really any society where you want people to homogenize and conform.

Thus, the fluoride and the massive doses of behavior modifying drugs pumped into our lives.

TPTB do not TRULY want a society of humans with high IQ's - they are difficult to placate with shiny toys and football and even more difficult to fool into swallowing the lies pertaining to the nature of our place in this existence.
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Yup, I shall now coin the phrase "functional genius" because many are extremely book smart, but can't scratch their ass using both hands and a mirror.
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This

How many people go to school almost literally FOREVER - from the time they are 4 or 5 until they are almost 30 - and ultimately realize they can't function in the 'real world'?

Can't hold down a job, can't interact with others socially, etc., because there's more to being successful than being smart/educated?

I know a few Ivy League grads who have a mountain of debt and $40,000 a year jobs in totally unrelated industries because they can't function as part of a team or interact with people in a marginally 'normal' way.

It is what it is.
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I would like to see the statistical sample of people they tested to reach this conclusion.

Also, a high IQ does not a 'functional' member of society make.

Just because someone has a high IQ does NOT mean that they are going to contribute in a meaningful manner to civilization.

In OUR society, we place more value on people who can fill a niche, do a job, be a cog, than we do on people who are actually intelligent - the truly intelligent are regularly anti-social, hard to manage and unwilling to spend their time working a mundane, meaningless job just to make money they don't care about to buy shit they don't want or need.

High IQ's are the antithesis of western living and society - or really any society where you want people to homogenize and conform.

Thus, the fluoride and the massive doses of behavior modifying drugs pumped into our lives.

TPTB do not TRULY want a society of humans with high IQ's - they are difficult to placate with shiny toys and football and even more difficult to fool into swallowing the lies pertaining to the nature of our place in this existence.
 Quoting: Em18966


Yup, I shall now coin the phrase "functional genius" because many are extremely book smart, but can't scratch their ass using both hands and a mirror.
 Quoting: BRIEF


This

How many people go to school almost literally FOREVER - from the time they are 4 or 5 until they are almost 30 - and ultimately realize they can't function in the 'real world'?

Can't hold down a job, can't interact with others socially, etc., because there's more to being successful than being smart/educated?

I know a few Ivy League grads who have a mountain of debt and $40,000 a year jobs in totally unrelated industries because they can't function as part of a team or interact with people in a marginally 'normal' way.

It is what it is.
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Well yes, signing up for 25 years of indoctrination into mankind's busy work is the easiest sign of lacking intelligence.

This is surprising?
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Let's see, what do schools and colleges market to.

People who already know everything or can deduce it...

People who don't know anything and cannot figure it out...

People who need verification for pointless occupations...





It's not the first one.
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So, a reasonably high IQ, on the surface, is the LAST thing a school wants to see.

Unless federal money is earmarked for it...
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A better indication of intelligence, in the face of such a system, is whether or not you are on welfare.

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Do you believe that?

That this generation is the smartest, more intelligent than the WWI generation, or the 1770's generation, or ancient Athens 2,500 years ago?



Have videogames and a nutritious diet of high-fructose corn syrup made us smarter than our ancestors?
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No its been diverging. Some are getting smarter many are decreasing in intelligence
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This thread is living proof of the veracity of IQ tests
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This thread is living proof of the veracity of IQ tests
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I feel that you are sincere... I'm just not certain that you have any idea what you're talking about.
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This is the reality of generational intellect. There are always a small number of very smart people and a large number of average (basically dummies but due to their numbers they are not considered so) and then of course there are the really stupid. The small smart percent carry the masses forward and make the overall populace appear smarter but in reality they are not. However, the training techniques improve and the masses acquire better ways of doing things so they all think they are smarter but they are just as dumb as the dummies before them.
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But they can't read a tape measure with out counting it out!

Real smart!!
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This is the reality of generational intellect. There are always a small number of very smart people and a large number of average (basically dummies but due to their numbers they are not considered so) and then of course there are the really stupid. The small smart percent carry the masses forward and make the overall populace appear smarter but in reality they are not. However, the training techniques improve and the masses acquire better ways of doing things so they all think they are smarter but they are just as dumb as the dummies before them.
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Dumbocracy.
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This is the reality of generational intellect. There are always a small number of very smart people and a large number of average (basically dummies but due to their numbers they are not considered so) and then of course there are the really stupid. The small smart percent carry the masses forward and make the overall populace appear smarter but in reality they are not. However, the training techniques improve and the masses acquire better ways of doing things so they all think they are smarter but they are just as dumb as the dummies before them.
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The measurable increases in IQ over time are in the middle range, with no measurable increases in the high range.

So yeah ... fewer retarded people over time results in the (mean) smartest generation in history.

Eventually, the increase in the mean will top out.
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This is the reality of generational intellect. There are always a small number of very smart people and a large number of average (basically dummies but due to their numbers they are not considered so) and then of course there are the really stupid. The small smart percent carry the masses forward and make the overall populace appear smarter but in reality they are not. However, the training techniques improve and the masses acquire better ways of doing things so they all think they are smarter but they are just as dumb as the dummies before them.
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The measurable increases in IQ over time are in the middle range, with no measurable increases in the high range.

So yeah ... fewer retarded people over time results in the (mean) smartest generation in history.

Eventually, the increase in the mean will top out.
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Any reason to think the tests have not plateaued in efficacy?
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Do you believe that?

That this generation is the smartest, more intelligent than the WWI generation, or the 1770's generation, or ancient Athens 2,500 years ago?



Have videogames and a nutritious diet of high-fructose corn syrup made us smarter than our ancestors?
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Well I guess if you think mindless drunkenness and bad behaviour accompanied by lude unpleasant and unnecessary language of a nation educated by liars and televisions intelligent, then I guess it must be true in the context to which it is served!
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They claim Rodney Dangerfield has only increased in sarcastic thoroughput.
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Do you believe that?

That this generation is the smartest, more intelligent than the WWI generation, or the 1770's generation, or ancient Athens 2,500 years ago?



Have videogames and a nutritious diet of high-fructose corn syrup made us smarter than our ancestors?
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Well I guess if you think mindless drunkenness and bad behaviour accompanied by lude unpleasant and unnecessary language of a nation educated by liars and televisions intelligent, then I guess it must be true in the context to which it is served!
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But then come to think of it, IQ is not representative of actual; intelligence, it is a measure of memorising general knowledge as intelligence is very diverse and covers many areas. Generally as life intelligence most people are definitely very dense.
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IQ doesn't take into account some people are better at some things than others. It is meant to be an overall measurement of course, created by the establishment to reflect success. Those in powerful places don't want ordinary people doing intelligent things.
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Are they talking about just the western world? The increase would have to be due to the very smartest Asians, etc, migrating to our countries. They really do have some brilliant people coming over here.

Most of the world doesn't even do IQ tests, so I'm thinking they're just making a generalization about the west.
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Um yeah it was proven? But IQ doesn't really mean squat.
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The herd is being mind controlled (wag the dog) and basically has no free will or free thinking ability.

So while some outsiders may be intelligent, the herd can leach off that person and make it appear as if they were also intelligent, but thats about it.
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The herd is being mind controlled (wag the dog) and basically has no free will or free thinking ability.

So while some outsiders may be intelligent, the herd can leach off that person and make it appear as if they were also intelligent, but thats about it.
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Appear intelligent to whom?
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I would like to see the statistical sample of people they tested to reach this conclusion.

Also, a high IQ does not a 'functional' member of society make.

Just because someone has a high IQ does NOT mean that they are going to contribute in a meaningful manner to civilization.

In OUR society, we place more value on people who can fill a niche, do a job, be a cog, than we do on people who are actually intelligent - the truly intelligent are regularly anti-social, hard to manage and unwilling to spend their time working a mundane, meaningless job just to make money they don't care about to buy shit they don't want or need.

High IQ's are the antithesis of western living and society - or really any society where you want people to homogenize and conform.

Thus, the fluoride and the massive doses of behavior modifying drugs pumped into our lives.

TPTB do not TRULY want a society of humans with high IQ's - they are difficult to placate with shiny toys and football and even more difficult to fool into swallowing the lies pertaining to the nature of our place in this existence.
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IQ is one side of the coin...EQ (emotional intelligence) is the other....without a high enough EQ.....your high IQ isnt going to do jack for you...

how good would Einstein have been if he was too depressed to even get out of bed in the morning?

All the brains in the world is of no use to a person with a low EQ, poor mental health, poor discipline, immature etc


success is driven by high EQ and not IQ.....





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