Sunday Sabbath Contradictions

How is that well spoken?

Hear O Heavens
Hear O Earth
HEAR O ISRAEL AND JUDAH

Since when does the literal heavens and earth, hear?

For assuredly I say to you, UNTIL heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law UNTIL is fulfilled.

THOSE WHO ARE IN CHRIST - THE ISRAEL OF GOD
THOSE WHO ARE IN CHRIST - THE NEW CREATION

Those who do not do the will of the One True God = the lawlessness
I will have mercy, not sacrifice.
Sacrifice is of the law.

How then can you say "well said" to the response above for that entire response is refuted in the gospel as given to us.

Grafted into "the commonwealth of Israel?"?
The "commonwealth of Israel" is not the root.

Christ - The Israel of God.

John 5
16So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

The GOD OF ALL GRACE BE WITH YOU.

Jesus - born OF WOMAN, born UNDER THE LAW, to REDEEM THOSE UNDER THE LAW.

The Law is found in the Sermon on the Mount.

A new better prophet brings a new set of law.

The prophet Moses was prophet to the children of Israel.

Jesus the Christ is a prophet to all mankind.

The Law of Moses was given to the children of Israel, those being the great grand children and great great grand children of the man named Jacob/Israel. That law was not given to any other tribes of mankind.

THe Law of Christ is given to all mankind.

And what are the commandments that Jesus the Christ commanded those who followed him to do in obedience?

Again look at the Sermon on the Mount.

This is a sign of the end times as outlined in 2 Timothy 3. You are NOT alone.

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

As for the Sabbath being on Saturday, this has never changed. Only man himself has sought to change it, which was never given unto him the authority to do. Christ
himself kept the seventh day Sabbath given to us in Genesis. This is what defines who you are. It is commanded and the commandments are still in effect today as they were when given.

Matthew 5:17-20
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Christ took away the need for the levitical priesthood and the sacrifice of animals. This is the only thing that changed. He became the ultimate sacrifice once for all mankind. The only thing he did away with was the levitical priesthood because it was imperfect. He being perfect, became our only intercessor.

26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people's, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever. (Hebrews 7:26-28)

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You shall have no other gods before Me.
You shall not make idols.
You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Honor your father and your mother.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet.


So here is the question , do we obey only some of these??

Obedience to God begins with accepting the Ten Commandments as the permanent standard for our values and behavior. But our obedience must extend beyond just keeping the Ten Commandments.

Jesus also said: "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill [from the Greek pleroo, meaning to 'fill to the full']. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled [from a different Greek word, ginomai, used in the sense of 'come to pass'].
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The heaven and earth passed.
Until....until.

Yeshua is Adonai HaShabbat, He set that day apart from the beginning, He created the Heavens and Earth they are the work of His Hands....

The Sabbath represents the Millennial Kingdom

6 days, six thousand years of the Kingdoms of this world

The Seventh Day ~ The Kingdom of God on Earth, Thy Kingdom Come fulfilled, where the greatest shall reign as priest with Him...not the least Hosea 4:6

Blessed and Holy is the One who is in the First Resurrection

after the thousand years are finished the rest of the dead are resurrected.

The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath...this has never changed except in christendom

YESHUA kept the Sabbath, How can you walk as He walk if you do not?

That's because the Church came before the bible. The bible was not composed in it's canonized state until nearly three hundred years later. The bible clearly states that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth 1timothy3:15. This is a matter that the Church that Christ founded is to decide. "I will give you the keys of Heaven. Whichever you bind on earth are bound in Heaven...

The Law defines sin. Without the law there is no sin without sin there is no need for grace. Hence, depart from me all your workers of lawlessness.

Do we depart from the Law? No we establish it. It's not the hearers of the law that are justified , but the doers.

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Without the law, there is no transgression. Sin WAS in the world before the law was given but it was not credited to our accounts.

And why do those who want to place themselves under the law always quote "it's not the hearers of the law that are justified, but the doers" and yet remain ignorant that that verse is in an argument being builded up and they refuse to follow the argument to its conclusion?

If NONE OF YOU DOES THE LAW

We have a problem.

Simply put, if we can't obey the law, then we are not Christians.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

The relationship between Jesus and His saints is very deep. We are in Christ, and Christ is in us. Christ and His Father are one, and we too are to become one with Christ and the Father.

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

John 14:20-21 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Christ was obedient to the 10 Commandments. Any failure to obey any commandment falls upon us. Christ's strength and grace are sufficient to work in us obedience. It is Christ in us being obedient. Those who fail to keep the law, fail to do so because of their own selves. If they do not trust Christ, that He is Saviour, that He saves them not only from death, but from sin (being freed from sin), then there is no strength to obey. Christ lives within us. And if such is so, which is true, then we obey the law, because Christ in us obeys that law.

Keep my commandments.
Once again, people repeat these verses and substitute the law through MOSES as the commandments instead of the commandments that Jesus Christ gives us in the same passages. This, despite MOSES proclaiming that God would raise up a prophet and that we were to HEAR HIM. Every last person who keeps giving these verses "Keep the commandmrnts" are not hearing CHRIST and disobeying even what was written in the law.

"CHRIST was obedient to the 10 Commandments. Any failure to obey any commandment falls upon us. Christ's strength and grace are sufficient to work in us obedience. It is Christ in us being obedient. Those who fail to keep the law, fail to do so because of their own selves. If they do not trust Christ, that He is Saviour, that He saves them not only from death, but from sin (being freed from sin), then there is no strength to obey. Christ lives within us. And if such is so, which is true, then we obey the law, because Christ in us obey"

Christ was not obedient to the 10 commandments, he was obedient unto the Father, the One True God.
In whom is no darkness, ONLY LIGHT AND GOOD.
In whom is declared "The righteous will live BY FAITH " and " The law IS NOT OF FAITH."

Follow the SPIRIT.
Let the Spirit make the tree good and it bears good fruit!
Christ working in us.

First off, it is not the "law through MOSES" that we are placing there. It is the commandments of God. This is a Biblical fact I urge you to study and take into consideration. Moses himself said:

Deuteronomy 4:13-14 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. 14 And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.

Speaking of God, Moses said that God gave unto them the ten commandments. Speaking of the statutes and judgments, Moses was the one who taught them of them. The Ten Commandments were written by the finger of God, upon two tables of stone. The law which is called "The Law of Moses" was written within a book by Moses. This is a simple fact that cannot be ignored. One was written by God, even spoken directly by God to the Israelites. The other was written by Moses, spoken directly by Moses. It is thus that the book of the law was given the name the law of Moses.

Deuteronomy 31:24-26 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, 25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, 26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

Joshua 1:8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

Joshua 8:31 As Moses the servant of the LORD commanded the children of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of whole stones, over which no man hath lift up any iron: and they offered thereon burnt offerings unto the LORD, and sacrificed peace offerings.

Only the book of the law was given the name "the law of Moses". It was not the Tables of Testimony written with the finger of God that were given that name. This is essential to understand, for if we do not, we make erroneous assumptions, like that the Tables of Testimony are considered the law of Moses, which through rightly dividing the Word of God, we find that they are not. They are not the same thing.

Now, further in the prophets we read:

Jeremiah 31:31-34 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

The LORD declared that in this new covenant, He would write His law upon our hearts, and in our inward parts. What law is this that God would put in our inward parts, and in our hearts?

2 Corinthians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

What was it that was written in our very hearts? It was the law, which this time around, was not written in tables of stone, but in the fleshly tables of the heart!

2 Corinthians 3:7-8 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

And so, let us give John 14:15 a closer look. We already established that Christ is in the Father, and the Father was in Christ, and was in Christ while Christ walked this earth.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Where does this echo from?

Exodus 20:4-6 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Did you read verse six? Do not the Father and Jesus bestow mercy upon us? And whom are they that can receive the mercy? Are they not the ones who do exactly as Jesus said, they who love God, and keep His commandments? Jesus wasn't stating anything new, but repeating that which was spoken centuries ago! And yet we know, that the Father was speaking through Jesus. Obedience to the 10 Commandments of God were clearly stated and shown by the life and words of Jesus Christ. It is not by disobedience that we obtain mercy, but it is by love and obedience that they obtain mercy.



Whose commandments were they that Jesus was obedient to? The Pharisees? Saducees? Again I state, "Obedience to the 10 Commandments of God were clearly stated and shown by the life and words of Jesus Christ." They are the 10 Commandments of God. It makes no sense to separate God's commandments, and Himself, as if obeying His Commandments do not equate to obeying Him. Jesus obeyed His Father's commandments.

John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

What is a commandment of Christ? (a, because there are others, like the Last Supper).

John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

In John 14:15 the love of God is already addressed, in obeying His Commandments. Here is addressed the love of man. How do we love one another?

Romans 13:8-10 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

We love one another by keeping the commandments. There is no mistake here that Paul specifically pointed to the law written with the Finger of God. Love is the keeping the the law. Those who have the law written in their very hearts, obey the law from the inside out. They refuse to murder in their hearts, which leads to their outward love for man. They refuse to covet and steal in their hearts, and thus reveal their outward love for man. They refuse to lie, and cheat in their hearts, which thus again is revealed in their outward love for man.

What is love? Love is "the fulfilling of the law." Love for God by obeying every single one of His Commandments, and love for man by again, obeying God's Commandments, specifically of the last six. Love is "the fulfilling of the law."

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You who want to be under the law, do you not hear WHAT THE LAW SAYS?
For it is written - ABRAHAM HAD TWO SONS.

You say you want to be under "the law", yet you do not even hear what "the law" says. Why do you ignore the rest of "the law"?

You write:
"What is love? Love is "the fulfilling of the law." Love for God by obeying every single one of His Commandments, and love for man by again, obeying God's Commandments, specifically of the last six. Love is "the fulfilling of the law."

You have it backwards. LOVE DOES NO HARM.
LOVE, God is LOVE, does not ever need Do Not Steal, Do Not Covet, Do Not Commit Idolatry....because Love cannot bear such fruit.
Make the tree good and it's fruit is good.

Love IS the fulfilment of the law.

2 Corinthians 3:7-8 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

You who want to be under the law, do you not hear what the law says?

The ten commandments was the old covenant.
Only one thing in the Bible is actually identified as the actual covenant itself: The Ten Commandments.
The Ten commandments are the Sinai covenant, The old Testament, the first testament!

Heb 8:13 When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete.

LOL, not one of the words of God will be ever obsolete.

BTW, the OT is about the Levitical law mainly. While the NT is about the Melchizedek order primarily. They do not contradict each other.
How could you have known without knowing the Bible!

Your argument is not with me, but with the Holy Spirit which inspired the writings. The Law was given UNTIL the promised seed should come, and that seed WAS CHRIST. Those in CHRIST are not under law but under grace. You hear that it is to endure for all generations, yet refuse to acknowledge that we have "the generations of Adam" and "the generation of CHRIST"! That those in CHRIST are the new creation. And that all in Adam die. This is why you are not addressing the point made - that the one thing identified as the covenant with Israel is the Ten Commandments. Once you do acknowledge it, Hebrews 8:13 must fall on you like a ton of bricks. Like the apostles, you exclaim how then can anyone be saved?

love IS THE FULLFILLMENT of the law.
One who loves does not steal, does not murder, does not covet etc because a tree made good bears good fruit. SO, the law written in hearts is LOVE.
God IS love. And so the tree bears HIS fruit when we walk by the Spirit.

"Think not that I have come to destroy the Torah and the prophets; I have not come to destroy but to fulfill.
For verily I say unto you, UNTIL heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, UNTIL all be fulfilled."

That is conditional.
Until one thing happens, the other will not happen.

Now, I am well aware that popular prophecy teaches that our literal earth and happens will burn in a giant fireball, but such deadly poison is a hypnotic spell which gets us to overlook the FACT that

Those in Christ ARE THE NEW CREATION.
IF they are the new creation, then the Heavens and earth HAVE PASSED AWAY.

I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the host of heaven standing around him on his right and on his left. 20And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’
“One suggested this, and another that. 21Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’
22“‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.
“‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.
“‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’
23“So now the Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you.” 1 Kings 22

Make yourself clear.
Who do you sit and accuse of being a liar?

but isn't the Jewish Sabbath on friday?

isn't friday the sixth day?

In American times, yes, Friday is the sixth day. Days were not always counted midnight to midnight, as we do now.

All the arguing in the world will not nullify God's precepts. Each and every single precept exists still to this day.

1) Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.


2) 1 John 5:21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.


3) James 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.


4) Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest (rest: sabbatismos - a keeping Sabbath) to the people of God.


5) Ephesians 6:1-3 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. 2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise;) 3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.


6) 1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.


7) Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.


8) Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.


9) John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

10) 1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

Those who say we do not have to keep the commandments, are you sure? Are you willing to take the only chance you have on that? Think about that, and please don't answer rashly, but really consider what you are saying. Based off the Scriptures, every commandment is still shown to be in existence, and a requirement for the Christian. Every single one. So then, can the true Christian break those commandments, and still be considered a saint?

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

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