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Are the roaches scurrying off the sinking ship?

Key Reagan advisor Hon. Paul Roberts:

"Gullible Americans have been duped by the 9/11 Hoax... Wise up -- the world is laughing at you."

Who is Paul Craig Roberts?

Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy under Ronald Reagan (awarded the Treasury Department's

Meritorious Service Award for "his outstanding contributions to the formulation of United States economic policy.")

Senior Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and Research Fellow at the Independent Institute.

Former editor and columnist for The Wall Street Journal and columnist for Business Week and the Scripps Howard News Service

Held the William E. Simon Chair in Political Economy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (1982 -1993)

Distinguished Fellow at the Cato Institute from 1993 to 1996

Olin Fellow at the Institute for Political Economy

Nationally syndicated columnist for Investor's Business Daily

Winner of the 1992 Warren Brookes Award for Excellence in Journalism

Ranked "One of the top seven journalists" by the Forbes Media Guide (1993)

Author of, The Tyranny of Good Intentions, and Marx's Theory of Exchange, Alienation and Crisis

Dr. Roberts was educated at the Georgia Institute of Technology ( B.S.), the University of Virginia (Ph.D.), the

University of California at Berkeley and Oxford University where he was a member of Merton College.

He is listed in Who's Who in America, Who's Who in the World , The Dictionary of International Biography,

Outstanding People of the Twentieth Century, and 1000 Leaders of World Influence.


Could anyone in their right mind consider this man a crackpot "conspiracy theorist"?

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Gullible Americans

By Paul Craig Roberts
Information Clearing House
08/14/06


I was in China when a July Harris Poll reported that 50 percent of Americans still believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when Bush invaded that country, and that 64 percent of Americans still believe that Saddam Hussein had strong links with Al Qaeda.

The Chinese leaders and intellectuals with whom I was meeting were incredulous. How could a majority of the population in an allegedly free country with an allegedly free press be so totally misinformed?

The only answer I could give the Chinese is that Americans would have been the perfect population for Mao and the Gang of Four, because Americans believe anything their government tells them.

Americans never check any facts. Who do you know, for example, who has even read the Report of the 9/11 Commission, much less checked the alleged facts reported in that document. I can answer for you. You don't know anyone who has read the report or checked the facts.

The two co-chairmen of the 9/11 Commission Report, Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, have just released a new book, "Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission." Kean and Hamilton reveal that the commission suppressed the fact that Muslim ire toward the US is due to US support for Israel's persecution and dispossession of the Palestinians, not to our "freedom and democracy" as Bush propagandistically claims. Kean and Hamilton also reveal that the US military committed perjury and lied about its failure to intercept the hijacked airliners. The commission even debated referring the military's lies to the Justice Department for criminal investigation. Why should we assume that these admissions are the only coverups and lies in the 9/11 Commission Report?

How do you know that 9/11 was a Muslim terrorist plot? How do you know that THREE World Trade Center buildings collapsed because TWO were hit by airliners? You only "know" because the government gave you the explanation of what you saw on TV. (Did you even know that three WTC buildings collapsed?)

I still remember the enlightenment I experienced as a student in Russian Studies when I learned that the Czarist secret police would set off bombs and then blame those whom they wanted to arrest.

When Hitler seized dictatorial power in 1933, he told the Germans that his new powers were made necessary by a communist terrorist attack on the Reichstag. When Hitler started World War II by invading Poland, he told the Germans that Poland had crossed the frontier and attacked Germany.

Governments lie all the time--especially governments staffed by neoconservatives whose intellectual godfather, Leo Strauss, taught them that it is permissible to deceive the public in order to achieve their agenda.

Some readers will write to me to say that they saw a TV documentary or read a magazine article verifying the government's explanation of 9/11. But, of course, these Americans did not check the facts either--and neither did the people who made the documentary and wrote the magazine article.

Scientists and engineers, such as Clemson University Professor of Engineering Dr. Judy Woods and BYU Professor of Physics Dr. Steven Jones, have raised compelling questions about the official account of the collapse of the three WTC buildings. The basic problem for the government's account is that the buildings are known to have fallen at freefall speed, a fact that is inconsistent with the government's "pancaking" theory in which debris from above collapsed the floors below. If the buildings actually "pancaked," then each floor below would have offered resistance to the floors above, and the elapsed time would have been much longer. These experts have also calculated that the buildings did not have sufficient gravitational energy to accommodate the government's theory of the collapse. It is certainly a known and non-controversial fact among physicists and engineers that the only way buildings can collapse at freefall speed into their own footprints is by engineered demolition . Explosives are used to remove the support of floors below before the debris from above arrives. Otherwise, resistance is encountered and the time required for fall increases. Engineered demolition also explains the symmetrical collapse of the buildings into their own foot prints. As it is otherwise improbable for every point in floors below to weaken uniformly, "pancaking" would result in asymmetrical collapse as some elements of the floor would give sooner than others.

Scientific evidence is a tough thing for the American public to handle, and the government knows it. The government can rely on people dismissing things that they cannot understand as "conspiracy theory." But if you are inclined to try to make up your own mind, you can find Dr. Jones' and Dr. Woods' papers, which have been formally presented to their peers at scientific meetings, on line at [link to www.st911.org]

Experts have also pointed out that the buildings' massive steel skeletons comprised a massive heat sink that wicked away the heat from the limited, short-lived fires, thus preventing a heat buildup. Experts also point out that the short-lived, scattered, low-intensity fires could barely reach half the melting point of steel even if they burned all day instead of merely an hour .

Don't ask me to tell you what happened on 9/11. All I know is that the official account of the buildings' collapse is improbable.

Now we are being told another improbable tale. Muslim terrorists in London and Pakistan were caught plotting to commit mass murder by smuggling bottles of explosive liquids on board airliners in hand luggage. Baby formula, shampoo and water bottles allegedly contained the tools of suicide bombers.

How do we know about this plot? Well, the police learned it from an "Islamic militant arrested near the Afghan-Pakistan border several weeks ago." And how did someone so far away know what British-born people in London were plotting?

Do you really believe that Western and Israeli intelligence services, which were too incompetent to prevent the 9/11 attack, can uncover a London plot by capturing a person on the Afghan border in Pakistan? Why would "an Islamic militant" rat on such a plot even if he knew of it?

More probable explanations of the "plot" are readily available. According to the August 11 Wayne Madsen Report, informed sources in the UK report that "the Tony Blair government, under siege by a Labor Party revolt, cleverly cooked up a new 'terror' scare to avert the public's eyes away from Blair's increasing political woes. British law enforcement, neocon and intelligence operatives in the US, Israel, and Britain, and Rupert Murdoch's global media empire cooked up the terrorist plot, liberally borrowing from the failed 1995 'Oplan Bjinka' plot by Pakistan- and Philippines-based terrorist Ramzi Ahmad Yousef to crash 11 trans-Pacific airliners bound from Asia to the US."

There are other plausible explanations. For example, our puppet in Pakistan decided to arrest some people who were a threat to him. With Bush's commitment to "building democracy in the Middle East," our puppet can't arrest his political enemies without cause, so he lays the blame on a plot.

Any testimony against Muslim plotters by "an Islamic militant" is certain to have been bought and paid for.

Or consider this explanation. Under the Nuremberg standard, Bush and Blair are war criminals. Bush is so worried that he will be held accountable that he has sent his attorney general to consult with the Republican Congress to work out legislation to protect Bush retroactively from his violations of the Geneva Conventions .

Tony Blair is in more danger of finding himself in the dock. Britain is signatory to a treaty that, if justice is done, will place Blair before the International Criminal Court in the Hague.

What better justification for the two war criminals' illegal actions than the need to foil dastardly plots by Muslims recruited in sting operations by Western intelligence services? The more Bush and Blair can convince their publics that terrorist danger abounds, the less likely Bush and Blair are ever to be held accountable for their crimes.

But surely, some readers might object, our great moral leaders wouldn't do something political like that!

They most certainly would. As Joshua Micah Marshall wrote in the July 7 issue of Time magazine, the suspicion is "quite reasonable" that "the Bush Administration orchestrates its terror alerts and arrests to goose the GOP's poll numbers."

Joshua Micah Marshall proves his conclusion by examining the barrage of color-coded terror alerts, none of which were real, and, yes, it all fits with political needs.

And don't forget the plot unearthed in Miami to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago. Described by Vice President Cheney as a "very real threat," the plot turned out to be nothing more than a few harmless whackos recruited by an FBI agent sent out to organize a sting.

There was also the "foiled plot" to blow up the Holland Tunnel and flood downtown New York City with sea water. Thinking New Orleans, the FBI invented this plot without realizing that New York City is above sea level. Of course, most Americans didn't realize it either.

For six years the Bush regime has been able to count on the ignorant and naive American public to believe whatever tale that is told them. American gullibility has yet to fail the Bush regime.

The government has an endless number of conspiracy theories, but only people who question the government's conspiracies are derided for "having a conspiracy theory."

The implication is even worse if we assume that the explosive bottle plot is genuine. It means that America and Britain by their own aggression in Iraq and Afghanistan, and by enabling Israel's war crimes in Palestine and Lebanon, have created such hatred that Muslims, who identify with Bush's, Blair's, and Israel's victims, are plotting retaliation.

But Bush is prepared. He has taught his untutored public that "they hate us for our freedom and democracy."

Gentle reader, wise up. The entire world is laughing at you.
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Quite tragic how an entire country of 300,000,000 people could be so fooled and continue to be duped by the very same con artists 5 years later.

By their very actions of not demanding a conplete and through investigtion into the circumstances surrounding what really went down on 9/11 they are allowing the destruction of their own country and the rest of the free world.
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i believe the combined stupidity of this once great nation is the 8th "wonder" of the world
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bump
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I would hate to be on the wrong side of history when the real truth about what happened on 9/11 is exposed. And I mean the real story that does not involve 19 Muslims hijacking planes masterminded by the "guy in the cave".

The players in the government that were responsible should all get the death penalty.

Those in the MSM that were complicit with the government should ALL be thrown in jail for life. This includes all newscasters, journalists and management that failed to do their jobs.

I would hope people would forgive those sheeple that believed the "official" conspiracy theory. They will have to live with their ignorance for the rest of their lives.

sheep sheep sheeplebah
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Read Barry Zwicker's new book, "Towers of Deception" and you will get a better understanding why 50% of the American sheeple still think that Iraq was somehow involved with 9/11 and why the government is still getting away with the 9/11 coverup.

"the psychological warfare experts who designed the operation (9/11) knew very well that the events of 9/11 left us (the American public) radically open to suggestion - to mass hypnosis. Our old world had been annihilated, and we were ready to be hypnotized, and to have a new world created for us. The psywar planners had a complete narrative - the official 9/11 story - prepared, to explain everything....."
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...and those who believe the lies without checking facts for themselves are to be pitied, AND taken advantage of.
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executed, then pitied
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executed, then pitied
 Quoting: shibumi2





1rof1

yeppers
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

Israel's Mossad

"The truth shall set you free."

U.S. Central Intelligence Agency Motto
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I would very much like some proof, not some proffesor who offers an opinion that the steel skeleton would transfer heat.

I have watched every collapse movie I could find, and one thing I find interesting about the "short lived fire theory" (which I think is bullshit) is at some angels, when the south tower collapsed, you can actually see a good chunk of the burning building empty out. It sorta reminded me of burning coals in a weber grill. There had to be a good 10-20 story high section of burning debris I saw pouring out of the building.

That combined with the unique stresses a 110 story building must endure plus the fact that a very heavy aircraft rammed into it going very fast-kinetic enegy- I can buy that the building collapsed on their own.

I keep an open mind. I have been to all the conspiracy 9/11 pages, and I have yet seen anything that makes me change my mind.

Building 7? Yeah, that is unusual. It smells more of silversteen insurance fraud, taking advantage of the situation at hand, more than mass murder. Was anyone killed when 7 came down?
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What do you expect? A recent poll showed that more Americans could name the three stooges than the three branches of Government.

People get the government they deserve.
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Actually the Islamist captured in Pakistan, Rashid Rauf, is an English citizen and one of the main perps in this plot. Thats why he knew so much.
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Building 7? Yeah, that is unusual. It smells more of silversteen insurance fraud, taking advantage of the situation at hand, more than mass murder. Was anyone killed when 7 came down?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3638



Care to elaborate?
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Building 7? Yeah, that is unusual. It smells more of silversteen insurance fraud, taking advantage of the situation at hand, more than mass murder. Was anyone killed when 7 came down?
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So.... Silverstein somehow rigged WTC 7 for controlled demolition the day of 9/11 after WTC 1 and 2 came down? Wow. That IS a conspiracy theory!
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I would very much like some proof, not some proffesor who offers an opinion that the steel skeleton would transfer heat.

I have watched every collapse movie I could find, and one thing I find interesting about the "short lived fire theory" (which I think is bullshit) is at some angels, when the south tower collapsed, you can actually see a good chunk of the burning building empty out. It sorta reminded me of burning coals in a weber grill. There had to be a good 10-20 story high section of burning debris I saw pouring out of the building.

That combined with the unique stresses a 110 story building must endure plus the fact that a very heavy aircraft rammed into it going very fast-kinetic enegy- I can buy that the building collapsed on their own.

I keep an open mind. I have been to all the conspiracy 9/11 pages, and I have yet seen anything that makes me change my mind.

Building 7? Yeah, that is unusual. It smells more of silversteen insurance fraud, taking advantage of the situation at hand, more than mass murder. Was anyone killed when 7 came down?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3638


YOU ARE SO TRANSPARENT. Your handlers need to train you better. No one's buying the gee-whiz-I'm-a-regular-fella-who-isn't-convinced routine.

baby
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How long would it take to rig explosives at key central supports? I have no idea. All I am saying, in all the 9/11 stuff I have seen, building 7 is the biggest question mark in my mind. It did not get hit by jets. It was a good distance away from the towers and then you have silversteen's comments himself that say they made a decision to "pull it".
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How long would it take to rig explosives at key central supports? I have no idea. All I am saying, in all the 9/11 stuff I have seen, building 7 is the biggest question mark in my mind. It did not get hit by jets. It was a good distance away from the towers and then you have silversteen's comments himself that say they made a decision to "pull it".
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Okay, then shouldn't that convince you that perhaps the official story is full of holes. Do you think they make up only 1 lie? And demolishing a building is one hell of a lie. And yes, I'm sure it takes several hours, at least, to get a 47 story building ready for demolition. So use your brain with the rest of it. Why hold back? Probably because you know that when the truth sinks in your whole world view will be radically altered.
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How long would it take to rig explosives at key central supports? I have no idea. All I am saying, in all the 9/11 stuff I have seen, building 7 is the biggest question mark in my mind. It did not get hit by jets. It was a good distance away from the towers and then you have silversteen's comments himself that say they made a decision to "pull it".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3638


It would take longer than 8 hours... so not a possibility. However, it is quite possible that all three towers were rigged for CD prior to 9/11. The video evidence shows that it was indeed a CD in all three towers. Since you mentioned you have read the conspiracy sites, I trust you have visited st911.org and read the Steven Jones article regarding thermate evidence, as well as David Ray Griffin's article on how the buildings fell. No, there is not conclusive proof that all three towers were brought down by CD. That is why a new INDEPENDENT investigation of the events of 9/11 is needed. WAY too many unanswered questions that the 9/11 Commission Report did not address. (i.e. why did WTC 7 collapse?)
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We KNOW!

Why do you think those pigs keep trying to ban the internet. They can't keep anything mum. Not like this. Besides, they did a piss poor job. The way the state run propaganda is over playing their hand of late makes it more OBVIOUS.
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i think this thread should be pinned as reference material for anyone still promoting the 'myth'

its beyond a joke now, your jobs are nearly over ... thats what they meant by a new age!

pro-liars with avested interest in destroying mankind/humanity

shame forever on your souls shills
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Gentle reader, wise up. The entire world is laughing at you.
 Quoting: shibumi2


Now this is a fact! lmao
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The problem isn't the elite who deceive us... that is to be expected. The real problem are the sheeple who either stand by and do nothing or the braindead who actively back the tyranny foisted upon us. Many of both types post here at GLP.
Our battle field is the mind, our weapon is truth and our shields are honor and courage.
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The problem isn't the elite who deceive us... that is to be expected. The real problem are the sheeple who either stand by and do nothing or the braindead who actively back the tyranny foisted upon us. Many of both types post here at GLP.
 Quoting: Enlightened George


a change is happening

the signal to noise ratio is favouring the brave i feel

you can feel the hate and fear in the shills posts, they are really frightened, either of accepting black is actually black, or that their paycheck will stop when this shennanigans is over and real americans lock them up for the traitors they are
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ahhh
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Since 1913, almost every US dollar created has benefitted those who own the federal reserve banks. They have used their profits to control many things, including the mass media. There is no free press in the US.
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Pin this shit and get rid of the falsely vortex found crap. bump
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if the tower were brought down with CD, wht bother with airplanes? Everyone knows about 93. How hard is it to get a truck in there to off load some new "servers" that happened to be packed full of symtex? The public would buy that and your body count would have been much higher.
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If you believe the World Trade Center had "additional" help being brought down....watch this video!

9/11 Controlled Demolitions of September 11, 2001

[link to video.google.com]

Absolutely awesome video!

agent
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that does not prove a thing
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3638 is an obvious shill pretending to be a moron. He concedes Building 7 because we have definitive proof.
I wish it were true, but I see no evidence that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Mossad, and Dov Zakheim will be sentenced to death for their crimes against the American, Iraqi, and Afghan people.
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if the tower were brought down with CD, wht bother with airplanes? Everyone knows about 93. How hard is it to get a truck in there to off load some new "servers" that happened to be packed full of symtex? The public would buy that and your body count would have been much higher.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3638


The planes (which were flown by wire with Boeing technology) were flown into WTC as a "cover" and "diversion" from the detonation of the many cutter charges. While you were looking up at the top of the towers, explosions were going on in the sub-basements of both towers. While you were watching the towers falling, cutter charges were going off about 20 stories below the explosive discharge above. When the dust got so think, you couldn't see the remaining detonations to take the towers completely to dust-bits and molten steel.

Steve Jones, PhD, a well-respected physicist, has found actual physical evidence for thermate, used to cut the steel of the towers to shreds, in the once-molten debris steel.

Either we are Aristotelians and "SCIENCE" means something... or ... we're Platoists and reality is an illusion on the wall of the cave in the Republic.

Which is it, shills?

Aristotle, or, Plato?