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jennilicious User ID: 742097 United States 02/03/2015 04:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's called the Flynn Effect. It's an observable, measurable increase in IQ scores since they have been measured. The increases have been "continuous and approximately linear", which means it's pretty steadily observable. Most of the gains have been in the middle ranges ... in the moderately high intelligence range, with very little gains in the highest ranges. Fewer people are in the lower ranges and more people are in the middle ranges over time. What that means is that the bell of the bell curve is higher on the left than it was a hundred years ago. One explanation is that worldwide, more children are in school longer and are more accustomed to taking tests of all sorts. Other explanations: More stimulating environment Better nutrition Less infectious disease I got all that from Wikipedia. Yes - I believe that there are more humans as a percentage of the whole in moderately intelligent ranges and fewer in lower intelligent ranges since we began keeping track because it is measurably so. I believe that more schooling and stimulation coupled with less nutritional deficiency and fewer childhood fevers are likely causes. Last Edited by SugarSand on 02/03/2015 04:39 PM When the shit hits the fan and the end is just nigh, will you cry out to Heaven? Will you lie down and die? Not me, my dear one - THIS IS MY SACRED LIFE - to no one nor no thing I'll surrender. For how does one know where when dead she will go, or if sweet Mother Earth he'll remember? - Sug |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 45809358 United States 02/03/2015 04:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's called the Flynn Effect. Quoting: jennilicious It's an observable, measurable increase in IQ scores since they have been measured. The increases have been "continuous and approximately linear", which means it's pretty steadily observable. Most of the gains have been in the middle ranges ... in the moderately high intelligence range, with very little gains in the highest ranges. Fewer people are in the lower ranges and more people are in the middle ranges over time. What that means is that the bell of the bell curve is higher on the left than it was a hundred years ago. One explanation is that worldwide, more children are in school longer and are more accustomed to taking tests of all sorts. Other explanations: More stimulating environment Better nutrition Less infectious disease I got all that from Wikipedia. Yes - I believe that there are more humans as a percentage of the whole in moderately intelligent ranges and fewer in lower intelligent ranges since we've began keeping track because it is measurably so. I believe that more schooling and stimulation coupled with a less nutritional deficiency and childhood fevers are likely causes. I'm going to point at video games and lateral thinking. |
jennilicious User ID: 742097 United States 02/03/2015 04:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's called the Flynn Effect. Quoting: jennilicious It's an observable, measurable increase in IQ scores since they have been measured. The increases have been "continuous and approximately linear", which means it's pretty steadily observable. Most of the gains have been in the middle ranges ... in the moderately high intelligence range, with very little gains in the highest ranges. Fewer people are in the lower ranges and more people are in the middle ranges over time. What that means is that the bell of the bell curve is higher on the left than it was a hundred years ago. One explanation is that worldwide, more children are in school longer and are more accustomed to taking tests of all sorts. Other explanations: More stimulating environment Better nutrition Less infectious disease I got all that from Wikipedia. Yes - I believe that there are more humans as a percentage of the whole in moderately intelligent ranges and fewer in lower intelligent ranges since we've began keeping track because it is measurably so. I believe that more schooling and stimulation coupled with a less nutritional deficiency and childhood fevers are likely causes. I'm going to point at video games and lateral thinking. That's the stimulating environment. When the shit hits the fan and the end is just nigh, will you cry out to Heaven? Will you lie down and die? Not me, my dear one - THIS IS MY SACRED LIFE - to no one nor no thing I'll surrender. For how does one know where when dead she will go, or if sweet Mother Earth he'll remember? - Sug |
Em18966 User ID: 66273340 United States 02/03/2015 04:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would like to see the statistical sample of people they tested to reach this conclusion. Quoting: Em18966 Also, a high IQ does not a 'functional' member of society make. Just because someone has a high IQ does NOT mean that they are going to contribute in a meaningful manner to civilization. In OUR society, we place more value on people who can fill a niche, do a job, be a cog, than we do on people who are actually intelligent - the truly intelligent are regularly anti-social, hard to manage and unwilling to spend their time working a mundane, meaningless job just to make money they don't care about to buy shit they don't want or need. High IQ's are the antithesis of western living and society - or really any society where you want people to homogenize and conform. Thus, the fluoride and the massive doses of behavior modifying drugs pumped into our lives. TPTB do not TRULY want a society of humans with high IQ's - they are difficult to placate with shiny toys and football and even more difficult to fool into swallowing the lies pertaining to the nature of our place in this existence. Yup, I shall now coin the phrase "functional genius" because many are extremely book smart, but can't scratch their ass using both hands and a mirror. This How many people go to school almost literally FOREVER - from the time they are 4 or 5 until they are almost 30 - and ultimately realize they can't function in the 'real world'? Can't hold down a job, can't interact with others socially, etc., because there's more to being successful than being smart/educated? I know a few Ivy League grads who have a mountain of debt and $40,000 a year jobs in totally unrelated industries because they can't function as part of a team or interact with people in a marginally 'normal' way. It is what it is. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 45809358 United States 02/03/2015 04:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would like to see the statistical sample of people they tested to reach this conclusion. Quoting: Em18966 Also, a high IQ does not a 'functional' member of society make. Just because someone has a high IQ does NOT mean that they are going to contribute in a meaningful manner to civilization. In OUR society, we place more value on people who can fill a niche, do a job, be a cog, than we do on people who are actually intelligent - the truly intelligent are regularly anti-social, hard to manage and unwilling to spend their time working a mundane, meaningless job just to make money they don't care about to buy shit they don't want or need. High IQ's are the antithesis of western living and society - or really any society where you want people to homogenize and conform. Thus, the fluoride and the massive doses of behavior modifying drugs pumped into our lives. TPTB do not TRULY want a society of humans with high IQ's - they are difficult to placate with shiny toys and football and even more difficult to fool into swallowing the lies pertaining to the nature of our place in this existence. Yup, I shall now coin the phrase "functional genius" because many are extremely book smart, but can't scratch their ass using both hands and a mirror. This How many people go to school almost literally FOREVER - from the time they are 4 or 5 until they are almost 30 - and ultimately realize they can't function in the 'real world'? Can't hold down a job, can't interact with others socially, etc., because there's more to being successful than being smart/educated? I know a few Ivy League grads who have a mountain of debt and $40,000 a year jobs in totally unrelated industries because they can't function as part of a team or interact with people in a marginally 'normal' way. It is what it is. Well yes, signing up for 25 years of indoctrination into mankind's busy work is the easiest sign of lacking intelligence. This is surprising? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 45809358 United States 02/03/2015 04:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let's see, what do schools and colleges market to. People who already know everything or can deduce it... People who don't know anything and cannot figure it out... People who need verification for pointless occupations... It's not the first one. |
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zzcat User ID: 58498245 United States 02/03/2015 04:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you believe that? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21245244 That this generation is the smartest, more intelligent than the WWI generation, or the 1770's generation, or ancient Athens 2,500 years ago? Have videogames and a nutritious diet of high-fructose corn syrup made us smarter than our ancestors? No its been diverging. Some are getting smarter many are decreasing in intelligence zzcat who says Schrodinger's cat is even in the box |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 45809358 United States 02/03/2015 05:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is the reality of generational intellect. There are always a small number of very smart people and a large number of average (basically dummies but due to their numbers they are not considered so) and then of course there are the really stupid. The small smart percent carry the masses forward and make the overall populace appear smarter but in reality they are not. However, the training techniques improve and the masses acquire better ways of doing things so they all think they are smarter but they are just as dumb as the dummies before them. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55934913 Dumbocracy. |
jennilicious User ID: 742097 United States 02/03/2015 05:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is the reality of generational intellect. There are always a small number of very smart people and a large number of average (basically dummies but due to their numbers they are not considered so) and then of course there are the really stupid. The small smart percent carry the masses forward and make the overall populace appear smarter but in reality they are not. However, the training techniques improve and the masses acquire better ways of doing things so they all think they are smarter but they are just as dumb as the dummies before them. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55934913 The measurable increases in IQ over time are in the middle range, with no measurable increases in the high range. So yeah ... fewer retarded people over time results in the (mean) smartest generation in history. Eventually, the increase in the mean will top out. When the shit hits the fan and the end is just nigh, will you cry out to Heaven? Will you lie down and die? Not me, my dear one - THIS IS MY SACRED LIFE - to no one nor no thing I'll surrender. For how does one know where when dead she will go, or if sweet Mother Earth he'll remember? - Sug |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 45809358 United States 02/03/2015 05:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is the reality of generational intellect. There are always a small number of very smart people and a large number of average (basically dummies but due to their numbers they are not considered so) and then of course there are the really stupid. The small smart percent carry the masses forward and make the overall populace appear smarter but in reality they are not. However, the training techniques improve and the masses acquire better ways of doing things so they all think they are smarter but they are just as dumb as the dummies before them. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55934913 The measurable increases in IQ over time are in the middle range, with no measurable increases in the high range. So yeah ... fewer retarded people over time results in the (mean) smartest generation in history. Eventually, the increase in the mean will top out. Any reason to think the tests have not plateaued in efficacy? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 67642784 United Kingdom 02/03/2015 05:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you believe that? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21245244 That this generation is the smartest, more intelligent than the WWI generation, or the 1770's generation, or ancient Athens 2,500 years ago? Have videogames and a nutritious diet of high-fructose corn syrup made us smarter than our ancestors? Well I guess if you think mindless drunkenness and bad behaviour accompanied by lude unpleasant and unnecessary language of a nation educated by liars and televisions intelligent, then I guess it must be true in the context to which it is served! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 67642784 United Kingdom 02/03/2015 05:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you believe that? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21245244 That this generation is the smartest, more intelligent than the WWI generation, or the 1770's generation, or ancient Athens 2,500 years ago? Have videogames and a nutritious diet of high-fructose corn syrup made us smarter than our ancestors? Well I guess if you think mindless drunkenness and bad behaviour accompanied by lude unpleasant and unnecessary language of a nation educated by liars and televisions intelligent, then I guess it must be true in the context to which it is served! But then come to think of it, IQ is not representative of actual; intelligence, it is a measure of memorising general knowledge as intelligence is very diverse and covers many areas. Generally as life intelligence most people are definitely very dense. |
Dirtyboy User ID: 67671153 United States 02/03/2015 06:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | IQ doesn't take into account some people are better at some things than others. It is meant to be an overall measurement of course, created by the establishment to reflect success. Those in powerful places don't want ordinary people doing intelligent things. Dirtyboy Think beyond impossible. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67678718 United States 02/03/2015 06:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most of the world doesn't even do IQ tests, so I'm thinking they're just making a generalization about the west. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 67676539 Australia 02/03/2015 06:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The herd is being mind controlled (wag the dog) and basically has no free will or free thinking ability. So while some outsiders may be intelligent, the herd can leach off that person and make it appear as if they were also intelligent, but thats about it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 45809358 United States 02/03/2015 06:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The herd is being mind controlled (wag the dog) and basically has no free will or free thinking ability. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67676539 So while some outsiders may be intelligent, the herd can leach off that person and make it appear as if they were also intelligent, but thats about it. Appear intelligent to whom? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 66940405 Canada 02/03/2015 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would like to see the statistical sample of people they tested to reach this conclusion. Quoting: Em18966 Also, a high IQ does not a 'functional' member of society make. Just because someone has a high IQ does NOT mean that they are going to contribute in a meaningful manner to civilization. In OUR society, we place more value on people who can fill a niche, do a job, be a cog, than we do on people who are actually intelligent - the truly intelligent are regularly anti-social, hard to manage and unwilling to spend their time working a mundane, meaningless job just to make money they don't care about to buy shit they don't want or need. High IQ's are the antithesis of western living and society - or really any society where you want people to homogenize and conform. Thus, the fluoride and the massive doses of behavior modifying drugs pumped into our lives. TPTB do not TRULY want a society of humans with high IQ's - they are difficult to placate with shiny toys and football and even more difficult to fool into swallowing the lies pertaining to the nature of our place in this existence. IQ is one side of the coin...EQ (emotional intelligence) is the other....without a high enough EQ.....your high IQ isnt going to do jack for you... how good would Einstein have been if he was too depressed to even get out of bed in the morning? All the brains in the world is of no use to a person with a low EQ, poor mental health, poor discipline, immature etc success is driven by high EQ and not IQ..... |