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OP. The Antichrist is not a person or an individual who will control the world. The Antichrist is technology and science today. Technology has made people soulless and idiots. We have forgotten to look inside ourselves to pay attention to the outside only. We are in the end of times because there is no more to do. Few will make it to the next cycle.
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Here is an excellent commentary on everything I have been considering about chapter 7. I've vacillated between the traditional and alternative perspectives and now am in the alternative camp.

bibleprophecy.net/secret/lgusa-4.htm

excerpt:

In Revelation 13 the lion, leopard and bear are combined in one conglomerate beast whereas in Daniel 7 the three beasts are presented separately. This is one evidence among others to show that these visions are meant to apply now, and not thousands of years ago. Almost all Bible commentaries place the fulfillment of Daniel 7 in the distant past. The lion is Babylon, the bear Medo-Persia, the leopard Greece, the unnamed beast Rome. And these explanations would be fine if there were not reasons from the text of the Bible itself indicating that the visions should apply now.

The first reason comes from a comparison of the visions of Daniel 7 and Revelation 13. Because of the obvious parallel of these visions (see the chart on page 82) it makes sense to interpret them in tandem. In Daniel 7 the animals are presented individually. In such a presentation it is natural to conclude, as commentators always have, that the animals refer to successive empires. Medo-Persia followed Babylon, just as the bear followed the lion. But when we see the lion, bear and leopard rolled into one beast in Revelation 13, the symbolism is telling us that all three of the powers represented here are existing at the same time. The explanation we presented in chapter two takes that into account.

Since we gave evidence in that chapter to interpret the unnamed beast of Revelation 13 as the United States, then if the visions of Daniel 7 and Revelation 13 are parallel, then we would expect that the unnamed beast in Daniel 7 is also the United States. Before pursuing that, let us look at a few more evidences from the text indicating that this prophecy of Daniel 7 should be patient of another interpretation beyond the traditional interpretation which places it in the past.

In verse 17 of Daniel 7 the interpreting angel, probably Gabriel, tells Daniel (and now the rest of us who are also listening) that these four beasts are four kingdoms which "will arise from the earth." We are being told about beasts which arise in the future. But at the very time the angel was telling Daniel these things, Babylon was about to fall. It was not about to "arise" in the future. This is very crucial Biblical evidence begging for an alternative explanation for this chapter than the traditional outlay of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome.

Another textual evidence to look beyond the traditional explanation of this chapter comes from verse 7. We read there:



After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast…and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it… (Dan 7:7)

At face value, the expression "the beasts that were before it" seems to mean the beasts that came before it in time. That is, first the lion came and went, then the bear came and went, then the leopard came and went and now the fourth beast is appearing. But the Hebrew word qodam, translated "before," more perfectly means "in the presence of." Thus, what Daniel is telling us is that all these animals were before him at the same time. Lion, bear, leopard, and fourth beast are all standing together at the same time. Thus, as in Revelation 13, we can conclude that these animals represent nations existing at the same time. The language of the prophecy fits better with a future, simultaneous application of the symbols than the traditional sequential, chronological one.

Another indication that this prophecy refers to the end of time, and not to thousands of years ago, come in verses 21 and 22:.......


The "horn" referred to above comes from the fourth beast, and is seen "making war" with God’s people ("the saints") right until the final judgment at which time "the saints possessed the kingdom," a reference to the Age to Come. But if the fourth beast represents Rome, this prophecy is false, because Rome is not still persecuting Christians.
.... The beast power would be persecuting the people of God until the Lord executes judgment at the end of time, as described in this chapter:

Thrones were set up while I was watching, and the Eternal God took his place. His clothing and his hair were white as snow. His throne was a blazing fire with fiery wheels, and flames were dashing out from all around him. Countless thousands were standing there to serve him. The time of judgment began, and the books were opened. I watched closely to see what would happen to this smaller horn because of the arrogant things it was saying. Then before my very eyes, the fourth beast was killed and its body destroyed by fire. The other three beasts had their authority taken from them…(Dan 7:9-12)
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Daniel 8

Once again, I have to admit I was not in the futuristic camp until I watched this person's video.



It gave me a fresh perspective on Daniel 8.

After I re-read Daniel 8 and re-watched the video - it all made sense (not that I agree with everything in the video.

The goat (entity going to war with Iran), came from the west portion of the whole earth never touching the ground.

If you think about it - warfare in biblical times meant riding in a Chariot or on a horse and had to touch the earth.

Now, we have drones, jets, nuclear weapons, missles you name it to fight a battle with.

Also, Gabriel tells us it is not until the appointed time - the end of days, and Iran will become a great nation.

How does Iran achieve the status of greatness? By obtaining nukes.

We know Iran is almost a nuclear nation and most likely will become one.

At that time - the west will go to war with Iran.

Edward Everett also informs us - Alexander was not the first king.

I checked on this - and it is true.

So I have switched for now to chapter 8 being in the future
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68028399


Daniel 8 cont.

The ram is Iran - and becomes great ( a nuclear power ?):

The goat's lead (USA or ?????) country is destroyed and 4 other countries rise up. The antichrist comes out of one of these 4 countries:

4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.

5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

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Iran is destroyed by the goat. The goat could be a coalition led by the USA, Nato or EU:

7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.

8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

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If you recall - Daniel 7 tells us this little horn (antichrist) arrives on the beast after the 10 kings are established.
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The antichrist begins his meteoric rise which culminates in his going into the temple taking away the daily sacrifice and declaring he is God. (2 thes 2):

2 Thessalonians 2 (KJV)

2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

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When Daniel is given the interpretation by the angel, he's told the vision is for end times - “Son of man,” he said to me, “understand that the vision concerns the time of the end.”.
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The antichrist begins his meteoric rise which culminates in his going into the temple taking away the daily sacrifice and declaring he is God. (2 thes 2):

2 Thessalonians 2 (KJV)

2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

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When Daniel is given the interpretation by the angel, he's told the vision is for end times - “Son of man,” he said to me, “understand that the vision concerns the time of the end.”.

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There are many examples in the book of Daniel about the meaning of the end of time that we can't mistake it for anything but the end of men's reign on earth:

Daniel 8:17 “Son of man,” he said to me, “understand that the vision concerns the time of the end.”

19 He said: “I am going to tell you what will happen later in the time of wrath, because the vision concerns the appointed time of the end.

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Here are other examples of verses that point out the visions are for end times:

Daniel 11:27....for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.

11:5 it is yet for a time appointed

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Then we get the end, meaning the great tribulation and then judgment day for everyone.

Then Daniel 12

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up for .....thy people

For there shall be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation.

9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

Mathew 24

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened

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So it's obvious that the end is the end of time and not just the end of some point in history i.e. end of Roman Empire, etc.
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Here is an excellent commentary on everything I have been considering about chapter 7. I've vacillated between the traditional and alternative perspectives and now am in the alternative camp.

bibleprophecy.net/secret/lgusa-4.htm

excerpt:

In Revelation 13 the lion, leopard and bear are combined in one conglomerate beast whereas in Daniel 7 the three beasts are presented separately. This is one evidence among others to show that these visions are meant to apply now, and not thousands of years ago. Almost all Bible commentaries place the fulfillment of Daniel 7 in the distant past. The lion is Babylon, the bear Medo-Persia, the leopard Greece, the unnamed beast Rome. And these explanations would be fine if there were not reasons from the text of the Bible itself indicating that the visions should apply now.

The first reason comes from a comparison of the visions of Daniel 7 and Revelation 13. Because of the obvious parallel of these visions (see the chart on page 82) it makes sense to interpret them in tandem. In Daniel 7 the animals are presented individually. In such a presentation it is natural to conclude, as commentators always have, that the animals refer to successive empires. Medo-Persia followed Babylon, just as the bear followed the lion. But when we see the lion, bear and leopard rolled into one beast in Revelation 13, the symbolism is telling us that all three of the powers represented here are existing at the same time. The explanation we presented in chapter two takes that into account.

Since we gave evidence in that chapter to interpret the unnamed beast of Revelation 13 as the United States, then if the visions of Daniel 7 and Revelation 13 are parallel, then we would expect that the unnamed beast in Daniel 7 is also the United States. Before pursuing that, let us look at a few more evidences from the text indicating that this prophecy of Daniel 7 should be patient of another interpretation beyond the traditional interpretation which places it in the past.

In verse 17 of Daniel 7 the interpreting angel, probably Gabriel, tells Daniel (and now the rest of us who are also listening) that these four beasts are four kingdoms which "will arise from the earth." We are being told about beasts which arise in the future. But at the very time the angel was telling Daniel these things, Babylon was about to fall. It was not about to "arise" in the future. This is very crucial Biblical evidence begging for an alternative explanation for this chapter than the traditional outlay of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome.

Another textual evidence to look beyond the traditional explanation of this chapter comes from verse 7. We read there:



After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast…and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it… (Dan 7:7)

At face value, the expression "the beasts that were before it" seems to mean the beasts that came before it in time. That is, first the lion came and went, then the bear came and went, then the leopard came and went and now the fourth beast is appearing. But the Hebrew word qodam, translated "before," more perfectly means "in the presence of." Thus, what Daniel is telling us is that all these animals were before him at the same time. Lion, bear, leopard, and fourth beast are all standing together at the same time. Thus, as in Revelation 13, we can conclude that these animals represent nations existing at the same time. The language of the prophecy fits better with a future, simultaneous application of the symbols than the traditional sequential, chronological one.

Another indication that this prophecy refers to the end of time, and not to thousands of years ago, come in verses 21 and 22:.......


The "horn" referred to above comes from the fourth beast, and is seen "making war" with God’s people ("the saints") right until the final judgment at which time "the saints possessed the kingdom," a reference to the Age to Come. But if the fourth beast represents Rome, this prophecy is false, because Rome is not still persecuting Christians.
.... The beast power would be persecuting the people of God until the Lord executes judgment at the end of time, as described in this chapter:

Thrones were set up while I was watching, and the Eternal God took his place. His clothing and his hair were white as snow. His throne was a blazing fire with fiery wheels, and flames were dashing out from all around him. Countless thousands were standing there to serve him. The time of judgment began, and the books were opened. I watched closely to see what would happen to this smaller horn because of the arrogant things it was saying. Then before my very eyes, the fourth beast was killed and its body destroyed by fire. The other three beasts had their authority taken from them…(Dan 7:9-12)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68005608


Daniel 8

Once again, I have to admit I was not in the futuristic camp until I watched this person's video.



It gave me a fresh perspective on Daniel 8.

After I re-read Daniel 8 and re-watched the video - it all made sense (not that I agree with everything in the video.

The goat (entity going to war with Iran), came from the west portion of the whole earth never touching the ground.

If you think about it - warfare in biblical times meant riding in a Chariot or on a horse and had to touch the earth.

Now, we have drones, jets, nuclear weapons, missles you name it to fight a battle with.

Also, Gabriel tells us it is not until the appointed time - the end of days, and Iran will become a great nation.

How does Iran achieve the status of greatness? By obtaining nukes.

We know Iran is almost a nuclear nation and most likely will become one.

At that time - the west will go to war with Iran.

Edward Everett also informs us - Alexander was not the first king.

I checked on this - and it is true.

So I have switched for now to chapter 8 being in the future
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68028399


Daniel 8 cont.

The ram is Iran - and becomes great ( a nuclear power ?):

The goat's lead (USA or ?????) country is destroyed and 4 other countries rise up. The antichrist comes out of one of these 4 countries:

4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.

5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

------

Iran is destroyed by the goat. The goat could be a coalition led by the USA, Nato or EU:

7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.

8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

----------

If you recall - Daniel 7 tells us this little horn (antichrist) arrives on the beast after the 10 kings are established.
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Tying the chapters 7 and 8 together - we are given 2 ways the antichrist arrives on the scene.

Chapter 7 - it's clear he rules the very last kingdom on this earth.

Chapter 8 - he only succeeds in ascending to leader ship after the goats horn is broken into 4 separate entities.

From there both chapters add some detail about the character of this evil person:

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Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

23 ..... The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

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Daniel 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

24....his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 ...and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many
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What about Daniel 9:25-26 ? When will those events take place ?
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What about Daniel 9:25-26 ? When will those events take place ?
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I'm not quite there yet - but I do cover it here -

Thread: Brief summary Book of Daniel in the bible (Page 3)

You can scroll down to Daniel 9.
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Here is an excellent commentary on everything I have been considering about chapter 7. I've vacillated between the traditional and alternative perspectives and now am in the alternative camp.

bibleprophecy.net/secret/lgusa-4.htm

excerpt:

In Revelation 13 the lion, leopard and bear are combined in one conglomerate beast whereas in Daniel 7 the three beasts are presented separately. This is one evidence among others to show that these visions are meant to apply now, and not thousands of years ago. Almost all Bible commentaries place the fulfillment of Daniel 7 in the distant past. The lion is Babylon, the bear Medo-Persia, the leopard Greece, the unnamed beast Rome. And these explanations would be fine if there were not reasons from the text of the Bible itself indicating that the visions should apply now.

The first reason comes from a comparison of the visions of Daniel 7 and Revelation 13. Because of the obvious parallel of these visions (see the chart on page 82) it makes sense to interpret them in tandem. In Daniel 7 the animals are presented individually. In such a presentation it is natural to conclude, as commentators always have, that the animals refer to successive empires. Medo-Persia followed Babylon, just as the bear followed the lion. But when we see the lion, bear and leopard rolled into one beast in Revelation 13, the symbolism is telling us that all three of the powers represented here are existing at the same time. The explanation we presented in chapter two takes that into account.

Since we gave evidence in that chapter to interpret the unnamed beast of Revelation 13 as the United States, then if the visions of Daniel 7 and Revelation 13 are parallel, then we would expect that the unnamed beast in Daniel 7 is also the United States. Before pursuing that, let us look at a few more evidences from the text indicating that this prophecy of Daniel 7 should be patient of another interpretation beyond the traditional interpretation which places it in the past.

In verse 17 of Daniel 7 the interpreting angel, probably Gabriel, tells Daniel (and now the rest of us who are also listening) that these four beasts are four kingdoms which "will arise from the earth." We are being told about beasts which arise in the future. But at the very time the angel was telling Daniel these things, Babylon was about to fall. It was not about to "arise" in the future. This is very crucial Biblical evidence begging for an alternative explanation for this chapter than the traditional outlay of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome.

Another textual evidence to look beyond the traditional explanation of this chapter comes from verse 7. We read there:



After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast…and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it… (Dan 7:7)

At face value, the expression "the beasts that were before it" seems to mean the beasts that came before it in time. That is, first the lion came and went, then the bear came and went, then the leopard came and went and now the fourth beast is appearing. But the Hebrew word qodam, translated "before," more perfectly means "in the presence of." Thus, what Daniel is telling us is that all these animals were before him at the same time. Lion, bear, leopard, and fourth beast are all standing together at the same time. Thus, as in Revelation 13, we can conclude that these animals represent nations existing at the same time. The language of the prophecy fits better with a future, simultaneous application of the symbols than the traditional sequential, chronological one.

Another indication that this prophecy refers to the end of time, and not to thousands of years ago, come in verses 21 and 22:.......


The "horn" referred to above comes from the fourth beast, and is seen "making war" with God’s people ("the saints") right until the final judgment at which time "the saints possessed the kingdom," a reference to the Age to Come. But if the fourth beast represents Rome, this prophecy is false, because Rome is not still persecuting Christians.
.... The beast power would be persecuting the people of God until the Lord executes judgment at the end of time, as described in this chapter:

Thrones were set up while I was watching, and the Eternal God took his place. His clothing and his hair were white as snow. His throne was a blazing fire with fiery wheels, and flames were dashing out from all around him. Countless thousands were standing there to serve him. The time of judgment began, and the books were opened. I watched closely to see what would happen to this smaller horn because of the arrogant things it was saying. Then before my very eyes, the fourth beast was killed and its body destroyed by fire. The other three beasts had their authority taken from them…(Dan 7:9-12)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68005608


Daniel 8

Once again, I have to admit I was not in the futuristic camp until I watched this person's video.



It gave me a fresh perspective on Daniel 8.

After I re-read Daniel 8 and re-watched the video - it all made sense (not that I agree with everything in the video.

The goat (entity going to war with Iran), came from the west portion of the whole earth never touching the ground.

If you think about it - warfare in biblical times meant riding in a Chariot or on a horse and had to touch the earth.

Now, we have drones, jets, nuclear weapons, missles you name it to fight a battle with.

Also, Gabriel tells us it is not until the appointed time - the end of days, and Iran will become a great nation.

How does Iran achieve the status of greatness? By obtaining nukes.

We know Iran is almost a nuclear nation and most likely will become one.

At that time - the west will go to war with Iran.

Edward Everett also informs us - Alexander was not the first king.

I checked on this - and it is true.

So I have switched for now to chapter 8 being in the future
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68028399


Daniel 8 cont.

The ram is Iran - and becomes great ( a nuclear power ?):

The goat's lead (USA or ?????) country is destroyed and 4 other countries rise up. The antichrist comes out of one of these 4 countries:

4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.

5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

------

Iran is destroyed by the goat. The goat could be a coalition led by the USA, Nato or EU:

7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.

8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

----------

If you recall - Daniel 7 tells us this little horn (antichrist) arrives on the beast after the 10 kings are established.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49492925


Tying the chapters 7 and 8 together - we are given 2 ways the antichrist arrives on the scene.

Chapter 7 - it's clear he rules the very last kingdom on this earth.

Chapter 8 - he only succeeds in ascending to leader ship after the goats horn is broken into 4 separate entities.

From there both chapters add some detail about the character of this evil person:

------------

Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

23 ..... The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

------------

Daniel 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

24....his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 ...and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68126066


To summarize:

Fourth beast shall:

shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.(Revelation infers the antichrist will head up this effort).

If we extract the antichrists qualities we have in chapter 7 and 8 so far:

shall subdue three kings
shall speak great words against God
shall wear out the saints of the Lord
change times and laws
magnify himself above God
take daily sacrifice away
cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered
by peace shall destroy many

There are other chapters where we learn of the antichrists characteristics, but the
bulk of them come from 7 & 8.
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Daniel 8

Once again, I have to admit I was not in the futuristic camp until I watched this person's video.



It gave me a fresh perspective on Daniel 8.

After I re-read Daniel 8 and re-watched the video - it all made sense (not that I agree with everything in the video.

The goat (entity going to war with Iran), came from the west portion of the whole earth never touching the ground.

If you think about it - warfare in biblical times meant riding in a Chariot or on a horse and had to touch the earth.

Now, we have drones, jets, nuclear weapons, missles you name it to fight a battle with.

Also, Gabriel tells us it is not until the appointed time - the end of days, and Iran will become a great nation.

How does Iran achieve the status of greatness? By obtaining nukes.

We know Iran is almost a nuclear nation and most likely will become one.

At that time - the west will go to war with Iran.

Edward Everett also informs us - Alexander was not the first king.

I checked on this - and it is true.

So I have switched for now to chapter 8 being in the future
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68028399


Daniel 8 cont.

The ram is Iran - and becomes great ( a nuclear power ?):

The goat's lead (USA or ?????) country is destroyed and 4 other countries rise up. The antichrist comes out of one of these 4 countries:

4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.

5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

------

Iran is destroyed by the goat. The goat could be a coalition led by the USA, Nato or EU:

7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.

8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

----------

If you recall - Daniel 7 tells us this little horn (antichrist) arrives on the beast after the 10 kings are established.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49492925


Tying the chapters 7 and 8 together - we are given 2 ways the antichrist arrives on the scene.

Chapter 7 - it's clear he rules the very last kingdom on this earth.

Chapter 8 - he only succeeds in ascending to leader ship after the goats horn is broken into 4 separate entities.

From there both chapters add some detail about the character of this evil person:

------------

Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

23 ..... The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

------------

Daniel 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

24....his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 ...and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68126066


To summarize:

Fourth beast shall:

shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.(Revelation infers the antichrist will head up this effort).

If we extract the antichrists qualities we have in chapter 7 and 8 so far:

shall subdue three kings
shall speak great words against God
shall wear out the saints of the Lord
change times and laws
magnify himself above God
take daily sacrifice away
cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered
by peace shall destroy many

There are other chapters where we learn of the antichrists characteristics, but the
bulk of them come from 7 & 8.
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..the EU will crush, and kill, and destroy nation state democracy...

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Daniel 8

Once again, I have to admit I was not in the futuristic camp until I watched this person's video.



It gave me a fresh perspective on Daniel 8.

After I re-read Daniel 8 and re-watched the video - it all made sense (not that I agree with everything in the video.

The goat (entity going to war with Iran), came from the west portion of the whole earth never touching the ground.

If you think about it - warfare in biblical times meant riding in a Chariot or on a horse and had to touch the earth.

Now, we have drones, jets, nuclear weapons, missles you name it to fight a battle with.

Also, Gabriel tells us it is not until the appointed time - the end of days, and Iran will become a great nation.

How does Iran achieve the status of greatness? By obtaining nukes.

We know Iran is almost a nuclear nation and most likely will become one.

At that time - the west will go to war with Iran.

Edward Everett also informs us - Alexander was not the first king.

I checked on this - and it is true.

So I have switched for now to chapter 8 being in the future
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68028399


Daniel 8 cont.

The ram is Iran - and becomes great ( a nuclear power ?):

The goat's lead (USA or ?????) country is destroyed and 4 other countries rise up. The antichrist comes out of one of these 4 countries:

4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.

5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

------

Iran is destroyed by the goat. The goat could be a coalition led by the USA, Nato or EU:

7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.

8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

----------

If you recall - Daniel 7 tells us this little horn (antichrist) arrives on the beast after the 10 kings are established.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49492925


Tying the chapters 7 and 8 together - we are given 2 ways the antichrist arrives on the scene.

Chapter 7 - it's clear he rules the very last kingdom on this earth.

Chapter 8 - he only succeeds in ascending to leader ship after the goats horn is broken into 4 separate entities.

From there both chapters add some detail about the character of this evil person:

------------

Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

23 ..... The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

------------

Daniel 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

24....his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 ...and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68126066


To summarize:

Fourth beast shall:

shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.(Revelation infers the antichrist will head up this effort).

If we extract the antichrists qualities we have in chapter 7 and 8 so far:

shall subdue three kings
shall speak great words against God
shall wear out the saints of the Lord
change times and laws
magnify himself above God
take daily sacrifice away
cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered
by peace shall destroy many

There are other chapters where we learn of the antichrists characteristics, but the
bulk of them come from 7 & 8.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68126066


Daniel 8 continued:

Gabriel, an angel God sent to Daniel to interpret the vision tells Daniel the vision is for the end of time and gives him a breakdown of the vision. Here is where we get more information on the antichrist:

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

Who are the mighty?

We know who the holy people are i.e. Israel
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Daniel 8 cont.

The ram is Iran - and becomes great ( a nuclear power ?):

The goat's lead (USA or ?????) country is destroyed and 4 other countries rise up. The antichrist comes out of one of these 4 countries:

4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.

5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

------

Iran is destroyed by the goat. The goat could be a coalition led by the USA, Nato or EU:

7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.

8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

----------

If you recall - Daniel 7 tells us this little horn (antichrist) arrives on the beast after the 10 kings are established.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49492925


Tying the chapters 7 and 8 together - we are given 2 ways the antichrist arrives on the scene.

Chapter 7 - it's clear he rules the very last kingdom on this earth.

Chapter 8 - he only succeeds in ascending to leader ship after the goats horn is broken into 4 separate entities.

From there both chapters add some detail about the character of this evil person:

------------

Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

23 ..... The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

------------

Daniel 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

24....his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 ...and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68126066


To summarize:

Fourth beast shall:

shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.(Revelation infers the antichrist will head up this effort).

If we extract the antichrists qualities we have in chapter 7 and 8 so far:

shall subdue three kings
shall speak great words against God
shall wear out the saints of the Lord
change times and laws
magnify himself above God
take daily sacrifice away
cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered
by peace shall destroy many

There are other chapters where we learn of the antichrists characteristics, but the
bulk of them come from 7 & 8.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68126066


Daniel 8 continued:

Gabriel, an angel God sent to Daniel to interpret the vision tells Daniel the vision is for the end of time and gives him a breakdown of the vision. Here is where we get more information on the antichrist:

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

Who are the mighty?

We know who the holy people are i.e. Israel
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68153876


Quote from Passage above: (He) shall destroy the mighty.


Compare James 5 to woman on beast aka mystery babylon (Rev 17 & 18). Are they one and the same, whose destruction causes a worldwide economic collapse:

Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

23....for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries(cdo's, derivatives) were all nations deceived.

Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

The passages here can readily be applied to bankers today:

James 5 King James Version (KJV)

5 Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.

2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.

3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

4 Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.

5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.

6 Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.

------------

James 5 is pretty much saying what Revelation does about the wob

The mighty refers great men of the earth in James 5 and Rev 18.
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In Mathew 24 one of the first things Jesus tells us is not to let anyone deceive us.

He says this before he gives any end times prophecies.

So what would be the purpose of saying this so early in the discourse?


Mathew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 or many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.


There have been deceptive people since the beginning of time.

But there will be the biggest deceiver of all - the antichrist, performing miracles and wonders - so awesome he fools even God's people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67772525


Every time I think of a deception so vast that even the elect can be deceived I think of our medical industry - they certainly promote their miracles and wonders.

I know not a popular opinion :)
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In Mathew 24 one of the first things Jesus tells us is not to let anyone deceive us.

He says this before he gives any end times prophecies.

So what would be the purpose of saying this so early in the discourse?


Mathew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 or many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.


There have been deceptive people since the beginning of time.

But there will be the biggest deceiver of all - the antichrist, performing miracles and wonders - so awesome he fools even God's people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67772525


Every time I think of a deception so vast that even the elect can be deceived I think of our medical industry - they certainly promote their miracles and wonders.

I know not a popular opinion :)
 Quoting: Turtles Voice


Yep - they have created an industry of "illness". Completely wicked.

The antichrist will probably be even more wicked - if one can imagine anything more evil.
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Tying the chapters 7 and 8 together - we are given 2 ways the antichrist arrives on the scene.

Chapter 7 - it's clear he rules the very last kingdom on this earth.

Chapter 8 - he only succeeds in ascending to leader ship after the goats horn is broken into 4 separate entities.

From there both chapters add some detail about the character of this evil person:

------------

Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

23 ..... The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

------------

Daniel 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

24....his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 ...and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68126066


To summarize:

Fourth beast shall:

shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.(Revelation infers the antichrist will head up this effort).

If we extract the antichrists qualities we have in chapter 7 and 8 so far:

shall subdue three kings
shall speak great words against God
shall wear out the saints of the Lord
change times and laws
magnify himself above God
take daily sacrifice away
cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered
by peace shall destroy many

There are other chapters where we learn of the antichrists characteristics, but the
bulk of them come from 7 & 8.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68126066


Daniel 8 continued:

Gabriel, an angel God sent to Daniel to interpret the vision tells Daniel the vision is for the end of time and gives him a breakdown of the vision. Here is where we get more information on the antichrist:

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

Who are the mighty?

We know who the holy people are i.e. Israel
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68153876


Quote from Passage above: (He) shall destroy the mighty.


Compare James 5 to woman on beast aka mystery babylon (Rev 17 & 18). Are they one and the same, whose destruction causes a worldwide economic collapse:

Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

23....for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries(cdo's, derivatives) were all nations deceived.

Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

The passages here can readily be applied to bankers today:

James 5 King James Version (KJV)

5 Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.

2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.

3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

4 Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.

5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.

6 Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.

------------

James 5 is pretty much saying what Revelation does about the wob

The mighty refers great men of the earth in James 5 and Rev 18.
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Notice what it says - you have heaped treasure together for the last days

Clearly, this is the end times.

It is the antichrist who destroys the woman on the beast:

in one hour destruction comes upon you - and a collapse of the entire financial system ensues:

Next verse sounds like 4th seal of Rev 6 - death and famine.

Perhaps her demise kicks of the 4th seal.

With a collapse of the entire world's economys - famine and disease and death would follow:

Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

Worldwide economic collapse commences:

Rev 18:11.....no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing

I covered where the antichrist destroys the woman on the beast starting here in this thread:

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Not only does the destruction of the woman on the beast cause the collapse of the world's economies, but might also be responsible for the mortal wound the beast of Revelation 13 suffers, but is miraculously healed.

Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
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He comes on a cloud...what do all our phones back up to? Been saying this for a while. Thanks! Good job :)
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He comes on a cloud...what do all our phones back up to? Been saying this for a while. Thanks! Good job :)
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Thank you hf
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To summarize:

Fourth beast shall:

shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.(Revelation infers the antichrist will head up this effort).

If we extract the antichrists qualities we have in chapter 7 and 8 so far:

shall subdue three kings
shall speak great words against God
shall wear out the saints of the Lord
change times and laws
magnify himself above God
take daily sacrifice away
cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered
by peace shall destroy many

There are other chapters where we learn of the antichrists characteristics, but the
bulk of them come from 7 & 8.
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Daniel 8 continued:

Gabriel, an angel God sent to Daniel to interpret the vision tells Daniel the vision is for the end of time and gives him a breakdown of the vision. Here is where we get more information on the antichrist:

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

Who are the mighty?

We know who the holy people are i.e. Israel
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Quote from Passage above: (He) shall destroy the mighty.


Compare James 5 to woman on beast aka mystery babylon (Rev 17 & 18). Are they one and the same, whose destruction causes a worldwide economic collapse:

Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

23....for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries(cdo's, derivatives) were all nations deceived.

Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

The passages here can readily be applied to bankers today:

James 5 King James Version (KJV)

5 Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.

2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.

3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

4 Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.

5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.

6 Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.

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James 5 is pretty much saying what Revelation does about the wob

The mighty refers great men of the earth in James 5 and Rev 18.
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Notice what it says - you have heaped treasure together for the last days

Clearly, this is the end times.

It is the antichrist who destroys the woman on the beast:

in one hour destruction comes upon you - and a collapse of the entire financial system ensues:

Next verse sounds like 4th seal of Rev 6 - death and famine.

Perhaps her demise kicks of the 4th seal.

With a collapse of the entire world's economys - famine and disease and death would follow:

Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

Worldwide economic collapse commences:

Rev 18:11.....no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing

I covered where the antichrist destroys the woman on the beast starting here in this thread:

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Daniel 8 continued:

We'll add a few more characteristics to the AC.

fierce countenance, and understands dark sentences (note: will have a working knowledge of the occult).

Shall be great, but not by his own power. hmmmm guess who's power controls him?

Eviland corruption shall prosper under his administration.

Lastly, he will be narcissist.

Daniel 8:16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.......

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
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Daniel 8 continued:

Gabriel, an angel God sent to Daniel to interpret the vision tells Daniel the vision is for the end of time and gives him a breakdown of the vision. Here is where we get more information on the antichrist:

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

Who are the mighty?

We know who the holy people are i.e. Israel
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Quote from Passage above: (He) shall destroy the mighty.


Compare James 5 to woman on beast aka mystery babylon (Rev 17 & 18). Are they one and the same, whose destruction causes a worldwide economic collapse:

Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

23....for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries(cdo's, derivatives) were all nations deceived.

Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

The passages here can readily be applied to bankers today:

James 5 King James Version (KJV)

5 Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.

2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.

3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

4 Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.

5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.

6 Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.

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James 5 is pretty much saying what Revelation does about the wob

The mighty refers great men of the earth in James 5 and Rev 18.
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Notice what it says - you have heaped treasure together for the last days

Clearly, this is the end times.

It is the antichrist who destroys the woman on the beast:

in one hour destruction comes upon you - and a collapse of the entire financial system ensues:

Next verse sounds like 4th seal of Rev 6 - death and famine.

Perhaps her demise kicks of the 4th seal.

With a collapse of the entire world's economys - famine and disease and death would follow:

Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

Worldwide economic collapse commences:

Rev 18:11.....no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing

I covered where the antichrist destroys the woman on the beast starting here in this thread:

Thread: All prophecies the bible says will happen in End Times are happening or almost completed at present (Page 14)
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Daniel 8 continued:

We'll add a few more characteristics to the AC.

fierce countenance, and understands dark sentences (note: will have a working knowledge of the occult).

Shall be great, but not by his own power. hmmmm guess who's power controls him?

Eviland corruption shall prosper under his administration.

Lastly, he will be narcissist.

Daniel 8:16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.......

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
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Daniel 9

In this chapter Daniel realizes that the 70 year prophecy of Jeremiah saying the jews will be allowed to return to Jerusalem is near if they seek out the Lord.

Daniel knows this hasn't taken place and prays to the Lord for the forgiven of the Israelis sins.

God answers his prayers with a vision - called the 70 weeks of Daniel.

This vision is one of the reasons Jesus said to the pharisees if you knew the scriptures you would know who I am.

It tells us precisely to the year Jesus was crucified - "cut off".

Hence - the time frame the messiah would appear.


Daniel once again is blessed to have a visitation by the angel Gabriel to interpret his vision.

But notice what Gabriel's first words are:

Daniel 9:3 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.


What Gabriel is telling Daniel is God heard his prayers from the very start, and God Loves Daniel very much.

We also know God loves us, his children very much, and hears our prayers.
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In Daniel and Jesus' time they didn't even have a match to light a fire - so how are you going to explain tanks, airplanes, jets, drones, nuclear weapons?

When Daniel asked the angel in Dan 12 for a better explanation about end times - the Daniel essentially said - you wouldn't understand (Seal up the words), however, knowledge will increase ... _____________________________________________________________​_______

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Revelation 18 describes an end time civilization nicknamed Babylon that is destroyed by the ''beast'' leader ... in an attack ... by fire ... in one hour (Revelation 17:16-18, Revelation 18). This prophecy would be fulfilled by a nuclear attack. In a nuclear attack hydrogen bombs would fall from the sky to the earth. A hydrogen bomb causes the fusion of 2 hydrogen atom nuclei to create a helium atom, releasing enormous energy - exactly the same nuclear reaction that creates a star. A hydrogen bomb explosion generates a small star. In a nuclear attack, intercontinental ballistic missiles launched into space which then fall and explode will cause small stars to fall from the sky.

In Matthew 24:29 Jesus said that during the end time tribulation, "stars will fall from the sky".
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In Daniel and Jesus' time they didn't even have a match to light a fire - so how are you going to explain tanks, airplanes, jets, drones, nuclear weapons?

When Daniel asked the angel in Dan 12 for a better explanation about end times - the Daniel essentially said - you wouldn't understand (Seal up the words), however, knowledge will increase ... _____________________________________________________________​_______

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Revelation 18 describes an end time civilization nicknamed Babylon that is destroyed by the ''beast'' leader ... in an attack ... by fire ... in one hour (Revelation 17:16-18, Revelation 18). This prophecy would be fulfilled by a nuclear attack. In a nuclear attack hydrogen bombs would fall from the sky to the earth. A hydrogen bomb causes the fusion of 2 hydrogen atom nuclei to create a helium atom, releasing enormous energy - exactly the same nuclear reaction that creates a star. A hydrogen bomb explosion generates a small star. In a nuclear attack, intercontinental ballistic missiles launched into space which then fall and explode will cause small stars to fall from the sky.

In Matthew 24:29 Jesus said that during the end time tribulation, "stars will fall from the sky".
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I don't think it is a literal "one hour" - since we have these examples that can't possibly be accomplished in one hour, or one day.

For instance, the church of Philadelphia will be kept from the great trib - i.e. the hour of temptation which shall come upon all the world. Rev 3:7

Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine;

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Rev 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he....

10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
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Revelation 18 describes an end time civilization nicknamed Babylon that is destroyed by the ''Beast'' leader ... in an attack ... by fire ... in one hour (Revelation 17:16-18, Revelation 18). This prophecy would be fulfilled by a nuclear attack. Babylon is wealthy, hedonistic (pleasure seeking), sexually immoral, the civilization seduces the nations of the world to behave immorally - (people in most nations watch immoral American movies and TV programs), and the civilization is the center for world trade. Jeremiah 51,53 says the culture scales the heavens (travels into space). Jeremiah 51,48 says the attack on the civilization nicknamed Babylon will come from a great nation to the north. Directions in the Bible are generally with respect to Israel. The only great nation to the North of Israel is Russia - and Russia is the only nation in the world capable of destroying America with nuclear weapons "in one hour".

There are too many correlations between this prophecy and America to be coincidence - especially since for the past year Russia has been threatening America with a nuclear attack in retaliation over Ukraine:
[link to www.usatoday.com]
[link to www.breitbart.com]
[link to www.naturalnews.com]
[link to news.sky.com]
By the way, the leader of the great nation to the north of Israel that attacks and destroys end time Babylon is the Beast/Antichrist of Revelation 17:16-18 - and Daniel also says the Beast/Antichrist will come from the north:

Daniel 10:28-31
"The king of the north ... will be set against the holy covenant; ... His forces will rise up and desecrate the temple fortress. They will abolish the daily sacrifice and set up the abomination of desolation."

The Catholic church, the largest Christian denomination in the world and Byzantine Orthodox Christians have churches in Israel and Jerusalem where they offer a "daily sacrifice". They re-enact Jesus Christ's final meal before his crucifixion when he gave bread and wine to his apostles saying, "this is my Body"; "this is my Blood". These are offered daily in there churches as a "sacrifice" to God.

The prophecy that the Beast/Antichrist "will abolish the daily sacrifice" could refer to abolishing the daily sacrifice in these churches.

The other prophecies earlier in this post suggest that the Beast/Antichrist comes from Russia - the "great nation to the north" of Israel. This also correlates with the fact that the former Russian-led Soviet Union was the "evil empire" (nicknamed by president Regan) - and during the 20th century the Russian-led communists abolished the daily sacrifice in all Catholic and Orthodox churches (except for Orthodox churches secretely infiltrated by communists). They killed thousands of Catholic priests and nuns and demolished thousands of churches; and converted other churches for non-religious use. Those churches became "desolate" - devoid of Christian religious activity.

After invading Israel a communist leader from Russia would be expected to do the same thing: "abolish the daily sacrifice" in the Catholic and Orthodox churches; and make them [b/"desolate", devoid, of Christian religious activity. This is more evidence suggesting that the Beast/Antichrist will be from Russia. The present leader of Russia was a high level member of the communist KGB spy agency in the former communist Soviet union. Daniel 8:15-23 says that Antichrist will be a man of "fierce countenance".
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"Be careful that you aren't weighed down with with pleasure seeking, drunkenness, and the cares of this life, or that day will catch you by surprise like a trap. It will come on everyone who dwells on the face of the whole earth. But instead, stay alert and pray always, so that you may be able [one translation says "so that you may be worthy"] to escape all these things."

1 John 4,7-8:
"Let us love one another
because love is of God.
Everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.
Whoever doesn't love doesn't know God,
because God is LOVE."
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Revelation 18 describes an end time civilization nicknamed Babylon that is destroyed by the ''Beast'' leader ... in an attack ... by fire ... in one hour (Revelation 17:16-18, Revelation 18). This prophecy would be fulfilled by a nuclear attack. Babylon is wealthy, hedonistic (pleasure seeking), sexually immoral, the civilization seduces the nations of the world to behave immorally - (people in most nations watch immoral American movies and TV programs), and the civilization is the center for world trade. Jeremiah 51,53 says the culture scales the heavens (travels into space). Jeremiah 51,48 says the attack on the civilization nicknamed Babylon will come from a great nation to the north. Directions in the Bible are generally with respect to Israel. The only great nation to the North of Israel is Russia - and Russia is the only nation in the world capable of destroying America with nuclear weapons "in one hour".

There are too many correlations between this prophecy and America to be coincidence - especially since for the past year Russia has been threatening America with a nuclear attack in retaliation over Ukraine:
[link to www.usatoday.com]
[link to www.breitbart.com]
[link to www.naturalnews.com]
[link to news.sky.com]
By the way, the leader of the great nation to the north of Israel that attacks and destroys end time Babylon is the Beast/Antichrist of Revelation 17:16-18 - and Daniel also says the Beast/Antichrist will come from the north:

Daniel 10:28-31
"The king of the north ... will be set against the holy covenant; ... His forces will rise up and desecrate the temple fortress. They will abolish the daily sacrifice and set up the abomination of desolation."

The Catholic church, the largest Christian denomination in the world and Byzantine Orthodox Christians have churches in Israel and Jerusalem where they offer a "daily sacrifice". They re-enact Jesus Christ's final meal before his crucifixion when he gave bread and wine to his apostles saying, "this is my Body"; "this is my Blood". These are offered daily in there churches as a "sacrifice" to God.

The prophecy that the Beast/Antichrist "will abolish the daily sacrifice" could refer to abolishing the daily sacrifice in these churches.

The other prophecies earlier in this post suggest that the Beast/Antichrist comes from Russia - the "great nation to the north" of Israel. This also correlates with the fact that the former Russian-led Soviet Union was the "evil empire" (nicknamed by president Regan) - and during the 20th century the Russian-led communists abolished the daily sacrifice in all Catholic and Orthodox churches (except for Orthodox churches secretely infiltrated by communists). They killed thousands of Catholic priests and nuns and demolished thousands of churches; and converted other churches for non-religious use. Those churches became "desolate" - devoid of Christian religious activity.

After invading Israel a communist leader from Russia would be expected to do the same thing: "abolish the daily sacrifice" in the Catholic and Orthodox churches; and make them [b/"desolate", devoid, of Christian religious activity. This is more evidence suggesting that the Beast/Antichrist will be from Russia. The present leader of Russia was a high level member of the communist KGB spy agency in the former communist Soviet union. Daniel 8:15-23 says that Antichrist will be a man of "fierce countenance".
View Image ----> [link to content.time.com]

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Jesus -- Luke 21,34-36:
"Be careful that you aren't weighed down with with pleasure seeking, drunkenness, and the cares of this life, or that day will catch you by surprise like a trap. It will come on everyone who dwells on the face of the whole earth. But instead, stay alert and pray always, so that you may be able [one translation says "so that you may be worthy"] to escape all these things."

1 John 4,7-8:
"Let us love one another
because love is of God.
Everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.
Whoever doesn't love doesn't know God,
because God is LOVE."
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Here we have it in one day:

Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine;

This is eerily similar to the 4th seal of Revelation:

Rev 6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

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It takes a lot longer than an hour or day for famine and death to happen.

I think that the antichrist and 10 kings kick off the tribulation when they destroy the woman on the beast or mystery babylon.

I do believe at some point there is a nuclear exchange, but not until the great tribulation - after the antichrist defiles the "holy place", forces everyone to worship him, take the mark of the beast - and then ....

What you are saying is the antichrist is Putin, Russia destroys her...

However, I don't think - at least at this point in time - he is the antichrist.
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After invading Israel a communist leader from Russia would be expected to do the same thing: "abolish the daily sacrifice" in the Catholic and Orthodox churches; and make them "desolate", devoid, of Christian religious activity. This is more evidence suggesting that the Beast/Antichrist will be from Russia. The present leader of Russia was a high level member of the communist KGB spy agency in the former communist Soviet union.
Daniel 8:15-23 says that Antichrist will be a man of "fierce countenance".
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NOTE: Some of Revelation is literal and some is symbolic. In a few places in Revelation 18 says the end time civilization nicknamed Babylon (which correlates closely with America) will be destroyed by fire in a military attack by the Beast/Antichrist (Revelation 17) in "one hour". This includes merchants on ships who watch it burn, and lament that all its riches were destroyed in "one hour". Elsewhere Revelation 18 says that all of Babylon's plagues will come in "one day". Both of these correlate with a nuclear attack.
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After invading Israel a communist leader from Russia would be expected to do the same thing: "abolish the daily sacrifice" in the Catholic and Orthodox churches; and make them "desolate", devoid, of Christian religious activity. This is more evidence suggesting that the Beast/Antichrist will be from Russia. The present leader of Russia was a high level member of the communist KGB spy agency in the former communist Soviet union.
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NOTE: Some of Revelation is literal and some is symbolic. In a few places in Revelation 18 says the end time civilization nicknamed Babylon (which correlates closely with America) will be destroyed by fire in a military attack by the Beast/Antichrist (Revelation 17) in "one hour". This includes merchants on ships who watch it burn, and lament that all its riches were destroyed in "one hour". Elsewhere Revelation 18 says that all of Babylon's plagues will come in "one day". Both of these correlate with a nuclear attack.
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I sincerely don't think we can pick and choose what is symbolic and literal.

I believe Jesus in Revelation when he says all my words are true and faithful; blessed is he that reads, hears and HEEDs the word of this book.

If you think about it - Daniel 7 describes the beast of Revelation i.e. leopard, lion and bear i.e. ?, UK, and Russia.

The leopard is the predominant feature in Rev 13, with the bear being the feet of the beast.

The mouth is the UK - and is the little horn in Daniel 7, or the antichrist.

The feet stomp on the entire earth, devouring it, tramping it down, breaking it in pieces.

This might mean Russia is the military Power.....

The United States was represented in Daniel 7 - but does not comprise part of the beast in Revelation 13.

Perhaps the USA is the false prophet of Revelation 13...who knows?

Time frame. One day - start of tribulation.

Nuclear exchange: One hour - God pours out all his wrath at the very end of the great trib.

Sooooooo - maybe mystery babylon is not completely destroyed all at once.

Could be a military confrontation like WW2 that lasted several years and ended with atomic bomb.
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In Daniel and Jesus' time they didn't even have a match to light a fire - so how are you going to explain tanks, airplanes, jets, drones, nuclear weapons?

When Daniel asked the angel in Dan 12 for a better explanation about end times - the Daniel essentially said - you wouldn't understand (Seal up the words), however, knowledge will increase ... _____________________________________________________________​_______

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Revelation 18 describes an end time civilization nicknamed Babylon that is destroyed by the ''beast'' leader ... in an attack ... by fire ... in one hour (Revelation 17:16-18, Revelation 18). This prophecy would be fulfilled by a nuclear attack. In a nuclear attack hydrogen bombs would fall from the sky to the earth. A hydrogen bomb causes the fusion of 2 hydrogen atom nuclei to create a helium atom, releasing enormous energy - exactly the same nuclear reaction that creates a star. A hydrogen bomb explosion generates a small star. In a nuclear attack, intercontinental ballistic missiles launched into space which then fall and explode will cause small stars to fall from the sky.

In Matthew 24:29 Jesus said that during the end time tribulation, "stars will fall from the sky".
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Along the train of thought that hydrogen nukes are the "stars"... Russia has nuclear tipped missiles that would detonate in the sky to take out the American ICBMs in flight. Perhaps this is it?? A few dozen or hundred hydrogen nukes going off in the sky could appear like mini stars?
The US might even have the same defence. Everybody is nuking the nukes in mid air. That would be quite the show at night.
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In Daniel and Jesus' time they didn't even have a match to light a fire - so how are you going to explain tanks, airplanes, jets, drones, nuclear weapons?

When Daniel asked the angel in Dan 12 for a better explanation about end times - the Daniel essentially said - you wouldn't understand (Seal up the words), however, knowledge will increase ... _____________________________________________________________​_______

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Revelation 18 describes an end time civilization nicknamed Babylon that is destroyed by the ''beast'' leader ... in an attack ... by fire ... in one hour (Revelation 17:16-18, Revelation 18). This prophecy would be fulfilled by a nuclear attack. In a nuclear attack hydrogen bombs would fall from the sky to the earth. A hydrogen bomb causes the fusion of 2 hydrogen atom nuclei to create a helium atom, releasing enormous energy - exactly the same nuclear reaction that creates a star. A hydrogen bomb explosion generates a small star. In a nuclear attack, intercontinental ballistic missiles launched into space which then fall and explode will cause small stars to fall from the sky.

In Matthew 24:29 Jesus said that during the end time tribulation, "stars will fall from the sky".
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Along the train of thought that hydrogen nukes are the "stars"... Russia has nuclear tipped missiles that would detonate in the sky to take out the American ICBMs in flight. Perhaps this is it?? A few dozen or hundred hydrogen nukes going off in the sky could appear like mini stars?
The US might even have the same defence. Everybody is nuking the nukes in mid air. That would be quite the show at night.
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LOL

But who will stay around to watch it :)

All be running for their caves!!
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Along the train of thought that hydrogen nukes are the "stars"... Russia has nuclear tipped missiles that would detonate in the sky to take out the American ICBMs in flight. Perhaps this is it??
A few dozen or hundred hydrogen nukes going off in the sky could appear like mini stars?
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They would appear like "mini stars" if they were far enough away from on observer, except they would be as bright as the sun, and therefore looking at them would burn and destroy tiny portions of the retina in the eyes. If they were very close to an observer they would be as big or much bigger than the sun, and just as bright, and would permanently blind an observer. If they were closer than 20 miles their concussion, heat, and nuclear radiation could be a mortal danger.

A hydrogen bomb nuclear explosion would not only "appear" like a mini star" - it literally IS a mini star.

As described in the original post, a hydrogen bomb explosion causes 2 hydrogen atoms to fuse together to create a helium atom. It fuses the nuclei of the 2 hydrogen atoms together, releasing enormous energy in the process - mainly in the form of light and nuclear radiation. This is EXACTLY the same nuclear fusion reaction that occurs in a star. A star is composed of hydrogen gas that is compressed at such an extremely high pressure that the nuclei of hydrogen atoms fuse to create a helium atom, releasing enormous energy causing the star to shine. A hydrogen bomb explosion is literally a star on a smaller scale. It does not just "appear" to be a star - it IS a star - EXACTLY THE SAME nuclear reaction.

When Jesus said during the end time tribulation, "stars will fall from the sky" he wasn't talking about meteors falling in the sky. Meteors aren't stars - they are rocks or very tiny stones that heat up white hot and burn as they fall through the atmosphere. If Jesus was referring to meteors, he would have perhaps said something like this: "fire and brimstone will fall from the sky" (like what destroyed on Soddom and Gomorrah). But he said, "stars will fall from the sky" - -IMPOSSIBLE -- until almost 2000 years later with the invention of bomber aircraft and missiles that can drop hydrogen bombs from the sky that can explode, creating literal stars falling from the sky.
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Along the train of thought that hydrogen nukes are the "stars"... Russia has nuclear tipped missiles that would detonate in the sky to take out the American ICBMs in flight. Perhaps this is it??
A few dozen or hundred hydrogen nukes going off in the sky could appear like mini stars?
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They would appear like "mini stars" if they were far enough away from on observer, except they would be as bright as the sun, and therefore looking at them would burn and destroy tiny portions of the retina in the eyes. If they were very close to an observer they would be as big or much bigger than the sun, and just as bright, and would permanently blind an observer. If they were closer than 20 miles their concussion, heat, and nuclear radiation could be a mortal danger.

A hydrogen bomb nuclear explosion would not only "appear" like a mini star" - it literally IS a mini star.

As described in the original post, a hydrogen bomb explosion causes 2 hydrogen atoms to fuse together to create a helium atom. It fuses the nuclei of the 2 hydrogen atoms together, releasing enormous energy in the process - mainly in the form of light and nuclear radiation. This is EXACTLY the same nuclear fusion reaction that occurs in a star. A star is composed of hydrogen gas that is compressed at such an extremely high pressure that the nuclei of hydrogen atoms fuse to create a helium atom, releasing enormous energy causing the star to shine. A hydrogen bomb explosion is literally a star on a smaller scale. It does not just "appear" to be a star - it IS a star - EXACTLY THE SAME nuclear reaction.

When Jesus said during the end time tribulation, "stars will fall from the sky" he wasn't talking about meteors falling in the sky. Meteors aren't stars - they are rocks or very tiny stones that heat up white hot and burn as they fall through the atmosphere. If Jesus was referring to meteors, he would have perhaps said something like this: "fire and brimstone will fall from the sky" (like what destroyed on Soddom and Gomorrah). But he said, "stars will fall from the sky" - -IMPOSSIBLE -- until almost 2000 years later with the invention of bomber aircraft and missiles that can drop hydrogen bombs from the sky that can explode, creating literal stars falling from the sky.
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Appears there will be a "little bit" of everything.

An asteroid, nuclear exchange, worldwide economic collapse, famine, pestilence, earthquakes. Burrrr - makes me shutter to think what this world is going to be like.

Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
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Along the train of thought that hydrogen nukes are the "stars"... Russia has nuclear tipped missiles that would detonate in the sky to take out the American ICBMs in flight. Perhaps this is it??
A few dozen or hundred hydrogen nukes going off in the sky could appear like mini stars?
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They would appear like "mini stars" if they were far enough away from on observer, except they would be as bright as the sun, and therefore looking at them would burn and destroy tiny portions of the retina in the eyes. If they were very close to an observer they would be as big or much bigger than the sun, and just as bright, and would permanently blind an observer. If they were closer than 20 miles their concussion, heat, and nuclear radiation could be a mortal danger.

A hydrogen bomb nuclear explosion would not only "appear" like a mini star" - it literally IS a mini star.

As described in the original post, a hydrogen bomb explosion causes 2 hydrogen atoms to fuse together to create a helium atom. It fuses the nuclei of the 2 hydrogen atoms together, releasing enormous energy in the process - mainly in the form of light and nuclear radiation. This is EXACTLY the same nuclear fusion reaction that occurs in a star. A star is composed of hydrogen gas that is compressed at such an extremely high pressure that the nuclei of hydrogen atoms fuse to create a helium atom, releasing enormous energy causing the star to shine. A hydrogen bomb explosion is literally a star on a smaller scale. It does not just "appear" to be a star - it IS a star - EXACTLY THE SAME nuclear reaction.

When Jesus said during the end time tribulation, "stars will fall from the sky" he wasn't talking about meteors falling in the sky. Meteors aren't stars - they are rocks or very tiny stones that heat up white hot and burn as they fall through the atmosphere. If Jesus was referring to meteors, he would have perhaps said something like this: "fire and brimstone will fall from the sky" (like what destroyed on Soddom and Gomorrah). But he said, "stars will fall from the sky" - -IMPOSSIBLE -- until almost 2000 years later with the invention of bomber aircraft and missiles that can drop hydrogen bombs from the sky that can explode, creating literal stars falling from the sky.
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Appears there will be a "little bit" of everything.

An asteroid, nuclear exchange, worldwide economic collapse, famine, pestilence, earthquakes. Burrrr - makes me shutter to think what this world is going to be like.

Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
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Here's one best fits asteroid:

Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

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The spectacle that confronted Kulik as he stood on a ridge overlooking the devastated area was overwhelming. To the explorers' surprise, no crater was to be found. There was instead around ground zero a vast zone (8 kilometres [5.0 mi] across) of trees scorched and devoid of branches, but standing upright. The trees farther away had been partly scorched and knocked down in a direction away from the centre

Selected eyewitness reports
The Southern swamp—the epicentre of the Tunguska explosion—in 2008

Testimony of S. Semenov, as recorded by Leonid Kulik's expedition in 1930:[17]

At breakfast time I was sitting by the house at Vanavara Trading Post [65 kilometres/40 miles south of the explosion], facing north. [...] I suddenly saw that directly to the north, over Onkoul's Tunguska Road, the sky split in two and fire appeared high and wide over the forest [as Semenov showed, about 50 degrees up—expedition note]. The split in the sky grew larger, and the entire northern side was covered with fire. At that moment I became so hot that I couldn't bear it, as if my shirt was on fire; from the northern side, where the fire was, came strong heat. I wanted to tear off my shirt and throw it down, but then the sky shut closed, and a strong thump sounded, and I was thrown a few metres. I lost my senses for a moment, but then my wife ran out and led me to the house. After that such noise came, as if rocks were falling or cannons were firing, the earth shook, and when I was on the ground, I pressed my head down, fearing rocks would smash it. When the sky opened up, hot wind raced between the houses, like from cannons, which left traces in the ground like pathways, and it damaged some crops. Later we saw that many windows were shattered, and in the barn a part of the iron lock snapped.

Testimony of Chuchan of Shanyagir tribe, as recorded by I. M. Suslov in 1926:[18]

We had a hut by the river with my brother Chekaren. We were sleeping. Suddenly we both woke up at the same time. Somebody shoved us. We heard whistling and felt strong wind. Chekaren said, 'Can you hear all those birds flying overhead?' We were both in the hut, couldn't see what was going on outside. Suddenly, I got shoved again, this time so hard I fell into the fire. I got scared. Chekaren got scared too. We started crying out for father, mother, brother, but no one answered. There was noise beyond the hut, we could hear trees falling down. Chekaren and I got out of our sleeping bags and wanted to run out, but then the thunder struck. This was the first thunder. The Earth began to move and rock, wind hit our hut and knocked it over. My body was pushed down by sticks, but my head was in the clear. Then I saw a wonder: trees were falling, the branches were on fire, it became mighty bright, how can I say this, as if there was a second sun, my eyes were hurting, I even closed them. It was like what the Russians call lightning. And immediately there was a loud thunderclap. This was the second thunder. The morning was sunny, there were no clouds, our Sun was shining brightly as usual, and suddenly there came a second one!

Chekaren and I had some difficulty getting out from under the remains of our hut. Then we saw that above, but in a different place, there was another flash, and loud thunder came. This was the third thunder strike. Wind came again, knocked us off our feet, struck against the fallen trees.

We looked at the fallen trees, watched the tree tops get snapped off, watched the fires. Suddenly Chekaren yelled "Look up" and pointed with his hand. I looked there and saw another flash, and it made another thunder. But the noise was less than before. This was the fourth strike, like normal thunder.

Now I remember well there was also one more thunder strike, but it was small, and somewhere far away, where the Sun goes to sleep.

Krasnoyaretz newspaper, July 13, 1908:[21]

Kezhemskoe village. On the 17th an unusual atmospheric event was observed. At 7:43 the noise akin to a strong wind was heard. Immediately afterwards a horrific thump sounded, followed by an earthquake that literally shook the buildings, as if they were hit by a large log or a heavy rock. The first thump was followed by a second, and then a third. Then the interval between the first and the third thumps were accompanied by an unusual underground rattle, similar to a railway upon which dozens of trains are travelling at the same time. Afterwards for 5 to 6 minutes an exact likeness of artillery fire was heard: 50 to 60 salvoes in short, equal intervals, which got progressively weaker. After 1.5–2 minutes after one of the "barrages" six more thumps were heard, like cannon firing, but individual, loud and accompanied by tremors.


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