Everytime I go to a christian chat room: I get banned [Does God decieve satan ?]

Isaiah 66

4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.


2 Thessalonians 2

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:


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Does this mean that God is decieving these people ?

yes or no

When God gave satan 'permission' to attack Job


Was satan fully aware of the results ?


Satan was hoping that Job would curse God

Job did not


Was satan aware that the end result of all of this was that the Book of Job would be written, helping millions of christians getting closer to God ? (by the reading of the Book of Job)


Was satan fully aware of this ?


Is it not satan's goal to bring people farther away from God (and not closer to Him) ?


Why would satan participate in any activity that the end result would be that it would bring people closer to God ?


Was satan fully aware of this ?


Did God 'decieve' satan ? (in the Book of Job)

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Just curious...do your bible pages get all sticky from all this thumpin ???





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... maybe you might need to be born yet again then... or... did they happen to maybe mention one of them secret handshake thingies?

Can God decieve satan without lieing

We all know that God cannot lie

Gos is the Almighty

Can God decieve satan by withholding information ?

Satan challenged God that Job would curse Him if he took His hedge of protection away from Him. Satan thought that Job would give in and curse God but he underestimated Job's faith. Satan actually thought he could win but didn't, he still thinks he is going to win but will not.

God is not the deceiver, satan is. you are confused my freind. God is all knowing, satan is not. God will take a bad situation and turn it into a bleesing for His ultimate will.

Don't make things up OP. As long as your asking honest questions and are engaging sincerely, no one will ban you. Get out of your head and into your heart more. Just my two cents worth...

satan was hoping that Job would curse God

Job did not curse God

So since satan was hoping that he would, I do not think that satan knew what the end result would be

But God did

If satan did not know what the end result would be, than it is possible that he also did not know that the Book of Job would be written (to help many christians get closer to God)

So satan's participation in this activity has brought many christians closer to God and has helped their walk with God (by reading the Book of Job)

So did God decieve satan ? (by withholding information - of what the end result would be)

Oh, yes he can, and did.

God deceitfully manuevered Abrahm/Abraham into an attempt to sacrifice his son.

This also proves god is not omnipotent/all-knowing.

God also threatened to destroy all life on Earth, but then found favor with Noah, according to the Hebrew version of the Deluge. If god was omnipotent, he should have known he would used Noah.

God also made a covenant with Noah not to destroy mankind, yet, we have all of this crap in Relevations destroying mankind and the Earth, so obviously god lied to Noah.

As far being banned from so-called christian chat rooms (What would Jesus do?), here's a short story that should shed some light:


Patient: Doctor, doctor, look! It hurts everytime I stick my finger in my eye.

Doctor: Then don't stick your finger in your eye.

God is good

satan is evil


I agree

God said that he would never destroy the earth again without water

But the 2nd time He will destroy the earth will be with fire


This thread is for christians only

Not for you atheists nor God haters

2 Thessalonians 2

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

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These people whom this verse is referring to:

Is God decieving these people ?



yes or no ?

Isaiah 66

4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

God sends delusion to people

Does that mean that God decieves them ?

actually no. Because God just lets the people's own idols in their hearts bear its fruit, instead of intervening to deliver them from it, since when He calls, they dont answer.

and as for Jacob, God's divine will could have found another way for Jacob to get the inheritance, since later, didnt Israel cross his arms when he blessed Joseph's sons?

hope this helps

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
(Isaiah 45:7)

it took me years before I heard and understood the major lesson of the book of Job. God allowed Satan to persecute Job to further purify Job. Job was righteous before God except for one thing; Job was a WORRY WART. Job 'feared' that because things were so good in his life, that something would go wrong. The thing that he feared the most came upon him. So, Job himself opened the door for satan to get a foothold in his life, through Job's worry. But God, wanted Job to get even more righteous and get what Job believed in, which was that Job believed in the resurrection of the dead.

so, maybe the reason that satan could not attack Job over Job's own worries, was that God was protecting Job with God's FAVOR; what is called a hedge in the bible. Once God removed that favor then satan had a right to act on Job's fear/worry.

It is beneficial that we pray for one another so that people get God's favor.

yeah this where God talking about queers burnibg in hell. let them believe it's ok to be gay and then poof, hell fire .

The OP makes a legitimate gripe about getting banned from christian chats and forums. many of them are guarded by religious spirits that will not allow people to question anything.

OP you are better off banned from such a place, and you can even consider it God's will; shake the dust off your feet and come on over to GLP. you might get more flak from people who do not believe, but you wont be banned for asking faith stretching questions and you will meet other believers here who will engage you in conversation with love.

God showed me this:

Job's 3 friends accused Job of not being right with God

God became very angry at Job's 3 friends because of that

We christians must be very careful, in accusing another christian of not being right with God (over minor doctrinal disputes)

many people do not understand God's omniscience as in the bible where it says God knows the end from the beginning.

There are two major facets to this understanding. One is that God gets whatever He needs at all times. The other is, He has the power to send a message back in time to Himself, if He so chooses.



okay, lets look at it. When Abraham went to sacrifice Isaac, God got what He needed, which was complete obedience by faith from Abraham, AND the animal stuck in the bush to take isaac's place. It is not so much that God KNEW ahead of time that this would happen, but that God is perfect faith and knows He will get what He needs. The example of Abraham being willing to sacrifice the promised child speaks of God sacrificing His own son. In other words, if a MAN, being imperfect, would sacrifice his own son for faith in HEARING God's voice, then God can do no less to save all mankind.

the other thing is, that it is not that God sits in the spirit realm KNOWING constantly all that is happening every where in every time; what a abyssmal consciousness THAT would be. No, it is more like God's personal awareness flits about to each event or time as NEEDED according to His own perfection. It is like the difference between having a power to do something, and exercising that power. If God needed to tell Himself something thats happening NOW and send the message back to the future; well then, nothing is impossible with God, so He can do it, by FAITH alone, only because He NEEDS to.

For most things, I suspect He does not need to know the future at all, and its definately something He wants to teach us for ourselves about Himself, because we will be living like this also. All that we need to know comes to us as we go about our daily living; this is how it will be in the Kingdom

I am really into the Kingdom of God, so I talk to Him about it alot, and He teaches me about Himself and what it will be like.

okay.. so to recap.. here is how it probably happened with Abraham. God got a thought in His heart, oh, ask Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. So, God asked Him.

can you see the difference?

God is just living as Himself. Whatever comes to Him to do, say, think, is totally natural and He just does it, not worrying or fearing or even wondering how it will turn out. He just Is.

giggle. you cant limit threads on GLP to christians only, nor would you really want to. You need the buffeting by unbelievers, and it helps them too.

Trust God. In the Our Father, He says to say lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. So He wont let you be deceived, if you trust Him, and then if YOU do mess up, He will deliver you and you will learn a lesson and be stronger for it.

God does not worry.

get a life!

no

the people already have the idols in their heart and are drawing that fruit to themselves by their own faith.

for example, people who believe aliens will come to earth, throw out pres bush and his gang and setup the nesara debt relief program and end all wars bringing peace to earth.

So. God will kick the DUMB-aliens out of the second heaven down to earth, and they will attempt their scam

Altho I was in Christ the whole time, I hung out with new agers for 10 years, and before God moved me away, I did believe in the nesara scam. He delivered me from the delusion. Why? Because I wanted to obey His spirit. but what about the many months that I was deceived?

During that time I was learning other things that I needed to fullfill my work with God, such as teaching about the rebellion in the second heaven.

And, I can only talk about these deeper mysteries of faith and God here on GLP, and certainly NOT on any christian forums.

Here is something else to chew on. More new agers believe in a new earth than most christians. More new agers pray for, ask for light for manifesting the new earth. They are making it happen. but if you ask most christians to help manifest this will of God for the new earth, they would ban you and blaspheme you.

go figure

exactly. and that is where the religious spirit comes in and lords it over unsuspecting christians who make their own rules of righteousness over themselves instead of living by the spirit.

God deceive satan? Lucifer made a choice in trying to "take over" the throne, so to speak.

2 different subjects.

And as far as sending delusions, outside of Jobs testing, any parent would know if a child keeps asking for certain things that are not good for them, at times the parent has to let them experience it to learn better.



Plus, i think sending a delusion would be more like a test.

Mongrel goat was trying to tell people that God lies.

Uses trickery, maybe.

Lies for personal gain.

No.

Sure maybe God manipulates situations for the benefit of man.

Like the Abraham story that mongre goat said that God lied.

God may have manipulated Abraham to get him to perform the sacrifice.

What was this about?

Getting Abraham to kill his son?

No, Abraham's willingness to ACTUALLY follow through with the sacrfice of his son, was a demonstration of his dedication to God, faith.....and...a foreshadowing of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

And of course the angel stopped the sacrifice.